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You bring up a point I've always puzzled over. No one dwells on the gay sex act more than heteros arguing against gays. It's so weird.Personally I'm not gay so if you aren't why are you guys spending time obsessing abut what gay people do. Let them adopt children. Don't pretend that all mom and dad families have produced such outstanding results.
You'll have to explain to me how this became about welfare, Or I'll have to call a red herring fallacy on you.They let them give up the tax $$$ damn it! THAT is what this is aboutYes live and let live. Lets gay folks adopt. In Kansas, they are nor using the government, they are being victimized by the government.From the outside looking in, I see both sides trying to use government mold society to their vision. Whatever happened to live and let live?
The law has nothing to do with the rights of gays to adopt children. This is about the rights of adoption agencies to discriminate, something we should be protecting rather than attacking.
Sure... that's the point of getting people on the dole in the first place, right? - to twist arms. That's the scam of the welfare state. Make everyone dependent on government and government controls everyone.
Yes live and let live. Lets gay folks adopt. In Kansas, they are nor using the government, they are being victimized by the government.Personally I'm not gay so if you aren't why are you guys spending time obsessing abut what gay people do. Let them adopt children. Don't pretend that all mom and dad families have produced such outstanding results.
From the outside looking in, I see both sides trying to use government mold society to their vision. Whatever happened to live and let live?
The law has nothing to do with the rights of gays to adopt children. This is about the rights of adoption agencies to discriminate, something we should be protecting rather than attacking.
We should not be protecting the right to discriminate.
It is odd how some actually cry that they are being persecuted for their religion when they are NOT allowed to discriminate against their fellow citizens.Yes live and let live. Lets gay folks adopt. In Kansas, they are nor using the government, they are being victimized by the government.Personally I'm not gay so if you aren't why are you guys spending time obsessing abut what gay people do. Let them adopt children. Don't pretend that all mom and dad families have produced such outstanding results.
From the outside looking in, I see both sides trying to use government mold society to their vision. Whatever happened to live and let live?
The law has nothing to do with the rights of gays to adopt children. This is about the rights of adoption agencies to discriminate, something we should be protecting rather than attacking.
We should not be protecting the right to discriminate.
If they do...they cannot discriminate. However if they wish to forego government money, they can certainly do as they wish.You'll have to explain to me how this became about welfare, Or I'll have to call a red herring fallacy on you.They let them give up the tax $$$ damn it! THAT is what this is aboutYes live and let live. Lets gay folks adopt. In Kansas, they are nor using the government, they are being victimized by the government.
The law has nothing to do with the rights of gays to adopt children. This is about the rights of adoption agencies to discriminate, something we should be protecting rather than attacking.
Sure... that's the point of getting people on the dole in the first place, right? - to twist arms. That's the scam of the welfare state. Make everyone dependent on government and government controls everyone.
You brought it up. You were justifying government interference in the operation of the adoption agency based on the presumed fact that they receive government money.
It is odd how some actually cry that they are being persecuted for their religion when they are NOT allowed to discriminate against their fellow citizens.Yes live and let live. Lets gay folks adopt. In Kansas, they are nor using the government, they are being victimized by the government.Personally I'm not gay so if you aren't why are you guys spending time obsessing abut what gay people do. Let them adopt children. Don't pretend that all mom and dad families have produced such outstanding results.
From the outside looking in, I see both sides trying to use government mold society to their vision. Whatever happened to live and let live?
The law has nothing to do with the rights of gays to adopt children. This is about the rights of adoption agencies to discriminate, something we should be protecting rather than attacking.
We should not be protecting the right to discriminate.
Partially correct....if one takes government money, one must follow government (read Constitutional) criteria. The government is not allowed to discriminate based on gender, is it?Yes live and let live. Lets gay folks adopt. In Kansas, they are nor using the government, they are being victimized by the government.Personally I'm not gay so if you aren't why are you guys spending time obsessing abut what gay people do. Let them adopt children. Don't pretend that all mom and dad families have produced such outstanding results.
From the outside looking in, I see both sides trying to use government mold society to their vision. Whatever happened to live and let live?
The law has nothing to do with the rights of gays to adopt children. This is about the rights of adoption agencies to discriminate, something we should be protecting rather than attacking.
We should not be protecting the right to discriminate.
Of course we should. It's the job of an adoption agency to discriminate, to find what they consider "good" parents for the children under their care. What you want, is government to make the call on what constitutes good parents for the children.
