Just who are the "22 million uninsured" under the CBO findings?

[The Original Tree]

Remember this?
Obama and other Democrats made it sound like there were tens of millions of Americans going uninsured because cruel insurers were refusing to cover them. The Obama administration even put out a report titled
“At Risk: Pre-Existing Conditions Could Affect 1 in 2 Americans: 129 Million Could Be Denied Affordable Coverage Without Health Reform."

It was ludicrously dishonest. Here’s why.
First: prior to Obamacare, the vast majority of Americans with health insurance were already in plans that were required to offer them coverage regardless of pre-existing conditions.
Employer-based plans were required to offer coverage to everyone regardless of pre-existing conditions.
So were Medicare, Medicaid, and other government programs like the VA.
Employer- and government-based plans, prior to Obamacare, represented 90 percent of Americans with health insurance.

The other 10 percent were people buying coverage on their own, on the individual market. In most—but not all—states prior to Obamacare,
people buying coverage on their own could, in theory, be denied coverage for a pre-existing condition.

That gets us to point number two: that in practice, a tiny percentage of Americans were being denied coverage due to a pre-existing condition prior to Obamacare.
We know this in general because surveys consistently indicated that this was the case, and in detail because of an Obamacare program called the
Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan, or PCIP.
PCIP was designed to work from the years 2010 to 2014, as a bridge until Obamacare’s insurance regulations took effect.
During those years, Americans could sign up for heavily subsidized coverage under PCIP if they had documented proof that they had been denied coverage by an insurance company and had a pre-existing condition.
Suffice it to say that 129 million people didn’t sign up for the PCIP program. Indeed, not even 129 thousand people signed up for the program.
Enrollment in PCIP peaked in February 2013 at 114,959.
Thanks To Democrats, Pre-Existing Conditions Outweigh The Uninsured In The GOP Obamacare Deal

I'm going to shout now!!! ANOTHER GIGANTIC LIE FROM OBAMA:
"Up to half of all Americans have a pre-existing condition."

Obamacare covered an additional 2% of the Population (THEY WERE FORCED TO BUY INSURANCE) at the cost of 3 Trillion Dollars.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Who are those affected?

People on SNAP and TANF and the like, for the most part, no doubt.

If true, that will impact a maximum of 6% of the White population in the US...

If true, that will impact a maximum of 28% of the Black population in the US...

The Pubs have long-since done this math...

Other than the occasional "local" mathematical aberration... it doesn't really impact the Pubs at the polls all that much, from the 30,000-foot nationwide perspective...

NO you are wrong!
"primarily because the penalty for not having insurance would be eliminated."
Do you understand?
These are people that bought insurance ONLY because they didn't want to pay the penalty for not having it!
So naturally they go ahead pay the insurance premium so they WON"T be tAXED for NOT having insurance!
What a screwed up system! Again 18 million people under 34 making over $50,000 didn't use their employers' health plan! Why because they saw no need to throw money out when they didn't have any bad experiences.
Remember Employer plans don't have "pre-existing conditions" clauses so any time any time that 18 million under 34 could sign up at the first sign of illness! Until then they didn't need their employers plan.

18 million were under 34 years, make over $50,000 and didn't WANT or need employers' health programs! Over half of them (9.7 million) in households with incomes that exceed $75,000 annually. -
http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf

Sorry! That part is not true.

Employees can only sign up during open enrollment periods unless they have a qualifying event. Getting sick is not one of them. Also, pre-existing conditions apply if you have not had continuous coverage.

I worked as benefits instructor for AT&T and that is the way every benefit I have had since works.

And THAT was at AT&T. Can you say with 100% certainty that is the way it is for ALL employer health plans?
I certainly wouldn't!

Reading comprehension failure strikes again!

As far as pre-existing conditions, I said that is the way it has worked ever since. That includes 8 different employers for me and another dozen or so for my wife and children..

As to the open enrollment requirement, that is a federal law that has been in place for decades. You can't just get sick in March and sign up for benefits if your open enrollment is for the next calendar year the following December. Until then, you have no coverage. Obamacare was the same way.

