Justice Roberts second guesses policy making decision on census, violates separation of powers

[busybee01]

Except that legislative power had nothing to do with anything here.

Uhhh. Yes. It does.

It is the Congress legislative power to determine if a census question on citizenship is legal. And POTUS's power to sign or veto it. Not the SCOTUS's.

You're kidding right?

It is scotus's job to determine constitutionality, no one else's.

Liberal district courts, especially the 9th, have to stop trying to run our country. Every single time some crybaby liberal fuck and their ACLU lawyers run to the socialist or homosexual judges on the 9th, they spew forth the biggest bullshit opinions in history.

It is the so-called conservatives on the court who are extremists. They are ruining the country.

What are they "extreme" about, respecting the Constitution?

They do not care about the Constitution. They are legislating from the bench. They are extremists.

 

[bripat9643]

It appears with all the noise about the question “Is this person a citizen of the United States?” we are overlooking Justice Roberts has usurped legislative power by second guessing a legitimate policy making decision.

Except that legislative power had nothing to do with anything here.

Except for the power of House Democrats and their communist media puppets to obstruct, delay, make false claims and straw man arguments to mislead public.

We have the garbage of Trump and the Republican party and their propagandists who seek to ignore the Constitutional restraints on a President, make false claims and straw man arguments to mislead the public. Except the public is not as stupid as you are and that is why they disapprove of Trump's policies.

What "constitutional constraints" seeking to ignore?

The Constitution gives Congress the power of the purse. Congress has every right to provide oversight over the Executive Branch which includes the President. The Congress has to authorize military action by the President.

Trump hasn't violated any such constraint.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Loon, adding the question if one is a citizen or not does not determine the legal status of non-U.S. citizens.

Try harder next time.

Retard.

The census is to determine the representation for the CITIZENS of the nation. Your flaccid non sequitur notwithstanding.

Citizens and legal residents. Indians non-taxed and slaves may not have been considered citizens but they were legal residents. Illegal aliens are just that. Illegal aliens. They are foreigners. They should not be in the country, let alone determine representation in the Congress. Faun lives with his head up his ass.

LOLOL

You poor thing, you're truly fucking demented. I never said illegals should be entitled to representation.

Unfortunately, you're not the only slobbering idiot in the Democrat party. There are way too many who believe exactly that.

Good, then bitch to those who express the bullshit you post and leave me out of your demented rants.

Fucking lying fawn, psychopath Stalinist making an utter fool of himself again. It's not your faultg, you have the brains of a house plant and just spew shit fed to you by the leftist hate sites.


{First off, it is important to know that the House of Representatives are numbered based on the number of constituents in their state. The same goes for the Electoral College. Since these two very important groups of people are based on the number of constituents in each state, a count must be taken every ten years to determine how many people there actually are in each state, and in the United States in total. This is what the purpose of the U.S. Census is for. On every year that ends with a 0, an official count is taken of the number of people in each state. For all of the years in between, trends are used to make estimations and projections about the number of people there are.}



Fucking lying fawn, such a complete clown....

 

[Uncensored2008]

Citizens and legal residents. Indians non-taxed and slaves may not have been considered citizens but they were legal residents. Illegal aliens are just that. Illegal aliens. They are foreigners. They should not be in the country, let alone determine representation in the Congress. Faun lives with his head up his ass.

LOLOL

You poor thing, you're truly fucking demented. I never said illegals should be entitled to representation.

Unfortunately, you're not the only slobbering idiot in the Democrat party. There are way too many who believe exactly that.

Good, then bitch to those who express the bullshit you post and leave me out of your demented rants.

Gracious of you to admit that you have nothing worthwhile to say here, you worthless sniveling turd.

LOL

Sadly, your dementia continues.

Fucking lying fawn, too stupid to grasp when he should whimper off with his tail between his legs...

 

[Uncensored2008]

Skewing the results defeats the purpose of the census. It's just another example of republicans targeting democracy itself because they think it is against them.

It defeats the goals of your evil party.

The purpose of the census is to determine representation. Illegals are not citizens and have no representation outside of the consulate of their governments.

Loon, adding the question if one is a citizen or not does not determine the legal status of non-U.S. citizens.

Try harder next time.

Retard.

The census is to determine the representation for the CITIZENS of the nation. Your flaccid non sequitur notwithstanding.

Citizens and legal residents. Indians non-taxed and slaves may not have been considered citizens but they were legal residents. Illegal aliens are just that. Illegal aliens. They are foreigners. They should not be in the country, let alone determine representation in the Congress. Faun lives with his head up his ass.

