Joe B updated Democratic Field Rating (Progressives only, please)

[Olde Europe]

Hillary poisoned the DNC ,to the extent that they'll need a very bright star to make a comeback

JMHO.....

~S~

More evidence for how well the Russian ratfcking in 2016 worked - still works, I am saddened to say.

 

[Ken Mac]

Okay, all you Trump supporters, please sit this one out. You have 500 other threads where you can scream "They are all communists!!!"

In no particular order.

Bernie Sanders - Sanders is in a strong position because he has dedicated followers. This helps a lot in a primary battle. He's leading a movement, everyone else is just running a campaign.

His weakness- he's a lot further to the left than any Democrat since McGovern. If Trump weren't the alternative, even I'd consider voting Republican. Also, his age, he's pushing 80!

Peter Buttigeig - He's young, he's dynamic. He's the only veteran in the group. (Seriously, both parties, we've just been through a 19 year war and you can't find any vets to run?) The downside. He's gay, and I'm not sure the country is ready for a gay president yet. Right now, he's benefiting from being an alternative to Bernie and Biden. But he's running fifth nationally, and you have to wonder if this is just another case of placing too much emphasis on NH and IA.

Joe Biden - He's pretty much in freefall right now. He could still pull a rally at South Carolina. Let's not forget, Bill Clinton lost both IA and NH, and still turned it around. His big strength remains that there's still a lot of good will for him in the African American community for being Obama's wingman for 8 years.

Liz Warren - Probably turned out to be too smart for the room. She had lots of good ideas, and got bogged down into arguments about her Native American heritage and whether or not Bernie said a woman couldn't
run. (Ignoring Bernie's decades of support for female candidates.)

Amy Klochabar - this is a case of someone running for Vice President. She knows she's not going to be the nominee, we know it.. She's trying to place strong enough where someone will pick her up because she's a woman from the midwest.

Mike Bloomberg - Bloomberg's big strength is that he has nearly an infinite amount of money to run. He has strong progressive creds, but also strong cred as someone who can work in a bi-partisan manner. If it comes down to him and Bernie, it would be ironic if the the top two contenders for the Democratic Nomination aren't actually Democrats.

His weaknesses - the current mood in the Democratic party is anti-plutocratic, and his stances on gun control wouldn't play well in the red states.

Tom Steyer - Um, yeah, I guess he's still in this.


Tulsi Gabbard - The Kremlin needs to ask for it's money back.

Everything you wrote (and there is even a lot more) support the reason the democrats will lose the election. They have no viable candidate. It's a little too late to make one up.

 

[Ame®icano]

Okay, all you Trump supporters, please sit this one out.

Respectfully returning a favor of not shitting on every thread you lefties were ask to sit out.

200+ progressive posts so far, still haven't read single intelligent thing.

 

[Ame®icano]

They are all communists.

Come on man, you should be respectful to OP and refrain yourself from posting truth in thread like this.

 

[JGalt]

They are all communists.

Come on man, you should be respectful to OP and refrain yourself from posting truth in thread like this.

Sorry. I just couldn't help myself, with all that truth inside me, waiting to get out.

 

[Votto]

Liz Warren - Probably turned out to be too smart for the room.



Sorry, couldn't resist

Carry on

 

[Crepitus]

I like Sanders. He would be my first choice, but I think he's too far too fast for most folks.

There's also the simple fact that the nation may not survive 4 more years of a spoiled child as president. As it is it will take decades to undo all the damage he's done, rebuild the experience and institutional knowledge he has thrown out, and deprogram all his rabid followers..

Mayor Pete has a similar issue. The nation just isn't ready for a gay president.

Styer isn't really going anywhere fast.

Warren isn't going anywhere fast.

Klobuchar does seem to be angling for a VP spot.

That leaves Bloomberg, who really does seem to have the best chance right now. Both more money and brains that tRump, all he lacks is the legions of brain-dead followers. But I don't think he's a zombie king kinda guy. He seems to atract folks with a higher IQ than the average tRumpling.

I'm gonna hafta say he's the favorite, at the moment at least.

You have the nerve to talk about Trump followers being "brain dead" and you support Sanders. Talk about someone who will destroy the US quickly.

I would still like to think that there is no way there are enough ignorant, teenage, loser, Socialists in this country for Sanders to be elected President.

I can talk about tRumplings being brain dead because they say things like "Sanders will destroy the nation quickly".

Duh.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Not really.
Trump is a dumbfuck loose cannon.
Hillary is a snake.
So I voted for Jill Stein.

The Dems could have had my vote if they didn't rig the election for Hillary. And now they are doing it again. Biden has been pimped in the corporate media since before he threw his hat into the ring. He was "electable." He could beat Trump. Then he came in fourth and fifth. That kicked the ladder out from under that shtick. Biden is a dud. He doesn't have anything else.

