Kansas lawmakers pass adoption bill against gay couples

[Aba Incieni]

I spend my days glorifying heteros, who provide, nourish, and continue humanity.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

And the Constitution protects their right to make that choice.

Please show me the word "homosexual" in the constitution.

Thanks.

And the Constitution protects their right to make that choice.

Please show me the word "homosexual" in the constitution.

Thanks.

You can find it here in the Constitution:

“When sexuality finds overt expression in intimate conduct with another person, the conduct can be but one element in a personal bond that is more enduring. The liberty protected by the Constitution allows homosexual persons the right to make this choice.”

LAWRENCE V. TEXAS

You’re welcome.

Bullshit.

It's not in the consitution.

It overturned Bowers which said the constutiton said something else.

You guys are so fucked up.

It is unconstitutional to prosecute people for private sexual conduct. Period over and done with. It has the same force of law as if it were in the body of the constitution. Get the fuck over yourself. You are far from a constitutional scholar.

That's what people said after Bowers.

Guess what....

You are the one who needs help.

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[RoshawnMarkwees]

Since the law says gay can legally marry, they should be treated like all married couples. Even single people can adopt.

And this is exactly why homo marriage should not be legally sanctioned. Kids need a mother and a father not one or two of either. Empirically proven, post-1960’s. Those who disagree are backwards neoconservatives.

Just more of your profound, pathetic and utter ignorance. I wrote this prior to Obergefell and it is still relevant now.

CHILDREN WILL WIN THE FIGHT FOR SAME SEX MARRIAGE AND ADOPTION BY GAYS! 9.12.14

While marriage equality for gay and lesbian people is making astounding advances and is likely to be the law of the land by next June, there are still many who are resisting the inevitable. Opponents of equality are at the end of their legal rope, with every argument ever devised having been decimated by the courts. The most egregious of those arguments is that gay people make bad parents, that children should have a mom and a dad, and that they do less well when they don’t. All of that has been debunked numerous times but that is not the focus of this post. Rather, it is that like it or not, for better or worse, gay people do and will continue to have children in their care and when we allow discrimination against those gay parents, we penalize the children.


Extract from Kennedy's Windsor Opinion -

The differentiation demeans the couple, whose moral and sexual choices the Constitution protects, see Lawrence, 539 U. S. 558 , and whose relationship the State has sought to dignify. And it humiliates tens of thousands of children now being raised by same-sex couples. The law in question makes it even more difficult for the children to understand the integrity and closeness of their own family and its concord with other families in their community and in their daily lives. ... DOMA also brings financial harm to children of same-sex couples. It raises the cost of health care for families by taxing health benefits provided by employers to their workers’ same-sex spouses. See 26 U. S. C. §106; Treas. Reg. §1.106–1, 26 CFR §1.106–1 (2012); IRS Private Letter Ruling 9850011 (Sept. 10, 199

. And it denies or re- duces benefits allowed to families upon the loss of a spouse and parent, benefits that are an integral part of family security. See Social Security Administration, Social Security Survivors Benefits 5 (2012) (benefits available to a surviving spouse caring for the couple’s child), online at http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10084.pdf.

Marriage Equality and adoption…The Right Thing to do For The Children By Progressive Patriot 9.12.14

People who use children to assail gay marriage and adoption either have not given much thought to the down side of these bans-or – are being intellectually dishonest in saying that they take their position on behalf of the children which they really care little about.

It is a logical fallacy-an appeal to ignorance if you will to insist that same sex marriage and adoption of children by gays will be detrimental to those children, and that society as a whole, will somehow be harmed by these arrangements. Many will take the position that children are entitled to a “mom and a dad” That may be so but the reality is that many people in this life do not have everything that they are entitled to. There are many children without both a mother and a father, and some without either. Banning gay marriage and adoption is not going to change that.

Children also have a right to a stable, nurturing and permanent home and it is well established that that goal can be realized in a variety of family structures. The NJ Department of Families and Children-the public agency charged with the responsibility of finding adoptive homes for children –states, in part, on their web site that no one will be denied the opportunity to adopt based on sexual orientation. In fact, the Department’s Division of Child Protection and Permanency (formerly DYFS) has been placing children for adoption with gay and lesbian people- those who are single and those who are in a relationship- for decades with good outcomes for the children. And there are many, many more who still need homes while there is a dearth of people willing and able to adopt them. I know this because I worked in the foster care and adoption field in New Jersey for 26 years. I might add that children who are placed for adoption are already in a situation where they have neither a mother nor a father available to them. To imply that that a child would better off languishing in the foster care system as a ward of the state, then to be adopted into a nontraditional family is beyond absurd.