A good case can be made for using the total number of people in a state in determining distribution of federal funds. The number of people in the state is a major cost factor of government. Regardless of the make up of the population, citizens, tourists, legal immigrants or illegal immigrants, the state costs depends on the total number of people. The state must provide law enforcement, emergency services, education, transportation, and public facilities such parks and recreation.

Yet, NOT what was done by the founding fathers. Indians were not used for allocation of funds or representation, slaves were counted as 3/5ths.

It serves the Stalinists to have illegal aliens queer the representation of the nation.

 

[Dragonlady]

Republicans fucked themselves on this by using any excuse to justify the question and acting as if the idea of a deliberate under-count of the census never occurred to them. No one likes to be bullshitted to their face.

Nobody said anything never occurred to them.

The point you ignore is that it's a legitimate question.

NO IT'S NOT. The question has not legitimate purpose on the census. Voting rights was and is a red herring.

 

[Uncensored2008]

That is not true. Deduction of state taxes has nothing to do with what you pay in federal taxes. Even Mark Levin has called that argument ridiculous. One reason that red states pay more in federal taxes is because they generally have higher incomes than red states.

Oh really retard?

Now why would someone deduct state and local taxes if it "has nothing to do with what you pay in federal taxes?"

Well, because you're just flat out lying - Communist!

The SALT deduction directly lowers federal tax burden. This is why the leftists in the coastal states threw such a fit over tax reform, the massive welfare they got from the Red States was vanishing, no more can New York State taxes be shifted onto the backs of people in Idaho.

The fact is whatever a person deducts from their taxes for state and local taxes does not affect what another person in another state pays in terms of federal taxes. Please give us the applicable law.

Ohhh, move those goal posts commie fuck.

The FACT is that the coastal elites have been on welfare from the American states for decades. The portion of taxes paid by the leftist states was SEVERELY lowered by SALT deductions. People in Montana at a certain income paid 32% of their income, but those in New York with the same income only paid 12% - because they deducted the 20% they paid to New York.

Enough of the Welfare leaches in the leftist states. Fuck em' pay your own taxes.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Republicans fucked themselves on this by using any excuse to justify the question and acting as if the idea of a deliberate under-count of the census never occurred to them. No one likes to be bullshitted to their face.

Nobody said anything never occurred to them.

The point you ignore is that it's a legitimate question.

NO IT'S NOT. The question has not legitimate purpose on the census. Voting rights was and is a red herring.

Lie some more scumbag.

You Communists seek to destroy what it means to be a United States Citizen.

I get it, you see yourself as a "citizen of the world" and don't give a fuck about America.

 

[OKTexas]

Well it doesn't much matter anymore because trump the pussy grabbed himself and bailed on adding the question.

Yep. He says, he's going to get the information from data sources in goverment which means surveys of selected groups done every few years by the census bureau and customs and immigration records. In other words, we will have the same information we have now. It's not exact but we really don't need to know exactly how many non-citizens there are in the country.

Actually we do need to know how many non-citizens live in the country and where. Some federal programs are not available to non-citizens, legal or not, knowing aids in the allocation of resources.

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I don't see how knowing the number of non-citizens would be of much help in allocating resources for federal programs. Federal programs that exclude non-citizens are funded based on usage, not numbers in the program.

Assuming you're correct, knowing would still help congress in the budgeting process.

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I don't see how. The president's budget that is sent to congress for almost all the social programs are in the non-discretionary section. The numbers come from last years costs adjusted according statutes. I don't see how the number of citizens in a state would make any difference.

You do realize that the government already has counts of the number of citizens from previous surveys.

Really, there were 3.85 million new citizens born just last year, another 756,000 were naturalized? How did they count them?

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[OKTexas]

Republicans fucked themselves on this by using any excuse to justify the question and acting as if the idea of a deliberate under-count of the census never occurred to them. No one likes to be bullshitted to their face.

Wrong. You didn't get the point of the OP. It doesn't matter what their motives are. It's not the Court's job to judge motives or wisdom behind any act of government.

It is the Court's job to prevent the corruption of the Constitution. This was a attempt to corrupt the census. They are well within their rights to do so you corrupt bastard.

"fighting corruption" appears nowhere in the SC's job description.

They have every right to ensure the Constitution is not corrupted. Tell me where it says they don't.

The court said the question was legal and constitutional, how is that corrupt?