The only exception to the requirement to enroll during the open enrollment period is that you have a qualifying event, such as having a child, getting married, someone dies, etc.

YUP and doing simple internet searches seems beyond an At&T employee?

Insurance companies that sell small-employer coverage must offer it year round. However, if an employer doesn’t meet the 75 percent participation requirement, an insurance company can make the employer wait until the open enrollment period to buy coverage. The open enrollment period is from November 15 through December 15 of each year.Small Employer Health Insurance

NOTE this is a STATE of Texas EXCEPTION to Obamacare rules.

If you are a new employee you can always buy coverage when hired. You are not understanding what you are reading. The rules are from the IRS and it also applied to Obamacare. You cannot just decide you need coverage because you were diagnosed with cancer and go sign up.

 

[whitehall]

What makes the (Obama appointees) CBO so smart? They were wrong about the figures in Obamacare. The dirty little secret is that ever bureaucrat appointed by Obama has a political agenda from the top on down and it includes intelligence, federal law enforcement, the budget and especially the judicial branch. It never used to be that intense but democrats have gone from being disappointed about the election to outright crazy and incoherent with hatred.

 

[debbiedowner]

Who are those affected?

People on SNAP and TANF and the like, for the most part, no doubt.

If true, that will impact a maximum of 6% of the White population in the US...

If true, that will impact a maximum of 28% of the Black population in the US...

The Pubs have long-since done this math...

Other than the occasional "local" mathematical aberration... it doesn't really impact the Pubs at the polls all that much, from the 30,000-foot nationwide perspective...

NO you are wrong!
"primarily because the penalty for not having insurance would be eliminated."
Do you understand?
These are people that bought insurance ONLY because they didn't want to pay the penalty for not having it!
So naturally they go ahead pay the insurance premium so they WON"T be tAXED for NOT having insurance!
What a screwed up system! Again 18 million people under 34 making over $50,000 didn't use their employers' health plan! Why because they saw no need to throw money out when they didn't have any bad experiences.
Remember Employer plans don't have "pre-existing conditions" clauses so any time any time that 18 million under 34 could sign up at the first sign of illness! Until then they didn't need their employers plan.

18 million were under 34 years, make over $50,000 and didn't WANT or need employers' health programs! Over half of them (9.7 million) in households with incomes that exceed $75,000 annually. -
http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf

Sorry! That part is not true.

Employees can only sign up during open enrollment periods unless they have a qualifying event. Getting sick is not one of them. Also, pre-existing conditions apply if you have not had continuous coverage.

I worked as benefits instructor for AT&T and that is the way every benefit I have had since works.

And THAT was at AT&T. Can you say with 100% certainty that is the way it is for ALL employer health plans?
I certainly wouldn't!

Yes, he is certain you cannot sign up for group insurance if it's past open enrollment without a qualifying event.

 

[bendog]

So the MSM/Democrats have been crying about 22 million will become UNINSURED!!
OH WOE!!! CBS/ABC/NBC all lead on the CBO findings "22 million will be UNINSURED!
ONLY Fox gave a fair assessment:"While 22 million will be uninsured the FEDERAL DEFICIT WOULD BE REDUCED BY $321 BILLION!!!!

DID THE MSM LEAD WITH THAT? OF COURSE NOT! BIASED NEWS PRESENTING ONLY
WHAT THEY PERCEIVED AS THE "BAD NEWS" 22 MILLION WILL BE UNINSURED!

The Congressional Budget Office and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) have completed an estimate of the direct spending and revenue effects of the Better Care Reconciliation Act of 2017, a CBO and JCT estimate that enacting this legislation would reduce the cumulative federal deficit over the 2017-2026 period by $321 billion. That amount is $202 billion more than the estimated net savings for the version of H.R. 1628 that was passed by the House of Representatives.

