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'socialism
noun
so·cial·ism | \ ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods'
Definition of SOCIALISM
As Don't Taz Me Bro rightly said...single payer healthcare is THE VERY definition of socialism.
It is clear that progressives generally appear to be in DEEP denial about the actual definition of socialism.
So, what does the government own? Medicare does not manage patient care, where to getg care, how the care is given. It just pays the bill under a set of rules.
Medicare is NOT socialism.
Sure it. It socializes health insurance, putting it under control of government.
But let's grant you your conceit. Let's say it isn't, according to your definition, "socialism". It doesn't change a single thing about why I don't like it. It's still giving government way too much power. It's still putting Donald Trump in charge of my family's health insurance and that's something I'll fight hard to avoid.
They voted for George W Bush who was a drunk &a cokehead until the age of 35.How much mileage do you boys think you will get out of the "pot smoker" crap when most Americans have tried it and think that it should be legal?Defending the pot smoking liar....good for you.Unicorns?Let me guess, you want to go back to the early days when Obama was running and declare the Democratic party candidates' histories don't matter and should be off limits, like Barry's was?
You want anything the Democrats do or say - like supporting AOC's 'Mystical Socialist Global Warming Plan' or rushing to support Smollett's Hate Crime Hoax to be off limits?
Here's a novel idea...why don't you and your fellow snowflake and Democrats agree to stop attacking, insulting, demonizing, and falsely accusing the GOP / Conservatives. Instead try campaigning on actual policies, plans, and WHY their candidates should be elected, not why the GOP shouldn't. I would gladly do the same.
The reason Hillary did not do it, campaign on her own merits, was because she had nothing. She could not even win her own party's nomination, and as for her policies and ideas - they were Obama 2.0.
Pelosi shut down the govt to Hurt Trump's chances in 2020 because she knows none of the clowns running right now can beat Trump by themselves talking up their own merits and ideas.
Destroying the President is the best hope Democrats have at beating him because they can't run on their own merit and do so.
Are there unicorns in your very own reality too?
then why are the dems forcing it so hard?
Because Medicare for all provides for the common defense, against heart disease, diabetes, cancers, and transmittable diseases; thus it promotes the general welfare.
Because early detection is many times curable, less expensive to treat and cost effective.
Preventative medicine has a cost benefit, to the end user and the community in which they live and when in close quarters on public transportation, on elevators and in movie theaters, restaurants and in office / schools and gun shows.
You've used that one already? What's the matter - running out of Talking Points?
Maybe you two should get together and reminisce about your college days, smoking pot and listening to Snoop Dog...before he started making records.
The pot smoked in the late 60's and early 70's was not the pot of today, and the tunes when I was an undergrad were belted out by Janice and Grace, classic rock and antiwar lyrics, in the summer of love.
In fact in 1968 the jukebox in the enlisted men's club at 32nd St. in San Diego played two songs over and over: White Rabbit and Sky Pilot.
That was long ago, and never could I have imagined the Summer of 2010, and on going for 8 years we would have winter, springs summers and falls of hate.
'socialism
noun
so·cial·ism | \ ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods'
Definition of SOCIALISM
As Don't Taz Me Bro rightly said...single payer healthcare is THE VERY definition of socialism.
It is clear that progressives generally appear to be in DEEP denial about the actual definition of socialism.
So, what does the government own? Medicare does not manage patient care, where to getg care, how the care is given. It just pays the bill under a set of rules.
Medicare is NOT socialism.
Sure it. It socializes health insurance, putting it under control of government.
But let's grant you your conceit. Let's say it isn't, according to your definition, "socialism". It doesn't change a single thing about why I don't like it. It's still giving government way too much power. It's still putting Donald Trump in charge of my family's health insurance and that's something I'll fight hard to avoid.
No it is not socialism. No NO NO NO No No No No No No No.
'socialism
noun
so·cial·ism | \ ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods'
Definition of SOCIALISM
As Don't Taz Me Bro rightly said...single payer healthcare is THE VERY definition of socialism.
It is clear that progressives generally appear to be in DEEP denial about the actual definition of socialism.
So, what does the government own? Medicare does not manage patient care, where to getg care, how the care is given. It just pays the bill under a set of rules.
Medicare is NOT socialism.
Sure it. It socializes health insurance, putting it under control of government.
But let's grant you your conceit. Let's say it isn't, according to your definition, "socialism". It doesn't change a single thing about why I don't like it. It's still giving government way too much power. It's still putting Donald Trump in charge of my family's health insurance and that's something I'll fight hard to avoid.
No it is not socialism. No NO NO NO No No No No No No No.
LOL - I hear you already. Like I said. Call it whatever you want. I oppose it for what it is, not the label attached to it.