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[OKTexas]

It appears with all the noise about the question “Is this person a citizen of the United States?” we are overlooking Justice Roberts has usurped legislative power by second guessing a legitimate policy making decision.

Except that legislative power had nothing to do with anything here.

Except for the power of House Democrats and their communist media puppets to obstruct, delay, make false claims and straw man arguments to mislead public.

We have the garbage of Trump and the Republican party and their propagandists who seek to ignore the Constitutional restraints on a President, make false claims and straw man arguments to mislead the public. Except the public is not as stupid as you are and that is why they disapprove of Trump's policies.

What "constitutional constraints" seeking to ignore?

The Constitution gives Congress the power of the purse. Congress has every right to provide oversight over the Executive Branch which includes the President. The Congress has to authorize military action by the President.

Yet no appropriations law takes effect without the signature of the president, go figure. LMAO

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[Uncensored2008]

Yep. He says, he's going to get the information from data sources in goverment which means surveys of selected groups done every few years by the census bureau and customs and immigration records. In other words, we will have the same information we have now. It's not exact but we really don't need to know exactly how many non-citizens there are in the country.

Actually we do need to know how many non-citizens live in the country and where. Some federal programs are not available to non-citizens, legal or not, knowing aids in the allocation of resources.

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I don't see how knowing the number of non-citizens would be of much help in allocating resources for federal programs. Federal programs that exclude non-citizens are funded based on usage, not numbers in the program.

Assuming you're correct, knowing would still help congress in the budgeting process.

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I don't see how. The president's budget that is sent to congress for almost all the social programs are in the non-discretionary section. The numbers come from last years costs adjusted according statutes. I don't see how the number of citizens in a state would make any difference.

You do realize that the government already has counts of the number of citizens from previous surveys.

Really, there were 3.85 million new citizens born just last year, another 756,000 were naturalized? How did they count them?

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Hospital and DHS records.

The problem is that in the same period of time, 6 million more illegal aliens were ushered into the country by the democrats.

 

[Diver Diva]

Roberts is a typical swamp creature who is more concerned with his standing in the elitist globalist D.C. cocktail party circuit than he is with the Constitution.

 

[johnwk]

That’s true but not answering the citizen question can subject you to fine. Answering the question yes for residents who may not be citizen can mean jail time. Answer no means the person may be illegal. The simplistic solution is just to not respond which means no one in the resident is counted.


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That's a poor excuse. People should know if they're a citizen or not.

Yes, the individual knows but remember the census is by residence, not by individual. The residence may contain large families or multiple families, boarders, people that are near strangers or it may be a homeless shelter, a halfway house, a migrant camp, etc. In migrant neighborhoods, you don't ask people about their immigration status and any survey that does is not likely to yield accurate results.

Democrats aren't concerned about the accuracy of the of citizenship question but whether the question will cause some residencies not to respond at all to the census, thus losing the count of everyone at that residence. Although there is a legal requirement to respond to the census, a good count depends voluntary cooperation of everyone.

Well it doesn't much matter anymore because trump the pussy grabbed himself and bailed on adding the question.

Yep. He says, he's going to get the information from data sources in goverment which means surveys of selected groups done every few years by the census bureau and customs and immigration records. In other words, we will have the same information we have now. It's not exact but we really don't need to know exactly how many non-citizens there are in the country.

Actually we do need to know how many non-citizens live in the country and where. Some federal programs are not available to non-citizens, legal or not, knowing aids in the allocation of resources.

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Not only that, but the Second Section of the 14 Amendment actually requires a determination to be made of "citizens" in order to carry out the formula with regard to apportionment. But hey, our communists and socialists detest with a passion the very purposes for which the rule of apportionment was agreed to, and was intended to require each state's number of representatives to be apportioned according to its population size, and, likewise determine each state's share of our federal tax burden to be proportionately equal to its number of representatives in Congress.

While communists and socialist embraced the rule of apportionment being applied to representation, they detest with a passion the same rule being applied to determine their state's share of our federal tax burden.

And now, California is expected to get two or three additional seats in Congress because if has lured hundreds of thousands of illegal border crossers into its state, but will not pay a proportional share of our federal tax burden equal to its representation in Congress. Madison was absolutely correct regarding the validity of the rule of apportionment being applied to representation and taxation:

“Were” the various States’ “share of representation alone to be governed by this rule, they would have an interest in exaggerating their inhabitants. Were the rule to decide their share of taxation alone, a contrary temptation would prevail. By extending the rule to both objects, the States will have opposite interests, which will control and balance each other, and produce the requisite impartiality.” See Federalist No. 54


For an example of this apportioned tax see an Act laying a direct tax for $3 million in which the rule of apportionment is applied.