The thing is that there are some candidates that the political elites don't like. They are ignored, smeared, and more. People like Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul, Cynthia McKinney, Bernie Sanders, and now Tulsi Gabbard. These people are a threat to the power establishment and must be stopped. It is interesting that Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul endorse Tulsi Gabbard.

Oh my...

Hillary, the most vilified woman in history, is "a snake." No less.

Biden has been "pimped". By the evil "corporate media".

Then you seem to look to "candidates" the "political elites don't like" (as if "like" were a political category"), and come up with a list of crackpots (partly excepting Sanders) you "like". Because "establishment" bad, and that's why you envision to vote third party, thus enabling Trump, the "dumbfuck loose cannon."

Look, there is a place for the folks you mention, not least because unorthodox ideas tend to enliven debate, even for folks like Gabbard and Trump, but that place is nowhere near the levers of power. And that is why insisting on ideological purity and an anti-establishment stance is a losing proposition, because Trump, the "dumbfuck loose cannon", stands to gain from it.

There are two types of politicians. Those who work for the people and those who work for their corporate donors.

Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard, and members of "the squad" do not take corporate money. IOW, they can't be told what to do. The establishment hates that.

 

[OldLady]

Donald Trump Embraces Wider Use of Stop-and-Frisk by Police
By Michael Barbaro, Maggie Haberman and Yamiche Alcindor

Sept. 21, 2016

Donald J. Trump on Wednesday called for the broad use of the contentious stop-and-frisk policing strategy in America’s cities, embracing an aggressive tactic whose legality has been challenged and whose enforcement has been abandoned in New York.

His support for the polarizing crime-fighting policy — which involves officers’ questioning and searching pedestrians — collides with his highly visible courtship of African-Americans, who have been disproportionately singled out by the tactic, data show.

For Mr. Trump, the timing was especially inauspicious: It came as police shootings of black people were once again drawing scrutiny and protest.

Mr. Trump has long championed stop-and-frisk as a crime-fighting tool in his hometown, New York, but on Wednesday he recommended that it be deployed in cities across the country that are struggling to control violence.

Donald Trump Embraces Wider Use of Stop-and-Frisk by Police

The problem with stop and frisk is when it is used to unfairly target people. Since blacks and Hispanics ARE the most likely to be in gangs, and gang members often "advertise" with their dress or tats, maybe that is why more blacks and Hispanics seem to be targeted. I'm not saying that it wasn't abused, but it certainly worked. The abuse is the fault of individual cops. Cops only see the bad side of humanity and they tend to be pessimistic and quick to judge, regardless of color. I live in a pretty much all white area and have worked with the cops; they go after the marginal/poor/family members of trouble makers, like ducks on a June bug, whether that person has done anything out of the way or not.

Demographics

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Not really.
Trump is a dumbfuck loose cannon.
Hillary is a snake.
So I voted for Jill Stein.

The Dems could have had my vote if they didn't rig the election for Hillary. And now they are doing it again. Biden has been pimped in the corporate media since before he threw his hat into the ring. He was "electable." He could beat Trump. Then he came in fourth and fifth. That kicked the ladder out from under that shtick. Biden is a dud. He doesn't have anything else.

The thing is that there are some candidates that the political elites don't like. They are ignored, smeared, and more. People like Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul, Cynthia McKinney, Bernie Sanders, and now Tulsi Gabbard. These people are a threat to the power establishment and must be stopped. It is interesting that Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul endorse Tulsi Gabbard.

Oh my...

Hillary, the most vilified woman in history, is "a snake." No less.

Biden has been "pimped". By the evil "corporate media".

Then you seem to look to "candidates" the "political elites don't like" (as if "like" were a political category"), and come up with a list of crackpots (partly excepting Sanders) you "like". Because "establishment" bad, and that's why you envision to vote third party, thus enabling Trump, the "dumbfuck loose cannon."

Look, there is a place for the folks you mention, not least because unorthodox ideas tend to enliven debate, even for folks like Gabbard and Trump, but that place is nowhere near the levers of power. And that is why insisting on ideological purity and an anti-establishment stance is a losing proposition, because Trump, the "dumbfuck loose cannon", stands to gain from it.

There are two types of politicians. Those who work for the people and those who work for their corporate donors.

Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard, and members of "the squad" do not take corporate money. IOW, they can't be told what to do. The establishment hates that.

Au contraire...They all can be told what to do...and would be..were they President. How far do you think Sanders would get with Congress/ LOL! Politics is the art of the possible--people seem to have forgotten that..lately.

