John Kerry...

[WillReadmore]

Seems she is saying she was for the soldiers, which she was
It was the imagery that was regretted, not her anti war views

Jane Fonda was right about the war.....Bob Hope was wrong

Bob Hope may very well have been wrong.

But Jane Fonda was a traitorous bitch.

Still is.

She will never wipe that shitstain off her face.

Bob Hope was used by the warmongers to sell the war to the American public. He was a propaganda tool to keep the war going

Jane Fonda was right about the war and her efforts helped put an end to it

We got out of Vietnam because it was crystal clear to a significant number of Americans that what we were doing was not just futile but also monumentally immoral.

Fonda was on THAT side - which was the correct side.

You can disrespect her all you want, but she was more right than you are.

I CAN understand the troops who fought in Vietnam having an incredibly difficult time with that truth. But, there isn't any question about this.

During college I lived with a couple guys who returned early due to combat wounds. They certainly weren't in favor of the disrespect military personnel all too often received (nor was I). But, neither thought we were accomplishing anything there.

There's a reason why military folk vote for the conservative candidate most every time, military folk are horribly disrespected by progressives...

Bull. Gen. Mattis is well respected. Sec. State Powell was (and is) well respected. Clinton and Obama had good relations with their generals.

I think what you mean is that the military rank and file all too often see war as some sort of solution. They want to step in and F'ing solve the problem.

The result is that when people work to prevent war, when the generals point out that a situation is wrong for the use of US troops, these rank and file just don't get it.

But, Mattis, Powell and those like them do get it.

Was war a solution in Vietnam? Libya? Iraq? Afghanistan?

Does anyone believe that war is going to solve Syria or Iran or the Israeli ethnic cleansing of West Bank and the unconscionable treatment of Gaza? Is war by the US going to solve NKorea?

We don't teach Marines that they don't have a solution!!!

But, once deeper analysis is done, generals will tell you that more Marines is usually NOT the solution, even though they are the best fighting force in the world.

The rank and file LOVED Iraq and LOVED that Bush tossed them in there! But, BFD. That was the wrong decision, regardless of what any politician said,.

 

[Rustic]

Bob Hope may very well have been wrong.

But Jane Fonda was a traitorous bitch.

Still is.

She will never wipe that shitstain off her face.

Bob Hope was used by the warmongers to sell the war to the American public. He was a propaganda tool to keep the war going

Jane Fonda was right about the war and her efforts helped put an end to it

We got out of Vietnam because it was crystal clear to a significant number of Americans that what we were doing was not just futile but also monumentally immoral.

Fonda was on THAT side - which was the correct side.

You can disrespect her all you want, but she was more right than you are.

I CAN understand the troops who fought in Vietnam having an incredibly difficult time with that truth. But, there isn't any question about this.

During college I lived with a couple guys who returned early due to combat wounds. They certainly weren't in favor of the disrespect military personnel all too often received (nor was I). But, neither thought we were accomplishing anything there.

There's a reason why military folk vote for the conservative candidate most every time, military folk are horribly disrespected by progressives...

Bull. Gen. Mattis is well respected. Sec. State Powell was (and is) well respected. Clinton and Obama had good relations with their generals.

I think what you mean is that the military rank and file all too often see war as some sort of solution. They want to step in and F'ing solve the problem.

The result is that when people work to prevent war, when the generals point out that a situation is wrong for the use of US troops, these rank and file just don't get it.

But, Mattis, Powell and those like them do get it.

Was war a solution in Vietnam? Libya? Iraq? Afghanistan?

Does anyone believe that war is going to solve Syria or Iran or the Israeli ethnic cleansing of West Bank and the unconscionable treatment of Gaza? Is war by the US going to solve NKorea?

We don't teach Marines that they don't have a solution!!!

But, once deeper analysis is done, generals will tell you that more Marines is usually NOT the solution, even though they are the best fighting force in the world.

The rank and file LOVED Iraq and LOVED that Bush tossed them in there! But, BFD. That was the wrong decision, regardless of what any politician said,.

