Jimmy Carter: "Leave Gay Marriage To States To Decide" (Right On Jimmy!)

[kaz]

Jimmy Carter is wrong and the big government RWs are wrong.

Government does not belong in our private lives any more than religion does.

You mean except for telling us what wages we can work for, what health care we can buy, that we have to buy health care, who can represent us in court, who can treat us for illness, who can cut our hair and our toenails, who can decorate our house, who can wire our house, how much cash we can deposit in our bank without government checking it out and they can waive our Constitutional rights in collecting taxes.

But other than that ... government does not belong in our private lives." LOL. Right.

well said and right on

Liberals talking about government staying out of our lives is just comical. And look what he's arguing. If gays can't go to government, demand recognition of their union and validation of their screwing their own sex and tax breaks and other perks, then government isn't leaving them alone. Government leaving them alone isn't government leaving them alone, government giving them things because they demand it is leaving them alone. Government not paying for your birth control and abortions is government prohibiting you from getting birth control and abortions. Only from the mouth of a liberal. They are not logical, they are not bright.

 

[Redfish]

You got it completely backwards. Your private lives don't belong in the public arena any more than your religion does. They most certainly don't belong disenfranchising the votes of tens of millions of people.

You admit that "your private lives" is what this is all about. Not a state of being, but what you DO in private. This would be the first time in US history where an incomplete group of behaviors thoroughly repugnant to the majority dictated to the majority. In the interest of equality, what set of behaviors equally repugnant could we arbitrarily deny? And why? Because the majority disagrees with them?

Nice to see the democrats beat the sleeping GOP strategists to the punch. Now if the GOP exploits one of the largest hidden vote reserves in the country, it will look like at least one prominent democrat agrees. It has watered down that impact.

The solution would be to put people like Pelosi on the spot. But neither she nor any of the other high officers of the cult will consent to an interview at the 11th hour. Time to dig out the old footage. Or just keep listening to Carl Rove... God this feels like 2012 all over again.

I remember a time when a black man and a white woman holding hands was repugnant to a large percentage of Americans. They even used to lynch a black man for doing it
Doesn't mean our government should enforce it just because you find it to be "yucky"

race and sexual orientation are two different things. continuing to try to make them analogous makes you and wytchey look like fools.

Let me ask you, is it OK for someone to think that racial mixing is wrong? Are people allowed to hold that belief? Racial mixing is found repugnant by members of all races. It is not discrimination or bias, its just what they believe.

Do you want the government dictating what you are allowed to believe? Before you answer, remember, someday soon conservatives may control the governement, do you want them dictating what you are allowed to believe?

They are still relationships that you find to be "yucky" and expect the government to stop

It is perfectly acceptable for you to find race mixing to be unacceptable. If you do, that should be a consideration in YOUR choice of spouse. What is unacceptable is for you to force the government to accept your bigotry and force it on others

Damn, but you are thick headed. I don't find race mixing unacceptable, but many others do. You want to punish them for those thoughts because like all liberals, you know what everyone else must think and believe. YOU are the intolerant one in this debate.

The bigotry in the gay agenda is coming from the gays and gay supporters. YOU want the government to mandate how the rest of the citizens feel about it. That is the very definition of bigotry.

BTW, when to you put on your Jake Snarkey hat? Is it at noon?

Nobody is forcing them to race mix or marry someone of the same sex......that is their choice

We are stopping them from denying that choice to others

Pay attention, thats not the issue. You want the government to punish anyone who does not think that race mixing or gay marriage are right for society. YOU want to punish them for their thoughts. Thats the issue here--------------thought control. Wake the fuck up and see what is really happening here.

 

[Silhouette]

They are still relationships that you find to be "yucky" and expect the government to stop

It is perfectly acceptable for you to find race mixing to be unacceptable. If you do, that should be a consideration in YOUR choice of spouse. What is unacceptable is for you to force the government to accept your bigotry and force it on others

That's right. What some people do behind closed doors is "yucky" to the majority. Like incest for example. Even between consenting adults. Or polygamy. "Bigotry" only applies to race or religion. It doesn't apply to how people think and feel about human behaviors.

