Jodi Arias Penalty

[testarosa]

This is the law:
Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

 

[testarosa]

I say we take over the thread Testa started on Z. We've dealt with smartasses and idiots before; we can easily 'selectively' ignore those that post in it to start trouble. Some people are so miserable in their own lives, they believe it's their duty to try and make others as miserable as they are. They'll never see the sun from their head being shoved up their ass so far.

I started weeding them out this morning lol

 

[testarosa]

There is a lot of gray area with stand your ground and Z

Yes. I can see why. Is the whole neighborhood Z's "ground" because he was watch captain? How far does that "ground" extend? But he's not asserting that. He's going for straight self-defense. So it really does come down to convincing the jury that TM attacked first and that Z felt his life was in danger. If TM doubled back and attacked, then Z should be acquitted.

Except, if public opinion is any example of juror opinion, they are already predisposed to a "side" or opinion, so factor that in, the political aspects in, and I don't think he's got a chance in hell at a fair trial.

 

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Here's a bunch of evidence, witness drawings and miscellaneous stuff. I was over <<--- but you guys are over here! -->>

Trayvon Martin -

 

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Yeah I think that 911 call will be key the problem is I'm not sure they can know. I don't know you've been watching are they able to tell who it is?
Zimmerman from what I know seems to have a good lawyer. I just don't know.

Good question. Well both sides are advocating that it is their guy. Zimmerman says it was him, his brother says it his voice for sure and of course his attorney says it is George.

They had several voice experts listen to the tape and a lot of them could not determine who it was...some said it was George and some said it was Trayvon. George said from the beginning it was him.

Im really torn on this. If it were my brother who got in a fist fight and was winning and suddenly the other guy pulls a gun and shoots and kills him...I would be angry beyond belief. However, with the "Stand Your Ground Law" in Florida, what George did was considered legal and in self defense.

George said that he told Trayvon that he had a gun...I dont believe that as of now...I think he got jumped when he went back to his car...he panicked and pulled the gun and shot him. George is trying to say that he warned him like in a stand off....that doesnt mesh with the rest of his story.

Im curious to see what the evidence will bring. Of course you have all the racial implications also. Where the marches for Trayvon are intended to intimidate the jury, IMO....I dont like that as a defense.

And yes, George has a great attorney...well respected in the state of Florida.

I have not heard anything about him warning him in fact just the opposite I have heard GZ claims he didn't even remember he had a gun till he claims TM tried to grab it. I am not buying that. I also heard theres a witness who was on the phone with TM says she heard GZ ask TM what he was doing and TM say why are you following me? Then a fight. Sounds to me like he was following him even after being told not to. But again I haven't been paying close attention.

 

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Here's the transcript from the in chambers hearing that allowed the sex tape in http://www.azcentral.com/ic/pdf/0607arias-sex-tape-proceeding.pdf

I've bookmarked it for later. I would love to read about ALV approaching the Alexander family.

Haven't found anything on that yet

 

[SantaFeWay]

Wanted to see the autopsy report. Thanks, Testa. So TM did not have any bruising or bleeding other than from the gunshot. He was the aggressor. It's back online with jury selection...

 

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Here's the transcript from the in chambers hearing that allowed the sex tape in http://www.azcentral.com/ic/pdf/0607arias-sex-tape-proceeding.pdf

I'm laughing out loud at this. So, Juan didn't want the sex tape in but the wonder defense team somehow heard "self defense" and "abuse" on the tape and wanted it in. I'm not sure how they translated that conversation to "abuse". Bad defense tactic, they should have left it out and left her off the stand.

They should have gone off Juan's lead here, he got what the sex tape was... a sex tape.
Excerpt:

Nurmster:
So as it was with the three hole wonder
conversation, we're not putting it in evidence to prove or
disprove that Ms. Arias was a, quote unquote, three hole
wonder. What we're talking about is -- as we are now,
we're not talking about putting it in her ass or some of
the sexual comparisons he made in order to offer the truth
of the matter asserted.

Juan:
And why is she reciprocating? The truth of it
is that she's saying, for example, I can't wait to get
together with you so we can make a porno flick. I want to
see you stick your dick between my titties. I want them
to see the left side of my face. I don't want them to see
your feet. It will be so artistic.

