Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

[2aguy]

Stating a fact [You're either stupid, or a damn liar. I suspect both.] isn't a personal attack, it's an observation based on your mendacity and lack our comprehension.

Stop lying, and - if you can - think about my posts. Misrepresentation is dishonest and is used by those incapable of writing a substantive rebuttal.

Thanks again, loser. You've proposed licensing and registration a couple dozen times but never once proven that this would be effective. When challenged, you resort to ad hom attacks. You've got NOTHING.

In most states, CCW holders have to have a license. I got mine. I just don't know if it ever helped anybody for any reason. It certainly didn't stop murderers.

When considering unfalsifiable claims, Bertrand Russell used an analogy of a celestial teapot. If a teapot was drifting in space between the Earth and Mars (making it unobservable), he claimed it would be unreasonable to expect belief of the teapot based on their inability to disprove the teapots existence. He compared the belief in God to the belief in a celestial teapot; in both cases it is not the responsibility of disbelievers to disprove its existence.

See: Russell's Teapot

I've never claimed a license of any sort is a panacea, for gun violence or speeding on a public roadway. It is one idea with a specific goal, to mitigate the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them.

It is one idea with a specific goal, to mitigate the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them.

Okay......you posted this, so I ask again....how does the license mitigate the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them?

It would limit the source, to those who disobey the laws. It is a bit more difficult too sell a long gun than a hand gun but easier than selling pot by the gram then any gun.

Next step. A crook is arrested for a petty crime or a wobbler, in his or her possession is a hand gun. The DA is pushing for 1-year county jail, three years probation, or, 20 days CJ, 345 suspended and one year probation if you tell us who sold you the gun, if we use your information and are able to arrest the person who sold you the gun.

How does it limit guns....you still have not explained that...considering that if someone is a friend or a relative of a gang member and is knowingly a straw purchaser, they obviously don't care about the risk....do they? And that is one of the most popular ways for criminals to get guns. So the straw purchaser will get the license, buy the gun and report it lost or stolen as the gang member uses it........making your whole scheme silly.....

And here is a guy who was covicted of a gun crime...armed robbery, served less than 2 years on the paltry 3 year sentence....and now has killed 2 innocent people.....

Suspected Killer, a Convicted Felon on Probation, on the run in FL

Chandler is a convicted felon who was released from prison in September 2011, after serving less than two years on a three-year sentence for attempted armed robbery with a weapon.

According to court records, Chandler walked into a convenience store in Bradenton with a handgun, jumped over the counter and demanded money from the store clerk. The robbery was interrupted by the clerk’s co-worker and Chandler tried to run away, but the clerk held Chandler by his shirt and fought him until police arrived.

He is currently still on probation and his last known residence is approximately three blocks from the convenience store at the center of Monday’s double murder.



Do you think he would get a license for his gun?

How hard was it for this convicted felon to get a gun.....do you really think a requirement for law abiding people to get a license would keep that gun out of his hands.....?

 

[Wry Catcher]

"maybe" is the word I used. I do believe some gun owners (Zimmerman is a good example) seek out situations in their mind wherein they stop a bad guy with their gun. I also believe possessing a gun is much like having a couple of drinks, it can cloud one's judgment.

Yes, guns emanate evil, they could turn Mother Teresa into Charles Bronson, I feel you

Mr. Bronson wasn't evil, his character in all those movies made him a hero, likely movies watched over and over by Zimmerman and others like him.

Zimmerman was "evil?" Tell me how you're smarter than conservatives because you aren't all black and white like they are.

Trayvon and Georgie deserved each other, neither was a good guy. But I wouldn't call either of them "evil"

Trayvon was a minor, Zimmerman had a gun and believed that made him a man. IT didn't! He got his ass kicked by a kid, in a fight he started which happens to most bullie; rather than take his lumps like a man, he took a child's life.

He was a hero to most racists and members of the crazy right wing,

LOL, you say "crazy right wing" but you state every opinion as a fact and it's all one direction. Own your crazy, Holmes

Watson, my opinions have never been proven to be 'crazy'. Of course they are in one direction, the direction I think may mitigate gun violence by getting some guns our of the hands of some people who shouldn't have them.