CBO and JCT estimate that, in 2018, 15 million more people would be uninsured under this legislation than under current law—primarily because the penalty for not having insurance would be eliminated.
The increase in the number of uninsured people relative to the number projected under current law would reach 19 million in 2020 and 22 million in 2026.
H.R. 1628, Better Care Reconciliation Act of 2017
"primarily because the penalty for not having insurance"
BUT WAIT! WHY WON'T THEY BE INSURED?
Because they WON"T BE PENALIZED for not having insurance!
REALLY!
They won't be penalized i.e. forced to buy something they may not NEED!!!!
Again folks THERE NEVER WERE 46 million people that were legal citizens, that KNEW about Medicaid qualifications and that WANTE health insurance! IT WAS A FABRICATION!!!
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the reason you have no credibility is because you continually lie through omission. The second half of the paragraph you chose to omit provides

In later years, other changes in the legislation—lower spending on Medicaid and substantially smaller average subsidies for coverage in the nongroup market—would also lead to increases in the number of people without health insurance. By 2026, among people under age 65, enrollment in Medicaid would fall by about 16 percent and an estimated 49 million people would be uninsured, compared with 28 million who would lack insurance that year under current law.

 

[debbiedowner]

Who are those affected?

People on SNAP and TANF and the like, for the most part, no doubt.

If true, that will impact a maximum of 6% of the White population in the US...

If true, that will impact a maximum of 28% of the Black population in the US...

The Pubs have long-since done this math...

Other than the occasional "local" mathematical aberration... it doesn't really impact the Pubs at the polls all that much, from the 30,000-foot nationwide perspective...

NO you are wrong!
"primarily because the penalty for not having insurance would be eliminated."
Do you understand?
These are people that bought insurance ONLY because they didn't want to pay the penalty for not having it!
So naturally they go ahead pay the insurance premium so they WON"T be tAXED for NOT having insurance!
What a screwed up system! Again 18 million people under 34 making over $50,000 didn't use their employers' health plan! Why because they saw no need to throw money out when they didn't have any bad experiences.
Remember Employer plans don't have "pre-existing conditions" clauses so any time any time that 18 million under 34 could sign up at the first sign of illness! Until then they didn't need their employers plan.

18 million were under 34 years, make over $50,000 and didn't WANT or need employers' health programs! Over half of them (9.7 million) in households with incomes that exceed $75,000 annually. -
http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf

Sorry! That part is not true.

Employees can only sign up during open enrollment periods unless they have a qualifying event. Getting sick is not one of them. Also, pre-existing conditions apply if you have not had continuous coverage.

I worked as benefits instructor for AT&T and that is the way every benefit I have had since works.

And THAT was at AT&T. Can you say with 100% certainty that is the way it is for ALL employer health plans?
I certainly wouldn't!

Reading comprehension failure strikes again!

As far as pre-existing conditions, I said that is the way it has worked ever since. That includes 8 different employers for me and another dozen or so for my wife and children..

As to the open enrollment requirement, that is a federal law that has been in place for decades. You can't just get sick in March and sign up for benefits if your open enrollment is for the next calendar year the following December. Until then, you have no coverage. Obamacare was the same way.

The only exception to the requirement to enroll during the open enrollment period is that you have a qualifying event, such as having a child, getting married, someone dies, etc.

YUP and doing simple internet searches seems beyond an At&T employee?

Insurance companies that sell small-employer coverage must offer it year round. However, if an employer doesn’t meet the 75 percent participation requirement, an insurance company can make the employer wait until the open enrollment period to buy coverage. The open enrollment period is from November 15 through December 15 of each year.Small Employer Health Insurance

NOTE this is a STATE of Texas EXCEPTION to Obamacare rules.

Those are SHOP plans on the exchange. Also insurance companies that sell small group do offer it all year always have to my knowledge. We do in my state and have forever. Not all groups have an effective date of Jan 1.

 

[debbiedowner]

What makes the (Obama appointees) CBO so smart? They were wrong about the figures in Obamacare. The dirty little secret is that ever bureaucrat appointed by Obama has a political agenda from the top on down and it includes intelligence, federal law enforcement, the budget and especially the judicial branch. It never used to be that intense but democrats have gone from being disappointed about the election to outright crazy and incoherent with hatred.

