Just who are the "22 million uninsured" under the CBO findings?

[jc456]

The fact is that low income people will lose their coverage. How do we know this? The Senate plan will get rid of all of the taxes yet will reduce the deficit. The only way that can happen is if people are forced out of their coverage and cannot use the subsidies. Also the increase after 2018 in the number of people who lose insurance proves that this is not people who didn't want insurance.

Wrong. You liberalism is overriding your ability to read for comprehension again.

Right. I am not a Trump sycophant. I am a compassionate Reagan conservative. There are a few things that is right about Obamacare and I would keep it. However I would give more people the chance to choose the type of package they want. I would get rid of a lot of the bureaucracy surrounding it. I would also keep the subsidies. We need to help people get better paying jobs. That is how you reduce healthcare payments.

why is the government in our healthcare anyway? explain. They aren't in my car insurance. my home owners insurance. why health insurance?

 

[busybee01]

Remember this?
Obama and other Democrats made it sound like there were tens of millions of Americans going uninsured because cruel insurers were refusing to cover them. The Obama administration even put out a report titled
“At Risk: Pre-Existing Conditions Could Affect 1 in 2 Americans: 129 Million Could Be Denied Affordable Coverage Without Health Reform."

It was ludicrously dishonest. Here’s why.
First: prior to Obamacare, the vast majority of Americans with health insurance were already in plans that were required to offer them coverage regardless of pre-existing conditions.
Employer-based plans were required to offer coverage to everyone regardless of pre-existing conditions.
So were Medicare, Medicaid, and other government programs like the VA.
Employer- and government-based plans, prior to Obamacare, represented 90 percent of Americans with health insurance.

The other 10 percent were people buying coverage on their own, on the individual market. In most—but not all—states prior to Obamacare,
people buying coverage on their own could, in theory, be denied coverage for a pre-existing condition.

That gets us to point number two: that in practice, a tiny percentage of Americans were being denied coverage due to a pre-existing condition prior to Obamacare.
We know this in general because surveys consistently indicated that this was the case, and in detail because of an Obamacare program called the
Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan, or PCIP.
PCIP was designed to work from the years 2010 to 2014, as a bridge until Obamacare’s insurance regulations took effect.
During those years, Americans could sign up for heavily subsidized coverage under PCIP if they had documented proof that they had been denied coverage by an insurance company and had a pre-existing condition.
Suffice it to say that 129 million people didn’t sign up for the PCIP program. Indeed, not even 129 thousand people signed up for the program.
Enrollment in PCIP peaked in February 2013 at 114,959.
Thanks To Democrats, Pre-Existing Conditions Outweigh The Uninsured In The GOP Obamacare Deal

I'm going to shout now!!! ANOTHER GIGANTIC LIE FROM OBAMA:
"Up to half of all Americans have a pre-existing condition."

Obamacare covered an additional 2% of the Population (THEY WERE FORCED TO BUY INSURANCE) at the cost of 3 Trillion Dollars.

That is not true. Most of the people who lose their insurance will be low income people. It is simple logic. Cost of insurance goes up and subsidies go down. Medicare gets less money and more people lose their coverage.

What makes the (Obama appointees) CBO so smart? They were wrong about the figures in Obamacare. The dirty little secret is that ever bureaucrat appointed by Obama has a political agenda from the top on down and it includes intelligence, federal law enforcement, the budget and especially the judicial branch. It never used to be that intense but democrats have gone from being disappointed about the election to outright crazy and incoherent with hatred.

The CBO is a legislative agency. The head of the CBO was appointed by Republicans.

Most pay for themselves, hopefully we can get more people in the market and bring prices down. The ones that can pay are taken care of throw medicaid. Thinking that it's a good thing to take millions out of the health insurance market makes no sense

No, they don't pay for themselves! They don't WANT insurance because they have to pay for it. So getting them into the market means you are going to force them to buy insurance or pay a penalty. That would just be Obamacare II.

Some don't want insurance... Others can't afford it

Again.. please provide data substantiating your claim: how many don't want... how many can't afford? Please deal with facts not guesses!