I've stated several times licensing is NOT a panacea, I suppose my use of a word you don't recognize is the problem. Whenever I do so, please look it up here:

Dictionary and Thesaurus | Merriam-Webster

for example:

panacea | something that will make everything about a situation better

 

[2aguy]

Stating a fact [You're either stupid, or a damn liar. I suspect both.] isn't a personal attack, it's an observation based on your mendacity and lack our comprehension.

Stop lying, and - if you can - think about my posts. Misrepresentation is dishonest and is used by those incapable of writing a substantive rebuttal.

Thanks again, loser. You've proposed licensing and registration a couple dozen times but never once proven that this would be effective. When challenged, you resort to ad hom attacks. You've got NOTHING.

In most states, CCW holders have to have a license. I got mine. I just don't know if it ever helped anybody for any reason. It certainly didn't stop murderers.

When considering unfalsifiable claims, Bertrand Russell used an analogy of a celestial teapot. If a teapot was drifting in space between the Earth and Mars (making it unobservable), he claimed it would be unreasonable to expect belief of the teapot based on their inability to disprove the teapots existence. He compared the belief in God to the belief in a celestial teapot; in both cases it is not the responsibility of disbelievers to disprove its existence.

See: Russell's Teapot

I've never claimed a license of any sort is a panacea, for gun violence or speeding on a public roadway. It is one idea with a specific goal, to mitigate the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them.

It is one idea with a specific goal, to mitigate the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them.

Okay......you posted this, so I ask again....how does the license mitigate the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them?

It would limit the source, to those who disobey the laws. It is a bit more difficult too sell a long gun than a hand gun but easier than selling pot by the gram then any gun.

Next step. A crook is arrested for a petty crime or a wobbler, in his or her possession is a hand gun. The DA is pushing for 1-year county jail, three years probation, or, 20 days CJ, 345 suspended and one year probation if you tell us who sold you the gun, if we use your information and are able to arrest the person who sold you the gun.

It would limit the source, to those who disobey the laws.

HOW DOES IT DO THIS? You still have not explained how that works........

I have shown exactly how real gun control works....if you catch a guy committing a crime with a gun...you arrest him....see, I actually showed how that works...still waiting on you

If you catch a convicted felon just carrying a gun or with a gun in his home...you arrest him and lock him up.....see, I explained how that works....

And you lock them all up for 10 years minimum....and if they use a standard magazine in the weapon in the commission of a crime tack on another 10 years....

And that is how you control guns and keep people from using 30 round magazines for crimes....

Still waiting on your explanation....

 

[Wry Catcher]

Thanks again, loser. You've proposed licensing and registration a couple dozen times but never once proven that this would be effective. When challenged, you resort to ad hom attacks. You've got NOTHING.

In most states, CCW holders have to have a license. I got mine. I just don't know if it ever helped anybody for any reason. It certainly didn't stop murderers.

When considering unfalsifiable claims, Bertrand Russell used an analogy of a celestial teapot. If a teapot was drifting in space between the Earth and Mars (making it unobservable), he claimed it would be unreasonable to expect belief of the teapot based on their inability to disprove the teapots existence. He compared the belief in God to the belief in a celestial teapot; in both cases it is not the responsibility of disbelievers to disprove its existence.

See: Russell's Teapot

I've never claimed a license of any sort is a panacea, for gun violence or speeding on a public roadway. It is one idea with a specific goal, to mitigate the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them.

It is one idea with a specific goal, to mitigate the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them.

Okay......you posted this, so I ask again....how does the license mitigate the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them?

It would limit the source, to those who disobey the laws. It is a bit more difficult too sell a long gun than a hand gun but easier than selling pot by the gram then any gun.

Next step. A crook is arrested for a petty crime or a wobbler, in his or her possession is a hand gun. The DA is pushing for 1-year county jail, three years probation, or, 20 days CJ, 345 suspended and one year probation if you tell us who sold you the gun, if we use your information and are able to arrest the person who sold you the gun.

How does it limit guns....you still have not explained that...considering that if someone is a friend or a relative of a gang member and is knowingly a straw purchaser, they obviously don't care about the risk....do they? And that is one of the most popular ways for criminals to get guns. So the straw purchaser will get the license, buy the gun and report it lost or stolen as the gang member uses it........making your whole scheme silly.....

