Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

[Yurt]

I'll dumb it down for you as far as I can, though it probably won't be enough.

Gun laws only prevent honest people from having guns because honest people follow the law. They don't prevent criminals from getting guns since criminals don't follow the law.

So, it seems to be a bit of an issue that repeatedly criminals kill honest people, and the honest people can't defend themselves because the law actually stops them from protecting themselves.

It's also a violation of the Constitution, but it seems like going past simple observation of the world around us and basic logic would solve the problems alone.

I didn't dumb it down enough, did I?

Yeah, you just said exactly what I said you said. If people will break the law, why have a law. After all, the law has to work absolutely perfectly, or it's useless.

What is really scary is that you actually believe yourself and don't get that you making a bullshit argument against a bullshit strawman that is absolutionist. And you think you actually make sense.

Or is it you position that all laws that have been ignored by criminals shoud be eliminated. Afterall, if we have traffic laws then only criminals will speed and run stopsign.

Geeze, you are really fin insane.

God you are retarded. The equivalent would be banning cars from the roads because some crazy nut might use a car to go on a rampage running over pedestrians.

exactly

 

[JoeB131]

yaaa liarberals what is your plan, idea or scheme to keep criminals from obtaining guns ? disarm the law abiding citizens and hope the criminals will reform themselves ??

Criminals have guns because everyone else does.

Take away private gun ownership, the criminals won't be able to get them, either.

Did Prohibition work back in the 20s?

Depends how you define "work".

Did alcohol consumption drop considerably? Yes. Yes it did.

Did it completely end? Nope.

The problem with Prohibition is that people just didn't know what the hell they were passing. They thought it was an anti-Immigrant measure. Those nice white protestants were horrified to find that they couldn't get drinks anymore, either.

 

[JoeB131]

To #2, rightwinger brought this up so I pose the same question. Should Ford be held liable if a drunk driver kills someone who was driving their product?

If Ford were found to specifically be marketting their cars to the drunk driving community, ummmm, yeah. they should.

This is EXACTLY what the NRA and the Gun Manufacturers do. They market to the crazies and the criminal elements SPECIFICALLY so that other people are scared into buying their product.

Now, I should also point out that Bars ARE held liable if they overserve a patron and he goes out and runs down a bunch of nuns and orphans.

LINK

or stfu

So, um, why would anyone produce a gun like the Mack-10, which is pretty much specifically designed for hoodlums?

 

[itfitzme]

1) Complete and thorough background checks.
2) Full liability for gun manufacturers and sellers for crimes committed with their products.
3) Gun buy-backs and stricter licensing.
4) Required insurance for gun ownership.

To #2, rightwinger brought this up so I pose the same question. Should Ford be held liable if a drunk driver kills someone who was driving their product?

If Ford were found to specifically be marketting their cars to the drunk driving community, ummmm, yeah. they should.

This is EXACTLY what the NRA and the Gun Manufacturers do. They market to the crazies and the criminal elements SPECIFICALLY so that other people are scared into buying their product.

Now, I should also point out that Bars ARE held liable if they overserve a patron and he goes out and runs down a bunch of nuns and orphans.

Gun owner insurance is an excellent idea. But I don't suppose he's genuine enough to agree to it.

 

[JoeB131]

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So, the plan for getting guns out of the hands of criminals...?

.

Get them out of the hands of everyone else.

Simple enough.

Pot is completely illegal. Yet it's everywhere. Stop dodging and explain why the same wouldn't happen with guns. Here you go. You make guns illegal, then... and it doesn't work with pot because...

Pot Grows in the ground.

Guns have to be manufactured.

 

[Yurt]

Criminals have guns because everyone else does.

Take away private gun ownership, the criminals won't be able to get them, either.

Did Prohibition work back in the 20s?

Depends how you define "work".

Did alcohol consumption drop considerably? Yes. Yes it did.

Did it completely end? Nope.

The problem with Prohibition is that people just didn't know what the hell they were passing. They thought it was an anti-Immigrant measure. Those nice white protestants were horrified to find that they couldn't get drinks anymore, either.

