Jeb Bush: GOP nominee should be willing to lose the primary to win the general election

[bendog]

Someone should point out that if the primary is lost, the loser never gets to the general election. Unless he thinks that his new pro Hispanic direction will be a bold move that will end up with him winning the primary. He should run with that one. It will be a good test as to whether or not a candidate can win without the base.

Candidates, both Republicans and Democrats will say whatever is necessary to win the primaries which means pandering to the base. Then when they get nominated, they have to soften the message and carefully reverse themselves on some issues to get support from independents and the opposition. That's just how the game is played. You can spot the losers by how deep the holes they dig for themselves in the primaries.

True, but Jeb's saying that if a goper panders to the base, he strays so far into bizarro land that he cannot portray himself as a serious candidate to a majority of voters. And, unless the gop changes, that's about the size of the problem. We can hope that Hillary will be less inclined, and able, to govern without compromising with the saner elements of the gop. The premise of the founders being essentially that nobody is 100% or 100% wrong, and finding a consensus eliminates much of the false assumptions in any issue.

 

[Flopper]

Jeb Bush doesn't stand a snow balls chance in hell of seeing the white house.

If the republican party thinks they have a shot at the presidency, they're going to have to run someone like Ted Cruz, or Rand Paul, or Scott Walker.

The country has Bush and Clinton fatigue.

It would be hard for Jeb Bush to overcome the legacy of his brother.

 

[Flopper]

Bush is laying his cards on the table regarding immigration reform and is daring the rightwing of his party to do something about it

It is NOT immigration reform. It is AMNESTY designed to keep the D party in power. Even a fool can see that....which makes you less than a fool.

Yea, yea......Amnesty, illegals voting, disease, plague

We have heard all the rightwing fear mongering

The gop won't even pass a bill allowing people to stay here without any path to citizenship, but just permanent legal status for people who've lived and worked here for years, and raised families. It's not about a lot of new Dem voters.

Yes, they might be able to agree on that. However, legal status is the first step to citizenship. It would be left to another congress to define the next step.

 

[bendog]

Bush is laying his cards on the table regarding immigration reform and is daring the rightwing of his party to do something about it

It is NOT immigration reform. It is AMNESTY designed to keep the D party in power. Even a fool can see that....which makes you less than a fool.

Yea, yea......Amnesty, illegals voting, disease, plague

We have heard all the rightwing fear mongering

The gop won't even pass a bill allowing people to stay here without any path to citizenship, but just permanent legal status for people who've lived and worked here for years, and raised families. It's not about a lot of new Dem voters.

Yes, they might be able to agree on that. However, legal status is the first step to citizenship. It would be left to another congress to define the next step.

No the gop cannot pass anything that allows illegal aliens to stay. That enrages the rabid right voters, and the gop lacks the stones to stand up to their very right base. That is the problem. No compromise is possible, and that's why Obama dropped the rock on them. And that's not that I'm happy Obama went the EO route, but it was that or let the gop kick this can down the road to 2016, and try to avoid it as an issue in 2016. Obama teed it up for the first hole for the dem nominee to take a whack at.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

For a GOP presidential nominee to have any chance to win in the General Election, he'll need to lose most – if not all – of the primaries in the South and Mountain West; he'll need to make it clear he supports a woman's right to privacy, the right of same-sex couples to marry, and he'll need to support comprehensive immigration reform.

By 2016 the American people are not going to vote for a social conservative republican presidential candidate who represents the ignorant, hateful, and divisive agenda of the extreme right.

 

[g5000]

Bush is laying his cards on the table regarding immigration reform and is daring the rightwing of his party to do something about it

It is NOT immigration reform. It is AMNESTY designed to keep the D party in power. Even a fool can see that....which makes you less than a fool.

Boy are you going to be shocked when the Republican Congress passes amnesty legislation. The GOP leadership has been putting on a theater for you rubes and you totally bought it.

 

[g5000]

Republicans are a lot closer to Democrats on immigration than they will admit. Their real hang up is what to do with the 11 million undocumented in the US. They know they can't deport them but it will be almost impossible to get their base to accept a path to citizenship.

Actually, a majority of Republicans support amnesty, so you are wrong there. It is only a small minority who are opposed to it, and the GOP has let itself be held hostage to them.

80 percent of Americans want amnesty for the illegals. The GOP has to put on a show for the rubes first, though, before they pass amnesty legislation.

 

[rightwinger]

Bush is laying his cards on the table regarding immigration reform and is daring the rightwing of his party to do something about it

It is NOT immigration reform. It is AMNESTY designed to keep the D party in power. Even a fool can see that....which makes you less than a fool.

Yea, yea......Amnesty, illegals voting, disease, plague

We have heard all the rightwing fear mongering

The gop won't even pass a bill allowing people to stay here without any path to citizenship, but just permanent legal status for people who've lived and worked here for years, and raised families. It's not about a lot of new Dem voters.

Immigration is a third rail with GOP base

They won't touch it

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yeah, we tried Dem-Lite in 08 and 12 and lost bad to a gay, radical Muslim

 

[g5000]

Immigration is a third rail with GOP base

Not true. President Bush pushed for immigration reform, but was blocked by the fringes.

I guarantee you the GOP Congress will pass amnesty legislation before 2016.

 

[g5000]

Yeah, we tried Dem-Lite in 08 and 12 and lost bad to a gay, radical Muslim

Yeah, go with that. Keep telling yourself that the GOP wasn't extreme enough and that's why they lost the election.

 

[bendog]

Republicans are a lot closer to Democrats on immigration than they will admit. Their real hang up is what to do with the 11 million undocumented in the US. They know they can't deport them but it will be almost impossible to get their base to accept a path to citizenship.