And here is a guy who was covicted of a gun crime...armed robbery, served less than 2 years on the paltry 3 year sentence....and now has killed 2 innocent people.....

Suspected Killer, a Convicted Felon on Probation, on the run in FL

Chandler is a convicted felon who was released from prison in September 2011, after serving less than two years on a three-year sentence for attempted armed robbery with a weapon.

According to court records, Chandler walked into a convenience store in Bradenton with a handgun, jumped over the counter and demanded money from the store clerk. The robbery was interrupted by the clerk’s co-worker and Chandler tried to run away, but the clerk held Chandler by his shirt and fought him until police arrived.

He is currently still on probation and his last known residence is approximately three blocks from the convenience store at the center of Monday’s double murder.



Do you think he would get a license for his gun?

How hard was it for this convicted felon to get a gun.....do you really think a requirement for law abiding people to get a license would keep that gun out of his hands.....?

It wasn't hard, but if a license and registration of guns were the law the gun could be traced and others arrested and charged as accessories.

 

[2aguy]

OP- Still background check system on all sales that WORKS.

How does that work? Currently, the most common methods of getting guns for criminals is stealing them, and using people who can pass background checks to buy them.....

So...that is how they get them right now...right? True or False?

So.....now you put a background check on all sales...even between 2 brothers and a dad and his son, and they all get background checks......

The gang member gets his family member or freind or pays someone with a clean record to go through the new and improved, jiffy, spiffy extra special background check.........and they pass because they still have a clean record....and the gang member gets the gun.....

Using the same method he used against the first type of background check....

Or he just steals the gun.......

Thereby negating the extra special background check that you want.....

So...how exactly do new and improved background checks do anything differently than the old background checks did?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Thanks again, loser. You've proposed licensing and registration a couple dozen times but never once proven that this would be effective. When challenged, you resort to ad hom attacks. You've got NOTHING.

In most states, CCW holders have to have a license. I got mine. I just don't know if it ever helped anybody for any reason. It certainly didn't stop murderers.

When considering unfalsifiable claims, Bertrand Russell used an analogy of a celestial teapot. If a teapot was drifting in space between the Earth and Mars (making it unobservable), he claimed it would be unreasonable to expect belief of the teapot based on their inability to disprove the teapots existence. He compared the belief in God to the belief in a celestial teapot; in both cases it is not the responsibility of disbelievers to disprove its existence.

See: Russell's Teapot

I've never claimed a license of any sort is a panacea, for gun violence or speeding on a public roadway. It is one idea with a specific goal, to mitigate the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them.

It is one idea with a specific goal, to mitigate the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them.

Okay......you posted this, so I ask again....how does the license mitigate the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them?

It would limit the source, to those who disobey the laws. It is a bit more difficult too sell a long gun than a hand gun but easier than selling pot by the gram then any gun.

Next step. A crook is arrested for a petty crime or a wobbler, in his or her possession is a hand gun. The DA is pushing for 1-year county jail, three years probation, or, 20 days CJ, 345 suspended and one year probation if you tell us who sold you the gun, if we use your information and are able to arrest the person who sold you the gun.

It would limit the source, to those who disobey the laws.

HOW DOES IT DO THIS? You still have not explained how that works........

I have shown exactly how real gun control works....if you catch a guy committing a crime with a gun...you arrest him....see, I actually showed how that works...still waiting on you

If you catch a convicted felon just carrying a gun or with a gun in his home...you arrest him and lock him up.....see, I explained how that works....

And you lock them all up for 10 years minimum....and if they use a standard magazine in the weapon in the commission of a crime tack on another 10 years....

And that is how you control guns and keep people from using 30 round magazines for crimes....

Still waiting on your explanation....

How did the felon get the gun? The answer opens up new doors to explore.

 

[2aguy]

In most states, CCW holders have to have a license. I got mine. I just don't know if it ever helped anybody for any reason. It certainly didn't stop murderers.

