Kate Steinle murderer found not guilty of murder.

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If you picked up a piece of shit stolen Sig Sauer pistol with a known tendency to misfire out of a trash can and it accidentally went off, ricochets off the pavement, and ends up killing someone, do you think you should be convicted of murder? Or does that only apply to black or brown people.

Asshat

Stop being an idiot . It just makes you look like a fool when you post stupid shit like that.

Not premeditated murder but some charge of being a dumbass that directly caused the death of another person. They have all kinds of degrees of being a dumbass that causes the death of another person. Not all murders are premeditated.

To claim that this poor Hispanic was an innocent victim of a gun simply going off is beyond belief. Just another variation of you fucking Moon Bat's excuse for all the scumbags: "Ma Baby Didndu nutin".

Again, for the intellectually challenged. Involuntary manslaughter has three elements and all must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in order to return a guilty verdict.
  1. Someone was killed as a result of the defendant's actions.
  2. The act either was inherently dangerous to others or done with reckless disregard for human life.
  3. The defendant knew or should have known his or her conduct was a threat to the lives of others.
 
Alternative facts


My ass alternative facts

OK...I'll be less tactful

An outright lie


Bullshit , he did it with malice..




I will post this once again




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Retelling a lie does not make it true

Then why do you retell lies so often, shitflinger?

The 7 time felon, 5 time deported illegal alien who was under the protection of the accomplice to the crime, the city of San Francisco, fired a firearm on a crowded pier that resulted in a death. This was done in a fully negligent manner making the crime second degree murder under California law.

Fact.

Sorry, but your "fact" was not supported by the forensic, video, and eyewitness testimony presented in court. Therefore, it is not a "fact", you FAIL.
 
She deserved to die for being white, right sploogy?

no, her death was a tragedy.

Just like the other 33,000 gun deaths we have every year because the NRA needs to make a shitload of money.

White people cannot expect the rule of law if minorities make up the jury or the judge.

Fuck everyone of them.

But you don't have a problem when mostly white juries send minorities to prison, every day.


Ohh look, a Communist is again lying. Must be a day ending in "y."

No scumbag, it isn't like the other 27,000 gun deaths (33,000 is yet another lie by you). First off, it isn't suicide the way 25,000 of the gun death are. Secondly, it isn't a gang related murder in Chicago as another 1,800 are. Thirdly, this is a 7 time felon who you Communists claim can never get a gun due to the idiotic assault on civil rights you engage in.

This was the murder of a woman by a criminal who should not have been in the country, and only was because you Communist flagrantly violated the law as his accomplice. This was a felon who is prohibited from having a firearm who oddly didn't give a shit about the laws you Communists fail to enforce in the first place.

You Communists are the real perpetrators of Kate Steinle's murder.

Critical thinking is not your strong suit is it hoss. The fact that this guy was a convicted felon or an "illegal alien" had nothing to do with the shooting. Nor did San Francisco sanctuary city status. He found the gun in the trash. He did not buy it, steal it, or even seek ownership. He had possession for a few moments, which was what he was convicted of. One individual, and one company, bear the most responsibility here, and were I a lawyer representing the family I would be targeting the deep pockets of first, Sauer and Sohn and their US distributor, SIG Arms, for manufacturing and distributing a defective handgun subject to misfiring. And second, the BLM for putting in service such a defective weapon and the agent that failed to adequately secure it. I guarantee I would have a better chance of winning a lucrative judgement than the dumbass prosecutor that attempted to to prosecute this case criminally. First, I don't have to meet the beyond a reasonable doubt standard. Second, there is a legal precedence here and Sauer and Son have even recalled pistols for the very same reason, misfiring. Third, there have been a couple of deaths due to this model gun misfiring, including a law enforcement officer.

But hey, you stupid shits keep wailing about sanctuary cities and illegal immigrants. It reveals you lack of intelligence and critical thinking skills.
 
