Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

[paulitician]

Is it hard to sell crack to a crack addict? Right. It isn't hard to sell a gun to a Gun Nut. Nuff said.

No harder than selling you a complete line of rouges

Like i said, most gay people i've met are pretty cool. Wouldn't hurt a fly. You loony Gun Nuts on the other hand?...

You've never met a gay person, you aren't aware they are people like the rest of us. Ditto gun owners. You are the proverbial guy who lives in his parent's basement and doesn't interact with the world

Most Gun Nuts i've met are hostile arrogant know-it-alls. They think because they have a 100 guns, that makes them tougher and smarter. But actually, it only shows them for who they really are... Insecure, paranoid, hateful, tiny-dicked loons. Sorry, but it is what it is.

I've never met one of those, and I've known a lot of gun owners. Of course the ones I know are real people, not imaginary

Gun nuts are compensating. They compensate for having tiny penises and tiny brains. Hence all the know-it-all bluster and acquiring numerous firearms. They're hostile and have really big mouths. I grew tired of em. I got out of the gun selling business.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Notice the author of the OP is unable to properly define the problem. Once again:

How do criminals procure guns?

They buy them from criminals. ALREADY a crime, right?

So every gun produced has been purchased by a criminal from a criminal? Or, only criminals have guns? Or a person is not a criminal until he sells a gun without doing a background check?

No guns are ever purchased from a neighbor, in the parking lot of a gun show or in a local bar?

Stating a fact [You're either stupid, or a damn liar. I suspect both.] isn't a personal attack, it's an observation based on your mendacity and lack our comprehension.

Stop lying, and - if you can - think about my posts. Misrepresentation is dishonest and is used by those incapable of writing a substantive rebuttal.

Thanks again, loser. You've proposed licensing and registration a couple dozen times but never once proven that this would be effective. When challenged, you resort to ad hom attacks. You've got NOTHING.

Please post the post wherein I proposed registration. On another thread I posited guns needed to be insured in case of theft and registered with an insurance company, not a government agency, so that if stolen, they could be traced back to the source. Laws can prevent the governemnt from accessing such a registration shielding the number and type of firearms from the government.

In fact I have no problem with registering my gun, why do you? Paranoid?

Licensing would in effect register a weapon, would it not?
I buy a license to purchase a pistol, government knows I own a pistol.

Sorry I suppose laws can be written to shield registration lists, but those laws can be modified and the list is there
Hell, there are laws making it improper to conduct government business via non-government email accounts. There are rules against using the IRS to impede your political rivals. There are laws prohibiting the sale of weapons to Mexican drug cartels.
I should trust government after the last 6.5 years?
So yes. I have a problem registering my weapons that are currently not on any government list.

Have you read the posts on all of the gun threads. Did you notice how many gun nuts brag about their collection and the new guns they have purchased?

Right, you split on things you buy and bang them on cement. That is supposed to prove what exactly?

Holy Cow! Word Salad ^^^. The dude must of lost his only marble.

 

[2aguy]

You're either stupid, or a damn liar. I suspect both.

Thanks for conceding defeat.
Your argument is proven ineffective and you go to the personal attack.

Stating a fact [You're either stupid, or a damn liar. I suspect both.] isn't a personal attack, it's an observation based on your mendacity and lack our comprehension.

Stop lying, and - if you can - think about my posts. Misrepresentation is dishonest and is used by those incapable of writing a substantive rebuttal.

Thanks again, loser. You've proposed licensing and registration a couple dozen times but never once proven that this would be effective. When challenged, you resort to ad hom attacks. You've got NOTHING.

In most states, CCW holders have to have a license. I got mine. I just don't know if it ever helped anybody for any reason. It certainly didn't stop murderers.

When considering unfalsifiable claims, Bertrand Russell used an analogy of a celestial teapot. If a teapot was drifting in space between the Earth and Mars (making it unobservable), he claimed it would be unreasonable to expect belief of the teapot based on their inability to disprove the teapots existence. He compared the belief in God to the belief in a celestial teapot; in both cases it is not the responsibility of disbelievers to disprove its existence.

See: Russell's Teapot

I've never claimed a license of any sort is a panacea, for gun violence or speeding on a public roadway. It is one idea with a specific goal, to mitigate the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them.

It is one idea with a specific goal, to mitigate the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them.

Okay......you posted this, so I ask again....how does the license mitigate the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them?

 

[2aguy]

Notice the author of the OP is unable to properly define the problem. Once again:

How do criminals procure guns?