'socialism
noun
so·cial·ism | \ ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods'
Definition of SOCIALISM
As Don't Taz Me Bro rightly said...single payer healthcare is THE VERY definition of socialism.
It is clear that progressives generally appear to be in DEEP denial about the actual definition of socialism.
So, what does the government own? Medicare does not manage patient care, where to getg care, how the care is given. It just pays the bill under a set of rules.
Medicare is NOT socialism.
Sure it. It socializes health insurance, putting it under control of government.
But let's grant you your conceit. Let's say it isn't, according to your definition, "socialism". It doesn't change a single thing about why I don't like it. It's still giving government way too much power. It's still putting Donald Trump in charge of my family's health insurance and that's something I'll fight hard to avoid.
No it is not socialism. No NO NO NO No No No No No No No.
LOL - I hear you already. Like I said. Call it whatever you want. I oppose it for what it is, not the label attached to it.
So you want a health insurance company's CEO to be in charge of your healthcare.
Defending the pot smoking liar....good for you.Unicorns?Are there unicorns in your very own reality too?
Because Medicare for all provides for the common defense, against heart disease, diabetes, cancers, and transmittable diseases; thus it promotes the general welfare.
Because early detection is many times curable, less expensive to treat and cost effective.
Preventative medicine has a cost benefit, to the end user and the community in which they live and when in close quarters on public transportation, on elevators and in movie theaters, restaurants and in office / schools and gun shows.
You've used that one already? What's the matter - running out of Talking Points?
Maybe you two should get together and reminisce about your college days, smoking pot and listening to Snoop Dog...before he started making records.
The pot smoked in the late 60's and early 70's was not the pot of today, and the tunes when I was an undergrad were belted out by Janice and Grace, classic rock and antiwar lyrics, in the summer of love.
In fact in 1968 the jukebox in the enlisted men's club at 32nd St. in San Diego played two songs over and over: White Rabbit and Sky Pilot.
That was long ago, and never could I have imagined the Summer of 2010, and on going for 8 years we would have winter, springs summers and falls of hate.
Refer Madness!!
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Ask any street cop if they would rather deal with a stoner or a drunk. 99% will choose the pot smoker, the 1% are drunks.
'socialism
noun
so·cial·ism | \ ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods'
Definition of SOCIALISM
As Don't Taz Me Bro rightly said...single payer healthcare is THE VERY definition of socialism.
It is clear that progressives generally appear to be in DEEP denial about the actual definition of socialism.
So, what does the government own? Medicare does not manage patient care, where to getg care, how the care is given. It just pays the bill under a set of rules.
Medicare is NOT socialism.
The subject is single payer...not medicare.
With Medicare, you have a choice. With Single payer, you do not.
Under Single Payer (like in the UK), every, single doctor is a government employee. So every, single surgery performed is 'owned' by the government as they 'own' the hospital, all the equipment and employee all the nurses, doctors, specialists, staff, paper pushers...everyone. They decide the costs, charges, who pays and when.
And since virtually no other private healthcare is allowed, that means the government has a complete monopoly on almost all medical treatments.
Of course it is socialism.
Jesus Christ. get a fucking education.
Medicare IS single payer.
You are so fucking stupid that you do npo know what single payer is.
'socialism
noun
so·cial·ism | \ ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods'
Definition of SOCIALISM
As Don't Taz Me Bro rightly said...single payer healthcare is THE VERY definition of socialism.
It is clear that progressives generally appear to be in DEEP denial about the actual definition of socialism.
So, what does the government own? Medicare does not manage patient care, where to getg care, how the care is given. It just pays the bill under a set of rules.
Medicare is NOT socialism.
Sure it. It socializes health insurance, putting it under control of government.
But let's grant you your conceit. Let's say it isn't, according to your definition, "socialism". It doesn't change a single thing about why I don't like it. It's still giving government way too much power. It's still putting Donald Trump in charge of my family's health insurance and that's something I'll fight hard to avoid.
No it is not socialism. No NO NO NO No No No No No No No.
Under single payer, you choose your doctor. You choose the fscilities
You choose the treatment.
Single payer only refers to who pays.
You assfucks told the same lie about the ACA.
i wonder if she wrestlesI think of a kamalata oliveher first name alone will kill her chances, when i hear "Kamala" I think of a huge/fat ugly WWE wrestler from the 80's 90'sKH is one dumb bitch...……..
'socialism
noun
so·cial·ism | \ ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods'
Definition of SOCIALISM
As Don't Taz Me Bro rightly said...single payer healthcare is THE VERY definition of socialism.
It is clear that progressives generally appear to be in DEEP denial about the actual definition of socialism.
So, what does the government own? Medicare does not manage patient care, where to getg care, how the care is given. It just pays the bill under a set of rules.