If you weren't so confused Moon Bat you would know that 100 years ago legal immigrants were not put on food stamps and given health insurance subsidies, housing subsidies and every other stupid welfare payments imaginable. Nowadays you filthy Moon Bats put illegals on welfare the minute they swim across the Rio Grande in the hopes they will vote Democrat to keep you Libtard assholes in power.

You are really confused about welfare Moon Bat. Only about 5% of Whites are on welfare while about 50% of Negroes and 70% of Illegals.

Someone needs to tell Stormfront they are missing one of their idiots.
 
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Spare us your lies the jury had the option to find him guilty of involuntary manslaughter.

Involuntary manslaughter with a ten year sentence and then the gun charge added on top of that and you have the correct verdict for that case. Then on top of that Federal charges of illegal reentry and the sonofabitch stays in jail for at least the next 20 years. That is not real justice for Kate but it better than that jury of San Francisco Moon Bats letting him skate.

It was jury nullification he needs to be charged federally.

No it was not. The prosecutor over-reached and failed miserably.
 
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Spare us your lies the jury had the option to find him guilty of involuntary manslaughter.

Involuntary manslaughter with a ten year sentence and then the gun charge added on top of that and you have the correct verdict for that case. Then on top of that Federal charges of illegal reentry and the sonofabitch stays in jail for at least the next 20 years. That is not real justice for Kate but it better than that jury of San Francisco Moon Bats letting him skate.

It was jury nullification he needs to be charged federally.

No it was not. The prosecutor over-reached and failed miserably.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about, the jury had the option to find him guilty of involuntary manslaughter.
 
She deserved to die for being white, right sploogy?

no, her death was a tragedy.

Just like the other 33,000 gun deaths we have every year because the NRA needs to make a shitload of money.

White people cannot expect the rule of law if minorities make up the jury or the judge.

Fuck everyone of them.

But you don't have a problem when mostly white juries send minorities to prison, every day.


Ohh look, a Communist is again lying. Must be a day ending in "y."

No scumbag, it isn't like the other 27,000 gun deaths (33,000 is yet another lie by you). First off, it isn't suicide the way 25,000 of the gun death are. Secondly, it isn't a gang related murder in Chicago as another 1,800 are. Thirdly, this is a 7 time felon who you Communists claim can never get a gun due to the idiotic assault on civil rights you engage in.

This was the murder of a woman by a criminal who should not have been in the country, and only was because you Communist flagrantly violated the law as his accomplice. This was a felon who is prohibited from having a firearm who oddly didn't give a shit about the laws you Communists fail to enforce in the first place.

You Communists are the real perpetrators of Kate Steinle's murder.

Critical thinking is not your strong suit is it hoss. The fact that this guy was a convicted felon or an "illegal alien" had nothing to do with the shooting. Nor did San Francisco sanctuary city status. He found the gun in the trash. He did not buy it, steal it, or even seek ownership. He had possession for a few moments, which was what he was convicted of. One individual, and one company, bear the most responsibility here, and were I a lawyer representing the family I would be targeting the deep pockets of first, Sauer and Sohn and their US distributor, SIG Arms, for manufacturing and distributing a defective handgun subject to misfiring. And second, the BLM for putting in service such a defective weapon and the agent that failed to adequately secure it. I guarantee I would have a better chance of winning a lucrative judgement than the dumbass prosecutor that attempted to to prosecute this case criminally. First, I don't have to meet the beyond a reasonable doubt standard. Second, there is a legal precedence here and Sauer and Son have even recalled pistols for the very same reason, misfiring. Third, there have been a couple of deaths due to this model gun misfiring, including a law enforcement officer.

But hey, you stupid shits keep wailing about sanctuary cities and illegal immigrants. It reveals you lack of intelligence and critical thinking skills.
Are you trying to tell us the BLM agent threw his weapon in the trash where the illegal found it?
 
She deserved to die for being white, right sploogy?

no, her death was a tragedy.

Just like the other 33,000 gun deaths we have every year because the NRA needs to make a shitload of money.

White people cannot expect the rule of law if minorities make up the jury or the judge.

Fuck everyone of them.

But you don't have a problem when mostly white juries send minorities to prison, every day.