I believe the head of the CBO is a Republican Secretary Price wanted in.

 

[whitehall]

It's estimated that the U.S. supports anywhere from ten to twenty million illegal aliens. Is it the dream of the democrat party that the hard working middle class goes broke paying for health care so that criminal illegal aliens can get it for free?

 

[debbiedowner]

It's estimated that the U.S. supports anywhere from ten to twenty million illegal aliens. Is it the dream of the democrat party that the hard working middle class goes broke paying for health care so that criminal illegal aliens can get it for free?

Anyone that applied for health insurance had to prove they were in the country legally and if they could not at the time of application either didn't get or was allowed to submit proof in 90 days, now 60 or it was cancelled immediately.

I did hear of a couple cases getting by the rules on West the first year, but they were caught. So no illegals did not get obamacare.

 

[healthmyths]

It's estimated that the U.S. supports anywhere from ten to twenty million illegal aliens. Is it the dream of the democrat party that the hard working middle class goes broke paying for health care so that criminal illegal aliens can get it for free?

Anyone that applied for health insurance had to prove they were in the country legally and if they could not at the time of application either didn't get or was allowed to submit proof in 90 days, now 60 or it was cancelled immediately.

I did hear of a couple cases getting by the rules on West the first year, but they were caught. So no illegals did not get obamacare.

Just a correction.... You had a double negative. "no illegals did not get obamacare"... two negatives make a positive.
Maybe you should have stated "Obama care did not cover any illegals"!
But is that true???
the Administration has allowed all of the nearly one million applicants who initially provided immigration information “inconsistent” with the government’s records to keep their coverage until the end of September, giving them until September 5, and then until September 30, to submit documentation verifying their legal status. (Id.; Washington Examiner, Sept. 15, 2014; State Column, Sept. 16, 2014)
According to the latest information the government has released, as of Sept. 5, 115,000 had not submitted documents and were set to lose coverage today. (Id.)

“The Obama Administration,” the Senator explained, “has been granting deadline extensions, making excuses, and turning a blind eye to falsified documents by illegal immigrants. Enough is enough, and they need to provide answers to why they think illegal immigrants should be eligible for Obamacare.”
How Many Illegal Aliens Have Received Obamacare? | ImmigrationReform.com

So your UNDOCUMENTED statement"So no illegals did not get obamacare." is not only grammatically incorrect but FACTUALLY!
"one million applicants who initially provided immigration information “inconsistent”

 

[healthmyths]

So the MSM/Democrats have been crying about 22 million will become UNINSURED!!
OH WOE!!! CBS/ABC/NBC all lead on the CBO findings "22 million will be UNINSURED!
ONLY Fox gave a fair assessment:"While 22 million will be uninsured the FEDERAL DEFICIT WOULD BE REDUCED BY $321 BILLION!!!!

DID THE MSM LEAD WITH THAT? OF COURSE NOT! BIASED NEWS PRESENTING ONLY
WHAT THEY PERCEIVED AS THE "BAD NEWS" 22 MILLION WILL BE UNINSURED!

The Congressional Budget Office and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) have completed an estimate of the direct spending and revenue effects of the Better Care Reconciliation Act of 2017, a CBO and JCT estimate that enacting this legislation would reduce the cumulative federal deficit over the 2017-2026 period by $321 billion. That amount is $202 billion more than the estimated net savings for the version of H.R. 1628 that was passed by the House of Representatives.