I'll do some digging. In the mean time please provide your data that shows all 22 million that will lose their insurance are voluntary opt outs

well did the CBO state who the 22 million would be? if they didn't, then how can anyone answer that? Why doesn't the CBO give who those 22 million are? Because they can't because it's made up.

It is not made up. It is simple logic.. Costs go up and subsidies go down. People lose coverage.

 

[g5000]

BUT WAIT! WHY WON'T THEY BE INSURED?

Because they are poor, you fucking idiot.

 

[RDD_1210]

The fact is that low income people will lose their coverage. How do we know this? The Senate plan will get rid of all of the taxes yet will reduce the deficit. The only way that can happen is if people are forced out of their coverage and cannot use the subsidies. Also the increase after 2018 in the number of people who lose insurance proves that this is not people who didn't want insurance.

Wrong. You liberalism is overriding your ability to read for comprehension again.

Right. I am not a Trump sycophant. I am a compassionate Reagan conservative. There are a few things that is right about Obamacare and I would keep it. However I would give more people the chance to choose the type of package they want. I would get rid of a lot of the bureaucracy surrounding it. I would also keep the subsidies. We need to help people get better paying jobs. That is how you reduce healthcare payments.

why is the government in our healthcare anyway? explain. They aren't in my car insurance. my home owners insurance. why health insurance?

Because everyone needs healthcare at some point. Not everyone needs a car and not everyone buys a home. Simple enough for you?

 

[Slade3200]

Most pay for themselves, hopefully we can get more people in the market and bring prices down. The ones that can pay are taken care of throw medicaid. Thinking that it's a good thing to take millions out of the health insurance market makes no sense

No, they don't pay for themselves! They don't WANT insurance because they have to pay for it. So getting them into the market means you are going to force them to buy insurance or pay a penalty. That would just be Obamacare II.

Some don't want insurance... Others can't afford it

Again.. please provide data substantiating your claim: how many don't want... how many can't afford? Please deal with facts not guesses!

I'll do some digging. In the mean time please provide your data that shows all 22 million that will lose their insurance are voluntary opt outs

well did the CBO state who the 22 million would be? if they didn't, then how can anyone answer that? Why doesn't the CBO give who those 22 million are? Because they can't because it's made up.

I agree it should be laid out in the report. I haven't read it yet but i'll look into it. I've only heard analysis where they say the majority of the 22 million will be those excluded from Medicaid who can't afford insurance, the most impacted would be those in their 50's and those with Pre conditions who's premiums will sky rocket because they are higher risk. The younger generation will have some opt out, but that will only make premiums worse for those still in the market.

The CBO isn't fake or made up, it is a bipartisan group that does a legit analysis. It isn't always spot on which is true for most projections, but it gives an idea of where we are headed.

 

[Slade3200]

Don't confuse the issue!
The 22 million are people that bought insurance because they didn't want to pay a penalty!
NOT because they needed insurance, but because they were going to be penalized!

primarily because the penalty for not having insurance would be eliminated.

Nice try, but not even close to true. The majority of the 22 million would be people who no longer qualify for Medicad and can't afford private insurance... Also, older people who don't yet qualify for Medicare who's premiums will go up as a result of young people dropping out. On top of all this, people are still going to get sick and people are still going to get in accidents. They will still go to the hospital and need care. The more uninsured that do this the higher the medical care costs are going to get, which will in turn raise costs all around. Yes a shit storm is coming.

If you honestly think that getting millions of people off insurance is going to be a good thing because it saves a few bucks, then I suggest you reevaluate your thinking...

bull shit. it's the young people that don't want to buy insurance, it's a fking scam like the russia thingy.

So you are standing up for the rights of the young people, those just out of college, who don't even think about serious medical illness? You think it's a good thing for them not to have health insurance?

they do, it's their right. or do you think you should control them? Wow aren't you the little dictator.

Is it being a dictator to require car insurance to drive a car? How about to charge taxes to buy or sell goods and earn an income? Or charge a HOA fee to live in a residential community?

 

[jc456]

Don't confuse the issue!
The 22 million are people that bought insurance because they didn't want to pay a penalty!
NOT because they needed insurance, but because they were going to be penalized!

primarily because the penalty for not having insurance would be eliminated.