Ohh look, a Communist is again lying. Must be a day ending in "y."

No scumbag, it isn't like the other 27,000 gun deaths (33,000 is yet another lie by you). First off, it isn't suicide the way 25,000 of the gun death are. Secondly, it isn't a gang related murder in Chicago as another 1,800 are. Thirdly, this is a 7 time felon who you Communists claim can never get a gun due to the idiotic assault on civil rights you engage in.

This was the murder of a woman by a criminal who should not have been in the country, and only was because you Communist flagrantly violated the law as his accomplice. This was a felon who is prohibited from having a firearm who oddly didn't give a shit about the laws you Communists fail to enforce in the first place.

You Communists are the real perpetrators of Kate Steinle's murder.

Critical thinking is not your strong suit is it hoss. The fact that this guy was a convicted felon or an "illegal alien" had nothing to do with the shooting. Nor did San Francisco sanctuary city status.

Bullshit, he had a ICE hold on him that was ignored and he was released.
 
She deserved to die for being white, right sploogy?

no, her death was a tragedy.

Just like the other 33,000 gun deaths we have every year because the NRA needs to make a shitload of money.

White people cannot expect the rule of law if minorities make up the jury or the judge.

Fuck everyone of them.

But you don't have a problem when mostly white juries send minorities to prison, every day.


Ohh look, a Communist is again lying. Must be a day ending in "y."

No scumbag, it isn't like the other 27,000 gun deaths (33,000 is yet another lie by you). First off, it isn't suicide the way 25,000 of the gun death are. Secondly, it isn't a gang related murder in Chicago as another 1,800 are. Thirdly, this is a 7 time felon who you Communists claim can never get a gun due to the idiotic assault on civil rights you engage in.

This was the murder of a woman by a criminal who should not have been in the country, and only was because you Communist flagrantly violated the law as his accomplice. This was a felon who is prohibited from having a firearm who oddly didn't give a shit about the laws you Communists fail to enforce in the first place.

You Communists are the real perpetrators of Kate Steinle's murder.

Critical thinking is not your strong suit is it hoss. The fact that this guy was a convicted felon or an "illegal alien" had nothing to do with the shooting. Nor did San Francisco sanctuary city status. He found the gun in the trash. He did not buy it, steal it, or even seek ownership. He had possession for a few moments, which was what he was convicted of. One individual, and one company, bear the most responsibility here, and were I a lawyer representing the family I would be targeting the deep pockets of first, Sauer and Sohn and their US distributor, SIG Arms, for manufacturing and distributing a defective handgun subject to misfiring. And second, the BLM for putting in service such a defective weapon and the agent that failed to adequately secure it. I guarantee I would have a better chance of winning a lucrative judgement than the dumbass prosecutor that attempted to to prosecute this case criminally. First, I don't have to meet the beyond a reasonable doubt standard. Second, there is a legal precedence here and Sauer and Son have even recalled pistols for the very same reason, misfiring. Third, there have been a couple of deaths due to this model gun misfiring, including a law enforcement officer.

But hey, you stupid shits keep wailing about sanctuary cities and illegal immigrants. It reveals you lack of intelligence and critical thinking skills.
Si if he found it in the trash why would the family sue BLM? Careful idiot we are watching your theory!
 
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If you picked up a piece of shit stolen Sig Sauer pistol with a known tendency to misfire out of a trash can and it accidentally went off, ricochets off the pavement, and ends up killing someone, do you think you should be convicted of murder? Or does that only apply to black or brown people.

Asshat

Stop being an idiot . It just makes you look like a fool when you post stupid shit like that.

Not premeditated murder but some charge of being a dumbass that directly caused the death of another person. They have all kinds of degrees of being a dumbass that causes the death of another person. Not all murders are premeditated.

To claim that this poor Hispanic was an innocent victim of a gun simply going off is beyond belief. Just another variation of you fucking Moon Bat's excuse for all the scumbags: "Ma Baby Didndu nutin".