Alcohol Prohibition Was a Failure

Although consumption of alcohol fell at the beginning of Prohibition, it subsequently increased
http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa157.pdf

 

[Yurt]

Get them out of the hands of everyone else.

Simple enough.

Pot is completely illegal. Yet it's everywhere. Stop dodging and explain why the same wouldn't happen with guns. Here you go. You make guns illegal, then... and it doesn't work with pot because...

Pot Grows in the ground.

Guns have to be manufactured.

cocaine....its illegal status sure didn't stop obama from partaking in "blow"

moron

 

[RKMBrown]

Get them out of the hands of everyone else.

Simple enough.

Pot is completely illegal. Yet it's everywhere. Stop dodging and explain why the same wouldn't happen with guns. Here you go. You make guns illegal, then... and it doesn't work with pot because...

Pot Grows in the ground.

Guns have to be manufactured.

Or you could just print one.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSMzGuboH9o]Plastic Guns - How Soon Until Criminals Use Them? - YouTube[/ame]

 

[itfitzme]

To #2, rightwinger brought this up so I pose the same question. Should Ford be held liable if a drunk driver kills someone who was driving their product?

If Ford were found to specifically be marketting their cars to the drunk driving community, ummmm, yeah. they should.

This is EXACTLY what the NRA and the Gun Manufacturers do. They market to the crazies and the criminal elements SPECIFICALLY so that other people are scared into buying their product.

Now, I should also point out that Bars ARE held liable if they overserve a patron and he goes out and runs down a bunch of nuns and orphans.

LINK

or stfu

Because, if it isn't on the internet, it doesn't exist.

Hey, God isn't on the internet. So there is proof God doesn't exist.

 

[Yurt]

If Ford were found to specifically be marketting their cars to the drunk driving community, ummmm, yeah. they should.

This is EXACTLY what the NRA and the Gun Manufacturers do. They market to the crazies and the criminal elements SPECIFICALLY so that other people are scared into buying their product.

Now, I should also point out that Bars ARE held liable if they overserve a patron and he goes out and runs down a bunch of nuns and orphans.

LINK

or stfu

So, um, why would anyone produce a gun like the Mack-10, which is pretty much specifically designed for hoodlums?

link to the NRA marketing....

we both know you don't have anything so you will continue to deflect and lie

 

[Yurt]

If Ford were found to specifically be marketting their cars to the drunk driving community, ummmm, yeah. they should.

This is EXACTLY what the NRA and the Gun Manufacturers do. They market to the crazies and the criminal elements SPECIFICALLY so that other people are scared into buying their product.

Now, I should also point out that Bars ARE held liable if they overserve a patron and he goes out and runs down a bunch of nuns and orphans.

LINK

or stfu

Because, if it isn't on the internet, it doesn't exist.

Hey, God isn't on the internet. So there is proof God doesn't exist.

so you admit the NRA doesn't have a single ad on the internet to support joe's claim.....

 

[itfitzme]

Yeah, you just said exactly what I said you said. If people will break the law, why have a law. After all, the law has to work absolutely perfectly, or it's useless.

What is really scary is that you actually believe yourself and don't get that you making a bullshit argument against a bullshit strawman that is absolutionist. And you think you actually make sense.

Or is it you position that all laws that have been ignored by criminals shoud be eliminated. Afterall, if we have traffic laws then only criminals will speed and run stopsign.

Geeze, you are really fin insane.

God you are retarded. The equivalent would be banning cars from the roads because some crazy nut might use a car to go on a rampage running over pedestrians.

exactly

The equivalent would be liscencing guns, registering them with the DMV, and mandating insurance.

See how that equivalence thing works? All the components are the same. That is what equivalent means, not some absolutionist, catastrophizing, strawman bullshit.

 

[RKMBrown]

Your so full of shit your eyes are brown.

So do tell, what is it that yoi really mean, if not that liberals expect all gun violence to end by implementing gun laws.

As we are so misunderstanding you, be sure to be clear. We sure wouldn't want to misrepresent your bullshit.

I predict you won't just simply state it in a clear manner.