And then see Section 7 of the direct tax of 1813 allowing states to pay their respective quotas and be entitled to certain deductions in meeting their payment on time.


While our communist and socialist government school teachers have enthusiastically taught innocent and impressionable children the virtues of our Constitution protecting one man, one vote, they have intentionally ignored and refuse to teach their student the value of one vote, one dollar and the reasons why our founders tied both representation and taxation by population size, which would have a sobering financial effect in that each state would be held accountable for the free cheese their congressional members vote for, and would receive a bill for their state to pay an apportioned share of the free cheese tab they vote for.

JWK

“The apportionment of representation and taxation by the same scale is just; it removes the objection, that, while Virginia paid one sixth part of the expenses of the Union, she had no more weight in public counsels than Delaware, which paid but a very small portion”3 Elliot’s 41

 

[Faun]

Retard.

The census is to determine the representation for the CITIZENS of the nation. Your flaccid non sequitur notwithstanding.

Citizens and legal residents. Indians non-taxed and slaves may not have been considered citizens but they were legal residents. Illegal aliens are just that. Illegal aliens. They are foreigners. They should not be in the country, let alone determine representation in the Congress. Faun lives with his head up his ass.

LOLOL

You poor thing, you're truly fucking demented. I never said illegals should be entitled to representation.

Unfortunately, you're not the only slobbering idiot in the Democrat party. There are way too many who believe exactly that.

Good, then bitch to those who express the bullshit you post and leave me out of your demented rants.

Fucking lying fawn, psychopath Stalinist making an utter fool of himself again. It's not your faultg, you have the brains of a house plant and just spew shit fed to you by the leftist hate sites.


{First off, it is important to know that the House of Representatives are numbered based on the number of constituents in their state. The same goes for the Electoral College. Since these two very important groups of people are based on the number of constituents in each state, a count must be taken every ten years to determine how many people there actually are in each state, and in the United States in total. This is what the purpose of the U.S. Census is for. On every year that ends with a 0, an official count is taken of the number of people in each state. For all of the years in between, trends are used to make estimations and projections about the number of people there are.}



Fucking lying fawn, such a complete clown....

Sadly, you're beyond senile with no hope of ever returning to reality.

The Constitution actually says "counting the whole number of persons in each State," not the the whole number of constituents in each State.

That you're incapable of comprehending basic English is your problem to deal with, not mine.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Citizens and legal residents. Indians non-taxed and slaves may not have been considered citizens but they were legal residents. Illegal aliens are just that. Illegal aliens. They are foreigners. They should not be in the country, let alone determine representation in the Congress. Faun lives with his head up his ass.

LOLOL

You poor thing, you're truly fucking demented. I never said illegals should be entitled to representation.

Unfortunately, you're not the only slobbering idiot in the Democrat party. There are way too many who believe exactly that.

Good, then bitch to those who express the bullshit you post and leave me out of your demented rants.

Fucking lying fawn, psychopath Stalinist making an utter fool of himself again. It's not your faultg, you have the brains of a house plant and just spew shit fed to you by the leftist hate sites.


{First off, it is important to know that the House of Representatives are numbered based on the number of constituents in their state. The same goes for the Electoral College. Since these two very important groups of people are based on the number of constituents in each state, a count must be taken every ten years to determine how many people there actually are in each state, and in the United States in total. This is what the purpose of the U.S. Census is for. On every year that ends with a 0, an official count is taken of the number of people in each state. For all of the years in between, trends are used to make estimations and projections about the number of people there are.}



Fucking lying fawn, such a complete clown....

Sadly, you're beyond senile with no hope of ever returning to reality.

The Constitution actually says "counting the whole number of persons in each State," not the the whole number of constituents in each State.

That you're incapable of comprehending basic English is your problem to deal with, not mine.

Fucking lying fawn, spewing bullshit again.

{Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.}

That's from something called "The United States Constitution."

You've never been exposed to it.

 

[Flopper]

It defeats the goals of your evil party.

The purpose of the census is to determine representation. Illegals are not citizens and have no representation outside of the consulate of their governments.

Loon, adding the question if one is a citizen or not does not determine the legal status of non-U.S. citizens.

Try harder next time.

Retard.

The census is to determine the representation for the CITIZENS of the nation. Your flaccid non sequitur notwithstanding.