Eeaaaanddd I'm laughing again at JoJo: It will be so artistic.

Yuh-Huh.

I think it was a bad defense strategy all the way around as it clearly wasn't self defense. But since that is what they had they didn't have much else to work with. I do think the tape was the only thing they had to help with that to at least show the other side of TA. Not that I think theres anything wrong with that side and clearly JA was a willing participant. But the people I know that bought the abuse do often refer to excerpts from the tape. Thats the reason Juan really didn't want to allow it in. And when they showed the clip with the edit and the words it seemed to have more impact.

That part of the conversation was pretty funny, some how I missed the part where she said it would be artistic and this is the first I'm hearing that LOL

 

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Good question. Well both sides are advocating that it is their guy. Zimmerman says it was him, his brother says it his voice for sure and of course his attorney says it is George.

They had several voice experts listen to the tape and a lot of them could not determine who it was...some said it was George and some said it was Trayvon. George said from the beginning it was him.

Im really torn on this. If it were my brother who got in a fist fight and was winning and suddenly the other guy pulls a gun and shoots and kills him...I would be angry beyond belief. However, with the "Stand Your Ground Law" in Florida, what George did was considered legal and in self defense.

George said that he told Trayvon that he had a gun...I dont believe that as of now...I think he got jumped when he went back to his car...he panicked and pulled the gun and shot him. George is trying to say that he warned him like in a stand off....that doesnt mesh with the rest of his story.

Im curious to see what the evidence will bring. Of course you have all the racial implications also. Where the marches for Trayvon are intended to intimidate the jury, IMO....I dont like that as a defense.

And yes, George has a great attorney...well respected in the state of Florida.

Here's the thing, NO ONE knows whether Zimmerman left his car with the gun drawn or in his hand. If so, there was cause for Martin to pummel him to wrestle the gun away or protect himself. At one point, I read that Zimmerman said that Martin went for the gun and tried to get it away from him. Since Zimmerman and his wife already lied in court about finances, what's to stop him from lying about something to get out of jail? As we know from prior liars, a little bit of the truth is tossed in to make it sound legit. So he may have had the gun out and at the ready and then Martin attempted to protect himself. Just because some of Zimmerman's story seems to line up, doesn't mean all of it is true. If he never left the car, none of this would have transpired.

No one knows, but I dont think he was walking around the neighborhood waving his gun. He was following trayvon so that he could tell 911 his exact location...thats why he got out of his car...he was in an apartment complex and he was following on foot while on the phone with dispatcher. He was told to stop following and according to him he stopped and went back to his car...on his way back to the car is when trayvon surprised him. That part of the story holds up with the location of the assault in proximity to his car.

I dont think Trayvon charged George while George had a gun pointed at him. If he did, then hes an idiot. George is not a killer...he didnt go looking to kill trayvon. The neighborhood had numerous robberies and George was following someone he thought looked suspicious.

Now was Trayvon in the right to double back and approach george because he thought he was being followed?...I think he was. But it could have stopped there. Like "hey dude why are you following me"? George: "Because we have had robberies in the neighborhood and you looked suspicious"...Trayvon: "Well im not here to rob anyone, im on my way home"....George: "Okay have a nice day". It could have and should have ended like that, but it appears Trayvon wanted to fight...it escalated and he got shot.

Where Georges history is that of a neighborhood watch person who has donated time to help others including minorities. On the other hand, you have Trayvon who looks like a punk kid who was young and in to guns, fighting and drugs. They have confirmed this through texts and phone convos and thru friends. Trayvon liked to brag about this stuff and at the time he was on the phone with his girlfriend. Trayvon wanted to fight...in hindsight it was just a neighborhood watch person and could have been avoided.

As far as lying about the finances....well what would you do....the dude has a hit out on him from the Black Panthers...he was let go once and then because of political pressure was brought back in. He had recieved donations that were going to his attorney and to support himself...he didnt want all of that money going to bail and having nothing left. So they lied about it and justified it as money used for the defense...they were trying to get a lower bail amount...hell, he was let go initially and not requiring bail at all....now hes arrested in jail, has a hit on him and is being indicted. He lied about it, but geez, I cant really blame him for trying....all of that money would have been scooped up in bail and he has an attorney to pay and a family to support....they dude hasnt even been able to leave his house and go to work.