We have told you over and over again, they steal them, they get someone who can pass all the laws buy it for them, which, right there ruins your license scheme, or they buy already stolen guns from other criminals. Those are the most popular ways.

 

[danielpalos]

mustering well regulated militias of the People.

 

[2aguy]

Notice the author of the OP is unable to properly define the problem. Once again:

How do criminals procure guns?

They buy them from criminals. ALREADY a crime, right?

So every gun produced has been purchased by a criminal from a criminal? Or, only criminals have guns? Or a person is not a criminal until he sells a gun without doing a background check?

No guns are ever purchased from a neighbor, in the parking lot of a gun show or in a local bar?

Thanks for conceding defeat.
Your argument is proven ineffective and you go to the personal attack.

Stating a fact [You're either stupid, or a damn liar. I suspect both.] isn't a personal attack, it's an observation based on your mendacity and lack our comprehension.

Stop lying, and - if you can - think about my posts. Misrepresentation is dishonest and is used by those incapable of writing a substantive rebuttal.

Thanks again, loser. You've proposed licensing and registration a couple dozen times but never once proven that this would be effective. When challenged, you resort to ad hom attacks. You've got NOTHING.

Please post the post wherein I proposed registration. On another thread I posited guns needed to be insured in case of theft and registered with an insurance company, not a government agency, so that if stolen, they could be traced back to the source. Laws can prevent the governemnt from accessing such a registration shielding the number and type of firearms from the government.

In fact I have no problem with registering my gun, why do you? Paranoid?

Licensing would in effect register a weapon, would it not?
I buy a license to purchase a pistol, government knows I own a pistol.

Sorry I suppose laws can be written to shield registration lists, but those laws can be modified and the list is there
Hell, there are laws making it improper to conduct government business via non-government email accounts. There are rules against using the IRS to impede your political rivals. There are laws prohibiting the sale of weapons to Mexican drug cartels.
I should trust government after the last 6.5 years?
So yes. I have a problem registering my weapons that are currently not on any government list.

Have you read the posts on all of the gun threads. Did you notice how many gun nuts brag about their collection and the new guns they have purchased?

In the parking lot of a gun show means the guy can't pass a Federal Background check since all vendors at a gun show must run a federal background check...right now....it is already law. So....the guy who sells in the parking lot of the gun show knows that the guy he is selling to can't own the gun legally or he would be buying it from a vendor......

How does licensing stop that? Since the guy selling the gun obviously thinks the risk of getting caught and losing his freedom, money and gun rights forever are worth the risk....

How does licensing the law abiding gun owner stop that sale?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You're either stupid, or a damn liar. I suspect both.

Thanks for conceding defeat.
Your argument is proven ineffective and you go to the personal attack.

Stating a fact [You're either stupid, or a damn liar. I suspect both.] isn't a personal attack, it's an observation based on your mendacity and lack our comprehension.

Stop lying, and - if you can - think about my posts. Misrepresentation is dishonest and is used by those incapable of writing a substantive rebuttal.

Thanks again, loser. You've proposed licensing and registration a couple dozen times but never once proven that this would be effective. When challenged, you resort to ad hom attacks. You've got NOTHING.

In most states, CCW holders have to have a license. I got mine. I just don't know if it ever helped anybody for any reason. It certainly didn't stop murderers.

When considering unfalsifiable claims, Bertrand Russell used an analogy of a celestial teapot. If a teapot was drifting in space between the Earth and Mars (making it unobservable), he claimed it would be unreasonable to expect belief of the teapot based on their inability to disprove the teapots existence. He compared the belief in God to the belief in a celestial teapot; in both cases it is not the responsibility of disbelievers to disprove its existence.

See: Russell's Teapot

I've never claimed a license of any sort is a panacea, for gun violence or speeding on a public roadway. It is one idea with a specific goal, to mitigate the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them.

How would a license or registration of firearms do that? There would still be the same amount of guns on the street. If somebody breaks into my home and steals my registered guns, the registration doesn't do squat, and that goes double if I were registered as a gun owner.

 

[kaz]

Notice the author of the OP is unable to properly define the problem. Once again:

How do criminals procure guns?

They buy them from criminals. ALREADY a crime, right?

So every gun produced has been purchased by a criminal from a criminal? Or, only criminals have guns? Or a person is not a criminal until he sells a gun without doing a background check?

No guns are ever purchased from a neighbor, in the parking lot of a gun show or in a local bar?

Thanks again, loser. You've proposed licensing and registration a couple dozen times but never once proven that this would be effective. When challenged, you resort to ad hom attacks. You've got NOTHING.