Progressives could never know what is best for military folk in general. Because they want to control everyone that disagrees with them that includes to military. It makes for a weak country

 

[WillReadmore]

Bob Hope was used by the warmongers to sell the war to the American public. He was a propaganda tool to keep the war going

Jane Fonda was right about the war and her efforts helped put an end to it

We got out of Vietnam because it was crystal clear to a significant number of Americans that what we were doing was not just futile but also monumentally immoral.

Fonda was on THAT side - which was the correct side.

You can disrespect her all you want, but she was more right than you are.

I CAN understand the troops who fought in Vietnam having an incredibly difficult time with that truth. But, there isn't any question about this.

During college I lived with a couple guys who returned early due to combat wounds. They certainly weren't in favor of the disrespect military personnel all too often received (nor was I). But, neither thought we were accomplishing anything there.

There's a reason why military folk vote for the conservative candidate most every time, military folk are horribly disrespected by progressives...

Bull. Gen. Mattis is well respected. Sec. State Powell was (and is) well respected. Clinton and Obama had good relations with their generals.

I think what you mean is that the military rank and file all too often see war as some sort of solution. They want to step in and F'ing solve the problem.

The result is that when people work to prevent war, when the generals point out that a situation is wrong for the use of US troops, these rank and file just don't get it.

But, Mattis, Powell and those like them do get it.

Was war a solution in Vietnam? Libya? Iraq? Afghanistan?

Does anyone believe that war is going to solve Syria or Iran or the Israeli ethnic cleansing of West Bank and the unconscionable treatment of Gaza? Is war by the US going to solve NKorea?

We don't teach Marines that they don't have a solution!!!

But, once deeper analysis is done, generals will tell you that more Marines is usually NOT the solution, even though they are the best fighting force in the world.

The rank and file LOVED Iraq and LOVED that Bush tossed them in there! But, BFD. That was the wrong decision, regardless of what any politician said,.

Progressives could never know what is best for military folk in general. Because they want to control everyone that disagrees with them that includes to military. It makes for a weak country

That's too lame for words.

The military knows what is best for the military. You can't claim they are poorly represented.

And, yes, our government IS fully controlled by civilians. And, it always will be, unless you're thinking the military is planning on overthrowing the government.

 

[Rustic]

We got out of Vietnam because it was crystal clear to a significant number of Americans that what we were doing was not just futile but also monumentally immoral.

Fonda was on THAT side - which was the correct side.

You can disrespect her all you want, but she was more right than you are.

I CAN understand the troops who fought in Vietnam having an incredibly difficult time with that truth. But, there isn't any question about this.

During college I lived with a couple guys who returned early due to combat wounds. They certainly weren't in favor of the disrespect military personnel all too often received (nor was I). But, neither thought we were accomplishing anything there.

There's a reason why military folk vote for the conservative candidate most every time, military folk are horribly disrespected by progressives...

Bull. Gen. Mattis is well respected. Sec. State Powell was (and is) well respected. Clinton and Obama had good relations with their generals.

I think what you mean is that the military rank and file all too often see war as some sort of solution. They want to step in and F'ing solve the problem.

The result is that when people work to prevent war, when the generals point out that a situation is wrong for the use of US troops, these rank and file just don't get it.

But, Mattis, Powell and those like them do get it.

Was war a solution in Vietnam? Libya? Iraq? Afghanistan?

Does anyone believe that war is going to solve Syria or Iran or the Israeli ethnic cleansing of West Bank and the unconscionable treatment of Gaza? Is war by the US going to solve NKorea?

We don't teach Marines that they don't have a solution!!!

But, once deeper analysis is done, generals will tell you that more Marines is usually NOT the solution, even though they are the best fighting force in the world.

The rank and file LOVED Iraq and LOVED that Bush tossed them in there! But, BFD. That was the wrong decision, regardless of what any politician said,.

Progressives could never know what is best for military folk in general. Because they want to control everyone that disagrees with them that includes to military. It makes for a weak country

That's too lame for words.

The military knows what is best for the military. You can't claim they are poorly represented.

And, yes, our government IS fully controlled by civilians. And, it always will be, unless you're thinking the military is planning on overthrowing the government.