Again, for the intellectually challenged. Involuntary manslaughter has three elements and all must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in order to return a guilty verdict.
  1. Someone was killed as a result of the defendant's actions.
  2. The act either was inherently dangerous to others or done with reckless disregard for human life.
  3. The defendant knew or should have known his or her conduct was a threat to the lives of others.

Ya killing someone by discharging a weapon you are illegally in possession of certainly meets that standard.
 
If you weren't so confused Moon Bat you would know that 100 years ago legal immigrants were not put on food stamps and given health insurance subsidies, housing subsidies and every other stupid welfare payments imaginable. Nowadays you filthy Moon Bats put illegals on welfare the minute they swim across the Rio Grande in the hopes they will vote Democrat to keep you Libtard assholes in power.

You are really confused about welfare Moon Bat. Only about 5% of Whites are on welfare while about 50% of Negroes and 70% of Illegals.

Someone needs to tell Stormfront they are missing one of their idiots.


Do you think that matters?

That mother fucker hopes the law keeps him locked up..he is a dead man walking..

Street justice..oops




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Then why do you retell lies so often, shitflinger?

The 7 time felon, 5 time deported illegal alien who was under the protection of the accomplice to the crime, the city of San Francisco, fired a firearm on a crowded pier that resulted in a death. This was done in a fully negligent manner making the crime second degree murder under California law.

Fact.
SF had him and asked for an arrest warrant
Never received one

Mean time, the shooting was accidental


Accidental my ass , he was an illegal unable to buy a gun legally ..

And what the fuck again was he shooting at sea gulls ?
His immigration status had nothing to do with whether it was murder or an accident


It had everything to do with it ..go by the law that you refuse to enforce ..



It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person— (1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year; (2) is a fugitive from justice; (3) is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802)); (4) has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution; (5) who, being an alien— (A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or (B) except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101 (a)(26))); (6) who [2] has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions; (7) who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his citizenship; (8) is subject to a court order that restrains such person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child, except that this paragraph shall only apply to a court order that— (A) was issued after a hearing of which such person received actual notice, and at which such person had the opportunity to participate; and (B) (i) includes a finding that such person represents a credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner or child; or (ii) by its terms explicitly prohibits the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against such intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury; or (9) has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.
Looks like your gripe is with the BLM agent who lost his gun

You want to make a bet that fucker will be dead by Christmas..relase him

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Spare us your lies the jury had the option to find him guilty of involuntary manslaughter.

Involuntary manslaughter with a ten year sentence and then the gun charge added on top of that and you have the correct verdict for that case. Then on top of that Federal charges of illegal reentry and the sonofabitch stays in jail for at least the next 20 years. That is not real justice for Kate but it better than that jury of San Francisco Moon Bats letting him skate.

It was jury nullification he needs to be charged federally.

No it was not. The prosecutor over-reached and failed miserably.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about, the jury had the option to find him guilty of involuntary manslaughter.

Can you not fawking read? Post 1042. And now for the third flippin time in this thread.

. Involuntary manslaughter has three elements and all must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in order to return a guilty verdict.
  1. Someone was killed as a result of the defendant's actions.
  2. The act either was inherently dangerous to others or done with reckless disregard for human life.
  3. The defendant knew or should have known his or her conduct was a threat to the lives of others.
 
She deserved to die for being white, right sploogy?

no, her death was a tragedy.

Just like the other 33,000 gun deaths we have every year because the NRA needs to make a shitload of money.

White people cannot expect the rule of law if minorities make up the jury or the judge.

Fuck everyone of them.

But you don't have a problem when mostly white juries send minorities to prison, every day.


Ohh look, a Communist is again lying. Must be a day ending in "y."

No scumbag, it isn't like the other 27,000 gun deaths (33,000 is yet another lie by you). First off, it isn't suicide the way 25,000 of the gun death are. Secondly, it isn't a gang related murder in Chicago as another 1,800 are. Thirdly, this is a 7 time felon who you Communists claim can never get a gun due to the idiotic assault on civil rights you engage in.

This was the murder of a woman by a criminal who should not have been in the country, and only was because you Communist flagrantly violated the law as his accomplice. This was a felon who is prohibited from having a firearm who oddly didn't give a shit about the laws you Communists fail to enforce in the first place.