Furthermore, the vast majority of child psychologists will tell you that there are far more important factors that impact a child’s development than the gender or sexual orientation of the parents. No doubt that one could dredge up research studies that claim to prove that gay parenting is harmful. However, well established organizations like the American Psychological Association take the position that gay and lesbian parents are just as capable of rearing emotionally healthy children as anyone else. Yet even if family composition was, as some purport, a critical factor in children’s development, the fact is that there are and will always be children in non-traditional living situations where they do not have a mother and a father. Like it or not, it is also a fact that gay and lesbian people have children, be it from a prior relationship, adoption, or surrogacy.

Denying gay and lesbians the opportunity to marry does nothing to ensure that any greater number of children will have a home with a mother and a father. All that will be accomplished will be to deny numerous children the legal rights, protections, status and stability that comes with having married parents. And, to deny gays the ability to adopt will only ensure that more children will have neither a mother nor a father. Everyone is entitled to their moral views and religious beliefs but it is disingenuous and opprobrious to use children as pawns in the lost fight against equality by bloviating about how children would be harmed by it. While single people can be great parents, the benefits to children of having two parents is undeniable

The benefits to children of allowing two people who are in a committed relationship to be married are obvious for anyone willing to look at the issue objectively. Those who truly care about children should be willing to open all of the possible pathways for them to be adopted and to have married parents when possible.

Objective people consider empirical data and keep the kids welfare prioritized. Kids need mom and dad, preferably the specific two who created them as all humans in history have been created.
Homofascist.

 

[rightwinger]

Since the law says gay can legally marry, they should be treated like all married couples. Even single people can adopt.

And this is exactly why homo marriage should not be legally sanctioned. Kids need a mother and a father not one or two of either. Empirically proven, post-1960’s. Those who disagree are backwards neoconservatives.

Just more of your profound, pathetic and utter ignorance. I wrote this prior to Obergefell and it is still relevant now.

CHILDREN WILL WIN THE FIGHT FOR SAME SEX MARRIAGE AND ADOPTION BY GAYS! 9.12.14

While marriage equality for gay and lesbian people is making astounding advances and is likely to be the law of the land by next June, there are still many who are resisting the inevitable. Opponents of equality are at the end of their legal rope, with every argument ever devised having been decimated by the courts. The most egregious of those arguments is that gay people make bad parents, that children should have a mom and a dad, and that they do less well when they don’t. All of that has been debunked numerous times but that is not the focus of this post. Rather, it is that like it or not, for better or worse, gay people do and will continue to have children in their care and when we allow discrimination against those gay parents, we penalize the children.


Extract from Kennedy's Windsor Opinion -

The differentiation demeans the couple, whose moral and sexual choices the Constitution protects, see Lawrence, 539 U. S. 558 , and whose relationship the State has sought to dignify. And it humiliates tens of thousands of children now being raised by same-sex couples. The law in question makes it even more difficult for the children to understand the integrity and closeness of their own family and its concord with other families in their community and in their daily lives. ... DOMA also brings financial harm to children of same-sex couples. It raises the cost of health care for families by taxing health benefits provided by employers to their workers’ same-sex spouses. See 26 U. S. C. §106; Treas. Reg. §1.106–1, 26 CFR §1.106–1 (2012); IRS Private Letter Ruling 9850011 (Sept. 10, 199

. And it denies or re- duces benefits allowed to families upon the loss of a spouse and parent, benefits that are an integral part of family security. See Social Security Administration, Social Security Survivors Benefits 5 (2012) (benefits available to a surviving spouse caring for the couple’s child), online at http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10084.pdf.

Marriage Equality and adoption…The Right Thing to do For The Children By Progressive Patriot 9.12.14

People who use children to assail gay marriage and adoption either have not given much thought to the down side of these bans-or – are being intellectually dishonest in saying that they take their position on behalf of the children which they really care little about.

It is a logical fallacy-an appeal to ignorance if you will to insist that same sex marriage and adoption of children by gays will be detrimental to those children, and that society as a whole, will somehow be harmed by these arrangements. Many will take the position that children are entitled to a “mom and a dad” That may be so but the reality is that many people in this life do not have everything that they are entitled to. There are many children without both a mother and a father, and some without either. Banning gay marriage and adoption is not going to change that.

Children also have a right to a stable, nurturing and permanent home and it is well established that that goal can be realized in a variety of family structures. The NJ Department of Families and Children-the public agency charged with the responsibility of finding adoptive homes for children –states, in part, on their web site that no one will be denied the opportunity to adopt based on sexual orientation. In fact, the Department’s Division of Child Protection and Permanency (formerly DYFS) has been placing children for adoption with gay and lesbian people- those who are single and those who are in a relationship- for decades with good outcomes for the children. And there are many, many more who still need homes while there is a dearth of people willing and able to adopt them. I know this because I worked in the foster care and adoption field in New Jersey for 26 years. I might add that children who are placed for adoption are already in a situation where they have neither a mother nor a father available to them. To imply that that a child would better off languishing in the foster care system as a ward of the state, then to be adopted into a nontraditional family is beyond absurd.