 

[kaz]

You got it completely backwards. Your private lives don't belong in the public arena any more than your religion does. They most certainly don't belong disenfranchising the votes of tens of millions of people.

You admit that "your private lives" is what this is all about. Not a state of being, but what you DO in private. This would be the first time in US history where an incomplete group of behaviors thoroughly repugnant to the majority dictated to the majority. In the interest of equality, what set of behaviors equally repugnant could we arbitrarily deny? And why? Because the majority disagrees with them?

Nice to see the democrats beat the sleeping GOP strategists to the punch. Now if the GOP exploits one of the largest hidden vote reserves in the country, it will look like at least one prominent democrat agrees. It has watered down that impact.

The solution would be to put people like Pelosi on the spot. But neither she nor any of the other high officers of the cult will consent to an interview at the 11th hour. Time to dig out the old footage. Or just keep listening to Carl Rove... God this feels like 2012 all over again.

I remember a time when a black man and a white woman holding hands was repugnant to a large percentage of Americans. They even used to lynch a black man for doing it
Doesn't mean our government should enforce it just because you find it to be "yucky"

race and sexual orientation are two different things. continuing to try to make them analogous makes you and wytchey look like fools.

Let me ask you, is it OK for someone to think that racial mixing is wrong? Are people allowed to hold that belief? Racial mixing is found repugnant by members of all races. It is not discrimination or bias, its just what they believe.

Do you want the government dictating what you are allowed to believe? Before you answer, remember, someday soon conservatives may control the governement, do you want them dictating what you are allowed to believe?

They are still relationships that you find to be "yucky" and expect the government to stop

It is perfectly acceptable for you to find race mixing to be unacceptable. If you do, that should be a consideration in YOUR choice of spouse. What is unacceptable is for you to force the government to accept your bigotry and force it on others

Damn, but you are thick headed. I don't find race mixing unacceptable, but many others do. You want to punish them for those thoughts because like all liberals, you know what everyone else must think and believe. YOU are the intolerant one in this debate.

The bigotry in the gay agenda is coming from the gays and gay supporters. YOU want the government to mandate how the rest of the citizens feel about it. That is the very definition of bigotry.

BTW, when to you put on your Jake Snarkey hat? Is it at noon?

Nobody is forcing them to race mix or marry someone of the same sex......that is their choice

We are stopping them from denying that choice to others

Don't worry big guy, you can fuck any consenting adult you want. No one is stopping you. No one even gives a shit. In fact most of us don't want to know. Screw all the guys you want, you're covered.

 

[rightwinger]

I remember a time when a black man and a white woman holding hands was repugnant to a large percentage of Americans. They even used to lynch a black man for doing it
Doesn't mean our government should enforce it just because you find it to be "yucky"

race and sexual orientation are two different things. continuing to try to make them analogous makes you and wytchey look like fools.

Let me ask you, is it OK for someone to think that racial mixing is wrong? Are people allowed to hold that belief? Racial mixing is found repugnant by members of all races. It is not discrimination or bias, its just what they believe.

Do you want the government dictating what you are allowed to believe? Before you answer, remember, someday soon conservatives may control the governement, do you want them dictating what you are allowed to believe?

They are still relationships that you find to be "yucky" and expect the government to stop

It is perfectly acceptable for you to find race mixing to be unacceptable. If you do, that should be a consideration in YOUR choice of spouse. What is unacceptable is for you to force the government to accept your bigotry and force it on others

Damn, but you are thick headed. I don't find race mixing unacceptable, but many others do. You want to punish them for those thoughts because like all liberals, you know what everyone else must think and believe. YOU are the intolerant one in this debate.

The bigotry in the gay agenda is coming from the gays and gay supporters. YOU want the government to mandate how the rest of the citizens feel about it. That is the very definition of bigotry.

BTW, when to you put on your Jake Snarkey hat? Is it at noon?