CBO and JCT estimate that, in 2018, 15 million more people would be uninsured under this legislation than under current law—primarily because the penalty for not having insurance would be eliminated.
The increase in the number of uninsured people relative to the number projected under current law would reach 19 million in 2020 and 22 million in 2026.
H.R. 1628, Better Care Reconciliation Act of 2017
"primarily because the penalty for not having insurance"
BUT WAIT! WHY WON'T THEY BE INSURED?
Because they WON"T BE PENALIZED for not having insurance!
REALLY!
They won't be penalized i.e. forced to buy something they may not NEED!!!!
Again folks THERE NEVER WERE 46 million people that were legal citizens, that KNEW about Medicaid qualifications and that WANTE health insurance! IT WAS A FABRICATION!!!
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the reason you have no credibility is because you continually lie through omission. The second half of the paragraph you chose to omit provides

In later years, other changes in the legislation—lower spending on Medicaid and substantially smaller average subsidies for coverage in the nongroup market—would also lead to increases in the number of people without health insurance. By 2026, among people under age 65, enrollment in Medicaid would fall by about 16 percent and an estimated 49 million people would be uninsured, compared with 28 million who would lack insurance that year under current law.

How can I lie about something that people DON"T WANT?
18 million people under 34 don't want or need health insurance! Most of them have medical savings accounts which are extremely easy,handy tax free!
10 million or MORE of the estimated 49 million are illegal aliens! AGAIN NOT to be covered by health insurance LEGALLY!
Finally as I've proven over and over again... 14 million people didn't know they were eligible for Medicaid!
Blue Cross and Blue Shield Association contracted with the Actuarial Research Corporation (ARC) to provide a detailed analysis of the uninsured identified by the Census Bureau, which found:
Nearly one-third were reachable through public programs, such as Medicaid and the SCHIP program for children
(Let's see... 1/3 of 44.7 million is wow... 14 million!!! )

Now as it turns out:
an estimated 4.9 million individuals now enrolled in Medicaid were previously eligible for the program
How Many Are Newly Insured as a Result of the ACA? - AAF

Again tell me where these "49 million uninsured" come from?
Want to insure the 10 million PLUS illegals is that OK with you?
How about Medicaid stepping up their efforts to get the remaining 9 million as they have already 4.9 million on Medicaid that QUALIFIED BEFORE Obamacare!
Finally again back to the 18 million under 34 that don't want or need! FINE almost all of them are OK with their status and never wanted to be penalized for
being smarter with their money then the stupid ass Obama regime!

 

[Slade3200]

Don't confuse the issue!
The 22 million are people that bought insurance because they didn't want to pay a penalty!
NOT because they needed insurance, but because they were going to be penalized!

primarily because the penalty for not having insurance would be eliminated.

Nice try, but not even close to true. The majority of the 22 million would be people who no longer qualify for Medicad and can't afford private insurance... Also, older people who don't yet qualify for Medicare who's premiums will go up as a result of young people dropping out. On top of all this, people are still going to get sick and people are still going to get in accidents. They will still go to the hospital and need care. The more uninsured that do this the higher the medical care costs are going to get, which will in turn raise costs all around. Yes a shit storm is coming.

If you honestly think that getting millions of people off insurance is going to be a good thing because it saves a few bucks, then I suggest you reevaluate your thinking...

Who pays for those 22 million people to get care? The people that are paying for those 22 million people cannot possibly afford that. So they are bankrupt now…

Most pay for themselves, hopefully we can get more people in the market and bring prices down. The ones that can pay are taken care of throw medicaid. Thinking that it's a good thing to take millions out of the health insurance market makes no sense

No, they don't pay for themselves! They don't WANT insurance because they have to pay for it. So getting them into the market means you are going to force them to buy insurance or pay a penalty. That would just be Obamacare II.

Some don't want insurance... Others can't afford it

 

[healthmyths]

Also noted above Obamacare bragging
The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) recently announced that 20 million people are newly insured as a result of the Affordable Care Act (ACA).https://www.americanactionforum.org/insight/20-million/#_edn1
How Many Are Newly Insured as a Result of the ACA? - AAF

A) Reality: an estimated 4.9 million individuals now enrolled in Medicaid were previously eligible for the program
How Many Are Newly Insured as a Result of the ACA? - AAF