Furthermore, the vast majority of child psychologists will tell you that there are far more important factors that impact a child’s development than the gender or sexual orientation of the parents. No doubt that one could dredge up research studies that claim to prove that gay parenting is harmful. However, well established organizations like the American Psychological Association take the position that gay and lesbian parents are just as capable of rearing emotionally healthy children as anyone else. Yet even if family composition was, as some purport, a critical factor in children’s development, the fact is that there are and will always be children in non-traditional living situations where they do not have a mother and a father. Like it or not, it is also a fact that gay and lesbian people have children, be it from a prior relationship, adoption, or surrogacy.

Denying gay and lesbians the opportunity to marry does nothing to ensure that any greater number of children will have a home with a mother and a father. All that will be accomplished will be to deny numerous children the legal rights, protections, status and stability that comes with having married parents. And, to deny gays the ability to adopt will only ensure that more children will have neither a mother nor a father. Everyone is entitled to their moral views and religious beliefs but it is disingenuous and opprobrious to use children as pawns in the lost fight against equality by bloviating about how children would be harmed by it. While single people can be great parents, the benefits to children of having two parents is undeniable

The benefits to children of allowing two people who are in a committed relationship to be married are obvious for anyone willing to look at the issue objectively. Those who truly care about children should be willing to open all of the possible pathways for them to be adopted and to have married parents when possible.

Objective people consider empirical data and keep the kids welfare prioritized. Kids need mom and dad, preferably the specific two who created them as all humans in history have been created.
Homofascist.

Things don’t always work out that way

Kids need love and security

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Since the law says gay can legally marry, they should be treated like all married couples. Even single people can adopt.

And this is exactly why homo marriage should not be legally sanctioned. Kids need a mother and a father not one or two of either. Empirically proven, post-1960’s. Those who disagree are backwards neoconservatives.

Just more of your profound, pathetic and utter ignorance. I wrote this prior to Obergefell and it is still relevant now.

CHILDREN WILL WIN THE FIGHT FOR SAME SEX MARRIAGE AND ADOPTION BY GAYS! 9.12.14

While marriage equality for gay and lesbian people is making astounding advances and is likely to be the law of the land by next June, there are still many who are resisting the inevitable. Opponents of equality are at the end of their legal rope, with every argument ever devised having been decimated by the courts. The most egregious of those arguments is that gay people make bad parents, that children should have a mom and a dad, and that they do less well when they don’t. All of that has been debunked numerous times but that is not the focus of this post. Rather, it is that like it or not, for better or worse, gay people do and will continue to have children in their care and when we allow discrimination against those gay parents, we penalize the children.


Extract from Kennedy's Windsor Opinion -

The differentiation demeans the couple, whose moral and sexual choices the Constitution protects, see Lawrence, 539 U. S. 558 , and whose relationship the State has sought to dignify. And it humiliates tens of thousands of children now being raised by same-sex couples. The law in question makes it even more difficult for the children to understand the integrity and closeness of their own family and its concord with other families in their community and in their daily lives. ... DOMA also brings financial harm to children of same-sex couples. It raises the cost of health care for families by taxing health benefits provided by employers to their workers’ same-sex spouses. See 26 U. S. C. §106; Treas. Reg. §1.106–1, 26 CFR §1.106–1 (2012); IRS Private Letter Ruling 9850011 (Sept. 10, 199

. And it denies or re- duces benefits allowed to families upon the loss of a spouse and parent, benefits that are an integral part of family security. See Social Security Administration, Social Security Survivors Benefits 5 (2012) (benefits available to a surviving spouse caring for the couple’s child), online at http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10084.pdf.

Marriage Equality and adoption…The Right Thing to do For The Children By Progressive Patriot 9.12.14

People who use children to assail gay marriage and adoption either have not given much thought to the down side of these bans-or – are being intellectually dishonest in saying that they take their position on behalf of the children which they really care little about.

It is a logical fallacy-an appeal to ignorance if you will to insist that same sex marriage and adoption of children by gays will be detrimental to those children, and that society as a whole, will somehow be harmed by these arrangements. Many will take the position that children are entitled to a “mom and a dad” That may be so but the reality is that many people in this life do not have everything that they are entitled to. There are many children without both a mother and a father, and some without either. Banning gay marriage and adoption is not going to change that.

Children also have a right to a stable, nurturing and permanent home and it is well established that that goal can be realized in a variety of family structures. The NJ Department of Families and Children-the public agency charged with the responsibility of finding adoptive homes for children –states, in part, on their web site that no one will be denied the opportunity to adopt based on sexual orientation. In fact, the Department’s Division of Child Protection and Permanency (formerly DYFS) has been placing children for adoption with gay and lesbian people- those who are single and those who are in a relationship- for decades with good outcomes for the children. And there are many, many more who still need homes while there is a dearth of people willing and able to adopt them. I know this because I worked in the foster care and adoption field in New Jersey for 26 years. I might add that children who are placed for adoption are already in a situation where they have neither a mother nor a father available to them. To imply that that a child would better off languishing in the foster care system as a ward of the state, then to be adopted into a nontraditional family is beyond absurd.