Medicare is NOT socialism.
The subject is single payer...not medicare.
With Medicare, you have a choice. With Single payer, you do not.
Under Single Payer (like in the UK), every, single doctor is a government employee. So every, single surgery performed is 'owned' by the government as they 'own' the hospital, all the equipment and employee all the nurses, doctors, specialists, staff, paper pushers...everyone. They decide the costs, charges, who pays and when.
And since virtually no other private healthcare is allowed, that means the government has a complete monopoly on almost all medical treatments.
Of course it is socialism.
Jesus Christ. get a fucking education.
Medicare IS single payer.
You are so fucking stupid that you do npo know what single payer is.
LOL...it is you who is clueless on this. And what are you freaking out about? It's just a conversation...get a grip.
'Single-payer healthcare is a type of universal healthcare[1] financed by taxes that covers the costs of essential healthcare for all residents, with costs covered by a single public system (hence 'single-payer').'
Single-payer healthcare - Wikipedia
Medicare is optional. No one HAS to be on it...they can opt for private healthcare instead. And it is insurance...not an entire, medical system (which single-payer is).
Single payer means you have NO OPTIONS. You cannot opt for private healthcare because little/none exists.
In Canada, for example, if you need a pacemaker? A heart bypass? A hip replacement? There is only one place to get it...from the government healthcare. It is illegal in Canada (which has single payer) to have these operations from the private sector. Flat out illegal.
THAT is single payer...you have few/no choices.
And that IS socialism...BY DEFINITION.
Whether you like it or not.
'socialism
noun
so·cial·ism | \ ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods'
Definition of SOCIALISM
As Don't Taz Me Bro rightly said...single payer healthcare is THE VERY definition of socialism.
It is clear that progressives generally appear to be in DEEP denial about the actual definition of socialism.
So, what does the government own? Medicare does not manage patient care, where to getg care, how the care is given. It just pays the bill under a set of rules.
Medicare is NOT socialism.
The subject is single payer...not medicare.
With Medicare, you have a choice. With Single payer, you do not.
Under Single Payer (like in the UK), every, single doctor is a government employee. So every, single surgery performed is 'owned' by the government as they 'own' the hospital, all the equipment and employee all the nurses, doctors, specialists, staff, paper pushers...everyone. They decide the costs, charges, who pays and when.
And since virtually no other private healthcare is allowed, that means the government has a complete monopoly on almost all medical treatments.
Of course it is socialism.
Jesus Christ. get a fucking education.
Medicare IS single payer.
You are so fucking stupid that you do npo know what single payer is.
LOL...it is you who is clueless on this. And what are you freaking out about? It's just a conversation...get a grip.
'Single-payer healthcare is a type of universal healthcare[1] financed by taxes that covers the costs of essential healthcare for all residents, with costs covered by a single public system (hence 'single-payer').'
Single-payer healthcare - Wikipedia
Medicare is optional. No one HAS to be on it...they can opt for private healthcare instead. And it is insurance...not an entire, medical system (which single-payer is).
Single payer means you have NO OPTIONS. You cannot opt for private healthcare because little/none exists.
In Canada, for example, if you need a pacemaker? A heart bypass? A hip replacement? There is only one place to get it...from the government healthcare. It is illegal in Canada (which has single payer) to have these operations from the private sector. Flat out illegal.
THAT is single payer...you have few/no choices.
And that IS socialism...BY DEFINITION.
Whether you like it or not.
That maybe how Canada wrote the law, that doesn't mean medicare for all needs to be the only choice in our country.
Consider it to be one alternative to many. Isn't competition a necessary component to keep costs down?
'socialism
noun
so·cial·ism | \ ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods'
Definition of SOCIALISM
As Don't Taz Me Bro rightly said...single payer healthcare is THE VERY definition of socialism.
It is clear that progressives generally appear to be in DEEP denial about the actual definition of socialism.
So, what does the government own? Medicare does not manage patient care, where to getg care, how the care is given. It just pays the bill under a set of rules.
Medicare is NOT socialism.
Sure it. It socializes health insurance, putting it under control of government.
But let's grant you your conceit. Let's say it isn't, according to your definition, "socialism". It doesn't change a single thing about why I don't like it. It's still giving government way too much power. It's still putting Donald Trump in charge of my family's health insurance and that's something I'll fight hard to avoid.
No it is not socialism. No NO NO NO No No No No No No No.
LOL - I hear you already. Like I said. Call it whatever you want. I oppose it for what it is, not the label attached to it.
So you want a health insurance company's CEO to be in charge of your healthcare.