That's not what I said, I said progressives don't know what's best for military folk. The fact remains generally progressives are never voted for by military folk. Progressives always fuck over military folk.
If it was up to progressives we would be sucking socialist dick European style.

 

[Divine Wind]

Why?

Because LBJ did not want to be the President who allowed Vietnam to turn communist on his watch. His "experts" convinced him that they only needed a few more troops to win the thing

Answer your question "Divine Wind".?......like that's your real name

Thanks for the backpedal and admission it was the Democrats who sent our troops into Vietnam. Remember LBJ running the war from the Oval Office and handpicking the targets?

My username came from my military days for being a "gung ho" Marine who was transferred to a Navy ASW helicopter squadron. Your username, I'm sure, began as a joke and is now a lie every time you post since you are obviously a far LWer.

 

[Avatar4321]

John Kerry made a great Secretary of State negotiating a nuclear disarmament with Iran and the recognition of Cuba

Nuclear disarmament? How does that happen when you negotiate a deal to give them the nuclear material they need and lots of money?

That would have been like making leader with Hitler by giving him wmds. Mindblowingly stupid. It was stupid when Kerry proposed it in 2004. It still is

 

[rightwinger]

arrivederci, adieu, adios, good bye John Kerry. ...shame on you too.

Traitor? You are an idiot!

Letting Iran get nuclear weapons is being a traitor.

Yes.

That's why this deal was so important.

The deal allows the to get the weapons in 10 years. It allows them to inspect themselves to ensure they are not violating the agreement. How messed up in the head do you have to be to see how messed up that is?

If they reinstate their nuclear weapons program, sanctions can be reimposed

They would have to start over from scratch

 

[rightwinger]

John Kerry made a great Secretary of State negotiating a nuclear disarmament with Iran and the recognition of Cuba

Nuclear disarmament? How does that happen when you negotiate a deal to give them the nuclear material they need and lots of money?

That would have been like making leader with Hitler by giving him wmds. Mindblowingly stupid. It was stupid when Kerry proposed it in 2004. It still is

To build a nuclear weapon, you need enriched uranium. Iran gave up not only their stockpiles, but the centrifuges to enrich uranium

In return, we gave them the money we froze in retaliation for their nuclear program

 

[rightwinger]

Why?

Because LBJ did not want to be the President who allowed Vietnam to turn communist on his watch. His "experts" convinced him that they only needed a few more troops to win the thing

Answer your question "Divine Wind".?......like that's your real name

Thanks for the backpedal and admission it was the Democrats who sent our troops into Vietnam. Remember LBJ running the war from the Oval Office and handpicking the targets?

My username came from my military days for being a "gung ho" Marine who was transferred to a Navy ASW helicopter squadron. Your username, I'm sure, began as a joke and is now a lie every time you post since you are obviously a far LWer.

How many Republicans in Congress opposed the Vietnam war? Not many
In the end, it was the Democrats who began to oppose the war....Republicans are still fighting it

I doubt your divinity....I think you are lying

My name happens to be rightwinger. I was named after my maternal grandfather Rightwinger McGee, a lefthanded pitcher for the Chicago Whitesocks

 

[Divine Wind]

If they reinstate their nuclear weapons program, sanctions can be reimposed

They would have to start over from scratch

True about reimposing sanctions, but that could take weeks, if not months. Let's not forget the French and/or Russians could drag out the process for profit.

Wrong about starting from scratch. They're still allowed nuclear research but are limited on quantities and qualities. Something that could literally change overnight. Iran nuclear deal framework - Wikipedia

 

[rightwinger]

If they reinstate their nuclear weapons program, sanctions can be reimposed

They would have to start over from scratch

True about reimposing sanctions, but that could take weeks, if not months. Let's not forget the French and/or Russians could drag out the process for profit.