Nice try, but not even close to true. The majority of the 22 million would be people who no longer qualify for Medicad and can't afford private insurance... Also, older people who don't yet qualify for Medicare who's premiums will go up as a result of young people dropping out. On top of all this, people are still going to get sick and people are still going to get in accidents. They will still go to the hospital and need care. The more uninsured that do this the higher the medical care costs are going to get, which will in turn raise costs all around. Yes a shit storm is coming.

If you honestly think that getting millions of people off insurance is going to be a good thing because it saves a few bucks, then I suggest you reevaluate your thinking...

bull shit. it's the young people that don't want to buy insurance, it's a fking scam like the russia thingy.

So you are standing up for the rights of the young people, those just out of college, who don't even think about serious medical illness? You think it's a good thing for them not to have health insurance?

they do, it's their right. or do you think you should control them? Wow aren't you the little dictator.

Is it being a dictator to require car insurance to drive a car? How about to charge taxes to buy or sell goods and earn an income? Or charge a HOA fee to live in a residential community?

so where is the legislation that is written for that? You think everyone carries car insurance? LOL. only people who drive carry insurance.

 

[edthecynic]

primarily because the penalty for not having insurance would be eliminated.

Except that is, if course, just another Tramp lie!

 

[jc456]

Don't confuse the issue!
The 22 million are people that bought insurance because they didn't want to pay a penalty!
NOT because they needed insurance, but because they were going to be penalized!

primarily because the penalty for not having insurance would be eliminated.

Nice try, but not even close to true. The majority of the 22 million would be people who no longer qualify for Medicad and can't afford private insurance... Also, older people who don't yet qualify for Medicare who's premiums will go up as a result of young people dropping out. On top of all this, people are still going to get sick and people are still going to get in accidents. They will still go to the hospital and need care. The more uninsured that do this the higher the medical care costs are going to get, which will in turn raise costs all around. Yes a shit storm is coming.

If you honestly think that getting millions of people off insurance is going to be a good thing because it saves a few bucks, then I suggest you reevaluate your thinking...

bull shit. it's the young people that don't want to buy insurance, it's a fking scam like the russia thingy.

So you are standing up for the rights of the young people, those just out of college, who don't even think about serious medical illness? You think it's a good thing for them not to have health insurance?

they do, it's their right. or do you think you should control them? Wow aren't you the little dictator.

Is it being a dictator to require car insurance to drive a car? How about to charge taxes to buy or sell goods and earn an income? Or charge a HOA fee to live in a residential community?

why do doctors carry insurance? how about life insurance? all kinds of insurance is there a mandate to have everyone have all insurance? why health insurance. please explain.

 

[The Original Tree]

The Obama Administration took in Millions of Dollars in Obamacare fines from millions of working poor who could not pay for healthcare and instead chose to pay the fines.

That number is expected to increase exponentially over the next two years making Obamacare aka Affordable Health Care act unaffordable for Millions of Americans!

Remember this?
Obama and other Democrats made it sound like there were tens of millions of Americans going uninsured because cruel insurers were refusing to cover them. The Obama administration even put out a report titled
“At Risk: Pre-Existing Conditions Could Affect 1 in 2 Americans: 129 Million Could Be Denied Affordable Coverage Without Health Reform."

It was ludicrously dishonest. Here’s why.
First: prior to Obamacare, the vast majority of Americans with health insurance were already in plans that were required to offer them coverage regardless of pre-existing conditions.
Employer-based plans were required to offer coverage to everyone regardless of pre-existing conditions.
So were Medicare, Medicaid, and other government programs like the VA.
Employer- and government-based plans, prior to Obamacare, represented 90 percent of Americans with health insurance.

The other 10 percent were people buying coverage on their own, on the individual market. In most—but not all—states prior to Obamacare,
people buying coverage on their own could, in theory, be denied coverage for a pre-existing condition.