You Communists are the real perpetrators of Kate Steinle's murder.

Critical thinking is not your strong suit is it hoss. The fact that this guy was a convicted felon or an "illegal alien" had nothing to do with the shooting. Nor did San Francisco sanctuary city status. He found the gun in the trash. He did not buy it, steal it, or even seek ownership. He had possession for a few moments, which was what he was convicted of. One individual, and one company, bear the most responsibility here, and were I a lawyer representing the family I would be targeting the deep pockets of first, Sauer and Sohn and their US distributor, SIG Arms, for manufacturing and distributing a defective handgun subject to misfiring. And second, the BLM for putting in service such a defective weapon and the agent that failed to adequately secure it. I guarantee I would have a better chance of winning a lucrative judgement than the dumbass prosecutor that attempted to to prosecute this case criminally. First, I don't have to meet the beyond a reasonable doubt standard. Second, there is a legal precedence here and Sauer and Son have even recalled pistols for the very same reason, misfiring. Third, there have been a couple of deaths due to this model gun misfiring, including a law enforcement officer.

But hey, you stupid shits keep wailing about sanctuary cities and illegal immigrants. It reveals you lack of intelligence and critical thinking skills.
Si if he found it in the trash why would the family sue BLM? Careful idiot we are watching your theory!

Pay attention. It was a Sig Sauer pistol. The same pistol that was recalled due to misfires. The same pistol that was withdrawn from service by the Connecticut's Stamford Police Department due to injuries incurred by one of their officers due to a misfire. The BLM was negligent in regards to ineffective, or non-existent, due diligence in regards to the safety of the firearms they issued their employees. Furthermore, the BLM was negligent in regards to training their officers as to the proper securing of their service weapons.
 
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If you picked up a piece of shit stolen Sig Sauer pistol with a known tendency to misfire out of a trash can and it accidentally went off, ricochets off the pavement, and ends up killing someone, do you think you should be convicted of murder? Or does that only apply to black or brown people.

Asshat

Stop being an idiot . It just makes you look like a fool when you post stupid shit like that.

Not premeditated murder but some charge of being a dumbass that directly caused the death of another person. They have all kinds of degrees of being a dumbass that causes the death of another person. Not all murders are premeditated.

To claim that this poor Hispanic was an innocent victim of a gun simply going off is beyond belief. Just another variation of you fucking Moon Bat's excuse for all the scumbags: "Ma Baby Didndu nutin".

Again, for the intellectually challenged. Involuntary manslaughter has three elements and all must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in order to return a guilty verdict.
  1. Someone was killed as a result of the defendant's actions.
  2. The act either was inherently dangerous to others or done with reckless disregard for human life.
  3. The defendant knew or should have known his or her conduct was a threat to the lives of others.

Ya killing someone by discharging a weapon you are illegally in possession of certainly meets that standard.

Except the prosecution never proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he purposely discharged the weapon. Why not do a little research on a subject before jumping to conclusions. It keeps you from looking like an idiot.
 
This is more about how San Francisco is a sanctuary city. Back in 03' or so, I remember some Californians telling me how disgusted they were with politics and illegal aliens taking over. When Californians question illegals, it makes me wonder.
 
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Spare us your lies the jury had the option to find him guilty of involuntary manslaughter.

Involuntary manslaughter with a ten year sentence and then the gun charge added on top of that and you have the correct verdict for that case. Then on top of that Federal charges of illegal reentry and the sonofabitch stays in jail for at least the next 20 years. That is not real justice for Kate but it better than that jury of San Francisco Moon Bats letting him skate.

It was jury nullification he needs to be charged federally.

No it was not. The prosecutor over-reached and failed miserably.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about, the jury had the option to find him guilty of involuntary manslaughter.

Can you not fawking read? Post 1042. And now for the third flippin time in this thread.