Right! It was oh so much better when the insurers were in control !'socialism
noun
so·cial·ism | \ ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods'
Definition of SOCIALISM
As Don't Taz Me Bro rightly said...single payer healthcare is THE VERY definition of socialism.
It is clear that progressives generally appear to be in DEEP denial about the actual definition of socialism.
So, what does the government own? Medicare does not manage patient care, where to getg care, how the care is given. It just pays the bill under a set of rules.
Medicare is NOT socialism.
Sure it. It socializes health insurance, putting it under control of government.
But let's grant you your conceit. Let's say it isn't, according to your definition, "socialism". It doesn't change a single thing about why I don't like it. It's still giving government way too much power. It's still putting Donald Trump in charge of my family's health insurance and that's something I'll fight hard to avoid.
I can only say that I hope that you never get really sick, and if you do that you have amassed enormous wealth. I had back surgury last year to the tune of $200k plus. My choices were to have the surgury or live the rest of my like in a wheel chair. This year my wife had eye surgury, Her choice was to have the surgury or no longer be able to drive or do her artwork. I have no idea what that costs. I and most others could not afford that. Your contention that people who think that they need insurance are out of touch with reality is beyond absurd.That isn't a valid complaint. People who have insurance, choose to have insurance, because they value the service provided by the insurance company. You don't have to have insurance. You can choose to not have insurance, and just pay the bill yourself.
Right! It was oh so much better when the insurers were in control !
So, what does the government own? Medicare does not manage patient care, where to getg care, how the care is given. It just pays the bill under a set of rules.
Medicare is NOT socialism.
Sure it. It socializes health insurance, putting it under control of government.
But let's grant you your conceit. Let's say it isn't, according to your definition, "socialism". It doesn't change a single thing about why I don't like it. It's still giving government way too much power. It's still putting Donald Trump in charge of my family's health insurance and that's something I'll fight hard to avoid.
No it is not socialism. No NO NO NO No No No No No No No.
LOL - I hear you already. Like I said. Call it whatever you want. I oppose it for what it is, not the label attached to it.
So you want a health insurance company's CEO to be in charge of your healthcare.
I'm always baffled that you think this is an argument.
"So you want a politician, and their political lobbying groups, to be in charge of your healthcare?"
The difference between my statement, and your statement, is that mine is actually accurate, while yours is mythology.
I have been to a doctor when I didn't have insurance. I've been to a hospital without insurance.
Both times, I got something called a "bill". I then paid the "bill".
What insurance CEO has control over my health care?
That isn't a valid complaint. People who have insurance, choose to have insurance, because they value the service provided by the insurance company. You don't have to have insurance. You can choose to not have insurance, and just pay the bill yourself.
And quite frankly, if you think government politicians are going to take care of you... you are crazy.
AOC has been caught funneling money to her lover, through corrupt transactions. You think she is going to take care of you?
Reminds me of the MP up in Canada, getting cancer, and flying to the US for care, on tax payer dollars. She's taking care of herself... not the public. While people are dying on 3 year long waiting lists in Canada, she's using their tax dollars to fly to the US to get good care.
Or Castro in Cuba, not using the garbage Cuban health care system, but hiring a private doctor, and flying him and his medical equipment, to personally service Castro alone... while the average Cuban can't even get Aspirin.
You people seem completely detached from reality. You live in this mythical fairy land, where elitist in Washington, who have never worked a full days wage in their life... are going to take care of you?
Please.... if I have to choose, I'll take a CEO who has provided a service to millions of people, over a 1970s socialist mummy who was kicked out of his own commune, because he was too lazy.
Absolutely, I'll take the CEO. You can have your VA Hospital waiting list, and pray the politicians fix your life. We'll see who ends up better off.
Why the Mayo Clinic is refusing to see Medicare patients
I'll go to the Mayo clinic, and get top quality care. You can go to your medicare approved doctor, and we'll see who is better off.
One of my co-workers needed hand surgery, didn't want to pay for it, went through the government, and that doctor screwed up her hand so badly, she never came back to work.
My father who is a career painter and water color artist, had the same surgery though a private doctor, and it was expensive, and now he can paint again.
Yeah, let's see who ends up better off.
VA: Secret waiting list delayed care for 87 veterans in 2017
Good luck with that.
At least Ted Kennedy had the integrity to admit it was "socialized medicine"."Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) on Tuesday defended her support for “Medicare for all,” saying it is not a socialist idea.
"No, no. It’s about providing health care to all people," Harris said"
Kamala Harris is embarrassing herself while proving although she cal lie her ass off about Democrat Health Care BS she is still no Barak Obama...
Harris: 'Medicare for all' is not socialism
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If your insurance is paying your doctor to take care of you, your insurance can withhold that money and let you die.If the government is paying your doctor to take care of you, the government can withhold that money and let you die.