I feel like theres a lot of assumptions being made here. I thought he was still in the car when on the phone with the dispatcher? And was told not to follow him but did so anyway? The thing is there are parts of his story that seem to have changed and that to me sounds like more lying not just about finances. As for TM who cares about him bragging about stuff thats what teens do, if he hadn't been followed he wouldn't have gotten in a fight. You are right it could have gone a lot differently unfortunately we will never know what actually happened that day. But I don't like this defense strategy of throwing mud on the victims name anymore than I liked it when JA did it or when rapist do it to rape victims. It's absurd.

 

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Here's the transcript from the in chambers hearing that allowed the sex tape in http://www.azcentral.com/ic/pdf/0607arias-sex-tape-proceeding.pdf

Anyone here, there, anywhere? The journey begins tomorrow...any thoughts?

Start a different thread on the Zimmerman trial.
Please!
Or I'll neg all of you!

You can ask a mod to split from the Jodi trial.

There's already other threads on the Zimmerman trial. We talk about all different things in here and prefer not to go in that one where people are all fighting.

 

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[MENTION=43880]Trialwatcher[/MENTION]...the character of the two involved is not comparable....the scuffle that you mention was George defending a homeless man.

George was a family man who donated time and money to charities....He got tired of his neighborhood being robbed and decided he was gonna do something about it...so he followed someone who looked suspicious and called the police.

Trayvon was a wannabe thug. I never said smoking pot made you a bad person, but it is against the law in Florida...he was also bragging of obtaining firearms illegally and bragging of fighting and people not bleeding enough when he fought them. Trayvon was a punk kid who looked suspicious and according to some of the stuff leaked out about him was probably walking around like a thug and he got followed because of it.

NONE OF THAT MATTERS. GZ didn't know anything about TM or who he was and on that night he wasn't doing anything wrong. It's ridiculous to mudsling the victim remember who else did that and you didn't like it?

 

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No on beat me up, I'm not getting in the middle of a weird debate, I agree for the most part with [MENTION=43893]25Caliber[/MENTION]. It could have been avoided on both sides, it got out of hand and someone got shot.

It could have been avoided if Zimmerman called the police and stayed in his car. How would Martin get into a locked car? He didn't have a gun.

Huh? Locked car? what do you mean? Yes Zimmerman could have stayed in his car...he had the police on the phone and was trying to give the location...he was in an apartment complex and travon was walking around the back of the apartments...he could not drive his car up on the sidewalk....lol...so he got out and tried to give the location to the dispatcher.

No one is calling him a hero...certainly not me. I agree with Test, lots of what ifs on both sides. You know when I was younger and stupid walking the neighborhoods at night, I have been followed also by concerned adults....I certainly didnt double back and start bashing their head into a sidewalk.

The dispatcher didn't ask him to go get the location the dispatcher had already gotten off the phone with him and told him the cops would meet him at his place. You have your facts all wrong and are skewing for GZ because of it. I understand why because GZ's story has changed so many times its easy to get lost in the web. Gee this sounds familiar.

 

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Trialwatcher wrote:
"If Zimmerman was a neighborhood watch person, had he introduced himself to the neighbors, Martin's father would have been able to tell him about visitations from his son and Martin might have known who was following. I would not cotton to some stranger following me and asking me questions, without legal authority."

He was appointed Neighborhood Watch Captain by the Homeowners Association. Maybe Trayvons father should have made it his business to tell trayvon who the neighborhood watch person was...it goes both ways.

Reuters did an investigation and according to the other neighbors, George was a model neighbor who was trying to help the neighborhood by reporting suspicious behavior to the police. He followed someone who was not normally seen in the neighborhood or who he did not find familiar walking in the back of the townhouses. Thats what neighborhood watch people do...they report suspicious behavior. There were many recent robberies in the neighborhood and George thought he was doing his job as the captain.

Trayvon threw the first punch...he could have explained that he was just going to his fathers house or relatives house and went on with his day, but no....he looked at George as someone he could take and decided he was gonna punch someone and make them bleed under the cover of he was being followed.

It appears that in Florida you should be careful who you decide to punch....of course Trayvon being 18 and invincible didnt think about that.

And who was the "victim" before Trayvon was shot? Zimmerman? It appears Zimmerman was right...trayvon was a thug looking to fight...if some old lady had decided to take a peak because he was walking around the back of her house...would he beat her up to?