That gets us to point number two: that in practice, a tiny percentage of Americans were being denied coverage due to a pre-existing condition prior to Obamacare.
We know this in general because surveys consistently indicated that this was the case, and in detail because of an Obamacare program called the
Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan, or PCIP.
PCIP was designed to work from the years 2010 to 2014, as a bridge until Obamacare’s insurance regulations took effect.
During those years, Americans could sign up for heavily subsidized coverage under PCIP if they had documented proof that they had been denied coverage by an insurance company and had a pre-existing condition.
Suffice it to say that 129 million people didn’t sign up for the PCIP program. Indeed, not even 129 thousand people signed up for the program.
Enrollment in PCIP peaked in February 2013 at 114,959.
Thanks To Democrats, Pre-Existing Conditions Outweigh The Uninsured In The GOP Obamacare Deal

I'm going to shout now!!! ANOTHER GIGANTIC LIE FROM OBAMA:
"Up to half of all Americans have a pre-existing condition."

Obamacare covered an additional 2% of the Population (THEY WERE FORCED TO BUY INSURANCE) at the cost of 3 Trillion Dollars.

That is not true. Most of the people who lose their insurance will be low income people. It is simple logic. Cost of insurance goes up and subsidies go down. Medicare gets less money and more people lose their coverage.

What makes the (Obama appointees) CBO so smart? They were wrong about the figures in Obamacare. The dirty little secret is that ever bureaucrat appointed by Obama has a political agenda from the top on down and it includes intelligence, federal law enforcement, the budget and especially the judicial branch. It never used to be that intense but democrats have gone from being disappointed about the election to outright crazy and incoherent with hatred.

The CBO is a legislative agency. The head of the CBO was appointed by Republicans.

No, they don't pay for themselves! They don't WANT insurance because they have to pay for it. So getting them into the market means you are going to force them to buy insurance or pay a penalty. That would just be Obamacare II.

Some don't want insurance... Others can't afford it

Again.. please provide data substantiating your claim: how many don't want... how many can't afford? Please deal with facts not guesses!

I'll do some digging. In the mean time please provide your data that shows all 22 million that will lose their insurance are voluntary opt outs

well did the CBO state who the 22 million would be? if they didn't, then how can anyone answer that? Why doesn't the CBO give who those 22 million are? Because they can't because it's made up.

It is not made up. It is simple logic.. Costs go up and subsidies go down. People lose coverage.

 

[Slade3200]

Most pay for themselves, hopefully we can get more people in the market and bring prices down. The ones that can pay are taken care of throw medicaid. Thinking that it's a good thing to take millions out of the health insurance market makes no sense

No, they don't pay for themselves! They don't WANT insurance because they have to pay for it. So getting them into the market means you are going to force them to buy insurance or pay a penalty. That would just be Obamacare II.

Some don't want insurance... Others can't afford it

Again.. please provide data substantiating your claim: how many don't want... how many can't afford? Please deal with facts not guesses!

I'll do some digging. In the mean time please provide your data that shows all 22 million that will lose their insurance are voluntary opt outs

well did the CBO state who the 22 million would be? if they didn't, then how can anyone answer that? Why doesn't the CBO give who those 22 million are? Because they can't because it's made up.

I've only heard analysis that referred to the 22 mill being those who won't get Medicaid, those who get prices out and those who opt out

Nice try, but not even close to true. The majority of the 22 million would be people who no longer qualify for Medicad and can't afford private insurance... Also, older people who don't yet qualify for Medicare who's premiums will go up as a result of young people dropping out. On top of all this, people are still going to get sick and people are still going to get in accidents. They will still go to the hospital and need care. The more uninsured that do this the higher the medical care costs are going to get, which will in turn raise costs all around. Yes a shit storm is coming.

If you honestly think that getting millions of people off insurance is going to be a good thing because it saves a few bucks, then I suggest you reevaluate your thinking...

bull shit. it's the young people that don't want to buy insurance, it's a fking scam like the russia thingy.

So you are standing up for the rights of the young people, those just out of college, who don't even think about serious medical illness? You think it's a good thing for them not to have health insurance?

they do, it's their right. or do you think you should control them? Wow aren't you the little dictator.

Is it being a dictator to require car insurance to drive a car? How about to charge taxes to buy or sell goods and earn an income? Or charge a HOA fee to live in a residential community?

so where is the legislation that is written for that? You think everyone carries car insurance? LOL. only people who drive carry insurance.

Can you not see the point? They aren't the exact same situations but carry similar principles.