Wrong about starting from scratch. They're still allowed nuclear research but are limited on quantities and qualities. Something that could literally change overnight. Iran nuclear deal framework - Wikipedia

Enriching uranium is a time consuming process. It took years for Iran to reach the levels and purities they were at
It would also involve reconstituting their centrifuges, of which, many key components must be imported

 

[Divine Wind]

How many Republicans in Congress opposed the Vietnam war? Not many
In the end, it was the Democrats who began to oppose the war....Republicans are still fighting it

I doubt your divinity....I think you are lying

My name happens to be rightwinger. I was named after my maternal grandfather Rightwinger McGee, a lefthanded pitcher for the Chicago Whitesocks

Nice bullshit, "rightwinger" but anyone who can read history knows you are lying....again. The 88th Congress was 65 Democratic Senators to 35 Republicans. The House was 59% Democrats and remained dominated by Democrats for 40 years. For you to blame the Republicans for the actions of a Democratic President and a Democratic Congress is more than just a lie, it's ludicrous.

I am not "divine". The name comes from the Spartan attitude of "come home with your shield or upon it". "Do or Die".

 

[Divine Wind]

Enriching uranium is a time consuming process. It took years for Iran to reach the levels and purities they were at
It would also involve reconstituting their centrifuges, of which, many key components must be imported

Thank you for backpedaling from your bullshit that they'd have to "start over from scratch". They'd have enriched uranium, just not weapons grade.

 

[rightwinger]

How many Republicans in Congress opposed the Vietnam war? Not many
In the end, it was the Democrats who began to oppose the war....Republicans are still fighting it

I doubt your divinity....I think you are lying

My name happens to be rightwinger. I was named after my maternal grandfather Rightwinger McGee, a lefthanded pitcher for the Chicago Whitesocks

Nice bullshit, "rightwinger" but anyone who can read history knows you are lying....again. The 88th Congress was 65 Democratic Senators to 35 Republicans. The House was 59% Democrats and remained dominated by Democrats for 40 years. For you to blame the Republicans for the actions of a Democratic President and a Democratic Congress is more than just a lie, it's ludicrous.

I am not "divine". The name comes from the Spartan attitude of "come home with your shield or upon it". "Do or Die".

Went right over your head didn't it DW?

Show me the Republicans who came out as anti-war

 

[rightwinger]

Enriching uranium is a time consuming process. It took years for Iran to reach the levels and purities they were at
It would also involve reconstituting their centrifuges, of which, many key components must be imported

Thank you for backpedaling from your bullshit that they'd have to "start over from scratch". They'd have enriched uranium, just not weapons grade.

I think the point is "weapons grade"

 

[Divine Wind]

Went right over your head didn't it DW?

Show me the Republicans who came out as anti-war

Went right over your head, didn't it "righwinger"? Show me who was President and who controlled Congress and, therefore, was responsible for getting us into Vietnam. Let's drag this out as long as possible since the answer obvious. The longer it takes you to admit the truth, the bigger liar you are proved to be "rightwinger".

 

[Divine Wind]

Enriching uranium is a time consuming process. It took years for Iran to reach the levels and purities they were at
It would also involve reconstituting their centrifuges, of which, many key components must be imported

Thank you for backpedaling from your bullshit that they'd have to "start over from scratch". They'd have enriched uranium, just not weapons grade.

I think the point is "weapons grade"

The point is you were wrong in saying they'd have to "start over from scratch". Again, you have proved yourself to be dishonest.

 

[rightwinger]

Went right over your head didn't it DW?

Show me the Republicans who came out as anti-war

Went right over your head, didn't it "righwinger"? Show me who was President and who controlled Congress and, therefore, was responsible for getting us into Vietnam. Let's drag this out as long as possible since the answer obvious. The longer it takes you to admit the truth, the bigger liar you are proved to be "rightwinger".

Are you sure Divine Wind does not have something to do with heavenly farts?

Why can't you admit that Republicans supported Vietnam from the beginning and were the last to finally admit the mistake? Everyone knows LBJ escalated the war.......but for you to pin the war on Democrats you have to show where Republicans stood up and said....This is a stupid fucking war

 

[rightwinger]

Enriching uranium is a time consuming process. It took years for Iran to reach the levels and purities they were at
It would also involve reconstituting their centrifuges, of which, many key components must be imported

Thank you for backpedaling from your bullshit that they'd have to "start over from scratch". They'd have enriched uranium, just not weapons grade.