When considering unfalsifiable claims, Bertrand Russell used an analogy of a celestial teapot. If a teapot was drifting in space between the Earth and Mars (making it unobservable), he claimed it would be unreasonable to expect belief of the teapot based on their inability to disprove the teapots existence. He compared the belief in God to the belief in a celestial teapot; in both cases it is not the responsibility of disbelievers to disprove its existence.

See: Russell's Teapot

I've never claimed a license of any sort is a panacea, for gun violence or speeding on a public roadway. It is one idea with a specific goal, to mitigate the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them.

It is one idea with a specific goal, to mitigate the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them.

Okay......you posted this, so I ask again....how does the license mitigate the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them?

It would limit the source, to those who disobey the laws. It is a bit more difficult too sell a long gun than a hand gun but easier than selling pot by the gram then any gun.

Next step. A crook is arrested for a petty crime or a wobbler, in his or her possession is a hand gun. The DA is pushing for 1-year county jail, three years probation, or, 20 days CJ, 345 suspended and one year probation if you tell us who sold you the gun, if we use your information and are able to arrest the person who sold you the gun.

How does it limit guns....you still have not explained that...considering that if someone is a friend or a relative of a gang member and is knowingly a straw purchaser, they obviously don't care about the risk....do they? And that is one of the most popular ways for criminals to get guns. So the straw purchaser will get the license, buy the gun and report it lost or stolen as the gang member uses it........making your whole scheme silly.....

And here is a guy who was covicted of a gun crime...armed robbery, served less than 2 years on the paltry 3 year sentence....and now has killed 2 innocent people.....

Suspected Killer, a Convicted Felon on Probation, on the run in FL

Chandler is a convicted felon who was released from prison in September 2011, after serving less than two years on a three-year sentence for attempted armed robbery with a weapon.

According to court records, Chandler walked into a convenience store in Bradenton with a handgun, jumped over the counter and demanded money from the store clerk. The robbery was interrupted by the clerk’s co-worker and Chandler tried to run away, but the clerk held Chandler by his shirt and fought him until police arrived.

He is currently still on probation and his last known residence is approximately three blocks from the convenience store at the center of Monday’s double murder.



Do you think he would get a license for his gun?

How hard was it for this convicted felon to get a gun.....do you really think a requirement for law abiding people to get a license would keep that gun out of his hands.....?

It wasn't hard, but if a license and registration of guns were the law the gun could be traced and others arrested and charged as accessories.

No, they couldn't, because the first thing they do is report the gun stolen. And I notice you said "Registration" when in an earlier post you said you didn't want to register guns......

See, we don't trust you guys....you just want a list of gun owners, legal gun owners.

You don't need a license to do what you just said. You catch the criminal in the act of using the gun in a crime and arrest him...you give him some time off to name his source...no need for a license to know who the gun seller was........

Then the cops send in a cop to buy from the seller and when the cops says he can't pass a background check, and the seller still sells the gun to him....you can arrest him.....right now, with current laws, and you don't need a license for law abiding gun owners to do that...you can already do that with existing law.

So again....why do we need to license gun owners and how does it stop criminals and mass shooters from getting guns?

And how about this........the criminal just gets a fake license...right? Then what?

 

[2aguy]

In most states, CCW holders have to have a license. I got mine. I just don't know if it ever helped anybody for any reason. It certainly didn't stop murderers.

When considering unfalsifiable claims, Bertrand Russell used an analogy of a celestial teapot. If a teapot was drifting in space between the Earth and Mars (making it unobservable), he claimed it would be unreasonable to expect belief of the teapot based on their inability to disprove the teapots existence. He compared the belief in God to the belief in a celestial teapot; in both cases it is not the responsibility of disbelievers to disprove its existence.

See: Russell's Teapot

I've never claimed a license of any sort is a panacea, for gun violence or speeding on a public roadway. It is one idea with a specific goal, to mitigate the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them.

It is one idea with a specific goal, to mitigate the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them.

Okay......you posted this, so I ask again....how does the license mitigate the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them?

It would limit the source, to those who disobey the laws. It is a bit more difficult too sell a long gun than a hand gun but easier than selling pot by the gram then any gun.