Citizens and legal residents. Indians non-taxed and slaves may not have been considered citizens but they were legal residents. Illegal aliens are just that. Illegal aliens. They are foreigners. They should not be in the country, let alone determine representation in the Congress. Faun lives with his head up his ass.

A good case can be made for using the total number of people in a state in determining distribution of federal funds. The number of people in the state is a major cost factor of government. Regardless of the make up of the population, citizens, tourists, legal immigrants or illegal immigrants, the state costs depends on the total number of people. The state must provide law enforcement, emergency services, education, transportation, and public facilities such parks and recreation.

Yet, NOT what was done by the founding fathers. Indians were not used for allocation of funds or representation, slaves were counted as 3/5ths.

It serves the Stalinists to have illegal aliens queer the representation of the nation.

Any mention of slaves in the constitution or any amendment can be ignore today because in the US slavery is illegal and everyone is considered free.

 

[Faun]

LOLOL

You poor thing, you're truly fucking demented. I never said illegals should be entitled to representation.

Unfortunately, you're not the only slobbering idiot in the Democrat party. There are way too many who believe exactly that.

Good, then bitch to those who express the bullshit you post and leave me out of your demented rants.

Fucking lying fawn, psychopath Stalinist making an utter fool of himself again. It's not your faultg, you have the brains of a house plant and just spew shit fed to you by the leftist hate sites.


{First off, it is important to know that the House of Representatives are numbered based on the number of constituents in their state. The same goes for the Electoral College. Since these two very important groups of people are based on the number of constituents in each state, a count must be taken every ten years to determine how many people there actually are in each state, and in the United States in total. This is what the purpose of the U.S. Census is for. On every year that ends with a 0, an official count is taken of the number of people in each state. For all of the years in between, trends are used to make estimations and projections about the number of people there are.}



Fucking lying fawn, such a complete clown....

Sadly, you're beyond senile with no hope of ever returning to reality.

The Constitution actually says "counting the whole number of persons in each State," not the the whole number of constituents in each State.

That you're incapable of comprehending basic English is your problem to deal with, not mine.

Fucking lying fawn, spewing bullshit again.

{Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.}

That's from something called "The United States Constitution."

You've never been exposed to it.

LOLOLOL

This just goes to prove how senile you are.

Dumbfuck, you quoted that from Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution; that was replaced by the 14th Amendment which I quoted...

"counting the whole number of persons in each State"

You'll note it says to count the whole number of "persons," not, "constituents," as you idiotically asserted.

Now everyone here sees how crazy you are.

 

[MAGAman]

Republicans fucked themselves on this by using any excuse to justify the question and acting as if the idea of a deliberate under-count of the census never occurred to them. No one likes to be bullshitted to their face.

BS

they screwed themselves when they put Roberts on the bench instead of a Justice that follows the Constitution.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Unfortunately, you're not the only slobbering idiot in the Democrat party. There are way too many who believe exactly that.

Good, then bitch to those who express the bullshit you post and leave me out of your demented rants.

Fucking lying fawn, psychopath Stalinist making an utter fool of himself again. It's not your faultg, you have the brains of a house plant and just spew shit fed to you by the leftist hate sites.


{First off, it is important to know that the House of Representatives are numbered based on the number of constituents in their state. The same goes for the Electoral College. Since these two very important groups of people are based on the number of constituents in each state, a count must be taken every ten years to determine how many people there actually are in each state, and in the United States in total. This is what the purpose of the U.S. Census is for. On every year that ends with a 0, an official count is taken of the number of people in each state. For all of the years in between, trends are used to make estimations and projections about the number of people there are.}



Fucking lying fawn, such a complete clown....

Sadly, you're beyond senile with no hope of ever returning to reality.

The Constitution actually says "counting the whole number of persons in each State," not the the whole number of constituents in each State.

That you're incapable of comprehending basic English is your problem to deal with, not mine.

Fucking lying fawn, spewing bullshit again.

{Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.}

That's from something called "The United States Constitution."

You've never been exposed to it.

LOLOLOL

This just goes to prove how senile you are.

Dumbfuck, you quoted that from Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution; that was replaced by the 14th Amendment which I quoted...

"counting the whole number of persons in each State"

You'll note it says to count the whole number of "persons," not, "constituents," as you idiotically asserted.

Now everyone here sees how crazy you are.

Now that is the DUMBEST SHIT I've ever heard, even from you.


{
Amendment XIV
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.

Section 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.}

Aren't you EVER embarrassed by how stupid you are? Ever?