B) Reality come to found nearly 1 million are questionable regarding their immigration status!
For months, the Administration has delayed revoking coverage under the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) to aliens who cannot establish their lawful presence. (Washington Times, Sept. 22, 2014) While the original deadline to sign up for coverage for the year was March 31, 2014, for the past six months, the Administration has allowed all of the nearly one million applicants who initially provided immigration information “inconsistent” with the government’s records to keep their coverage until the end of September, giving them until September 5, and then until September 30, to submit documentation verifying their legal status. (Id.; Washington Examiner, Sept. 15, 2014; State Column, Sept. 16, 2014) According to the latest information the government has released, as of Sept. 5, 115,000 had not submitted documents and were set to lose coverage today. (Id.)
How Many Illegal Aliens Have Received Obamacare? | ImmigrationReform.com

 

[healthmyths]

Don't confuse the issue!
The 22 million are people that bought insurance because they didn't want to pay a penalty!
NOT because they needed insurance, but because they were going to be penalized!

primarily because the penalty for not having insurance would be eliminated.

Nice try, but not even close to true. The majority of the 22 million would be people who no longer qualify for Medicad and can't afford private insurance... Also, older people who don't yet qualify for Medicare who's premiums will go up as a result of young people dropping out. On top of all this, people are still going to get sick and people are still going to get in accidents. They will still go to the hospital and need care. The more uninsured that do this the higher the medical care costs are going to get, which will in turn raise costs all around. Yes a shit storm is coming.

If you honestly think that getting millions of people off insurance is going to be a good thing because it saves a few bucks, then I suggest you reevaluate your thinking...

Who pays for those 22 million people to get care? The people that are paying for those 22 million people cannot possibly afford that. So they are bankrupt now…

Most pay for themselves, hopefully we can get more people in the market and bring prices down. The ones that can pay are taken care of throw medicaid. Thinking that it's a good thing to take millions out of the health insurance market makes no sense

No, they don't pay for themselves! They don't WANT insurance because they have to pay for it. So getting them into the market means you are going to force them to buy insurance or pay a penalty. That would just be Obamacare II.

Some don't want insurance... Others can't afford it

Again.. please provide data substantiating your claim: how many don't want... how many can't afford? Please deal with facts not guesses!

 

[jc456]

Don't confuse the issue!
The 22 million are people that bought insurance because they didn't want to pay a penalty!
NOT because they needed insurance, but because they were going to be penalized!

primarily because the penalty for not having insurance would be eliminated.

Nice try, but not even close to true. The majority of the 22 million would be people who no longer qualify for Medicad and can't afford private insurance... Also, older people who don't yet qualify for Medicare who's premiums will go up as a result of young people dropping out. On top of all this, people are still going to get sick and people are still going to get in accidents. They will still go to the hospital and need care. The more uninsured that do this the higher the medical care costs are going to get, which will in turn raise costs all around. Yes a shit storm is coming.

If you honestly think that getting millions of people off insurance is going to be a good thing because it saves a few bucks, then I suggest you reevaluate your thinking...

bull shit. it's the young people that don't want to buy insurance, it's a fking scam like the russia thingy.

 

[Slade3200]

Nice try, but not even close to true. The majority of the 22 million would be people who no longer qualify for Medicad and can't afford private insurance... Also, older people who don't yet qualify for Medicare who's premiums will go up as a result of young people dropping out. On top of all this, people are still going to get sick and people are still going to get in accidents. They will still go to the hospital and need care. The more uninsured that do this the higher the medical care costs are going to get, which will in turn raise costs all around. Yes a shit storm is coming.

If you honestly think that getting millions of people off insurance is going to be a good thing because it saves a few bucks, then I suggest you reevaluate your thinking...

Who pays for those 22 million people to get care? The people that are paying for those 22 million people cannot possibly afford that. So they are bankrupt now…

Most pay for themselves, hopefully we can get more people in the market and bring prices down. The ones that can pay are taken care of throw medicaid. Thinking that it's a good thing to take millions out of the health insurance market makes no sense

No, they don't pay for themselves! They don't WANT insurance because they have to pay for it. So getting them into the market means you are going to force them to buy insurance or pay a penalty. That would just be Obamacare II.