Next step. A crook is arrested for a petty crime or a wobbler, in his or her possession is a hand gun. The DA is pushing for 1-year county jail, three years probation, or, 20 days CJ, 345 suspended and one year probation if you tell us who sold you the gun, if we use your information and are able to arrest the person who sold you the gun.

It would limit the source, to those who disobey the laws.

HOW DOES IT DO THIS? You still have not explained how that works........

I have shown exactly how real gun control works....if you catch a guy committing a crime with a gun...you arrest him....see, I actually showed how that works...still waiting on you

If you catch a convicted felon just carrying a gun or with a gun in his home...you arrest him and lock him up.....see, I explained how that works....

And you lock them all up for 10 years minimum....and if they use a standard magazine in the weapon in the commission of a crime tack on another 10 years....

And that is how you control guns and keep people from using 30 round magazines for crimes....

Still waiting on your explanation....

How did the felon get the gun? The answer opens up new doors to explore.

No it doesn't Wry...we know how.....he got it illegally and without a background check. And he wouldn't have been able to get a license or a carry permit, but he still would have gotten the gun.

 

[2aguy]

Yes, guns emanate evil, they could turn Mother Teresa into Charles Bronson, I feel you

Mr. Bronson wasn't evil, his character in all those movies made him a hero, likely movies watched over and over by Zimmerman and others like him.

Zimmerman was "evil?" Tell me how you're smarter than conservatives because you aren't all black and white like they are.

Trayvon and Georgie deserved each other, neither was a good guy. But I wouldn't call either of them "evil"

Trayvon was a minor, Zimmerman had a gun and believed that made him a man. IT didn't! He got his ass kicked by a kid, in a fight he started which happens to most bullie; rather than take his lumps like a man, he took a child's life.

He was a hero to most racists and members of the crazy right wing,

LOL, you say "crazy right wing" but you state every opinion as a fact and it's all one direction. Own your crazy, Holmes

Watson, my opinions have never been proven to be 'crazy'. Of course they are in one direction, the direction I think may mitigate gun violence by getting some guns our of the hands of some people who should have have them.

I've stated several times licensing is NOT a panacea, I suppose my use of a word you don't recognize is the problem. Whenever I do so, please look it up here:

Dictionary and Thesaurus | Merriam-Webster

for example:

panacea | something that will make everything about a situation better

I've stated several times licensing is NOT a panacea,

Not only is a license not a "panacea" but it actually doesn't do anything...so it would almost be an UN-panacea...since it doesn't do one thing to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and mass shooters.

 

[Wry Catcher]

OP- Still background check system on all sales that WORKS.

How does that work? Currently, the most common methods of getting guns for criminals is stealing them, and using people who can pass background checks to buy them.....

So...that is how they get them right now...right? True or False?

So.....now you put a background check on all sales...even between 2 brothers and a dad and his son, and they all get background checks......

The gang member gets his family member or freind or pays someone with a clean record to go through the new and improved, jiffy, spiffy extra special background check.........and they pass because they still have a clean record....and the gang member gets the gun.....

Using the same method he used against the first type of background check....

Or he just steals the gun.......

Thereby negating the extra special background check that you want.....

So...how exactly do new and improved background checks do anything differently than the old background checks did?

Your scenarios are loop holes, that's true. You are also making the case for a national gun registration.

I've said it's time to protect capitalism from the capitalists; now it seems time to protect the Second Amendment from people like you, M14 and Kaz.

 

[francoHFW]

OP- Still background check system on all sales that WORKS.

How does that work? Currently, the most common methods of getting guns for criminals is stealing them, and using people who can pass background checks to buy them.....

So...that is how they get them right now...right? True or False?

So.....now you put a background check on all sales...even between 2 brothers and a dad and his son, and they all get background checks......

The gang member gets his family member or freind or pays someone with a clean record to go through the new and improved, jiffy, spiffy extra special background check.........and they pass because they still have a clean record....and the gang member gets the gun.....

Using the same method he used against the first type of background check....

Or he just steals the gun.......

Thereby negating the extra special background check that you want.....

So...how exactly do new and improved background checks do anything differently than the old background checks did?

They work. Luckily, 80% of Americans aren't FOS like you.