Furthermore, the vast majority of child psychologists will tell you that there are far more important factors that impact a child’s development than the gender or sexual orientation of the parents. No doubt that one could dredge up research studies that claim to prove that gay parenting is harmful. However, well established organizations like the American Psychological Association take the position that gay and lesbian parents are just as capable of rearing emotionally healthy children as anyone else. Yet even if family composition was, as some purport, a critical factor in children’s development, the fact is that there are and will always be children in non-traditional living situations where they do not have a mother and a father. Like it or not, it is also a fact that gay and lesbian people have children, be it from a prior relationship, adoption, or surrogacy.

Denying gay and lesbians the opportunity to marry does nothing to ensure that any greater number of children will have a home with a mother and a father. All that will be accomplished will be to deny numerous children the legal rights, protections, status and stability that comes with having married parents. And, to deny gays the ability to adopt will only ensure that more children will have neither a mother nor a father. Everyone is entitled to their moral views and religious beliefs but it is disingenuous and opprobrious to use children as pawns in the lost fight against equality by bloviating about how children would be harmed by it. While single people can be great parents, the benefits to children of having two parents is undeniable

The benefits to children of allowing two people who are in a committed relationship to be married are obvious for anyone willing to look at the issue objectively. Those who truly care about children should be willing to open all of the possible pathways for them to be adopted and to have married parents when possible.

Objective people consider empirical data and keep the kids welfare prioritized. Kids need mom and dad, preferably the specific two who created them as all humans in history have been created.
Homofascist.

Thank you for that brilliant and thoughtful commentary on a subject that is vital to the well being of children and families . Your intellect is a true asset to the quality of intellectual discourse on the USMB. Just think of how much more you could contribute if you learned to read and comprehend above a first grade level and obtained medication to combat your mental illness. You might then come to understand what empirical data is and what it shows, and know who is really prioritizing the well being of children.

 

[dblack]

Don't take off your tinfoil hat. That's how they get you!

No need to be rude about it.

Rudeness is always optional. And sometimes most appropriate.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

That's not the constitution. That's case law.

You said the constitution protects that choice to be a fag. Show me where the CONSTITUTION does that.

The SCOTUS was ruling on the Texas law that made it ILLEGAL. That's far different than saying the constitution protects the right to be a fag. You're moving the goalposts because you're losing the argument.

So the answer is.....Um no, it doesn't.

Obviously you do not understand Constitutional Law. Case law becomes part of constitutional law as it represents binding precedents and carries the same force of law as the articles of the constitution, the amendments , and legislation. Please smarten up.

Until it gets reversed.

Now, please confirm you are a moron by telling us that nothing has ever been reversed.

Please be sure to let us all know when it gets reversed. Meanwhile it is law. Constitutional law. If you can't accept that and choose to spend your days sobbing and obsessing about what those perverted filthy gays do, it is your problem, and your problem alone.

Making more stuff up.....

1. I never said it wasn't law. I have pointed out that it can be reversed. If you can't accept that, then maybe you can spend your days sobbing and obsessing about why nobody thinks you are credible.
2. I don't ever recall calling gays filthy or perverted. In fact, I think I mentioned that I have several gay friends and aquaintences. That must mean that you are the bigot who likes to call people names....I never did.
3. I have no issues. There is nothing that you've argued against that remotely describes my position. You, on the other hand, suffer from the left winger superiority/stupidity syndrome. There is help...but sadly it is rarely effective. Most morons like you....tend to stay morons and get worse with time.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Please show me the word "homosexual" in the constitution.

Thanks.

Please show me the word "homosexual" in the constitution.

Thanks.

You can find it here in the Constitution:

“When sexuality finds overt expression in intimate conduct with another person, the conduct can be but one element in a personal bond that is more enduring. The liberty protected by the Constitution allows homosexual persons the right to make this choice.”

LAWRENCE V. TEXAS

You’re welcome.

Bullshit.

It's not in the consitution.

It overturned Bowers which said the constutiton said something else.

You guys are so fucked up.

It is unconstitutional to prosecute people for private sexual conduct. Period over and done with. It has the same force of law as if it were in the body of the constitution. Get the fuck over yourself. You are far from a constitutional scholar.

That's what people said after Bowers.

Guess what....

You are the one who needs help.

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So what ?

That does not change the fact that people thought they had "settled law" after Bowers.

The fact thta people have to create "impact" litigation in order to prove that they are right (instead of just getting along with everyone else...none of whom always get their way), just shows that there are crappy selfish people in this world who really only care about what they think is right.

And then get all flustered and pissed (and resort to name calling) when someone stands up and tells them they don't own the show.

Best of luck.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Since the law says gay can legally marry, they should be treated like all married couples. Even single people can adopt.

And this is exactly why homo marriage should not be legally sanctioned. Kids need a mother and a father not one or two of either. Empirically proven, post-1960’s. Those who disagree are backwards neoconservatives.