Reuters Background Check of George Zimmerman - April 27, 2012 - YouTube

Can you please get your fact straight before you start spouting all this BS. Trayvon was 17 not 18. GZ wasn't appointed so much as noone wanted to do the job. There was another neighbor who complained he was followed by GZ too. Watching and following after being told not to are 2 different things.
Also why was GZ's DNA not on TM? Daily Kos :: DNA Report does NOT support Zimmerman's claim that Trayvon Martin caused his injuries

 

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Trialwatcher wrote:
"If Zimmerman was a neighborhood watch person, had he introduced himself to the neighbors, Martin's father would have been able to tell him about visitations from his son and Martin might have known who was following. I would not cotton to some stranger following me and asking me questions, without legal authority."

He was appointed Neighborhood Watch Captain by the Homeowners Association. Maybe Trayvons father should have made it his business to tell trayvon who the neighborhood watch person was...it goes both ways.

Reuters did an investigation and according to the other neighbors, George was a model neighbor who was trying to help the neighborhood by reporting suspicious behavior to the police. He followed someone who was not normally seen in the neighborhood or who he did not find familiar walking in the back of the townhouses. Thats what neighborhood watch people do...they report suspicious behavior. There were many recent robberies in the neighborhood and George thought he was doing his job as the captain.

Trayvon threw the first punch...he could have explained that he was just going to his fathers house or relatives house and went on with his day, but no....he looked at George as someone he could take and decided he was gonna punch someone and make them bleed under the cover of he was being followed.

It appears that in Florida you should be careful who you decide to punch....of course Trayvon being 18 and invincible didnt think about that.

And who was the "victim" before Trayvon was shot? Zimmerman? It appears Zimmerman was right...trayvon was a thug looking to fight...if some old lady had decided to take a peak because he was walking around the back of her house...would he beat her up to?

Reuters Background Check of George Zimmerman - April 27, 2012 - YouTube

And another thing if it was so cut and dry stand your ground why did he opt out of that hearing?

 

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Here's the transcript from the in chambers hearing that allowed the sex tape in http://www.azcentral.com/ic/pdf/0607arias-sex-tape-proceeding.pdf

I'm laughing out loud at this. So, Juan didn't want the sex tape in but the wonder defense team somehow heard "self defense" and "abuse" on the tape and wanted it in. I'm not sure how they translated that conversation to "abuse". Bad defense tactic, they should have left it out and left her off the stand.

They should have gone off Juan's lead here, he got what the sex tape was... a sex tape.
Excerpt:

Nurmster:
So as it was with the three hole wonder
conversation, we're not putting it in evidence to prove or
disprove that Ms. Arias was a, quote unquote, three hole
wonder. What we're talking about is -- as we are now,
we're not talking about putting it in her ass or some of
the sexual comparisons he made in order to offer the truth
of the matter asserted.

Juan:
And why is she reciprocating? The truth of it
is that she's saying, for example, I can't wait to get
together with you so we can make a porno flick. I want to
see you stick your dick between my titties. I want them
to see the left side of my face. I don't want them to see
your feet. It will be so artistic.

Eeaaaanddd I'm laughing again at JoJo: It will be so artistic.

Yuh-Huh.

I think it was a bad defense strategy all the way around as it clearly wasn't self defense. But since that is what they had they didn't have much else to work with. I do think the tape was the only thing they had to help with that to at least show the other side of TA. Not that I think theres anything wrong with that side and clearly JA was a willing participant. But the people I know that bought the abuse do often refer to excerpts from the tape. Thats the reason Juan really didn't want to allow it in. And when they showed the clip with the edit and the words it seemed to have more impact.

That part of the conversation was pretty funny, some how I missed the part where she said it would be artistic and this is the first I'm hearing that LOL

It was clear in the transcript by what JW said that they had this neat abuse and DV package all wrapped up and LV was going to tie it all together with a bow later in the trial. It would all become crystal clear.

Except it wasn't.

The part that made me laugh is that was Juan quoting JA saying that on the tape. That cracks me up.

 

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Trialwatcher wrote:
"If Zimmerman was a neighborhood watch person, had he introduced himself to the neighbors, Martin's father would have been able to tell him about visitations from his son and Martin might have known who was following. I would not cotton to some stranger following me and asking me questions, without legal authority."