Nobody is forcing them to race mix or marry someone of the same sex......that is their choice

We are stopping them from denying that choice to others

Pay attention, thats not the issue. You want the government to punish anyone who does not think that race mixing or gay marriage are right for society. YOU want to punish them for their thoughts. Thats the issue here--------------thought control. Wake the fuck up and see what is really happening here.

I haven't seen anyone go to jail for hating gays or blacks.....maybe you read different papers than I do

 

[rightwinger]

I remember a time when a black man and a white woman holding hands was repugnant to a large percentage of Americans. They even used to lynch a black man for doing it
Doesn't mean our government should enforce it just because you find it to be "yucky"

race and sexual orientation are two different things. continuing to try to make them analogous makes you and wytchey look like fools.

Let me ask you, is it OK for someone to think that racial mixing is wrong? Are people allowed to hold that belief? Racial mixing is found repugnant by members of all races. It is not discrimination or bias, its just what they believe.

Do you want the government dictating what you are allowed to believe? Before you answer, remember, someday soon conservatives may control the governement, do you want them dictating what you are allowed to believe?

They are still relationships that you find to be "yucky" and expect the government to stop

It is perfectly acceptable for you to find race mixing to be unacceptable. If you do, that should be a consideration in YOUR choice of spouse. What is unacceptable is for you to force the government to accept your bigotry and force it on others

Damn, but you are thick headed. I don't find race mixing unacceptable, but many others do. You want to punish them for those thoughts because like all liberals, you know what everyone else must think and believe. YOU are the intolerant one in this debate.

The bigotry in the gay agenda is coming from the gays and gay supporters. YOU want the government to mandate how the rest of the citizens feel about it. That is the very definition of bigotry.

BTW, when to you put on your Jake Snarkey hat? Is it at noon?

Nobody is forcing them to race mix or marry someone of the same sex......that is their choice

We are stopping them from denying that choice to others

Don't worry big guy, you can fuck any consenting adult you want. No one is stopping you. No one even gives a shit. In fact most of us don't want to know. Screw all the guys you want, you're covered.

Consensual sex

Isn't that what it is all about? Imagine being able to marry the person you love and not being stopped by some dimwitted bigot?

 

[Silhouette]

I haven't seen anyone go to jail for hating gays or blacks.....maybe you read different papers than I do

Blacks and gays are not in the same legal category. One is a proud race of people. The other is a practitioner of a aberrent attempt to reproduce with an artificial vagina [the anus]. Comparing blacks to gays is, therefore, one of the most insulting comparisons in the history of mankind. What blacks went through was beyond the pale.

 

[martybegan]

Your CCW is ignored by NY, which is the issue in and of itself. NY ignores it because it gets to decide (in their view) who may get a CCW. This is patently unconstitutional, but allowed because of a pliable judiciary and asshat progressive politicians.

Your personal bugaboo is irrelevant to the discussion. A CCW license issued in Alabama is ignored in NY too...they are treated the same.

Still not getting it.

Yes, I realize that you're not getting it. But that's because you think gays aren't as good as you are and don't deserve what you have. We all get that.

Not at all, its just they are not "special" enough to warrant creating stuff in the constitution and ignoring the States right to legislate items such as how they allow a marriage contract to be created.

Maybe the answer is to allow states to define HOW they give a marriage contract, but enforce full faith and credit to ones from out of state regardless of what they consist of.

That's what I said at the beginning of the thread. I will say again...get rid of the remainder of the unconstitutional DOMA, giving FF&C to all marriage licenses, not just the straight ones. If your state doesn't want to marry gays, fine, but they should have to recognize those legal marriages just like other states have to recognize the pederast incest marriages of Alabama.

Then why are most of the lawsuits currently about getting states to issue licenses, not FF&C lawsuits?

 

[rightwinger]

I haven't seen anyone go to jail for hating gays or blacks.....maybe you read different papers than I do

Blacks and gays are not in the same legal category. One is a proud race of people. The other is a practitioner of a aberrent attempt to reproduce with an artificial vagina [the anus]. Comparing blacks to gays is, therefore, one of the most insulting comparisons in the history of mankind. What blacks went through was beyond the pale.