Just more of your profound, pathetic and utter ignorance. I wrote this prior to Obergefell and it is still relevant now.

CHILDREN WILL WIN THE FIGHT FOR SAME SEX MARRIAGE AND ADOPTION BY GAYS! 9.12.14

While marriage equality for gay and lesbian people is making astounding advances and is likely to be the law of the land by next June, there are still many who are resisting the inevitable. Opponents of equality are at the end of their legal rope, with every argument ever devised having been decimated by the courts. The most egregious of those arguments is that gay people make bad parents, that children should have a mom and a dad, and that they do less well when they don’t. All of that has been debunked numerous times but that is not the focus of this post. Rather, it is that like it or not, for better or worse, gay people do and will continue to have children in their care and when we allow discrimination against those gay parents, we penalize the children.


Extract from Kennedy's Windsor Opinion -

The differentiation demeans the couple, whose moral and sexual choices the Constitution protects, see Lawrence, 539 U. S. 558 , and whose relationship the State has sought to dignify. And it humiliates tens of thousands of children now being raised by same-sex couples. The law in question makes it even more difficult for the children to understand the integrity and closeness of their own family and its concord with other families in their community and in their daily lives. ... DOMA also brings financial harm to children of same-sex couples. It raises the cost of health care for families by taxing health benefits provided by employers to their workers’ same-sex spouses. See 26 U. S. C. §106; Treas. Reg. §1.106–1, 26 CFR §1.106–1 (2012); IRS Private Letter Ruling 9850011 (Sept. 10, 199

. And it denies or re- duces benefits allowed to families upon the loss of a spouse and parent, benefits that are an integral part of family security. See Social Security Administration, Social Security Survivors Benefits 5 (2012) (benefits available to a surviving spouse caring for the couple’s child), online at http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10084.pdf.

Marriage Equality and adoption…The Right Thing to do For The Children By Progressive Patriot 9.12.14

People who use children to assail gay marriage and adoption either have not given much thought to the down side of these bans-or – are being intellectually dishonest in saying that they take their position on behalf of the children which they really care little about.

It is a logical fallacy-an appeal to ignorance if you will to insist that same sex marriage and adoption of children by gays will be detrimental to those children, and that society as a whole, will somehow be harmed by these arrangements. Many will take the position that children are entitled to a “mom and a dad” That may be so but the reality is that many people in this life do not have everything that they are entitled to. There are many children without both a mother and a father, and some without either. Banning gay marriage and adoption is not going to change that.

Children also have a right to a stable, nurturing and permanent home and it is well established that that goal can be realized in a variety of family structures. The NJ Department of Families and Children-the public agency charged with the responsibility of finding adoptive homes for children –states, in part, on their web site that no one will be denied the opportunity to adopt based on sexual orientation. In fact, the Department’s Division of Child Protection and Permanency (formerly DYFS) has been placing children for adoption with gay and lesbian people- those who are single and those who are in a relationship- for decades with good outcomes for the children. And there are many, many more who still need homes while there is a dearth of people willing and able to adopt them. I know this because I worked in the foster care and adoption field in New Jersey for 26 years. I might add that children who are placed for adoption are already in a situation where they have neither a mother nor a father available to them. To imply that that a child would better off languishing in the foster care system as a ward of the state, then to be adopted into a nontraditional family is beyond absurd.

Furthermore, the vast majority of child psychologists will tell you that there are far more important factors that impact a child’s development than the gender or sexual orientation of the parents. No doubt that one could dredge up research studies that claim to prove that gay parenting is harmful. However, well established organizations like the American Psychological Association take the position that gay and lesbian parents are just as capable of rearing emotionally healthy children as anyone else. Yet even if family composition was, as some purport, a critical factor in children’s development, the fact is that there are and will always be children in non-traditional living situations where they do not have a mother and a father. Like it or not, it is also a fact that gay and lesbian people have children, be it from a prior relationship, adoption, or surrogacy.

Denying gay and lesbians the opportunity to marry does nothing to ensure that any greater number of children will have a home with a mother and a father. All that will be accomplished will be to deny numerous children the legal rights, protections, status and stability that comes with having married parents. And, to deny gays the ability to adopt will only ensure that more children will have neither a mother nor a father. Everyone is entitled to their moral views and religious beliefs but it is disingenuous and opprobrious to use children as pawns in the lost fight against equality by bloviating about how children would be harmed by it. While single people can be great parents, the benefits to children of having two parents is undeniable

The benefits to children of allowing two people who are in a committed relationship to be married are obvious for anyone willing to look at the issue objectively. Those who truly care about children should be willing to open all of the possible pathways for them to be adopted and to have married parents when possible.

Objective people consider empirical data and keep the kids welfare prioritized. Kids need mom and dad, preferably the specific two who created them as all humans in history have been created.
Homofascist.

Things don’t always work out that way

Kids need love and security

Clearly you didn't get either.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Just when America is making progression. Conservatives are there to take us three steps backwards.

