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I'm not gay either and I do not spend a lot of time obsessing about what gay people do. That seems to be the crowd that wants to deny gays basic rights and claim that they want special rights who does that. But LGBT issues are a topic that interests me from a civil rights and legal viewpoint. We cannot turn our backs on any minority group who is experiencing discrimination and I will go to bat for any of them when the occasion rises. Having the attitude that it is every body for themselves does not speak well for us as a society.Personally I'm not gay so if you aren't why are you guys spending time obsessing abut what gay people do. Let them adopt children. Don't pretend that all mom and dad families have produced such outstanding results.
Children want a mommy and a daddy...not two daddies or two mommy's but this isn't about the children is it libs? Its not about whats best for the children its about making abnormal people feel normal...what a shame for the children...
Debunked, bigoted bovine excrement. You don't know squat about children and care about them even less. They are nothing more to you than useful pawns in your quest to punish and marginalize gays people. Shame!!Children want a mommy and a daddy...not two daddies or two mommy's but this isn't about the children is it libs? Its not about whats best for the children its about making abnormal people feel normal...what a shame for the children...
I'm not gay either and I do not spend a lot of time obsessing about what gay people do. That seems to be the crowd that wants to deny gays basic rights and claim that they want special rights who does that. But LGBT issues are a topic that interests me from a civil rights and legal viewpoint. We cannot turn our backs on any minority group who is experiencing discrimination and I will go to bat for any of them when the occasion rises. Having the attitude that it is every body for themselves does not speak well for us as a society.Personally I'm not gay so if you aren't why are you guys spending time obsessing abut what gay people do. Let them adopt children. Don't pretend that all mom and dad families have produced such outstanding results.
Yes live and let live. Lets gay folks adopt. In Kansas, they are nor using the government, they are being victimized by the government.Personally I'm not gay so if you aren't why are you guys spending time obsessing abut what gay people do. Let them adopt children. Don't pretend that all mom and dad families have produced such outstanding results.
From the outside looking in, I see both sides trying to use government mold society to their vision. Whatever happened to live and let live?
Hmmm.... that wasn't my reading of this law. My understanding is that it let's religious groups discriminate. Now, I'd agree that religious exemptions are bad law - everyone's right to discriminate should be protected equally - but this doesn't "victimize" anyone.
You'll have to explain to me how this became about welfare, Or I'll have to call a red herring fallacy on you.They let them give up the tax $$$ damn it! THAT is what this is aboutYes live and let live. Lets gay folks adopt. In Kansas, they are nor using the government, they are being victimized by the government.
The law has nothing to do with the rights of gays to adopt children. This is about the rights of adoption agencies to discriminate, something we should be protecting rather than attacking.
Sure... that's the point of getting people on the dole in the first place, right? - to twist arms. That's the scam of the welfare state. Make everyone dependent on government and government controls everyone.
You brought it up. You were justifying government interference in the operation of the adoption agency based on the presumed fact that they receive government money.
Really? I raised three and put them through college and now I sit with my grandchildren and I believe placing children into a situation like that is wrong...You don't so fine...Debunked, bigoted bovine excrement. You don't know squat about children and care about them even less. They are nothing more to you than useful pawns in your quest to punish and marginalize gays people. Shame!!
So. you are one of the ones crying that we don't allow you to discriminate against your fellow citizens anymore?It is odd how some actually cry that they are being persecuted for their religion when they are NOT allowed to discriminate against their fellow citizens.The law has nothing to do with the rights of gays to adopt children. This is about the rights of adoption agencies to discriminate, something we should be protecting rather than attacking.
We should not be protecting the right to discriminate.
It's not odd at all. Discriminating is how we express our values in society. What's 'odd', and actually quite dangerous, is the desire to, instead, force our values on society via government.
Not really, but I do think government deciding these things is really dangerous. It makes personal values a matter of state mandate. Not the kind of government I want.
Good for you ! But families come in many forms and the research shows that having parents of the opposite sex is one of the least important factors in child development . I would share it with you if I thought that you would be interested but I doubt that you would even look at it, because you would fear that it would undermine your preconceived ideas about gay parenting.Really? I raised three and put them through college and now I sit with my grandchildren and I believe placing children into a situation like that is wrong...You don't so fine...Debunked, bigoted bovine excrement. You don't know squat about children and care about them even less. They are nothing more to you than useful pawns in your quest to punish and marginalize gays people. Shame!!