 

[francoHFW]

Mr. Bronson wasn't evil, his character in all those movies made him a hero, likely movies watched over and over by Zimmerman and others like him.

Zimmerman was "evil?" Tell me how you're smarter than conservatives because you aren't all black and white like they are.

Trayvon and Georgie deserved each other, neither was a good guy. But I wouldn't call either of them "evil"

Trayvon was a minor, Zimmerman had a gun and believed that made him a man. IT didn't! He got his ass kicked by a kid, in a fight he started which happens to most bullie; rather than take his lumps like a man, he took a child's life.

He was a hero to most racists and members of the crazy right wing,

LOL, you say "crazy right wing" but you state every opinion as a fact and it's all one direction. Own your crazy, Holmes

Watson, my opinions have never been proven to be 'crazy'. Of course they are in one direction, the direction I think may mitigate gun violence by getting some guns our of the hands of some people who should have have them.

I've stated several times licensing is NOT a panacea, I suppose my use of a word you don't recognize is the problem. Whenever I do so, please look it up here:

Dictionary and Thesaurus | Merriam-Webster

for example:

panacea | something that will make everything about a situation better

I've stated several times licensing is NOT a panacea,

Not only is a license not a "panacea" but it actually doesn't do anything...so it would almost be an UN-panacea...since it doesn't do one thing to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and mass shooters.

OP- Still background check system on all sales that WORKS.

How does that work? Currently, the most common methods of getting guns for criminals is stealing them, and using people who can pass background checks to buy them.....

So...that is how they get them right now...right? True or False?

So.....now you put a background check on all sales...even between 2 brothers and a dad and his son, and they all get background checks......

The gang member gets his family member or freind or pays someone with a clean record to go through the new and improved, jiffy, spiffy extra special background check.........and they pass because they still have a clean record....and the gang member gets the gun.....

Using the same method he used against the first type of background check....

Or he just steals the gun.......

Thereby negating the extra special background check that you want.....

So...how exactly do new and improved background checks do anything differently than the old background checks did?

They work. Luckily, 80% of Americans aren't FOS like you.

Originally, guns now come fron gun shows in silly states. lol

 

[2aguy]

OP- Still background check system on all sales that WORKS.

How does that work? Currently, the most common methods of getting guns for criminals is stealing them, and using people who can pass background checks to buy them.....

So...that is how they get them right now...right? True or False?

So.....now you put a background check on all sales...even between 2 brothers and a dad and his son, and they all get background checks......

The gang member gets his family member or freind or pays someone with a clean record to go through the new and improved, jiffy, spiffy extra special background check.........and they pass because they still have a clean record....and the gang member gets the gun.....

Using the same method he used against the first type of background check....

Or he just steals the gun.......

Thereby negating the extra special background check that you want.....

So...how exactly do new and improved background checks do anything differently than the old background checks did?

They work. Luckily, 80% of Americans aren't FOS like you.

I'm sorry...did you actually want to respond to the post with an accurate answer?......I'll wait until you do....

 

[Ernie S.]

Unlike you, i've actually met gay people in my life. And i've also met many gun-obsessed Gun Nuts. So i can give a more credible assessment than you can.

LOL, your assessment of gun owners is "credible?" Yeah, bitch, right

Because he claims to have sold guns....

Yeah, selling a gun to a gun-obsessed Gun Nut is real difficult. Guns & bullets are like to crack to em. I assure you, i sold many. However I regret it now somewhat. I realize now that many of em shouldn't have been anywhere near firearms. Most had an unhealthy obsession with firearms.

Guns and bullets to gun nuts are like lipstick and mascara to you, are they?

Is it hard to sell crack to a crack addict? Right. It isn't hard to sell a gun to a Gun Nut. Nuff said.

I'm about to buy 2 Colt 1873's

 

[Wry Catcher]

When considering unfalsifiable claims, Bertrand Russell used an analogy of a celestial teapot. If a teapot was drifting in space between the Earth and Mars (making it unobservable), he claimed it would be unreasonable to expect belief of the teapot based on their inability to disprove the teapots existence. He compared the belief in God to the belief in a celestial teapot; in both cases it is not the responsibility of disbelievers to disprove its existence.