 

[Brain357]

The fact is that low income people will lose their coverage. How do we know this? The Senate plan will get rid of all of the taxes yet will reduce the deficit. The only way that can happen is if people are forced out of their coverage and cannot use the subsidies. Also the increase after 2018 in the number of people who lose insurance proves that this is not people who didn't want insurance.

Wrong. You liberalism is overriding your ability to read for comprehension again.

Right. I am not a Trump sycophant. I am a compassionate Reagan conservative. There are a few things that is right about Obamacare and I would keep it. However I would give more people the chance to choose the type of package they want. I would get rid of a lot of the bureaucracy surrounding it. I would also keep the subsidies. We need to help people get better paying jobs. That is how you reduce healthcare payments.

why is the government in our healthcare anyway? explain. They aren't in my car insurance. my home owners insurance. why health insurance?

Because costs are out of control and many can't afford it on their own.

 

[edthecynic]

The Senate plan will get rid of all of the taxes yet will reduce the deficit. The only way that can happen is if people are forced out of their coverage and cannot use the subsidies.

And then FINED when their insurance lapses MORE than the Obama penalties. The Obama "taxes" will be replaced by HIGHER Tramp fines!!!

 

[healthmyths]

No, they don't pay for themselves! They don't WANT insurance because they have to pay for it. So getting them into the market means you are going to force them to buy insurance or pay a penalty. That would just be Obamacare II.

Some don't want insurance... Others can't afford it

Again.. please provide data substantiating your claim: how many don't want... how many can't afford? Please deal with facts not guesses!

I'll do some digging. In the mean time please provide your data that shows all 22 million that will lose their insurance are voluntary opt outs

well did the CBO state who the 22 million would be? if they didn't, then how can anyone answer that? Why doesn't the CBO give who those 22 million are? Because they can't because it's made up.

I agree it should be laid out in the report. I haven't read it yet but i'll look into it. I've only heard analysis where they say the majority of the 22 million will be those excluded from Medicaid who can't afford insurance, the most impacted would be those in their 50's and those with Pre conditions who's premiums will sky rocket because they are higher risk. The younger generation will have some opt out, but that will only make premiums worse for those still in the market.

The CBO isn't fake or made up, it is a bipartisan group that does a legit analysis. It isn't always spot on which is true for most projections, but it gives an idea of where we are headed.

How many "pre-existing conditions"??? Here are FACTS about "pre-existing conditions"!

NEVER were as Obama said: "Up to half of all Americans have a pre-existing condition,"
FACTS folks: Half of All Americans would have been 160 million. Right?
WELL right away that is a bald face lie BECAUSE under employer insurance there are no PRE-EXISTING conditions!!!

FACT is it affected less then 22 million i.e. 7% that had private health insurance...

BUT WAIT how many people were refused health insurance due to Pre-existing conditions?

A total of LESS THEN 1.5 million Americans who were denied health insurance or paid higher premiums due to pre-existing conditions.
Obama's Pre-existing Conditions Whopper

finally, proof!
Now ACA had the following planre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan (PCIP), a high-risk insurance program established as a bridge between pre-Obamacare coverage and the establishment of its exchanges.

This was incredibly generous insurance to people with pre-existing conditions, far more generous than previously established high-risk pools.
There were no exclusions, no waiting periods to sign up, deductibles were as low as $1,000, and out-of-pocket maximums were less than $6,500.
I am sure many of the healthiest people reading this article wish they could get a policy like that today, let alone a person who has a serious condition in need of immediate treatment.
Yet only 115,000 people took advantage of this offer, at its highest level of enrollment.
That, again, seems like far less than 27 percent of the population, KFF.
Therefore, on the very high-end, we are talking about 1 million people, almost all of them older than 18 (since those younger than that are covered by Medicaid or the Children’s Health Insurance Program, depending on family income).

That’s also if all of these conditions are met in the maximum number of cases, meaning the true number of people to be affected will probably
be less than half a million people. While it is terrible that it’s still that many people, you are probably only looking at 0.5 of the adult U.S. population facing any chance of a potential insurance issue.
Pre-Existing Condition Tweaks Likely Affect 0.5 Percent Of Americans

 

[jc456]

The fact is that low income people will lose their coverage. How do we know this? The Senate plan will get rid of all of the taxes yet will reduce the deficit. The only way that can happen is if people are forced out of their coverage and cannot use the subsidies. Also the increase after 2018 in the number of people who lose insurance proves that this is not people who didn't want insurance.

