Jordan hanged the filthy suicide whore this morning.

[Mindful]

I have a question.

Looking back on the Syrian issue: when hostilities first began, and we were supporting the rebels against Assad, was the U.S. inadvertently arming and training ISIS? But not knowing it at the time.

The US has been supporting radical Islam in the Middle East since the late 1970s, at least. Al-Qaeda rose in Afghanistan to combat the Soviet invasion with the help of the US and Pakistan. After that conflict ended, many trained jihadis were introduced into Kosovo during the early '90s.

Tunisia evicted a western-backed dictator twenty years later, kicking off the Arab Spring.

It's at least likely that arms and fighters from the Libyan conflict found their way to Syria with help from the US and its reactionary allies like Saudi Arabia and Israel.

When Obama had to back down from his Syrian "red line" in 2013 it looked as if a process set in motion decades ago was no longer capable of marshaling the necessary public support to continue. Just in time IS rose to enrage Americans and others, and give Obama the pretext he needed to continue the war on terror this time on the side of the Syrian dictator he opposed 18 months ago; in short, I don't think the word "inadvertent" applies to US support for radical Islam.

Okay then. Unintended consequences. I don't think Charlie Wilson envisaged his good intentions for the Mujahideen would turn into al_Qaeda.

 

[Mindful]

I pledge to forever shut up about US atrocities when...
... the US formally recognizes the ICC and turns Bush, Cheney and any commanding officers who ordered torture or other war-crimes over to it.

Deal?

You think this site is the Pentagon?

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

I pledge to forever shut up about US atrocities when...
... the US formally recognizes the ICC and turns Bush, Cheney and any commanding officers who ordered torture or other war-crimes over to it.

Deal?

You think this site is the Pentagon?

Its not ?

 

[georgephillip]

Yeah, it has nothing to do with their filthy water, etc. They are a 3rd world country, like most Muslim countries.

That wasn't the case prior to 1991:
"The Iraqi Baath not only built up the fifth largest army in the world and an enormous, pervasive secret police; it also transformed Iraq's physical infrastructure, its educational system, social relations, and its technology, industry, and science.

"The Baath regime provided free health and education for everyone, and it also revolutionized transport and electrified virtually every village in the country. Iraq has today a proportionately very large middle class; its intelligentsia is one of the best educated in the Arab world.5."

Iraq's status as a third world country today is due primarily to the US armed forces and the western corporations they serve.

4

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Worthy of attention, however, are the president's[Obama] words, such as the following:

"Proudly, the United States has supported democracy and human rights in Cuba through these five decades. We've done so primarily through policies that aim to isolate the island, preventing the most basic travel and commerce that Americans can enjoy anyplace else. And though this policy has been rooted in the best of intentions, no other nation joins us in imposing these sanctions and it has had little effect beyond providing the Cuban government with a rationale for restrictions on its people ... Today, I'm being honest with you. We can never erase the history between us."

One has to admire the stunning audacity of this pronouncement, which again recalls the words of Tacitus. Obama is surely not unaware of the actual history, which includes not only the murderous terrorist war and scandalous economic embargo, but also military occupation of Southeastern Cuba for over a century, including its major port, despite requests by the government since independence to return what was stolen at gunpoint -- a policy justified only by the fanatic commitment to block Cuba's economic development. By comparison, Putin's illegal takeover of Crimea looks almost benign.

Noam Chomsky A Brief History of America s Cold-Blooded Terroristic Treatment of Cuba Alternet

 

[georgephillip]

Okay then. Unintended consequences. I don't think Charlie Wilson envisaged his good intentions for the Mujahideen would turn into al_Qaeda.

Charlie's time at Annapolis would have tempered any "good intentions" with a strong dose of American Exceptionalism.
"Growing up, Wilson attended Trinity public schools and, upon graduation from Trinity High School in 1951, he attended one semester at Sam Houston State University in Huntsville, Texas, before being appointed to the United States Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland..."

"From a young age, Wilson took an interest in national security and foreign matters. Growing up during World War II encouraged Wilson to avidly read military history, including numerous articles and other literature on the war. This led Wilson to have a lifelong reverence for Winston Churchill. Wilson even took the opportunity as a child to 'keep watch' over Trinity for Japanese aerial attacks from his post in the back yard.[5]

"Wilson's early sense of patriotism and his strong interest in international affairs encouraged him to become politically active later in life."

Charlie Wilson Texas politician - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Mindful]

Okay then. Unintended consequences. I don't think Charlie Wilson envisaged his good intentions for the Mujahideen would turn into al_Qaeda.

Charlie's time at Annapolis would have tempered any "good intentions" with a strong dose of American Exceptionalism.
"Growing up, Wilson attended Trinity public schools and, upon graduation from Trinity High School in 1951, he attended one semester at Sam Houston State University in Huntsville, Texas, before being appointed to the United States Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland..."