See: Russell's Teapot

I've never claimed a license of any sort is a panacea, for gun violence or speeding on a public roadway. It is one idea with a specific goal, to mitigate the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them.

It is one idea with a specific goal, to mitigate the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them.

Okay......you posted this, so I ask again....how does the license mitigate the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them?

It would limit the source, to those who disobey the laws. It is a bit more difficult too sell a long gun than a hand gun but easier than selling pot by the gram then any gun.

Next step. A crook is arrested for a petty crime or a wobbler, in his or her possession is a hand gun. The DA is pushing for 1-year county jail, three years probation, or, 20 days CJ, 345 suspended and one year probation if you tell us who sold you the gun, if we use your information and are able to arrest the person who sold you the gun.

It would limit the source, to those who disobey the laws.

HOW DOES IT DO THIS? You still have not explained how that works........

I have shown exactly how real gun control works....if you catch a guy committing a crime with a gun...you arrest him....see, I actually showed how that works...still waiting on you

If you catch a convicted felon just carrying a gun or with a gun in his home...you arrest him and lock him up.....see, I explained how that works....

And you lock them all up for 10 years minimum....and if they use a standard magazine in the weapon in the commission of a crime tack on another 10 years....

And that is how you control guns and keep people from using 30 round magazines for crimes....

Still waiting on your explanation....

How did the felon get the gun? The answer opens up new doors to explore.

No it doesn't Wry...we know how.....he got it illegally and without a background check. And he wouldn't have been able to get a license or a carry permit, but he still would have gotten the gun.

He acted illegally, the seller may not have acted illegally. Do you understand why?

 

[2aguy]

Zimmerman was "evil?" Tell me how you're smarter than conservatives because you aren't all black and white like they are.

Trayvon and Georgie deserved each other, neither was a good guy. But I wouldn't call either of them "evil"

Trayvon was a minor, Zimmerman had a gun and believed that made him a man. IT didn't! He got his ass kicked by a kid, in a fight he started which happens to most bullie; rather than take his lumps like a man, he took a child's life.

He was a hero to most racists and members of the crazy right wing,

LOL, you say "crazy right wing" but you state every opinion as a fact and it's all one direction. Own your crazy, Holmes

Watson, my opinions have never been proven to be 'crazy'. Of course they are in one direction, the direction I think may mitigate gun violence by getting some guns our of the hands of some people who should have have them.

I've stated several times licensing is NOT a panacea, I suppose my use of a word you don't recognize is the problem. Whenever I do so, please look it up here:

Dictionary and Thesaurus | Merriam-Webster

for example:

panacea | something that will make everything about a situation better

I've stated several times licensing is NOT a panacea,

Not only is a license not a "panacea" but it actually doesn't do anything...so it would almost be an UN-panacea...since it doesn't do one thing to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and mass shooters.

OP- Still background check system on all sales that WORKS.

How does that work? Currently, the most common methods of getting guns for criminals is stealing them, and using people who can pass background checks to buy them.....

So...that is how they get them right now...right? True or False?

So.....now you put a background check on all sales...even between 2 brothers and a dad and his son, and they all get background checks......

The gang member gets his family member or freind or pays someone with a clean record to go through the new and improved, jiffy, spiffy extra special background check.........and they pass because they still have a clean record....and the gang member gets the gun.....

Using the same method he used against the first type of background check....

Or he just steals the gun.......

Thereby negating the extra special background check that you want.....

So...how exactly do new and improved background checks do anything differently than the old background checks did?

They work. Luckily, 80% of Americans aren't FOS like you.

Originally, guns now come fron gun shows in silly states. lol

Hmmm...did background checks stop any of the mass shooters....or how about the guy I just posted about.....convicted of armed robbery with a gun, sentenced to 3 years, and out in under 2, gets a gun and murders 2 store clerks.......did the background check system stop him?

And let's say you get what you want and every single sale of a legal item has to go through a background check....

How do criminals get their guns...1) they steal them 2) they get someone who can pass a background check to buy the gun for them.......3) or a seller sells the gun even thought they can't pass the background check....

So......in which of the three methods are criminals or mass shooters stopped.

 

[2aguy]

Okay......you posted this, so I ask again....how does the license mitigate the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them?

