Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
Even with the inconvenience the jewish people suffered in europe during Hitlers rule.News Flash: he is dead.Has he asked for forgivesness?
But still, shouldn't he be forgiven by the jewish people?? ..
No. Why?
That's true, but in most cases, not all. When you're harmed forgivness is needed to find inner peace. But when the same person keeps harming you over and over, and not only doesn't feel sorrow, but is at times even overjoyed, then forgivness can also be translated into weakness.
The idea of Slichot is that each person achnoledges(sp?) his or her wrong doing, and tells God, "Even if I do not remember all my wrong doings, I take responsibility for them", it's a starting point that makes it much easier to forgive.
that would NOT be the case that the sin is made in malice
The first question is ask myself is how much power over me to I want to give these people? The second question is how effective do I want to be in finding the solution to ending what these people wish to do to me? I hold on to their hate then I am helping them in their quest to destroy or and what I am.
That is true, but when does forgivness mean you drop your guard?
Even with the inconvenience the jewish people suffered in europe during Hitlers rule.News Flash: he is dead.
But still, shouldn't he be forgiven by the jewish people?? ..
No. Why?
They did end up with their own country and a booming economy.
So shouldn't Hitler be forgiven; ...... because the jews actually came out better than they had for centuries. ..
According to the OP's hebrew video cartoon.
You are to forgive with No preconditions. ..
You missed something very important in the animation.
The person asked to be forgiven.
You don't have to forgive someone who doesn't want to be forgiven.
Also the nazis can't ask for forgiveness from the people they murdered.
There are two kinds of sins in Judaism.
1) Sins against G-D
2) Sins against your fellow man
Sins against G-D you can ask forgiveness directly to G-D.
Sins against your fellow man you have to first get forgiveness from the person you sinned against.
Also, you need to sincerely mean it and committ to not doing it again.
Mike, I need to ask you a question. I do know in my own book - new testament - Jesus said that if your brother sins against you AND asks for your forgiveness than you must forgive them ( even if they do it again - and come to you again asking forgiveness 7 x 70s times! ) but I do not find that he said forgive them if they didn't ask for it, yet in the Lords prayer it says I'll be forgiven as I forgive others. So that is something that is a mystery to me. What I decided upon was I would do it whether they asked for it or not and so far it has turned out pretty well except that my heart still hurts at times over the fact they never have apologised or changed. - Jeri.
I agree with this statement, to place conditions is to damned into eternal resentment and angst.
That's true, but in most cases, not all. When you're harmed forgivness is needed to find inner peace. But when the same person keeps harming you over and over, and not only doesn't feel sorrow, but is at times even overjoyed, then forgivness can also be translated into weakness.
The idea of Slichot is that each person achnoledges(sp?) his or her wrong doing, and tells God, "Even if I do not remember all my wrong doings, I take responsibility for them", it's a starting point that makes it much easier to forgive.
that would NOT be the case that the sin is made in malice
I do understand what you are saying and there are those types of individuals in my life through extended family - which I try to avoid so they have no further chance to cause me harm. I'm polite but I keep my distance... then there are some situations that cannot be avoided also, Lipush.
Let me tell you this story. ( true story ) Many years ago I was at a family gathering in another city and the person who had been responsible for the harm done to me as a child, they got drunk and needed a ride home. My husband and I drove them to their home and on the way they said they had to tell me something. (I won't say how I was related to them as it isn't important and I have no desire to identify who it was publicly ) This person broke down in many tears and told me how sorry they were for what they had done to me. In that moment I felt frozen like a deer caught in the headlights. I wasn't prepared for it at all.
The only way I can describe the feeling - would be to recount the story of Corrie Ten Boom when she was ministering in a church in Germany about her time in the concentration camps. Corrie's family rescued Jews and hid them to protect them from the nazis. She was a christian. Anyhow, Corrie says a nazi who had been the one who murdered her sister and tortured her also - came up to her at the end of the service and extended his hand and said can you forgive me?