So. you are one of the ones crying that we don't allow you to discriminate against your fellow citizens anymore?It is odd how some actually cry that they are being persecuted for their religion when they are NOT allowed to discriminate against their fellow citizens.Yes live and let live. Lets gay folks adopt. In Kansas, they are nor using the government, they are being victimized by the government.From the outside looking in, I see both sides trying to use government mold society to their vision. Whatever happened to live and let live?
The law has nothing to do with the rights of gays to adopt children. This is about the rights of adoption agencies to discriminate, something we should be protecting rather than attacking.
We should not be protecting the right to discriminate.
It's not odd at all. Discriminating is how we express our values in society. What's 'odd', and actually quite dangerous, is the desire to, instead, force our values on society via government.
If they do...they cannot discriminate. However if they wish to forego government money, they can certainly do as they wish.You'll have to explain to me how this became about welfare, Or I'll have to call a red herring fallacy on you.They let them give up the tax $$$ damn it! THAT is what this is aboutThe law has nothing to do with the rights of gays to adopt children. This is about the rights of adoption agencies to discriminate, something we should be protecting rather than attacking.
Sure... that's the point of getting people on the dole in the first place, right? - to twist arms. That's the scam of the welfare state. Make everyone dependent on government and government controls everyone.
You brought it up. You were justifying government interference in the operation of the adoption agency based on the presumed fact that they receive government money.
They don't control you if you don't take their money, you know.If they do...they cannot discriminate. However if they wish to forego government money, they can certainly do as they wish.You'll have to explain to me how this became about welfare, Or I'll have to call a red herring fallacy on you.They let them give up the tax $$$ damn it! THAT is what this is about
Sure... that's the point of getting people on the dole in the first place, right? - to twist arms. That's the scam of the welfare state. Make everyone dependent on government and government controls everyone.
You brought it up. You were justifying government interference in the operation of the adoption agency based on the presumed fact that they receive government money.
Yeah, I hear ya. It's the same old line. And frankly, it's WHY they want to get everyone dependent on government (in, seemingly, every way they can think of). Then they control everything.
So. you are one of the ones crying that we don't allow you to discriminate against your fellow citizens anymore?It is odd how some actually cry that they are being persecuted for their religion when they are NOT allowed to discriminate against their fellow citizens.Yes live and let live. Lets gay folks adopt. In Kansas, they are nor using the government, they are being victimized by the government.
The law has nothing to do with the rights of gays to adopt children. This is about the rights of adoption agencies to discriminate, something we should be protecting rather than attacking.
We should not be protecting the right to discriminate.
It's not odd at all. Discriminating is how we express our values in society. What's 'odd', and actually quite dangerous, is the desire to, instead, force our values on society via government.
Not if you don't take government money. But if you do, you have to follow government criteria. You know...all that Constitutional stuff.So. you are one of the ones crying that we don't allow you to discriminate against your fellow citizens anymore?It is odd how some actually cry that they are being persecuted for their religion when they are NOT allowed to discriminate against their fellow citizens.The law has nothing to do with the rights of gays to adopt children. This is about the rights of adoption agencies to discriminate, something we should be protecting rather than attacking.
We should not be protecting the right to discriminate.
It's not odd at all. Discriminating is how we express our values in society. What's 'odd', and actually quite dangerous, is the desire to, instead, force our values on society via government.
Not really, but I do think government deciding these things is really dangerous. It makes personal values a matter of state mandate. Not the kind of government I want.
They don't control you if you don't take their money, you know.If they do...they cannot discriminate. However if they wish to forego government money, they can certainly do as they wish.You'll have to explain to me how this became about welfare, Or I'll have to call a red herring fallacy on you.Sure... that's the point of getting people on the dole in the first place, right? - to twist arms. That's the scam of the welfare state. Make everyone dependent on government and government controls everyone.
You brought it up. You were justifying government interference in the operation of the adoption agency based on the presumed fact that they receive government money.
Yeah, I hear ya. It's the same old line. And frankly, it's WHY they want to get everyone dependent on government (in, seemingly, every way they can think of). Then they control everything.
So. you are one of the ones crying that we don't allow you to discriminate against your fellow citizens anymore?It is odd how some actually cry that they are being persecuted for their religion when they are NOT allowed to discriminate against their fellow citizens.The law has nothing to do with the rights of gays to adopt children. This is about the rights of adoption agencies to discriminate, something we should be protecting rather than attacking.
We should not be protecting the right to discriminate.
It's not odd at all. Discriminating is how we express our values in society. What's 'odd', and actually quite dangerous, is the desire to, instead, force our values on society via government.