All politicians can be influenced by corporate folks..as they must produce the pork for their district..or lose their cushy job.

The President is not a Dictator....Sanders would give us 4 more years of partisan wrangling...unless he convinced Republicans in the Senate to go along...how likely is that?

the establishment does not give a shyte..except if their pork is taken away...then they get testy!

 

[Olde Europe]

Au contraire...They all can be told what to do...and would be..were they President. How far do you think Sanders would get with Congress/ LOL! Politics is the art of the possible--people seem to have forgotten that..lately.

All politicians can be influenced by corporate folks..as they must produce the pork for their district..or lose their cushy job.

The President is not a Dictator....Sanders would give us 4 more years of partisan wrangling...unless he convinced Republicans in the Senate to go along...how likely is that?

the establishment does not give a shyte..except if their pork is taken away...then they get testy!

Yeah, true, but...

It doesn't matter which of the Democratic hopefuls enters the Oval office, the Republican all-out obstruction would be exactly the same, the "partisan wrangling" would be the same regardless of a Biden, Sanders, Warren, or Bloomberg presidency. This is not about policy for them, it's about (White) identity fielded in a raw struggle for power. You can see it in the Senate vote to acquit, when, had this been a Democratic president, every single one would have voted to convict. There is literally nothing, not the facts, certainly not science, not the law, and certainly not the Constitution standing in their way, confidently resting on the unwavering support of a Trumpish "base" that supports everything Trump, and punishes everything not-Trump.

That should tell you that, in order to get anything done, as many of these Trump sycophants as possible need to be purged from the Senate come November. Again, this isn't about "pork" - it's White identity versus "Them".

 

[Ame®icano]

Was for Joe Biden, but now leaning MB. You are correct that Joe is in free fall and I don’t see any reversal of that trend. I thought I would never vote for a businessman for president given the atrocious track record of W. and Trump, but Bloomberg at least sounds reasonable and has the best chance of taking out the the Orange scourge.

"Joe is in free fall"

In order to fall, first you have to be up.

Based on Iowa and NH, he was never up, except being hyped by media to look as contender. He was never even close.

 

[Ame®icano]

Okay, all you Trump supporters, please sit this one out. You have 500 other threads where you can scream "They are all communists!!!"

In no particular order.

Bernie Sanders - Sanders is in a strong position because he has dedicated followers. This helps a lot in a primary battle. He's leading a movement, everyone else is just running a campaign.

His weakness- he's a lot further to the left than any Democrat since McGovern. If Trump weren't the alternative, even I'd consider voting Republican. Also, his age, he's pushing 80!

Peter Buttigeig - He's young, he's dynamic. He's the only veteran in the group. (Seriously, both parties, we've just been through a 19 year war and you can't find any vets to run?) The downside. He's gay, and I'm not sure the country is ready for a gay president yet. Right now, he's benefiting from being an alternative to Bernie and Biden. But he's running fifth nationally, and you have to wonder if this is just another case of placing too much emphasis on NH and IA.

Joe Biden - He's pretty much in freefall right now. He could still pull a rally at South Carolina. Let's not forget, Bill Clinton lost both IA and NH, and still turned it around. His big strength remains that there's still a lot of good will for him in the African American community for being Obama's wingman for 8 years.

Liz Warren - Probably turned out to be too smart for the room. She had lots of good ideas, and got bogged down into arguments about her Native American heritage and whether or not Bernie said a woman couldn't
run. (Ignoring Bernie's decades of support for female candidates.)

Amy Klochabar - this is a case of someone running for Vice President. She knows she's not going to be the nominee, we know it.. She's trying to place strong enough where someone will pick her up because she's a woman from the midwest.

Mike Bloomberg - Bloomberg's big strength is that he has nearly an infinite amount of money to run. He has strong progressive creds, but also strong cred as someone who can work in a bi-partisan manner. If it comes down to him and Bernie, it would be ironic if the the top two contenders for the Democratic Nomination aren't actually Democrats.

His weaknesses - the current mood in the Democratic party is anti-plutocratic, and his stances on gun control wouldn't play well in the red states.

Tom Steyer - Um, yeah, I guess he's still in this.


Tulsi Gabbard - The Kremlin needs to ask for it's money back.

I am only posting to point out, I have seen this thread and will honor not posting about it..........

It takes real courage and self control not to post here.

 

[Ame®icano]

I am only posting to point out, I have seen this thread and will honor not posting about it..........

We know you wake up at night screaming, MIKEY BLOOMBERG IS AFTER MY GUN!!!!

That was very intelligent observation, I must say. How did you come up with it?

 

[2aguy]

Okay, all you Trump supporters, please sit this one out. You have 500 other threads where you can scream "They are all communists!!!"