Wrong. You liberalism is overriding your ability to read for comprehension again.

Right. I am not a Trump sycophant. I am a compassionate Reagan conservative. There are a few things that is right about Obamacare and I would keep it. However I would give more people the chance to choose the type of package they want. I would get rid of a lot of the bureaucracy surrounding it. I would also keep the subsidies. We need to help people get better paying jobs. That is how you reduce healthcare payments.

why is the government in our healthcare anyway? explain. They aren't in my car insurance. my home owners insurance. why health insurance?

Because costs are out of control and many can't afford it on their own.

can they afford car insurance and home owners insurance? I mean why the fk stop there, fk, give them your money.

 

[Slade3200]

Nice try, but not even close to true. The majority of the 22 million would be people who no longer qualify for Medicad and can't afford private insurance... Also, older people who don't yet qualify for Medicare who's premiums will go up as a result of young people dropping out. On top of all this, people are still going to get sick and people are still going to get in accidents. They will still go to the hospital and need care. The more uninsured that do this the higher the medical care costs are going to get, which will in turn raise costs all around. Yes a shit storm is coming.

If you honestly think that getting millions of people off insurance is going to be a good thing because it saves a few bucks, then I suggest you reevaluate your thinking...

bull shit. it's the young people that don't want to buy insurance, it's a fking scam like the russia thingy.

So you are standing up for the rights of the young people, those just out of college, who don't even think about serious medical illness? You think it's a good thing for them not to have health insurance?

they do, it's their right. or do you think you should control them? Wow aren't you the little dictator.

Is it being a dictator to require car insurance to drive a car? How about to charge taxes to buy or sell goods and earn an income? Or charge a HOA fee to live in a residential community?

why do doctors carry insurance? how about life insurance? all kinds of insurance is there a mandate to have everyone have all insurance? why health insurance. please explain.

Let me start of by saying I'm not a huge fan of the mandate, but I understand why they did it. I also think there are many reforms that need to be done to Obamacare including allowing catastrophic plans... As per your questions about why health insurance...

If you were walking down the street and got hit by lightning or a tree branch fell and hit you or you slipped an fell down some stairs, you would be taken to the hospital and treated. There is a requirement for our hospitals to treat people in crisis. We don't let people die in the streets in America. When somebody comes into the hospital and doesn't have insurance those costs get absorbed by others. Either the hospital absorbs the costs and care prices go up and up and up... or the family of the victim absorbs it and put their lively hood at risk (lose their house, go bankrupt, etc.)

Healthcare is a bigger beast than other forms of insurance... Do you not understand that?

 

[flacaltenn]

Don't confuse the issue!
The 22 million are people that bought insurance because they didn't want to pay a penalty!
NOT because they needed insurance, but because they were going to be penalized!

primarily because the penalty for not having insurance would be eliminated.

Nice try, but not even close to true. The majority of the 22 million would be people who no longer qualify for Medicad and can't afford private insurance... Also, older people who don't yet qualify for Medicare who's premiums will go up as a result of young people dropping out. On top of all this, people are still going to get sick and people are still going to get in accidents. They will still go to the hospital and need care. The more uninsured that do this the higher the medical care costs are going to get, which will in turn raise costs all around. Yes a shit storm is coming.

If you honestly think that getting millions of people off insurance is going to be a good thing because it saves a few bucks, then I suggest you reevaluate your thinking...

The only folks on MediCaid affected would be those covered under the EXPANSION. Which was a cynical ruse to HIDE the costs of such an expansion "in the pools".. People at 4 times the poverty level should NOT BE getting free insurance.

And most of all MEDICAID should exist as a SEPARATE ISSUE and program from Health INSURANCE reform legislation. Don't let them HIDE them Medicaid costs. They need to MANAGE the funcking program PROPERLY.....

 

[Slade3200]

The Obama Administration took in Millions of Dollars in Obamacare fines from millions of working poor who could not pay for healthcare and instead chose to pay the fines.

That number is expected to increase exponentially over the next two years making Obamacare aka Affordable Health Care act unaffordable for Millions of Americans!