Not really, but I do think government deciding these things is really dangerous. It makes personal values a matter of state mandate. Not the kind of government I want.
They don't control you if you don't take their money, you know.If they do...they cannot discriminate. However if they wish to forego government money, they can certainly do as they wish.You'll have to explain to me how this became about welfare, Or I'll have to call a red herring fallacy on you.
You brought it up. You were justifying government interference in the operation of the adoption agency based on the presumed fact that they receive government money.
Yeah, I hear ya. It's the same old line. And frankly, it's WHY they want to get everyone dependent on government (in, seemingly, every way they can think of). Then they control everything.
Yeah. I get it. But government encourages these dependencies, and then uses them to twist arms. It's a corrupt abuse of state power. This is why libertarians are opposed to the welfare state. It's not helping the poor we're opposed to. It's setting up government as the master, who controls whatever we do with threat of denying 'benefits' to anyone who doesn't do as they're told.
They don't control you if you don't take their money, you know.If they do...they cannot discriminate. However if they wish to forego government money, they can certainly do as they wish.You brought it up. You were justifying government interference in the operation of the adoption agency based on the presumed fact that they receive government money.
Yeah, I hear ya. It's the same old line. And frankly, it's WHY they want to get everyone dependent on government (in, seemingly, every way they can think of). Then they control everything.
Yeah. I get it. But government encourages these dependencies, and then uses them to twist arms. It's a corrupt abuse of state power. This is why libertarians are opposed to the welfare state. It's not helping the poor we're opposed to. It's setting up government as the master, who controls whatever we do with threat of denying 'benefits' to anyone who doesn't do as they're told.
There is no welfare state.
So. you are one of the ones crying that we don't allow you to discriminate against your fellow citizens anymore?It is odd how some actually cry that they are being persecuted for their religion when they are NOT allowed to discriminate against their fellow citizens.We should not be protecting the right to discriminate.
It's not odd at all. Discriminating is how we express our values in society. What's 'odd', and actually quite dangerous, is the desire to, instead, force our values on society via government.
Not really, but I do think government deciding these things is really dangerous. It makes personal values a matter of state mandate. Not the kind of government I want.
The problem here with such a belief is these entities take state and federal money. Discrimination is not how we express our values. The government makes the law, so it's kinda hard to be talking about what the government cannot be doing when the government's role is making the rules.
It is odd how some actually cry that they are being persecuted for their religion when they are NOT allowed to discriminate against their fellow citizens.Yes live and let live. Lets gay folks adopt. In Kansas, they are nor using the government, they are being victimized by the government.Personally I'm not gay so if you aren't why are you guys spending time obsessing abut what gay people do. Let them adopt children. Don't pretend that all mom and dad families have produced such outstanding results.
From the outside looking in, I see both sides trying to use government mold society to their vision. Whatever happened to live and let live?
The law has nothing to do with the rights of gays to adopt children. This is about the rights of adoption agencies to discriminate, something we should be protecting rather than attacking.
We should not be protecting the right to discriminate.
So. you are one of the ones crying that we don't allow you to discriminate against your fellow citizens anymore?It is odd how some actually cry that they are being persecuted for their religion when they are NOT allowed to discriminate against their fellow citizens.
It's not odd at all. Discriminating is how we express our values in society. What's 'odd', and actually quite dangerous, is the desire to, instead, force our values on society via government.
Not really, but I do think government deciding these things is really dangerous. It makes personal values a matter of state mandate. Not the kind of government I want.
The problem here with such a belief is these entities take state and federal money. Discrimination is not how we express our values. The government makes the law, so it's kinda hard to be talking about what the government cannot be doing when the government's role is making the rules.
Yeah, I know how you see it. Government as the lord and commander of society, dictating any and all behavior. I don't accept that. Government is the security guard, not the boss.
They don't control you if you don't take their money, you know.If they do...they cannot discriminate. However if they wish to forego government money, they can certainly do as they wish.You'll have to explain to me how this became about welfare, Or I'll have to call a red herring fallacy on you.Sure... that's the point of getting people on the dole in the first place, right? - to twist arms. That's the scam of the welfare state. Make everyone dependent on government and government controls everyone.
You brought it up. You were justifying government interference in the operation of the adoption agency based on the presumed fact that they receive government money.
Yeah, I hear ya. It's the same old line. And frankly, it's WHY they want to get everyone dependent on government (in, seemingly, every way they can think of). Then they control everything.