In no particular order.

Bernie Sanders - Sanders is in a strong position because he has dedicated followers. This helps a lot in a primary battle. He's leading a movement, everyone else is just running a campaign.

His weakness- he's a lot further to the left than any Democrat since McGovern. If Trump weren't the alternative, even I'd consider voting Republican. Also, his age, he's pushing 80!

Peter Buttigeig - He's young, he's dynamic. He's the only veteran in the group. (Seriously, both parties, we've just been through a 19 year war and you can't find any vets to run?) The downside. He's gay, and I'm not sure the country is ready for a gay president yet. Right now, he's benefiting from being an alternative to Bernie and Biden. But he's running fifth nationally, and you have to wonder if this is just another case of placing too much emphasis on NH and IA.

Joe Biden - He's pretty much in freefall right now. He could still pull a rally at South Carolina. Let's not forget, Bill Clinton lost both IA and NH, and still turned it around. His big strength remains that there's still a lot of good will for him in the African American community for being Obama's wingman for 8 years.

Liz Warren - Probably turned out to be too smart for the room. She had lots of good ideas, and got bogged down into arguments about her Native American heritage and whether or not Bernie said a woman couldn't
run. (Ignoring Bernie's decades of support for female candidates.)

Amy Klochabar - this is a case of someone running for Vice President. She knows she's not going to be the nominee, we know it.. She's trying to place strong enough where someone will pick her up because she's a woman from the midwest.

Mike Bloomberg - Bloomberg's big strength is that he has nearly an infinite amount of money to run. He has strong progressive creds, but also strong cred as someone who can work in a bi-partisan manner. If it comes down to him and Bernie, it would be ironic if the the top two contenders for the Democratic Nomination aren't actually Democrats.

His weaknesses - the current mood in the Democratic party is anti-plutocratic, and his stances on gun control wouldn't play well in the red states.

Tom Steyer - Um, yeah, I guess he's still in this.


Tulsi Gabbard - The Kremlin needs to ask for it's money back.

I am only posting to point out, I have seen this thread and will honor not posting about it..........

It takes real courage and self control not to post here.

I am a conservative....so self control is something we appreciate.......lefties....self control isn't their thing....

 

[Ame®icano]

Typical JoeB131 ...
JB - "This is what is true, no disagreements can be made"
Other - "you are wrong because X"
JB - "You are a Trump lover, and stupid"
Other - "ok so... Fact1 ....Fact2..."
JB - You have nothing to add, Trumpbot"
Other - "and you won't discuss facts..."
JB - "THis is what is true and no disagreements can be made"

Or,

Poster: "JoeB, why are you eating shit?"
JoeB: "Well, look at rightwinger, he's drinking diarrhea! That's disgusting, shit is better!"
Poster: "JoeB, but you're eating shit, man...
JoeB: "You don't want me to eat shit, that means you like diarrhea better, you're disgusting!"
Poster: " "

 

[DBA]

I can talk about tRumplings being brain dead because they say things like "Sanders will destroy the nation quickly".

Duh.

Yes, nearly every economist in the US agrees.

Those who don't get this are the brain dead ones.

 

[Ame®icano]

If this guy was running against Trump the liberals on this board would vote for him and just say he is misunderstood.
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They would vote for any socialist that would go against Trump. Even this guy.

 

[Ame®icano]

Of your list..I like Pete..his gayness means nothing to me..and I like that he is a Vet. I doubt that he can get the Black and Hispanic votes though.

The Right will never get past the fact that he is gay..and his last name begins with Butt..never.

My problem with PB is that he is the mayor of the 4th largest city in IN. Not stunning qualifications

Well...community organizer and freshman Senator didn't exactly shine out either, now did it? Especially as it was clear to most that his Senate seat was clearly a stepping stone. Had Obama not been Black..he would have never gained the traction to win the election..and we both know it.

I like that Pete's not a boomer...and that this generation can relate to him. "No more Geezers" should be the Democratic Campaign slogan!

Didn't Bill Clinton said that Kenyan candidacy against Hillary was fantasy and something like "three years ago he would bringing us coffee"?

Buttigieg have the same secrecy around him as Barry did, nothing is known about him except for what he said about himself. Does that remind you of anyone?

 

[candycorn]

Hillary poisoned the DNC ,to the extent that they'll need a very bright star to make a comeback

JMHO.....

~S~

I don't buy that.

First, while guys like Gimper see Hillary hiding under their bed, most Democrats have moved on.

Bernie isn't even the force he used to be... he only got 25% of the vote in NH when he got 60% in 2016?

If you had to bet a nickel on who will be the nominee of the Democratic party, who would you say will be that nominee?