Research shows? We can find "research" to back up any loony idea...Like I said if you think its okay fine...I don't...and no stupid liberal researcher will change my mind....Good for you ! But families come in many forms and the research shows that having parents of the opposite sex is one of the least important factors in child development . I would share it with you if I thought that you would be interested but I doubt that you would even look at it, because you would fear that it would undermine your preconceived ideas about gay parenting.
I hope that you're not teaching your grand kids to be ignorant bigots. That is exactly what kids DO NOT NEED in order to make it in an evolving and more tolerant world that seems to have left you behind
Yup, as I thought. You are stuck in the mud and have given up the ability, and even the desire to learn anything new.Research shows? We can find "research" to back up any loony idea...Like I said if you think its okay fine...I don't...and no stupid liberal researcher will change my mind....Good for you ! But families come in many forms and the research shows that having parents of the opposite sex is one of the least important factors in child development . I would share it with you if I thought that you would be interested but I doubt that you would even look at it, because you would fear that it would undermine your preconceived ideas about gay parenting.
I hope that you're not teaching your grand kids to be ignorant bigots. That is exactly what kids DO NOT NEED in order to make it in an evolving and more tolerant world that seems to have left you behind
Every gay person who wants to adopt through an agency is victimized because they do not have the full choices available to others.
Oh I see. Those subsidies are welfare. OK, but there is welfare that helps people ( I know, you'll say it makes them dependent) and there other kinds of welfare-corporate welfare for instance that makes the rich richer, and then there is this kind that rewards bigotry. See the difference?
Sans the 'run amok'(?), yes, people should allowed to discriminate according to their personal preferences, without having to justify those preferences to the state.So. you are one of the ones crying that we don't allow you to discriminate against your fellow citizens anymore?It is odd how some actually cry that they are being persecuted for their religion when they are NOT allowed to discriminate against their fellow citizens.We should not be protecting the right to discriminate.
It's not odd at all. Discriminating is how we express our values in society. What's 'odd', and actually quite dangerous, is the desire to, instead, force our values on society via government.
Not really, but I do think government deciding these things is really dangerous. It makes personal values a matter of state mandate. Not the kind of government I want.
What kind of government do you want?. A government that allows people to run amok and discriminate against any group that they disapprove of, for any reason?
I guess you could look at it that way. Groupthink IS more orderly.What would that look like in every day life?? Rather chaotic I would guess.
Sans the 'run amok'(?), yes, people should allowed to discriminate according to their personal preferences, without having to justify those preferences to the state.So. you are one of the ones crying that we don't allow you to discriminate against your fellow citizens anymore?It is odd how some actually cry that they are being persecuted for their religion when they are NOT allowed to discriminate against their fellow citizens.
It's not odd at all. Discriminating is how we express our values in society. What's 'odd', and actually quite dangerous, is the desire to, instead, force our values on society via government.
Not really, but I do think government deciding these things is really dangerous. It makes personal values a matter of state mandate. Not the kind of government I want.
What kind of government do you want?. A government that allows people to run amok and discriminate against any group that they disapprove of, for any reason?
I guess you could look at it that way. Groupthink IS more orderly.What would that look like in every day life?? Rather chaotic I would guess.
I guess you could look at it that way. Groupthink IS more orderly.What would that look like in every day life?? Rather chaotic I would guess.
This is ridiculous. And groupthink doesn't exist.
Cool. So you're good with a 35-year old man marrying an 8-year old girl.While you people argue the nuances involved with sexual perversions, I'm supporting heteros, who outnumber homos by hundreds of millions in the US alone.
#HeteroPride
#ThinkForYourself
No problem with you supporting the sexual perversions of heteros.
I support humans- regardless of your sexual perversions- or lack thereof.
That is not what laws against discrimination say......but that is not what we are talking about here. If you want to talk about privilege , how about the privilege of being treated equally by others and the government. All should enjoy the same privilege or there is no equality. You can manipulate those words but in the end, the meaning is the same.This is the same old argument - namely the conflation of equal rights with equal privilege. Equal rights doesn't mean everyone has to treat everyone else equally. It means the law has to treat everyone equally.