Remember this?
Obama and other Democrats made it sound like there were tens of millions of Americans going uninsured because cruel insurers were refusing to cover them. The Obama administration even put out a report titled
“At Risk: Pre-Existing Conditions Could Affect 1 in 2 Americans: 129 Million Could Be Denied Affordable Coverage Without Health Reform."

It was ludicrously dishonest. Here’s why.
First: prior to Obamacare, the vast majority of Americans with health insurance were already in plans that were required to offer them coverage regardless of pre-existing conditions.
Employer-based plans were required to offer coverage to everyone regardless of pre-existing conditions.
So were Medicare, Medicaid, and other government programs like the VA.
Employer- and government-based plans, prior to Obamacare, represented 90 percent of Americans with health insurance.

The other 10 percent were people buying coverage on their own, on the individual market. In most—but not all—states prior to Obamacare,
people buying coverage on their own could, in theory, be denied coverage for a pre-existing condition.

That gets us to point number two: that in practice, a tiny percentage of Americans were being denied coverage due to a pre-existing condition prior to Obamacare.
We know this in general because surveys consistently indicated that this was the case, and in detail because of an Obamacare program called the
Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan, or PCIP.
PCIP was designed to work from the years 2010 to 2014, as a bridge until Obamacare’s insurance regulations took effect.
During those years, Americans could sign up for heavily subsidized coverage under PCIP if they had documented proof that they had been denied coverage by an insurance company and had a pre-existing condition.
Suffice it to say that 129 million people didn’t sign up for the PCIP program. Indeed, not even 129 thousand people signed up for the program.
Enrollment in PCIP peaked in February 2013 at 114,959.
Thanks To Democrats, Pre-Existing Conditions Outweigh The Uninsured In The GOP Obamacare Deal

I'm going to shout now!!! ANOTHER GIGANTIC LIE FROM OBAMA:
"Up to half of all Americans have a pre-existing condition."

Obamacare covered an additional 2% of the Population (THEY WERE FORCED TO BUY INSURANCE) at the cost of 3 Trillion Dollars.

That is not true. Most of the people who lose their insurance will be low income people. It is simple logic. Cost of insurance goes up and subsidies go down. Medicare gets less money and more people lose their coverage.

What makes the (Obama appointees) CBO so smart? They were wrong about the figures in Obamacare. The dirty little secret is that ever bureaucrat appointed by Obama has a political agenda from the top on down and it includes intelligence, federal law enforcement, the budget and especially the judicial branch. It never used to be that intense but democrats have gone from being disappointed about the election to outright crazy and incoherent with hatred.

The CBO is a legislative agency. The head of the CBO was appointed by Republicans.

Some don't want insurance... Others can't afford it

Again.. please provide data substantiating your claim: how many don't want... how many can't afford? Please deal with facts not guesses!

I'll do some digging. In the mean time please provide your data that shows all 22 million that will lose their insurance are voluntary opt outs

well did the CBO state who the 22 million would be? if they didn't, then how can anyone answer that? Why doesn't the CBO give who those 22 million are? Because they can't because it's made up.

It is not made up. It is simple logic.. Costs go up and subsidies go down. People lose coverage.

Obamacare needs many reforms to work better, the reforms should have been implemented years ago, and our congress should have been working together to make these fixes instead of playing the all or nothing blame game.

The new bill isn't going to make the situation any better, unless you're a rich dude.

 

[Slade3200]

Don't confuse the issue!
The 22 million are people that bought insurance because they didn't want to pay a penalty!
NOT because they needed insurance, but because they were going to be penalized!

primarily because the penalty for not having insurance would be eliminated.

Nice try, but not even close to true. The majority of the 22 million would be people who no longer qualify for Medicad and can't afford private insurance... Also, older people who don't yet qualify for Medicare who's premiums will go up as a result of young people dropping out. On top of all this, people are still going to get sick and people are still going to get in accidents. They will still go to the hospital and need care. The more uninsured that do this the higher the medical care costs are going to get, which will in turn raise costs all around. Yes a shit storm is coming.

If you honestly think that getting millions of people off insurance is going to be a good thing because it saves a few bucks, then I suggest you reevaluate your thinking...