Some don't want insurance... Others can't afford it

Again.. please provide data substantiating your claim: how many don't want... how many can't afford? Please deal with facts not guesses!

I'll do some digging. In the mean time please provide your data that shows all 22 million that will lose their insurance are voluntary opt outs

 

[Slade3200]

Don't confuse the issue!
The 22 million are people that bought insurance because they didn't want to pay a penalty!
NOT because they needed insurance, but because they were going to be penalized!

primarily because the penalty for not having insurance would be eliminated.

Nice try, but not even close to true. The majority of the 22 million would be people who no longer qualify for Medicad and can't afford private insurance... Also, older people who don't yet qualify for Medicare who's premiums will go up as a result of young people dropping out. On top of all this, people are still going to get sick and people are still going to get in accidents. They will still go to the hospital and need care. The more uninsured that do this the higher the medical care costs are going to get, which will in turn raise costs all around. Yes a shit storm is coming.

If you honestly think that getting millions of people off insurance is going to be a good thing because it saves a few bucks, then I suggest you reevaluate your thinking...

bull shit. it's the young people that don't want to buy insurance, it's a fking scam like the russia thingy.

So you are standing up for the rights of the young people, those just out of college, who don't even think about serious medical illness? You think it's a good thing for them not to have health insurance?

 

[jc456]

Who pays for those 22 million people to get care? The people that are paying for those 22 million people cannot possibly afford that. So they are bankrupt now…

Most pay for themselves, hopefully we can get more people in the market and bring prices down. The ones that can pay are taken care of throw medicaid. Thinking that it's a good thing to take millions out of the health insurance market makes no sense

No, they don't pay for themselves! They don't WANT insurance because they have to pay for it. So getting them into the market means you are going to force them to buy insurance or pay a penalty. That would just be Obamacare II.

Some don't want insurance... Others can't afford it

Again.. please provide data substantiating your claim: how many don't want... how many can't afford? Please deal with facts not guesses!

I'll do some digging. In the mean time please provide your data that shows all 22 million that will lose their insurance are voluntary opt outs

well did the CBO state who the 22 million would be? if they didn't, then how can anyone answer that? Why doesn't the CBO give who those 22 million are? Because they can't because it's made up.

 

[jc456]

Don't confuse the issue!
The 22 million are people that bought insurance because they didn't want to pay a penalty!
NOT because they needed insurance, but because they were going to be penalized!

primarily because the penalty for not having insurance would be eliminated.

Nice try, but not even close to true. The majority of the 22 million would be people who no longer qualify for Medicad and can't afford private insurance... Also, older people who don't yet qualify for Medicare who's premiums will go up as a result of young people dropping out. On top of all this, people are still going to get sick and people are still going to get in accidents. They will still go to the hospital and need care. The more uninsured that do this the higher the medical care costs are going to get, which will in turn raise costs all around. Yes a shit storm is coming.

If you honestly think that getting millions of people off insurance is going to be a good thing because it saves a few bucks, then I suggest you reevaluate your thinking...

bull shit. it's the young people that don't want to buy insurance, it's a fking scam like the russia thingy.

So you are standing up for the rights of the young people, those just out of college, who don't even think about serious medical illness? You think it's a good thing for them not to have health insurance?

they do, it's their right. or do you think you should control them? Wow aren't you the little dictator.

 

[busybee01]

The fact is that low income people will lose their coverage. How do we know this? The Senate plan will get rid of all of the taxes yet will reduce the deficit. The only way that can happen is if people are forced out of their coverage and cannot use the subsidies. Also the increase after 2018 in the number of people who lose insurance proves that this is not people who didn't want insurance.

Wrong. You liberalism is overriding your ability to read for comprehension again.

Right. I am not a Trump sycophant. I am a compassionate Reagan conservative. There are a few things that is right about Obamacare and I would keep it. However I would give more people the chance to choose the type of package they want. I would get rid of a lot of the bureaucracy surrounding it. I would also keep the subsidies. We need to help people get better paying jobs. That is how you reduce healthcare payments.