Can't believe in 2018 we're still having this conversation.

These are so many children who need homes. Does it matter who they're in a relationship with?

Exactly.

Such is the fear and bigotry of the reprehensible right.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I only get concerned when fags want to bring kids into their sick shit.

The thread is not about fags, it's about faggots adopting kids. That's sick and anyone who supports that sick shit should be shot too.

So this is basically the same motivation as the people who want to ban homeschooling. You want to control how other people raise their kids.

Wrong.

False comparison fallacy.

No one has enacted a law to ban home schooling.

 

[Aba Incieni]

Just when America is making progression. Conservatives are there to take us three steps backwards.

Can't believe in 2018 we're still having this conversation.

These are so many children who need homes. Does it matter who they're in a relationship with?

Exactly.

Such is the fear and bigotry of the reprehensible right.

You people exude a lot of hate, but I never see you defend the heteros. After all, without us there would be no homos.

So who is the bigot in this equation?

#HeteroPride.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

1. I never said it wasn't law. I have pointed out that it can be reversed. If you can't accept that, then maybe you can spend your days sobbing and obsessing about why nobody thinks you are credible.

You that implied that case law is not Constitutional law. I never said that it could not be reversed.

 

[dblack]

I only get concerned when fags want to bring kids into their sick shit.

The thread is not about fags, it's about faggots adopting kids. That's sick and anyone who supports that sick shit should be shot too.

So this is basically the same motivation as the people who want to ban homeschooling. You want to control how other people raise their kids.

Wrong.

False comparison fallacy.

No one has enacted a law to ban home schooling.

Right.

Pompous imposter fallacy.

Start over.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

2. I don't ever recall calling gays filthy or perverted. In fact, I think I mentioned that I have several gay friends and aquaintences. That must mean that you are the bigot who likes to call people names....I never did.

Do your gay friends know that you resent gays for speaking out about bigotry and discrimination, and that your hoping that Lawrence gets overturned?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

3. I have no issues. There is nothing that you've argued against that remotely describes my position

Really, perhaps then you would like to clarify a few things.

1.What is your position on adoption by gays?

2. What is your position on same sex marriage?

3. What is your position on including gays in laws against discrimination?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

You, on the other hand, suffer from the left winger superiority/stupidity syndrome. There is help...but sadly it is rarely effective. Most morons like you....tend to stay morons and get worse with time.

A sure sing of an insecure who has issues is someone who has to resort to a continuous barrage of ad- hominems

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

You can find it here in the Constitution:

“When sexuality finds overt expression in intimate conduct with another person, the conduct can be but one element in a personal bond that is more enduring. The liberty protected by the Constitution allows homosexual persons the right to make this choice.”

LAWRENCE V. TEXAS

You’re welcome.

Bullshit.

It's not in the consitution.

It overturned Bowers which said the constutiton said something else.

You guys are so fucked up.

It is unconstitutional to prosecute people for private sexual conduct. Period over and done with. It has the same force of law as if it were in the body of the constitution. Get the fuck over yourself. You are far from a constitutional scholar.

That's what people said after Bowers.

Guess what....

You are the one who needs help.

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So what ?

That does not change the fact that people thought they had "settled law" after Bowers.

The fact thta people have to create "impact" litigation in order to prove that they are right (instead of just getting along with everyone else...none of whom always get their way), just shows that there are crappy selfish people in this world who really only care about what they think is right.

And then get all flustered and pissed (and resort to name calling) when someone stands up and tells them they don't own the show.

Best of luck.

What in the name of Christ are you blathering about now. ? That someone said that Lawrence is "settled law" ? That is not saying that it cannot be overturned. It's just not likely to be, just like Obergefell is unlikely to be overturned

You really do hate the Lawrence ruling, don't you?

Settled law definition
Traditionally, "settled law" or "black-letter law" refers to law that is so well-established that it is no longer subject to reasonable dispute. For example, it is settled law that the essential elements of a contract are an offer, acceptance, consideration, and intention to be bound.
What do people mean when they say something is 'settled ...
www.quora.com/What-do-people-mean-when-they-say-something-is-settled-law

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Since the law says gay can legally marry, they should be treated like all married couples. Even single people can adopt.

And this is exactly why homo marriage should not be legally sanctioned. Kids need a mother and a father not one or two of either. Empirically proven, post-1960’s. Those who disagree are backwards neoconservatives.

Just more of your profound, pathetic and utter ignorance. I wrote this prior to Obergefell and it is still relevant now.

CHILDREN WILL WIN THE FIGHT FOR SAME SEX MARRIAGE AND ADOPTION BY GAYS! 9.12.14

While marriage equality for gay and lesbian people is making astounding advances and is likely to be the law of the land by next June, there are still many who are resisting the inevitable. Opponents of equality are at the end of their legal rope, with every argument ever devised having been decimated by the courts. The most egregious of those arguments is that gay people make bad parents, that children should have a mom and a dad, and that they do less well when they don’t. All of that has been debunked numerous times but that is not the focus of this post. Rather, it is that like it or not, for better or worse, gay people do and will continue to have children in their care and when we allow discrimination against those gay parents, we penalize the children.