The only folks on MediCaid affected would be those covered under the EXPANSION. Which was a cynical ruse to HIDE the costs of such an expansion "in the pools".. People at 4 times the poverty level should NOT BE getting free insurance.

And most of all MEDICAID should exist as a SEPARATE ISSUE and program from Health INSURANCE reform legislation. Don't let them HIDE them Medicaid costs. They need to MANAGE the funcking program PROPERLY.....

I agree

 

[healthmyths]

The Obama Administration took in Millions of Dollars in Obamacare fines from millions of working poor who could not pay for healthcare and instead chose to pay the fines.

That number is expected to increase exponentially over the next two years making Obamacare aka Affordable Health Care act unaffordable for Millions of Americans!

Remember this?
Obama and other Democrats made it sound like there were tens of millions of Americans going uninsured because cruel insurers were refusing to cover them. The Obama administration even put out a report titled
“At Risk: Pre-Existing Conditions Could Affect 1 in 2 Americans: 129 Million Could Be Denied Affordable Coverage Without Health Reform."

It was ludicrously dishonest. Here’s why.
First: prior to Obamacare, the vast majority of Americans with health insurance were already in plans that were required to offer them coverage regardless of pre-existing conditions.
Employer-based plans were required to offer coverage to everyone regardless of pre-existing conditions.
So were Medicare, Medicaid, and other government programs like the VA.
Employer- and government-based plans, prior to Obamacare, represented 90 percent of Americans with health insurance.

The other 10 percent were people buying coverage on their own, on the individual market. In most—but not all—states prior to Obamacare,
people buying coverage on their own could, in theory, be denied coverage for a pre-existing condition.

That gets us to point number two: that in practice, a tiny percentage of Americans were being denied coverage due to a pre-existing condition prior to Obamacare.
We know this in general because surveys consistently indicated that this was the case, and in detail because of an Obamacare program called the
Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan, or PCIP.
PCIP was designed to work from the years 2010 to 2014, as a bridge until Obamacare’s insurance regulations took effect.
During those years, Americans could sign up for heavily subsidized coverage under PCIP if they had documented proof that they had been denied coverage by an insurance company and had a pre-existing condition.
Suffice it to say that 129 million people didn’t sign up for the PCIP program. Indeed, not even 129 thousand people signed up for the program.
Enrollment in PCIP peaked in February 2013 at 114,959.
Thanks To Democrats, Pre-Existing Conditions Outweigh The Uninsured In The GOP Obamacare Deal

I'm going to shout now!!! ANOTHER GIGANTIC LIE FROM OBAMA:
"Up to half of all Americans have a pre-existing condition."

Obamacare covered an additional 2% of the Population (THEY WERE FORCED TO BUY INSURANCE) at the cost of 3 Trillion Dollars.

That is not true. Most of the people who lose their insurance will be low income people. It is simple logic. Cost of insurance goes up and subsidies go down. Medicare gets less money and more people lose their coverage.

What makes the (Obama appointees) CBO so smart? They were wrong about the figures in Obamacare. The dirty little secret is that ever bureaucrat appointed by Obama has a political agenda from the top on down and it includes intelligence, federal law enforcement, the budget and especially the judicial branch. It never used to be that intense but democrats have gone from being disappointed about the election to outright crazy and incoherent with hatred.

The CBO is a legislative agency. The head of the CBO was appointed by Republicans.

Again.. please provide data substantiating your claim: how many don't want... how many can't afford? Please deal with facts not guesses!

I'll do some digging. In the mean time please provide your data that shows all 22 million that will lose their insurance are voluntary opt outs

well did the CBO state who the 22 million would be? if they didn't, then how can anyone answer that? Why doesn't the CBO give who those 22 million are? Because they can't because it's made up.

It is not made up. It is simple logic.. Costs go up and subsidies go down. People lose coverage.

Obamacare needs many reforms to work better, the reforms should have been implemented years ago, and our congress should have been working together to make these fixes instead of playing the all or nothing blame game.

The new bill isn't going to make the situation any better, unless you're a rich dude.

There NEVER was a need for Obamacare as there NEVER were 46 million uninsured Americans!
Please refute these numbers OK???