He was appointed Neighborhood Watch Captain by the Homeowners Association. Maybe Trayvons father should have made it his business to tell trayvon who the neighborhood watch person was...it goes both ways.

Reuters did an investigation and according to the other neighbors, George was a model neighbor who was trying to help the neighborhood by reporting suspicious behavior to the police. He followed someone who was not normally seen in the neighborhood or who he did not find familiar walking in the back of the townhouses. Thats what neighborhood watch people do...they report suspicious behavior. There were many recent robberies in the neighborhood and George thought he was doing his job as the captain.

Trayvon threw the first punch...he could have explained that he was just going to his fathers house or relatives house and went on with his day, but no....he looked at George as someone he could take and decided he was gonna punch someone and make them bleed under the cover of he was being followed.

It appears that in Florida you should be careful who you decide to punch....of course Trayvon being 18 and invincible didnt think about that.

And who was the "victim" before Trayvon was shot? Zimmerman? It appears Zimmerman was right...trayvon was a thug looking to fight...if some old lady had decided to take a peak because he was walking around the back of her house...would he beat her up to?

Reuters Background Check of George Zimmerman - April 27, 2012 - YouTube

And another thing if it was so cut and dry stand your ground why did he opt out of that hearing?

I'm still down the middle and waiting on all the evidence, but. There a) is some gray area b) the judge would have ruled on that hearing c) she had already proven she was a no-ma'am and I'm sure M O'M saw that loud and clear, she would have more than likely denied it and bound it over for trial at the very least because of the political implications if she stopped it right there on stand your ground with no trial d) the defense opted out because given c) it would have predisposed or smelled like guilt to the jury, even though that's not a ruling of guilt, it still would smell like it.

In summary, M O'M was very smart to not have a stand your ground hearing.

 

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Trialwatcher wrote:
"If Zimmerman was a neighborhood watch person, had he introduced himself to the neighbors, Martin's father would have been able to tell him about visitations from his son and Martin might have known who was following. I would not cotton to some stranger following me and asking me questions, without legal authority."

He was appointed Neighborhood Watch Captain by the Homeowners Association. Maybe Trayvons father should have made it his business to tell trayvon who the neighborhood watch person was...it goes both ways.

Reuters did an investigation and according to the other neighbors, George was a model neighbor who was trying to help the neighborhood by reporting suspicious behavior to the police. He followed someone who was not normally seen in the neighborhood or who he did not find familiar walking in the back of the townhouses. Thats what neighborhood watch people do...they report suspicious behavior. There were many recent robberies in the neighborhood and George thought he was doing his job as the captain.

Trayvon threw the first punch...he could have explained that he was just going to his fathers house or relatives house and went on with his day, but no....he looked at George as someone he could take and decided he was gonna punch someone and make them bleed under the cover of he was being followed.

It appears that in Florida you should be careful who you decide to punch....of course Trayvon being 18 and invincible didnt think about that.

And who was the "victim" before Trayvon was shot? Zimmerman? It appears Zimmerman was right...trayvon was a thug looking to fight...if some old lady had decided to take a peak because he was walking around the back of her house...would he beat her up to?

Reuters Background Check of George Zimmerman - April 27, 2012 - YouTube

Can you please get your fact straight before you start spouting all this BS. Trayvon was 17 not 18. GZ wasn't appointed so much as noone wanted to do the job. There was another neighbor who complained he was followed by GZ too. Watching and following after being told not to are 2 different things.
Also why was GZ's DNA not on TM? Daily Kos :: DNA Report does NOT support Zimmerman's claim that Trayvon Martin caused his injuries

Okay, see a lot of this crap doesn't make sense and there is so so much crap out there, I can't begin to weed through the truth and the bullshit.... waiting on trial.

What is this? Was there a 3rd person there? Was there a Ninja? Once some weird thing is in a "fact" article, I can't credit anything in it. Again, waiting on the trial.

That said, the DNA Report and Autopsy Report suggests that Trayvon Martin did not cause any of the injuries to Zimmerman. How did Zimmerman get his injuries? Who knows, but the DNA evidence and Autopsy report suggests Zimmerman did not get his injuries from the hands of Trayvon Martin.