. Involuntary manslaughter has three elements and all must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in order to return a guilty verdict.
  1. Someone was killed as a result of the defendant's actions.
  2. The act either was inherently dangerous to others or done with reckless disregard for human life.
  3. The defendant knew or should have known his or her conduct was a threat to the lives of others.

Already addressed that dipshit, killing someone by discharging a weapon you are illegally in possession of certainly meets that standard.
 
Involuntary manslaughter with a ten year sentence and then the gun charge added on top of that and you have the correct verdict for that case. Then on top of that Federal charges of illegal reentry and the sonofabitch stays in jail for at least the next 20 years. That is not real justice for Kate but it better than that jury of San Francisco Moon Bats letting him skate.

It was jury nullification he needs to be charged federally.

No it was not. The prosecutor over-reached and failed miserably.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about, the jury had the option to find him guilty of involuntary manslaughter.

Can you not fawking read? Post 1042. And now for the third flippin time in this thread.

. Involuntary manslaughter has three elements and all must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in order to return a guilty verdict.
  1. Someone was killed as a result of the defendant's actions.
  2. The act either was inherently dangerous to others or done with reckless disregard for human life.
  3. The defendant knew or should have known his or her conduct was a threat to the lives of others.

Already addressed that dipshit, killing someone by discharging a weapon you are illegally in possession of certainly meets that standard.

Irrelevant, intent is not part of the standard, he was acting in "reckless disregard of human life".
 
She deserved to die for being white, right sploogy?

no, her death was a tragedy.

Just like the other 33,000 gun deaths we have every year because the NRA needs to make a shitload of money.

White people cannot expect the rule of law if minorities make up the jury or the judge.

Fuck everyone of them.

But you don't have a problem when mostly white juries send minorities to prison, every day.


Ohh look, a Communist is again lying. Must be a day ending in "y."

No scumbag, it isn't like the other 27,000 gun deaths (33,000 is yet another lie by you). First off, it isn't suicide the way 25,000 of the gun death are. Secondly, it isn't a gang related murder in Chicago as another 1,800 are. Thirdly, this is a 7 time felon who you Communists claim can never get a gun due to the idiotic assault on civil rights you engage in.

This was the murder of a woman by a criminal who should not have been in the country, and only was because you Communist flagrantly violated the law as his accomplice. This was a felon who is prohibited from having a firearm who oddly didn't give a shit about the laws you Communists fail to enforce in the first place.

You Communists are the real perpetrators of Kate Steinle's murder.

Critical thinking is not your strong suit is it hoss. The fact that this guy was a convicted felon or an "illegal alien" had nothing to do with the shooting. Nor did San Francisco sanctuary city status. He found the gun in the trash. He did not buy it, steal it, or even seek ownership. He had possession for a few moments, which was what he was convicted of. One individual, and one company, bear the most responsibility here, and were I a lawyer representing the family I would be targeting the deep pockets of first, Sauer and Sohn and their US distributor, SIG Arms, for manufacturing and distributing a defective handgun subject to misfiring. And second, the BLM for putting in service such a defective weapon and the agent that failed to adequately secure it. I guarantee I would have a better chance of winning a lucrative judgement than the dumbass prosecutor that attempted to to prosecute this case criminally. First, I don't have to meet the beyond a reasonable doubt standard. Second, there is a legal precedence here and Sauer and Son have even recalled pistols for the very same reason, misfiring. Third, there have been a couple of deaths due to this model gun misfiring, including a law enforcement officer.

But hey, you stupid shits keep wailing about sanctuary cities and illegal immigrants. It reveals you lack of intelligence and critical thinking skills.
Si if he found it in the trash why would the family sue BLM? Careful idiot we are watching your theory!

Pay attention. It was a Sig Sauer pistol. The same pistol that was recalled due to misfires. The same pistol that was withdrawn from service by the Connecticut's Stamford Police Department due to injuries incurred by one of their officers due to a misfire. The BLM was negligent in regards to ineffective, or non-existent, due diligence in regards to the safety of the firearms they issued their employees. Furthermore, the BLM was negligent in regards to training their officers as to the proper securing of their service weapons.
So how did it get in the trash? You said he got it out of the trash?
 

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