Gotta admire the consistent stupidity of libtards. Gun free zones in which only criminals are armed. idiots: 1) libtards

So that'll work for you, just imagine the problem is that anyone that dissagrees with you is an idiot liberal. Then you can jerk youself off to the sound of your own voice.

I disagree with republicans just as often as I disagree with democrats.. Gun control, however, is most certainly a libtard plank. Oh.. and get your mind off my penis... jezzz

 

[Yurt]

God you are retarded. The equivalent would be banning cars from the roads because some crazy nut might use a car to go on a rampage running over pedestrians.

exactly

The equivalent would be liscencing guns, registering them with the DMV, and mandating insurance.

See how that equivalence thing works? All the components are the same. That is what equivalent means, not some absolutionist, catastrophizing, strawman bullshit.

driving is not a right, it is a privilege

law, learn it, embrace it

 

[itfitzme]

LINK

or stfu

Because, if it isn't on the internet, it doesn't exist.

Hey, God isn't on the internet. So there is proof God doesn't exist.

so you admit the NRA doesn't have a single ad on the internet to support joe's claim.....

No, I admit that it doesn't have to be on the internet to be true and that there is no such thing as God.

God are you dense.

 

[TemplarKormac]

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So, the plan for getting guns out of the hands of criminals...?

.

Get them out of the hands of everyone else.

Simple enough.

Criminals have guns because EVERYONE ELSE has guns.

WRONG!

Criminals have guns because they procure them on the black market, Joe. Which means if you take away everyone's guns, there will still be murders and gun crimes. This statement is the epitome of the liberal gun control agenda. What is served when everyone is unarmed except the criminal you wish to disarm?

Your logic is flawed.

 

[itfitzme]

exactly

The equivalent would be liscencing guns, registering them with the DMV, and mandating insurance.

See how that equivalence thing works? All the components are the same. That is what equivalent means, not some absolutionist, catastrophizing, strawman bullshit.

driving is not a right, it is a privilege

law, learn it, embrace it

Guns aren't a right either. The right to bear arms doesn't mean you. A right can be regulated. And insured. And resricted.

 

[RKMBrown]

God you are retarded. The equivalent would be banning cars from the roads because some crazy nut might use a car to go on a rampage running over pedestrians.

exactly

The equivalent would be liscencing guns, registering them with the DMV, and mandating insurance.

See how that equivalence thing works? All the components are the same. That is what equivalent means, not some absolutionist, catastrophizing, strawman bullshit.

Wrong again. You already need a license to "hunt" with guns. I can own a car without driving it on public roads, a license is not required on private property. I already have to register if I'm gonna CC. No ban required. I already have homeowners insurance, auto insurance etc. Neither of which are a BAN on home-ownership or driving.

Are you used to being wrong all the time? Or is this a new thing for you?

 

[itfitzme]

[

So, the plan for getting guns out of the hands of criminals...?

.

Get them out of the hands of everyone else.

Simple enough.

Criminals have guns because EVERYONE ELSE has guns.

WRONG!

Criminals have guns because they procure them on the black market, Joe. Which means if you take away everyone's guns, there will still be murders and gun crimes. This statement is the epitome of the liberal gun control agenda. What is served when everyone is unarmed except the criminal you wish to disarm?

Your logic is flawed.

Since when did the black market not include all manufacturers? Yeah, right... they only buy the "illegal" guns.

 

[itfitzme]

exactly

The equivalent would be liscencing guns, registering them with the DMV, and mandating insurance.

See how that equivalence thing works? All the components are the same. That is what equivalent means, not some absolutionist, catastrophizing, strawman bullshit.

Wrong again. You already need a license to "hunt" with guns. I can own a car without driving it on public roads, a license is not required on private property. I already have to register if I'm gonna CC. No ban required. I already have homeowners insurance, auto insurance etc. Neither of which are a BAN on home-ownership or driving.

You still have to register it as non-op. When you purchase a car, you have to liscence and insure it before you drive it off the lot. No liscence, no registration, no using it.

Hey, great idea... If you can get it to your private property without it being on the public areas. great.


I'm just saying, equivalence is all the components are equivalent. The car analogy was your idea.

I haven't argued in favor of anything, just logic, intelligence, and against your bullshit.