Extract from Kennedy's Windsor Opinion -

The differentiation demeans the couple, whose moral and sexual choices the Constitution protects, see Lawrence, 539 U. S. 558 , and whose relationship the State has sought to dignify. And it humiliates tens of thousands of children now being raised by same-sex couples. The law in question makes it even more difficult for the children to understand the integrity and closeness of their own family and its concord with other families in their community and in their daily lives. ... DOMA also brings financial harm to children of same-sex couples. It raises the cost of health care for families by taxing health benefits provided by employers to their workers’ same-sex spouses. See 26 U. S. C. §106; Treas. Reg. §1.106–1, 26 CFR §1.106–1 (2012); IRS Private Letter Ruling 9850011 (Sept. 10, 199

. And it denies or re- duces benefits allowed to families upon the loss of a spouse and parent, benefits that are an integral part of family security. See Social Security Administration, Social Security Survivors Benefits 5 (2012) (benefits available to a surviving spouse caring for the couple’s child), online at http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10084.pdf.

Marriage Equality and adoption…The Right Thing to do For The Children By Progressive Patriot 9.12.14

People who use children to assail gay marriage and adoption either have not given much thought to the down side of these bans-or – are being intellectually dishonest in saying that they take their position on behalf of the children which they really care little about.

It is a logical fallacy-an appeal to ignorance if you will to insist that same sex marriage and adoption of children by gays will be detrimental to those children, and that society as a whole, will somehow be harmed by these arrangements. Many will take the position that children are entitled to a “mom and a dad” That may be so but the reality is that many people in this life do not have everything that they are entitled to. There are many children without both a mother and a father, and some without either. Banning gay marriage and adoption is not going to change that.

Children also have a right to a stable, nurturing and permanent home and it is well established that that goal can be realized in a variety of family structures. The NJ Department of Families and Children-the public agency charged with the responsibility of finding adoptive homes for children –states, in part, on their web site that no one will be denied the opportunity to adopt based on sexual orientation. In fact, the Department’s Division of Child Protection and Permanency (formerly DYFS) has been placing children for adoption with gay and lesbian people- those who are single and those who are in a relationship- for decades with good outcomes for the children. And there are many, many more who still need homes while there is a dearth of people willing and able to adopt them. I know this because I worked in the foster care and adoption field in New Jersey for 26 years. I might add that children who are placed for adoption are already in a situation where they have neither a mother nor a father available to them. To imply that that a child would better off languishing in the foster care system as a ward of the state, then to be adopted into a nontraditional family is beyond absurd.

Furthermore, the vast majority of child psychologists will tell you that there are far more important factors that impact a child’s development than the gender or sexual orientation of the parents. No doubt that one could dredge up research studies that claim to prove that gay parenting is harmful. However, well established organizations like the American Psychological Association take the position that gay and lesbian parents are just as capable of rearing emotionally healthy children as anyone else. Yet even if family composition was, as some purport, a critical factor in children’s development, the fact is that there are and will always be children in non-traditional living situations where they do not have a mother and a father. Like it or not, it is also a fact that gay and lesbian people have children, be it from a prior relationship, adoption, or surrogacy.

Denying gay and lesbians the opportunity to marry does nothing to ensure that any greater number of children will have a home with a mother and a father. All that will be accomplished will be to deny numerous children the legal rights, protections, status and stability that comes with having married parents. And, to deny gays the ability to adopt will only ensure that more children will have neither a mother nor a father. Everyone is entitled to their moral views and religious beliefs but it is disingenuous and opprobrious to use children as pawns in the lost fight against equality by bloviating about how children would be harmed by it. While single people can be great parents, the benefits to children of having two parents is undeniable

The benefits to children of allowing two people who are in a committed relationship to be married are obvious for anyone willing to look at the issue objectively. Those who truly care about children should be willing to open all of the possible pathways for them to be adopted and to have married parents when possible.

Objective people consider empirical data and keep the kids welfare prioritized. Kids need mom and dad, preferably the specific two who created them as all humans in history have been created.
Homofascist.

Things don’t always work out that way

Kids need love and security

Kids need a mom and a dad. Homos and single parenting should be last resort only.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Since the law says gay can legally marry, they should be treated like all married couples. Even single people can adopt.

And this is exactly why homo marriage should not be legally sanctioned. Kids need a mother and a father not one or two of either. Empirically proven, post-1960’s. Those who disagree are backwards neoconservatives.

Just more of your profound, pathetic and utter ignorance. I wrote this prior to Obergefell and it is still relevant now.