 

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Good morning everyone,

Reading back, it's already been pretty heated on here today.

IMO, Zimmerman has been overcharged with M2. I've been trying to look at this from every angle. Look beyond the ifs and see what really happened. I agree 25, but just because Z had a reason to observe and report TM to 911 that doesn't mean Z isn't at fault for TM's death. Of course he is responsible. I see it more as Zimmerman having lost control of his gun and not being a competent gun owner. I don't know if the evidence can conclusively prove that lethal force was necessary to thwart TM's attack. So does this mean that, because Z is not asserting "stand your ground", he cannot use the theory of use of lethal force in this case? Not sure how that plays into this legally.

Are there lesser included charges? I didn't see any but haven't spent much time looking. If it's a question of M2 vs. self-defense, Z will be acquitted. There's no way this is M2. But he may be found guilty of negligent homicide or manslaughter if those are allowable verdicts. Ugh...this is so sad all around.

He's overcharged with M2 because of politics.

I agree, if there is a crime, the crime is manslaughter.

I believe manslaughter will be in the juror instructions, but not sure.

I'm still trying to catch up guys so bare with me but yeah maybe manslaughter. One thing I would point out is TM wasn't on GZ's property so this is not the same thing. One thing I don't lilke is how his story changed and how his story does not fit the evidence. Why was his DNA not in TM's nails why wasn't there abrasions on TM's hand other than one small scratch that we don't even know is from that night? Why is the blood on the back of his head not smeared and running downward if he was shimming on the grass like he stated? Zimmerman's bloody head - Bing Images Why doesn't any of this fit his story?! That should be a red flag to you guys like it would have been in another trial we spoke of.

Something that really pisses me off that has nothing to do with GZ is why did that kids body sit in the morgue for 3 days and they didn't figure out who he was and tell his parents? That is bullshit. They had his cell phone they could have figured it out. Imagine that was one of your kids?

 

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Go read the link posted by WorldWatcher on the Z thread.

I'll be posting about the Z trial there. It gets confusing on this one.

 

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Good morning everyone,

Reading back, it's already been pretty heated on here today.

IMO, Zimmerman has been overcharged with M2. I've been trying to look at this from every angle. Look beyond the ifs and see what really happened. I agree 25, but just because Z had a reason to observe and report TM to 911 that doesn't mean Z isn't at fault for TM's death. Of course he is responsible. I see it more as Zimmerman having lost control of his gun and not being a competent gun owner. I don't know if the evidence can conclusively prove that lethal force was necessary to thwart TM's attack. So does this mean that, because Z is not asserting "stand your ground", he cannot use the theory of use of lethal force in this case? Not sure how that plays into this legally.

Are there lesser included charges? I didn't see any but haven't spent much time looking. If it's a question of M2 vs. self-defense, Z will be acquitted. There's no way this is M2. But he may be found guilty of negligent homicide or manslaughter if those are allowable verdicts. Ugh...this is so sad all around.

Hey SF...I have a feeling this case is gonna bring lots of heat....lol. We have to remember that George wasnt breaking any laws either....as a neighborhood watch captain he was following on foot someone who looked suspicious and reporting it to the police. When he walking back to his car he was jumped by the "suspicious" person...shocker!

He was punched in the nose and then had his head bashed into the sidewalk....so in self defense he pulled the gun. Im not in favor of bringing a gun to a fist fight, but if it is shown that he was attacked and had already been punched in the nose and now his head was being slammed into the concrete, then florida says he has a right to defend himself against an attack. Floridians need to change the law if they dont like it.

BTW....George originally purchased the gun because of a pitbull in the neighborhood that had cornered his wife. He was advised by animal control to purchase a gun, so he and his wife went to the appropriate classes and legally registered a gun. Initially it was to fend off the pitbul, not play cop with teens in the neighborhood.

You are making assumptions again. Honestly I don't really know how I feel about this case like I said I could go either way depending on the evidence. We do no know he was jumped by TM when he got to his car, we only know that's what GZ says and TM can't speak for himself. But the witness on the phone says she heard GZ ask what TM was doing and TM ask why he was following him, then a scuffle.

BY the way have any of you heard about this cousin that came forward and called the police said GZ molested her? I don't know much about it I need to research it just asking if you guys know anything about it?