"From a young age, Wilson took an interest in national security and foreign matters. Growing up during World War II encouraged Wilson to avidly read military history, including numerous articles and other literature on the war. This led Wilson to have a lifelong reverence for Winston Churchill. Wilson even took the opportunity as a child to 'keep watch' over Trinity for Japanese aerial attacks from his post in the back yard.[5]

"Wilson's early sense of patriotism and his strong interest in international affairs encouraged him to become politically active later in life."

Charlie Wilson Texas politician - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

How could Charlie, as a Democrat, admire Winston Churchill?

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire; and where they make a wilderness, they call it peace.
Tacitus

Read more at Tacitus Quotes- BrainyQuote

 

[Mindful]

To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire; and where they make a wilderness, they call it peace.
Tacitus

Read more at Tacitus Quotes- BrainyQuote

I don't want to.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire; and where they make a wilderness, they call it peace.
Tacitus

Read more at Tacitus Quotes- BrainyQuote

I don't want to.

You don't have t howsoever you will have to pay an extra fee....

 

[Mindful]

To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire; and where they make a wilderness, they call it peace.
Tacitus

Read more at Tacitus Quotes- BrainyQuote

I don't want to.

You don't have t howsoever you will have to pay an extra fee....

Are you on drugs?

 

[georgephillip]

How could Charlie, as a Democrat, admire Winston Churchill?

I can think of a couple of possibilities. Charlie grew up in segregated Texas during WWII with Democrats occupying the White House and Churchill serving as Prime Minister in England. Charlie would have felt a natural alliance with Winnie because of the war, and it's possible he would have admired Churchill's racist attitudes towards non- whites.

 

[Mindful]

How could Charlie, as a Democrat, admire Winston Churchill?

I can think of a couple of possibilities. Charlie grew up in segregated Texas during WWII with Democrats occupying the White House and Churchill serving as Prime Minister in England. Charlie would have felt a natural alliance with Winnie because of the war, and it's possible he would have admired Churchill's racist attitudes towards non- whites.

Churchill excelled as a wartime Prime Minister. Didn't do so well in peace time.

 

[Iceweasel]

How could Charlie, as a Democrat, admire Winston Churchill?

I can think of a couple of possibilities. Charlie grew up in segregated Texas during WWII with Democrats occupying the White House and Churchill serving as Prime Minister in England. Charlie would have felt a natural alliance with Winnie because of the war, and it's possible he would have admired Churchill's racist attitudes towards non- whites.

All someone has to do is read your thoughts and believe the exact opposite and they will have a pretty good understanding of history.

 

[RandomVariable]

Immediate Release
10 years after the war, Innocent New Lives are Still Dying and Suffering In Iraq.

Human Rights NGO publish the Report of a Fact Finding Mission on Congenital Birth Defects in Fallujah, Iraq in 2013

This year marks the tenth anniversary of the Iraq War. After the war, particularly in the most recent few years, a deeply troubling rise in the numbers of birth defects has been reported by doctors in Iraq, leading to suspicions that environmental contamination from the war may be having a significant negative effect on the health of local people, and in particular infants and children. For instance in Fallujah, the city heavily attacked by the US twice in 2004, the data of Fallujah General Hospital shows that around 15% of babies of all births in Fallujah since 2003 have some congenital birth defect.

Human Rights Now (HRN), a Tokyo based international human rights NGO in consultative status with the UNEconomic and Social Council, conducted a fact-finding mission in Fallujah, Iraq in early 2013 to investigate thesituation of the reported increasing number of birth defects in Iraq.

Today, HRN published a report over 50 pages entitled "Innocent New Lives are Still Dying and Suffering in Iraq" on this investigation.

Full Report:
http://www.brussellstribunal.org/article_view.asp?id=1016#.VNO61Z3F-Yc
Iraq Report April 2013.pdf

Appendix:

Appendix1 Iraq.pdf

Appendix2 Iraq.pdf

This is the first investigation conducted by an international human rights NGO on the congenital birth defect issue in Iraq since 2003. Despite the gravity of the situation, there has not been a sufficient investigation of the health consequences associated with toxic munitions in Iraq by the US, UK or any independent international organization such as a UN body.

It is called 'depleted uranium'. You really should learn to use Google.

 

[ChrisL]

I have a question.

Looking back on the Syrian issue: when hostilities first began, and we were supporting the rebels against Assad, was the U.S. inadvertently arming and training ISIS? But not knowing it at the time.

The US has been supporting radical Islam in the Middle East since the late 1970s, at least. Al-Qaeda rose in Afghanistan to combat the Soviet invasion with the help of the US and Pakistan. After that conflict ended, many trained jihadis were introduced into Kosovo during the early '90s.