It would limit the source, to those who disobey the laws. It is a bit more difficult too sell a long gun than a hand gun but easier than selling pot by the gram then any gun.

Next step. A crook is arrested for a petty crime or a wobbler, in his or her possession is a hand gun. The DA is pushing for 1-year county jail, three years probation, or, 20 days CJ, 345 suspended and one year probation if you tell us who sold you the gun, if we use your information and are able to arrest the person who sold you the gun.

It would limit the source, to those who disobey the laws.

HOW DOES IT DO THIS? You still have not explained how that works........

I have shown exactly how real gun control works....if you catch a guy committing a crime with a gun...you arrest him....see, I actually showed how that works...still waiting on you

If you catch a convicted felon just carrying a gun or with a gun in his home...you arrest him and lock him up.....see, I explained how that works....

And you lock them all up for 10 years minimum....and if they use a standard magazine in the weapon in the commission of a crime tack on another 10 years....

And that is how you control guns and keep people from using 30 round magazines for crimes....

Still waiting on your explanation....

How did the felon get the gun? The answer opens up new doors to explore.

No it doesn't Wry...we know how.....he got it illegally and without a background check. And he wouldn't have been able to get a license or a carry permit, but he still would have gotten the gun.

He acted illegally, the seller may not have acted illegally. Do you understand why?

Wry....I know exactly the issue....you guys don't. It shows in all of your posts. Would licensing have stoped this guy, no. Would a background check have stopped this guy? No.

 

[Ernie S.]

What a stupid ass. Yes, moron, we want criminals to have guns. You caught us. What an idiot

"maybe" is the word I used. I do believe some gun owners (Zimmerman is a good example) seek out situations in their mind wherein they stop a bad guy with their gun. I also believe possessing a gun is much like having a couple of drinks, it can cloud one's judgment.

Yes, guns emanate evil, they could turn Mother Teresa into Charles Bronson, I feel you

Mr. Bronson wasn't evil, his character in all those movies made him a hero, likely movies watched over and over by Zimmerman and others like him.

Zimmerman was "evil?" Tell me how you're smarter than conservatives because you aren't all black and white like they are.

Trayvon and Georgie deserved each other, neither was a good guy. But I wouldn't call either of them "evil"

Trayvon was a minor, Zimmerman had a gun and believed that made him a man. IT didn't! He got his ass kicked by a kid, in a fight he started which happens to most bullie; rather than take his lumps like a man, he took a child's life.

He was a hero to most racists and members of the crazy right wing,

Not according to the jury.Had the jury thought Zimmerman started the fight, he could not have gotten off with self defence. I thought you were a former LEO?????

So we've established Rye Catcher is a fraud. Cool!

 

[2aguy]

"maybe" is the word I used. I do believe some gun owners (Zimmerman is a good example) seek out situations in their mind wherein they stop a bad guy with their gun. I also believe possessing a gun is much like having a couple of drinks, it can cloud one's judgment.

Yes, guns emanate evil, they could turn Mother Teresa into Charles Bronson, I feel you

Mr. Bronson wasn't evil, his character in all those movies made him a hero, likely movies watched over and over by Zimmerman and others like him.

Zimmerman was "evil?" Tell me how you're smarter than conservatives because you aren't all black and white like they are.

Trayvon and Georgie deserved each other, neither was a good guy. But I wouldn't call either of them "evil"

Trayvon was a minor, Zimmerman had a gun and believed that made him a man. IT didn't! He got his ass kicked by a kid, in a fight he started which happens to most bullie; rather than take his lumps like a man, he took a child's life.

He was a hero to most racists and members of the crazy right wing,

Not according to the jury.Had the jury thought Zimmerman started the fight, he could not have gotten off with self defence. I thought you were a former LEO?????

So we've established Rye Catcher is a fraud. Cool!

Of course he is a fraud, he's a lefty....

 

[Ernie S.]

Make all gun manufacturers responsible for any misdeeds in which a gun is involved. Insurance companies will back this law as will many users of guns.

Is Ford held responsible if you drive a Mustang when you're 3 sheets to the wind?
When they are, you'll have an argument. Til then, get back in the clown car with Franco.