CHILDREN WILL WIN THE FIGHT FOR SAME SEX MARRIAGE AND ADOPTION BY GAYS! 9.12.14

While marriage equality for gay and lesbian people is making astounding advances and is likely to be the law of the land by next June, there are still many who are resisting the inevitable. Opponents of equality are at the end of their legal rope, with every argument ever devised having been decimated by the courts. The most egregious of those arguments is that gay people make bad parents, that children should have a mom and a dad, and that they do less well when they don’t. All of that has been debunked numerous times but that is not the focus of this post. Rather, it is that like it or not, for better or worse, gay people do and will continue to have children in their care and when we allow discrimination against those gay parents, we penalize the children.


Extract from Kennedy's Windsor Opinion -

The differentiation demeans the couple, whose moral and sexual choices the Constitution protects, see Lawrence, 539 U. S. 558 , and whose relationship the State has sought to dignify. And it humiliates tens of thousands of children now being raised by same-sex couples. The law in question makes it even more difficult for the children to understand the integrity and closeness of their own family and its concord with other families in their community and in their daily lives. ... DOMA also brings financial harm to children of same-sex couples. It raises the cost of health care for families by taxing health benefits provided by employers to their workers’ same-sex spouses. See 26 U. S. C. §106; Treas. Reg. §1.106–1, 26 CFR §1.106–1 (2012); IRS Private Letter Ruling 9850011 (Sept. 10, 199

. And it denies or re- duces benefits allowed to families upon the loss of a spouse and parent, benefits that are an integral part of family security. See Social Security Administration, Social Security Survivors Benefits 5 (2012) (benefits available to a surviving spouse caring for the couple’s child), online at http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10084.pdf.

Marriage Equality and adoption…The Right Thing to do For The Children By Progressive Patriot 9.12.14

People who use children to assail gay marriage and adoption either have not given much thought to the down side of these bans-or – are being intellectually dishonest in saying that they take their position on behalf of the children which they really care little about.

It is a logical fallacy-an appeal to ignorance if you will to insist that same sex marriage and adoption of children by gays will be detrimental to those children, and that society as a whole, will somehow be harmed by these arrangements. Many will take the position that children are entitled to a “mom and a dad” That may be so but the reality is that many people in this life do not have everything that they are entitled to. There are many children without both a mother and a father, and some without either. Banning gay marriage and adoption is not going to change that.

Children also have a right to a stable, nurturing and permanent home and it is well established that that goal can be realized in a variety of family structures. The NJ Department of Families and Children-the public agency charged with the responsibility of finding adoptive homes for children –states, in part, on their web site that no one will be denied the opportunity to adopt based on sexual orientation. In fact, the Department’s Division of Child Protection and Permanency (formerly DYFS) has been placing children for adoption with gay and lesbian people- those who are single and those who are in a relationship- for decades with good outcomes for the children. And there are many, many more who still need homes while there is a dearth of people willing and able to adopt them. I know this because I worked in the foster care and adoption field in New Jersey for 26 years. I might add that children who are placed for adoption are already in a situation where they have neither a mother nor a father available to them. To imply that that a child would better off languishing in the foster care system as a ward of the state, then to be adopted into a nontraditional family is beyond absurd.

Furthermore, the vast majority of child psychologists will tell you that there are far more important factors that impact a child’s development than the gender or sexual orientation of the parents. No doubt that one could dredge up research studies that claim to prove that gay parenting is harmful. However, well established organizations like the American Psychological Association take the position that gay and lesbian parents are just as capable of rearing emotionally healthy children as anyone else. Yet even if family composition was, as some purport, a critical factor in children’s development, the fact is that there are and will always be children in non-traditional living situations where they do not have a mother and a father. Like it or not, it is also a fact that gay and lesbian people have children, be it from a prior relationship, adoption, or surrogacy.

Denying gay and lesbians the opportunity to marry does nothing to ensure that any greater number of children will have a home with a mother and a father. All that will be accomplished will be to deny numerous children the legal rights, protections, status and stability that comes with having married parents. And, to deny gays the ability to adopt will only ensure that more children will have neither a mother nor a father. Everyone is entitled to their moral views and religious beliefs but it is disingenuous and opprobrious to use children as pawns in the lost fight against equality by bloviating about how children would be harmed by it. While single people can be great parents, the benefits to children of having two parents is undeniable

The benefits to children of allowing two people who are in a committed relationship to be married are obvious for anyone willing to look at the issue objectively. Those who truly care about children should be willing to open all of the possible pathways for them to be adopted and to have married parents when possible.

Objective people consider empirical data and keep the kids welfare prioritized. Kids need mom and dad, preferably the specific two who created them as all humans in history have been created.
Homofascist.

Thank you for that brilliant and thoughtful commentary on a subject that is vital to the well being of children and families . Your intellect is a true asset to the quality of intellectual discourse on the USMB. Just think of how much more you could contribute if you learned to read and comprehend above a first grade level and obtained medication to combat your mental illness. You might then come to understand what empirical data is and what it shows, and know who is really prioritizing the well being of children.

My response was analytical and still stands. You responded with disparagement.