Thanks for a bigots perspective

 

[kaz]

race and sexual orientation are two different things. continuing to try to make them analogous makes you and wytchey look like fools.

Let me ask you, is it OK for someone to think that racial mixing is wrong? Are people allowed to hold that belief? Racial mixing is found repugnant by members of all races. It is not discrimination or bias, its just what they believe.

Do you want the government dictating what you are allowed to believe? Before you answer, remember, someday soon conservatives may control the governement, do you want them dictating what you are allowed to believe?

They are still relationships that you find to be "yucky" and expect the government to stop

It is perfectly acceptable for you to find race mixing to be unacceptable. If you do, that should be a consideration in YOUR choice of spouse. What is unacceptable is for you to force the government to accept your bigotry and force it on others

Damn, but you are thick headed. I don't find race mixing unacceptable, but many others do. You want to punish them for those thoughts because like all liberals, you know what everyone else must think and believe. YOU are the intolerant one in this debate.

The bigotry in the gay agenda is coming from the gays and gay supporters. YOU want the government to mandate how the rest of the citizens feel about it. That is the very definition of bigotry.

BTW, when to you put on your Jake Snarkey hat? Is it at noon?

Nobody is forcing them to race mix or marry someone of the same sex......that is their choice

We are stopping them from denying that choice to others

Don't worry big guy, you can fuck any consenting adult you want. No one is stopping you. No one even gives a shit. In fact most of us don't want to know. Screw all the guys you want, you're covered.

Consensual sex

Isn't that what it is all about? Imagine being able to marry the person you love and not being stopped by some dimwitted bigot?

Yes, government are dimwitted bigots. Just like the people who vote to have as many dimwitted bigots as possible. That's you big guy since you don't get the obvious. I'm happy if the dimitted bigots who operate government actually leave me alone. You and your boyfriend want shit from them. There's something fundamentally wrong with you.

 

[Silhouette]

Blacks and gays are not in the same legal category. One is a proud race of people. The other is a practitioner of a aberrent attempt to reproduce with an artificial vagina [the anus]. Comparing blacks to gays is, therefore, one of the most insulting comparisons in the history of mankind. What blacks went through was beyond the pale.

Thanks for a bigots perspective

Blacks do not like the comparison of race to butt sex:

"Zogby Analytics was commissioned by Robert L. Johnson to conduct an online survey of 1002
African American adults in the United States. All calls were made from February 14 through
February 20, 2013....

...
26. Some in the LGBT community claim that rights for LGBT people are the same as rights for
African Americans. Do you believe that equal rights for gays are the same as equal rights for
African Americans?
Yes 28%
No 55
Not sure 17
By nearly two to one (55% vs. 28%), respondents say that equal rights for gays are not
the same as equal rights for African Americans." http://www.rljcompanies.com/phpages...s-Black-Opinions-in-the-Age-of-Obama_2013.pdf

This poll might shed light on the remaining 17% of "not sure"/[too afraid to answer honestly outside private opinion] Should Churches Be Forced to Accomodate for Homosexual Adoptions US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[rightwinger]

Blacks and gays are not in the same legal category. One is a proud race of people. The other is a practitioner of a aberrent attempt to reproduce with an artificial vagina [the anus]. Comparing blacks to gays is, therefore, one of the most insulting comparisons in the history of mankind. What blacks went through was beyond the pale.

Thanks for a bigots perspective

Blacks do not like the comparison of race to butt sex:

"Zogby Analytics was commissioned by Robert L. Johnson to conduct an online survey of 1002
African American adults in the United States. All calls were made from February 14 through
February 20, 2013....