Actually, a majority of Republicans support amnesty, so you are wrong there. It is only a small minority who are opposed to it, and the GOP has let itself be held hostage to them.

80 percent of Americans want amnesty for the illegals. The GOP has to put on a show for the rubes first, though, before they pass amnesty legislation.

Imo, "the plan" was to do tax reform, make inroads with the deficit, make a lot of defense noise, get a keystone deal (esp now that tar sands are not economically advantageous) and make a lot of immigration noise ... but then in the spring of 2016 say "wellllllll, we'll wait to see what out platform and nominee say ..... but we'll probably support some amnesty version." And then the nominee can say "I loves me some Latinas. But we need a comprehensive bill that will have to wait till I'm elected."

 

[deltex1]

You should love Jeb. He is an ardent and ignorant big gov progressive....just like you.

I like Jeb. He has political guts and would have made a better President than his brother

You mean he would have killed more muzzies? If that were so, I would agree with you.

 

[PredFan]

Someone should point out that if the primary is lost, the loser never gets to the general election. Unless he thinks that his new pro Hispanic direction will be a bold move that will end up with him winning the primary. He should run with that one. It will be a good test as to whether or not a candidate can win without the base.

Good Ole Jeb, he's not the sharpest tool in the shed is he?

 

[rightwinger]

Immigration is a third rail with GOP base

Not true. President Bush pushed for immigration reform, but was blocked by the fringes.

I guarantee you the GOP Congress will pass amnesty legislation before 2016.

They will pass more fences on the border and pass it off as immigration reform

 

[rightwinger]

You should love Jeb. He is an ardent and ignorant big gov progressive....just like you.

I like Jeb. He has political guts and would have made a better President than his brother

You mean he would have killed more muzzies? If that were so, I would agree with you.

Actually, I doubt if Jeb would have gotten us in to Iraq

 

[Dana7360]

Jeb is a big gubmint lib RINO commie who hates America.

There is only one true patriot America needs!

Patriots of America don't hold citizenship with two nations.

cruz is a citizen of Canada and America. If he was a REAL patriot he would have citizenship to ONE nation.

 

[Dana7360]

Jeb Bush GOP Nominee Should Be Willing to Lose the Primary to Win the General - NBC News

"I kinda know how a Republican can win, whether it's me or somebody else -- and it has to be much more uplifting, much more positive, much more wiling to be, 'lose the primary to win the general' without violating your principles. It's not an easy task, to be honest with you."
Bush also said the incoming GOP Congress needs "to actually show in an adult like way that we can govern. Lead."
Seib followed up to Bush's comments about the primary, asking: "Are the things that you need to do to win a Republican nomination contrary to the things you need to do to win a general election?"
Bush shot back: "Well, frankly, no one really knows that because it hasn't been tried recently."
It was a veiled shot at former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who tacked hard right on issues like immigration to get through the 2012 presidential primary

Wow another stupid bush. What is with george and barbara? Why did they raise such stupid children?

My question to the bush boy, if you lose the primary how are you going to be on the ballot in the general election? The person who wins the primary gets on the November ballot. Not the loser.

I sure hope that the gop doesn't nominate another bush. Our nation won't be able to withstand anther bush who destroys our economy and nation again.

He will not win all the primaries by supporting immigration reform. But who will?
Let Cruz, Paul, Carson. Perry all stand on blocking any attempt at reform. They can split the vote in Red States
Bush can take Florida and California with his pro immigration reform platform. Should be enough to win the nomination

He has to win the primary to get the nomination. He's saying that he can lose the primary and get the nomination. Which makes no sense to anyone who knows how our system works.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yeah, we tried Dem-Lite in 08 and 12 and lost bad to a gay, radical Muslim

Yeah, go with that. Keep telling yourself that the GOP wasn't extreme enough and that's why they lost the election.

We weren't moderate enough, right? McCain was a radical! We need to be more like Obama, right Jake?

Here's the pattern the past 4 elections: moderate dem-lites lose, tea party win record breaking victories.

What does this pattern tell you for 2016?

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[rightwinger]

Jeb Bush GOP Nominee Should Be Willing to Lose the Primary to Win the General - NBC News

"I kinda know how a Republican can win, whether it's me or somebody else -- and it has to be much more uplifting, much more positive, much more wiling to be, 'lose the primary to win the general' without violating your principles. It's not an easy task, to be honest with you."
Bush also said the incoming GOP Congress needs "to actually show in an adult like way that we can govern. Lead."
Seib followed up to Bush's comments about the primary, asking: "Are the things that you need to do to win a Republican nomination contrary to the things you need to do to win a general election?"
Bush shot back: "Well, frankly, no one really knows that because it hasn't been tried recently."
It was a veiled shot at former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who tacked hard right on issues like immigration to get through the 2012 presidential primary

Wow another stupid bush. What is with george and barbara? Why did they raise such stupid children?

My question to the bush boy, if you lose the primary how are you going to be on the ballot in the general election? The person who wins the primary gets on the November ballot. Not the loser.

I sure hope that the gop doesn't nominate another bush. Our nation won't be able to withstand anther bush who destroys our economy and nation again.

He will not win all the primaries by supporting immigration reform. But who will?
Let Cruz, Paul, Carson. Perry all stand on blocking any attempt at reform. They can split the vote in Red States
Bush can take Florida and California with his pro immigration reform platform. Should be enough to win the nomination

He has to win the primary to get the nomination. He's saying that he can lose the primary and get the nomination. Which makes no sense to anyone who knows how our system works.

Like the hunters trying to outrun the bear, they don't have to outrun the bear, only outrun the other hunters
Bush has to perform better than the other Republicans to win. Doesn't mean you win every race