Tunisia evicted a western-backed dictator twenty years later, kicking off the Arab Spring.

It's at least likely that arms and fighters from the Libyan conflict found their way to Syria with help from the US and its reactionary allies like Saudi Arabia and Israel.

When Obama had to back down from his Syrian "red line" in 2013 it looked as if a process set in motion decades ago was no longer capable of marshaling the necessary public support to continue. Just in time IS rose to enrage Americans and others, and give Obama the pretext he needed to continue the war on terror this time on the side of the Syrian dictator he opposed 18 months ago; in short, I don't think the word "inadvertent" applies to US support for radical Islam.

But the US was NOT supporting radical terrorists. We gave weapons and training to some Afghanis so they could fight the Russians. You are being dishonest AGAIN. Just because those "freedom fighters" turned into radicals does not mean the United States is responsible.

Also, Obama wants to do the SAME thing.

 

[ChrisL]

Immediate Release
10 years after the war, Innocent New Lives are Still Dying and Suffering In Iraq.

Human Rights NGO publish the Report of a Fact Finding Mission on Congenital Birth Defects in Fallujah, Iraq in 2013

This year marks the tenth anniversary of the Iraq War. After the war, particularly in the most recent few years, a deeply troubling rise in the numbers of birth defects has been reported by doctors in Iraq, leading to suspicions that environmental contamination from the war may be having a significant negative effect on the health of local people, and in particular infants and children. For instance in Fallujah, the city heavily attacked by the US twice in 2004, the data of Fallujah General Hospital shows that around 15% of babies of all births in Fallujah since 2003 have some congenital birth defect.

Human Rights Now (HRN), a Tokyo based international human rights NGO in consultative status with the UNEconomic and Social Council, conducted a fact-finding mission in Fallujah, Iraq in early 2013 to investigate thesituation of the reported increasing number of birth defects in Iraq.

Today, HRN published a report over 50 pages entitled "Innocent New Lives are Still Dying and Suffering in Iraq" on this investigation.

Full Report:
http://www.brussellstribunal.org/article_view.asp?id=1016#.VNO61Z3F-Yc
Iraq Report April 2013.pdf

Appendix:

Appendix1 Iraq.pdf

Appendix2 Iraq.pdf

This is the first investigation conducted by an international human rights NGO on the congenital birth defect issue in Iraq since 2003. Despite the gravity of the situation, there has not been a sufficient investigation of the health consequences associated with toxic munitions in Iraq by the US, UK or any independent international organization such as a UN body.

Yeah, it has nothing to do with their filthy water, etc. They are a 3rd world country, like most Muslim countries.

We killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens, destroyed their infrastructure forced millions into exile and brought dispossession tothem and in general we acted in an atrocious and unacceptable manner.

Again with dishonesty. MOST of those civilians were killed by insurgents and not US troops.

 

[georgephillip]

But the US was NOT supporting radical terrorists. We gave weapons and training to some Afghanis so they could fight the Russians. You are being dishonest AGAIN. Just because those "freedom fighters" turned into radicals does not mean the United States is responsible.

I know that account of the US supporting "moderate" Islamic freedom fighters is the one we are constantly receiving through the corporate press; however, historical evidence seems to show it is the radical fighters with little or no fear of death who are the most effective killers in that part of the world. In Afghanistan, for example, the US choose radical religious militants to support in spite of the fact their were other more moderate elements available. US policies in the Middle East are designed more to control the flow of natural resources than to encourage independence movements among Arab populations.

 

[ChrisL]

But the US was NOT supporting radical terrorists. We gave weapons and training to some Afghanis so they could fight the Russians. You are being dishonest AGAIN. Just because those "freedom fighters" turned into radicals does not mean the United States is responsible.

I know that account of the US supporting "moderate" Islamic freedom fighters is the one we are constantly receiving through the corporate press; however, historical evidence seems to show it is the radical fighters with little or no fear of death who are the most effective killers in that part of the world. In Afghanistan, for example, the US choose radical religious militants to support in spite of the fact their were other more moderate elements available. US policies in the Middle East are designed more to control the flow of natural resources than to encourage independence movements among Arab populations.

No, the United states didn't "choose" anyone anymore than we did in Libya or any of those other backwards ass countries. What needs to happen, is we need to let them kill each other and not get involved at all. No more aid, no more help, no weapons. Take care of your own problems. STOP asking us to help.

Also, those happened to be the people who were fighting the Russians. We didn't CHOOSE them. You would tell any lies to try to make America look bad.

 

[Mindful]

The Fight against ISIS.

Fight against ISIS needs troops to be effective Michael Morell says - CBS News