...
26. Some in the LGBT community claim that rights for LGBT people are the same as rights for
African Americans. Do you believe that equal rights for gays are the same as equal rights for
African Americans?
Yes 28%
No 55
Not sure 17
By nearly two to one (55% vs. 28%), respondents say that equal rights for gays are not
the same as equal rights for African Americans." http://www.rljcompanies.com/phpages...s-Black-Opinions-in-the-Age-of-Obama_2013.pdf

This poll might shed light on the remaining 17% of "not sure"/[too afraid to answer honestly outside private opinion] Should Churches Be Forced to Accomodate for Homosexual Adoptions US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Still doesn't show they are not in the same category

Keep trying....I will sit back and snicker

 

[kaz]

Still doesn't show they are not in the same category

Keep trying....I will sit back and snicker

What is your hypothesis that blacks are all gay based on? Since there continue to be more blacks, doesn't that contradict your theory? Maybe what you mean is you think blacks are all bi. Can you clarify?

 

[rightwinger]

Still doesn't show they are not in the same category

Keep trying....I will sit back and snicker

What is your hypothesis that blacks are all gay based on? Since there continue to be more blacks, doesn't that contradict your theory? Maybe what you mean is you think blacks are all bi. Can you clarify?

Gladly,
Both blacks and gays are Americans and entitled to the equal protections of the 14th amendment

Great country isn't it?

 

[kaz]

Still doesn't show they are not in the same category

Keep trying....I will sit back and snicker

What is your hypothesis that blacks are all gay based on? Since there continue to be more blacks, doesn't that contradict your theory? Maybe what you mean is you think blacks are all bi. Can you clarify?

Gladly,
Both blacks and gays are Americans and entitled to the equal protections of the 14th amendment

Great country isn't it?

Yes, they are . And they both have equal protection. That has nothing to do with gay marriage where liberals want gays to have something that other Americans don't have.

 

[Silhouette]

Still doesn't show they are not in the same category

Keep trying....I will sit back and snicker

Your contention is that "LGBT" is a race of people? That would be weird because I've seen people professing to have gay orientation of all walks/races in life. I've even heard of famous ones crossing over to being straight. Anne Heche figured out that if she was attracted to all things male in her partner, why not just BE with a male? And so she did.

There is glaring evidence that at least half of all gays are closeted hetero [seek the rudimentary trappings of the opposite sex in their partner]. Some of them figure this out and migrate back to where their subconscious was leading them anyway. Why be with a lesbian with all the aggression and looks of a man but without the normal penis? Strapons just don't always cut it. Why be with a gay man with all the lisping and feigned stupid surficial trappings of the stereotyped female? When instead of an artificial vagina [anus] the real one will do...and can even bear children for you?

LGBT is not a race. It's a cult of unreflected mental illness, evident to all but the suffers. Such is what happens when the inmates take over the Asylum [google "Cummings, APA, Leona Tyler"]. De facto. And it's a cult with many disturbing gravitations towards lewd sex acts in front of and with children [pride parades/Harvey Milk]. That is undoubtedly what is driving much of the resentment of the clear majority or blacks rejecting that comparison.

 

[Seawytch]

Jimmy Carter is wrong and the big government RWs are wrong.

Government does not belong in our private lives any more than religion does.

You mean except for telling us what wages we can work for, what health care we can buy, that we have to buy health care, who can represent us in court, who can treat us for illness, who can cut our hair and our toenails, who can decorate our house, who can wire our house, how much cash we can deposit in our bank without government checking it out and they can waive our Constitutional rights in collecting taxes.

But other than that ... government does not belong in our private lives." LOL. Right.

well said and right on

Liberals talking about government staying out of our lives is just comical. And look what he's arguing. If gays can't go to government, demand recognition of their union and validation of their screwing their own sex and tax breaks and other perks, then government isn't leaving them alone. Government leaving them alone isn't government leaving them alone, government giving them things because they demand it is leaving them alone. Government not paying for your birth control and abortions is government prohibiting you from getting birth control and abortions. Only from the mouth of a liberal. They are not logical, they are not bright.

Says the civilly married man who needed the validation of legal civil marriage.

 

[Seawytch]

That's what I said at the beginning of the thread. I will say again...get rid of the remainder of the unconstitutional DOMA, giving FF&C to all marriage licenses, not just the straight ones. If your state doesn't want to marry gays, fine, but they should have to recognize those legal marriages just like other states have to recognize the pederast incest marriages of Alabama.[/QUOTE]


Bigot

How adorable Fishy...projection. I would be a bigot if I was trying to prevent their marriages or prevent them from being recognized. I'd be a bigot if I said they should have civil marriages while I get just plain old marriage. That would be bigoted.