I think the point is "weapons grade"

The point is you were wrong in saying they'd have to "start over from scratch". Again, you have proved yourself to be dishonest.

You are going full retard again

Iran gave up its stockpiles of enriched uranium. They also destroyed the centrifuges needed to enrich it
This means they need to start the process over of buying new centrifuges and enriching new quantities of uranium

You whimpering about them having small quantities of experimental uranium is nonsense

 

[Divine Wind]

Are you sure Divine Wind does not have something to do with heavenly farts?

Why can't you admit that Republicans supported Vietnam from the beginning and were the last to finally admit the mistake? Everyone knows LBJ escalated the war.......but for you to pin the war on Democrats you have to show where Republicans stood up and said....This is a stupid fucking war

Translation: You are absolutely correct, DW. I cannot calmly and honestly refute you so I'll just pick my own shit and fling it along with my usual lies.

Meanwhile, for those who are honest:
Vietnam War Deaths and Casualites, by Month

Vietnam War > Events
Casualties

Republican Party Platforms: Republican Party Platform of 1968
Vietnam
The Administration's Vietnam policy has failed—militarily, politically, diplomatically, and with relation to our own people.

We condemn the Administration's breach of faith with the American people respecting our heavy involvement in Vietnam. Every citizen bitterly recalls the Democrat campaign oratory of 1964: "We are not about to send American boys 9-10,000 miles away from home to do what Asian boys ought to be doing for themselves." The Administration's failure to honor its own words has led millions of Americans to question its credibility.

The entire nation has been profoundly concerned by hastily extemporized, undeclared land wars which embroil massive U.S. armed forces thousands of miles from our shores. It is time to realize that not every international conflict is susceptible of solution by American ground forces.

Militarily, the Administration's piecemeal commitment of men and material has wasted our massive military superiority and frittered away our options. The result has been a prolonged war of attrition. Throughout this period the Administration has been slow in training and equipping South Vietnamese units both for fighting the war and for defending their country after the war is over.

Politically, the Administration has failed to recognize the entirely novel aspects of this war. The overemphasis on its old-style, conventional aspects has blinded the Administration to the fact that the issue is not control of territory but the security and loyalty of the population. The enemy's primary emphasis has been to disrupt orderly government.

The Administration has paid inadequate attention to the political framework on which a successful outcome ultimately depends. Not only has the Administration failed to encourage assumption of responsibility by the Vietnamese, but their sense of responsibility has been in fact undermined by our approach to pacification. An added factor has been a lack of security for the civilian population.

At home, the Administration has failed to share with the people the full implication of our challenge and of our commitments.

To resolve our Vietnam dilemma, America obviously requires new leadership—one capable of thinking and acting anew, not one hostage to the many mistakes of the past. The Republican Party offers such leadership.

We pledge to adopt a strategy relevant to the real problems of the war, concentrating on the security of the population, on developing a greater sense of nation-hood, and on strengthening the local forces. It will be a strategy permitting a progressive de-Americanization of the war, both military and civilian.

We will see to it that our gallant American servicemen are fully supported with the highest quality equipment, and will avoid actions that unnecessarily jeopardize their lives.

We will pursue a course that will enable and induce the South Vietnamese to assume increasing responsibility.

The war has been conducted without a coherent program for peace.

We pledge a program for peace in Vietnam—neither peace at any price nor a camouflaged surrender of legitimate United States or allied interests—but a positive program that will offer a fair and equitable settlement to all, based on the principle of self-determination, our national interests and the cause of long-range world peace.

We will sincerely and vigorously pursue peace negotiations as long as they offer any reasonable prospect for a just peace, We pledge to develop a clear and purposeful negotiating position.

We will return to one of the cardinal principles of the last Republican Administration: that American interests are best served by cooperative multilateral action with our allies rather than by unilateral U.S. action.

Our pride in the nation's armed forces in Southeast Asia and elsewhere in the world is beyond expression.

In all our history none have fought more bravely or more devotedly than our sons in this unwanted war in Vietnam.

They deserve—and they and their loved ones have—our total support, our encouragement, and our prayers.