Corrie said she was frozen and said a prayer in her heart and asked G-d for the grace to forgive this man. She said somehow her hand extended to his and she looked into his eyes and said I forgive you. She never saw the man again. So I did what Corrie did and I am glad I did. I'm also grateful that I had read her book, The Hiding Place, many years prior to that encounter as she proved what was possible with G-ds help.
In my own case I did see this family member again, they didn't ask me to forgive them but they did cry that night and said what they had done to me was awful. I did tell them that I loved them and that G-d loved them and that they needed to forgive themself over it. I still have times that memories come back and I feel very sad but truthfully if I say I feel as if it never happened like Mike said in step 3? I don't think I've reached that yet. But they haven't ever done anything else to me and when I am required to see them ( which is very rare ) I do my best to try to be polite and kind to that individual. I hope that helps someone here to understand that sometimes our tormentors do carry tremendous guilt over the things they have done in the past to us. They just might not ever tell you about it. On the other hand, maybe they will some day. That is the day you need to be ready for!
p.s. forgiveness comes in layers. It takes time like Connery said.. and sometimes when it feels just impossible - you ask G-d to do it through you. With G-d all things are possible.
p.s.s. before I turned my life over to G-d I was a drug addict. I think I was a drug addict because I was trying to kill myself. Unforgiveness is like drinking poison while hoping the other person dies. Literally.
- Jeri
Even with the inconvenience the jewish people suffered in europe during Hitlers rule.News Flash: he is dead.
But still, shouldn't he be forgiven by the jewish people?? ..
No. Why?
They did end up with their own country and a booming economy.
So shouldn't Hitler be forgiven; ...... because the jews actually came out better than they had for centuries. ..
I didn't tell that share that story to gossip about any person in my family - extended family - to be clear with you guys. I only shared it to let you know anything is possible. You never know who is out there and needs to hear that someone else became a drug addict over damages done to them and then overcame it all by coming to G-d. If it helps someone? Then I am willing to pour myself out. To the last drop! It's better than the alternative..
- Jeri
Even with the inconvenience the jewish people suffered in europe during Hitlers rule.No. Why?
They did end up with their own country and a booming economy.
So shouldn't Hitler be forgiven; ...... because the jews actually came out better than they had for centuries. ..
"inconvenience ?"
Even with the inconvenience the jewish people suffered in europe during Hitlers rule.No. Why?
They did end up with their own country and a booming economy.
So shouldn't Hitler be forgiven; ...... because the jews actually came out better than they had for centuries. ..
Six milion, 1/3 or the jewish people were murdered. That is not coming out better.
If Hitler was alive and got forgiveness for every person he sinned against, and they forgave him, and then if he went before G-D, and asked forgiveness and he got it, he may have been forgotten.
However, since that didn't happen, he can't be forgiven. The people he mass murdered are dead. They aren't alive to forgive him even if they want to.
As I said in judaism if you sin against a person, you first have to get forgiveness from that person first, before going before G-D and asking forgiveness.
Even with the inconvenience the jewish people suffered in europe during Hitlers rule.News Flash: he is dead.
But still, shouldn't he be forgiven by the jewish people?? ..
No. Why?
They did end up with their own country and a booming economy.
So shouldn't Hitler be forgiven; ...... because the jews actually came out better than they had for centuries. ..
Landlord (Theme: Forgiveness) - Jewish Food For Thought, The Animated Series, by Hanan Harchol - YouTube
This is the start of "Selichot" & Repent from Sin. Watch this wonderful little cartoon video about the difficulty of forgiveness from someone who has done wrong against you and the ability to overcome it.
Shalom.
You really can't be 100% sure of that Jeremiah.I believe Hitler is in hell,
You really can't be 100% sure of that Jeremiah.I believe Hitler is in hell,
Because according to Christian theology; if Hitler in his last dying breath accepted Jesus as his Lord and Savior.
Then all his sins were forgiven and he went straight to heaven. ..
[/QUOTE]