Nope, the word fits you. You are bigoted against everyone and anyone who disagrees with your gay agenda. You tolerate no other opinions or beliefs, its your way or no way. YOU are the bigot---------and all over a word. Tell me, how does calling your gay union a marriage change the minds and beliefs of the majority of humanity who believe that homosexuality is an abnormal human condition?

You are what Rand and Orwell wrote about. You want thought control by the central government

You obviously have no understanding of the word. I am intolerant of intolerance, but bigoted, hardly. I don't want to see anyone denied their rights, you do though.

You also appear to be very ignorant of what the "majority" believes. Check the polls Rip Van Winkle.

I said the "majority of humanity" not the 1200 people in some poll. Intolerance of differing viewpoints is being bigoted. You are intolerant of any viewpoint but yours. You want the government to dictate how people think and what they believe and then punish those who dare to stray from the govt dictated beliefs.

I am tolerant of the gay lifestyle, I don't give a crap what you and your girlfriend do in private or what you call your relationship in private. I want the two of you to have every right that a man/woman married couple have. But what you have is not a marriage any more than Homer, Louise, Jane, and Fido have a marriage. They are all committed to each other and love each other, but they are not married.

And we don't care what your bigoted opinion of our legal, civil marriage is. Great country, America...where we live.

 

[kaz]

Jimmy Carter is wrong and the big government RWs are wrong.

Government does not belong in our private lives any more than religion does.

You mean except for telling us what wages we can work for, what health care we can buy, that we have to buy health care, who can represent us in court, who can treat us for illness, who can cut our hair and our toenails, who can decorate our house, who can wire our house, how much cash we can deposit in our bank without government checking it out and they can waive our Constitutional rights in collecting taxes.

But other than that ... government does not belong in our private lives." LOL. Right.

well said and right on

Liberals talking about government staying out of our lives is just comical. And look what he's arguing. If gays can't go to government, demand recognition of their union and validation of their screwing their own sex and tax breaks and other perks, then government isn't leaving them alone. Government leaving them alone isn't government leaving them alone, government giving them things because they demand it is leaving them alone. Government not paying for your birth control and abortions is government prohibiting you from getting birth control and abortions. Only from the mouth of a liberal. They are not logical, they are not bright.

Says the civilly married man who needed the validation of legal civil marriage.

Logic has nothing to do with your emotions, sweet heart. Ironic you're the one who tells me to tread on my wife like mud in my shoe when you're the one who wants the courts to make life fair.

 

[Seawytch]

Jimmy Carter is wrong and the big government RWs are wrong.

Government does not belong in our private lives any more than religion does.

You mean except for telling us what wages we can work for, what health care we can buy, that we have to buy health care, who can represent us in court, who can treat us for illness, who can cut our hair and our toenails, who can decorate our house, who can wire our house, how much cash we can deposit in our bank without government checking it out and they can waive our Constitutional rights in collecting taxes.

But other than that ... government does not belong in our private lives." LOL. Right.

well said and right on

Liberals talking about government staying out of our lives is just comical. And look what he's arguing. If gays can't go to government, demand recognition of their union and validation of their screwing their own sex and tax breaks and other perks, then government isn't leaving them alone. Government leaving them alone isn't government leaving them alone, government giving them things because they demand it is leaving them alone. Government not paying for your birth control and abortions is government prohibiting you from getting birth control and abortions. Only from the mouth of a liberal. They are not logical, they are not bright.

Says the civilly married man who needed the validation of legal civil marriage.

Logic has nothing to do with your emotions, sweet heart. Ironic you're the one who tells me to tread on my wife like mud in my shoe when you're the one who wants the courts to make life fair.

No actually I don't. What I've said, oh reluctant hypocrite, is that instead of asking gays so contemptuously why they "need government validation" through civil marriage, you should instead ask your question closer to home.