Please post the post wherein I proposed registration. On another thread I posited guns needed to be insured in case of theft and registered with an insurance company, not a government agency, so that if stolen, they could be traced back to the source. Laws can prevent the governemnt from accessing such a registration shielding the number and type of firearms from the government.

In fact I have no problem with registering my gun, why do you? Paranoid?

Licensing would in effect register a weapon, would it not?
I buy a license to purchase a pistol, government knows I own a pistol.

Sorry I suppose laws can be written to shield registration lists, but those laws can be modified and the list is there
Hell, there are laws making it improper to conduct government business via non-government email accounts. There are rules against using the IRS to impede your political rivals. There are laws prohibiting the sale of weapons to Mexican drug cartels.
I should trust government after the last 6.5 years?
So yes. I have a problem registering my weapons that are currently not on any government list.

Have you read the posts on all of the gun threads. Did you notice how many gun nuts brag about their collection and the new guns they have purchased?

Right, you split on things you buy and bang them on cement. That is supposed to prove what exactly?

Holy Cow! Word Salad ^^^. The dude must of lost his only marble.

Simple English is beyond your comprehension

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You know what none of those do? Tell us how you are going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. All you're proposing is limiting our ability to defend ourselves. Criminals love these laws, it makes them a lot safer

You're either stupid, or a damn liar. I suspect both.

Thanks for conceding defeat.
Your argument is proven ineffective and you go to the personal attack.

Stating a fact [You're either stupid, or a damn liar. I suspect both.] isn't a personal attack, it's an observation based on your mendacity and lack our comprehension.

Stop lying, and - if you can - think about my posts. Misrepresentation is dishonest and is used by those incapable of writing a substantive rebuttal.

Thanks again, loser. You've proposed licensing and registration a couple dozen times but never once proven that this would be effective. When challenged, you resort to ad hom attacks. You've got NOTHING.

Please post the post wherein I proposed registration. On another thread I posited guns needed to be insured in case of theft and registered with an insurance company, not a government agency, so that if stolen, they could be traced back to the source. Laws can prevent the governemnt from accessing such a registration shielding the number and type of firearms from the government.

In fact I have no problem with registering my gun, why do you? Paranoid?

Who do you know that doesn't have their guns insured? That's automatic with home or rental insurance.

 

[Wry Catcher]

FIRST, define the problem: How do Criminals get Guns?

Then seek a solution.

Maybe the gun lovers above don't want a solution? Some because in their wet dreams, they can one day be a hero and stop a bad guy with gun; and, some who simply profit from the sale of guns to any buyer with cash.

I doubt any of them today really believe they could take on a modern military, let alone ours.

What a stupid ass. Yes, moron, we want criminals to have guns. You caught us. What an idiot

"maybe" is the word I used. I do believe some gun owners (Zimmerman is a good example) seek out situations in their mind wherein they stop a bad guy with their gun. I also believe possessing a gun is much like having a couple of drinks, it can cloud one's judgment.

Yes, guns emanate evil, they could turn Mother Teresa into Charles Bronson, I feel you

Mr. Bronson wasn't evil, his character in all those movies made him a hero, likely movies watched over and over by Zimmerman and others like him.

Zimmerman was "evil?" Tell me how you're smarter than conservatives because you aren't all black and white like they are.

Trayvon and Georgie deserved each other, neither was a good guy. But I wouldn't call either of them "evil"

Trayvon was a minor, Zimmerman had a gun and believed that made him a man. IT didn't! He got his ass kicked by a kid, in a fight he started which happens to most bullie; rather than take his lumps like a man, he took a child's life.

He was a hero to most racists and members of the crazy right wing,

 

[regent]

Make all gun manufacturers responsible for any misdeeds in which a gun is involved. Insurance companies will back this law as will many users of guns.

 

[M14 Shooter]

What a stupid ass. Yes, moron, we want criminals to have guns. You caught us. What an idiot

"maybe" is the word I used. I do believe some gun owners (Zimmerman is a good example) seek out situations in their mind wherein they stop a bad guy with their gun. I also believe possessing a gun is much like having a couple of drinks, it can cloud one's judgment.

Yes, guns emanate evil, they could turn Mother Teresa into Charles Bronson, I feel you

Mr. Bronson wasn't evil, his character in all those movies made him a hero, likely movies watched over and over by Zimmerman and others like him.

Zimmerman was "evil?" Tell me how you're smarter than conservatives because you aren't all black and white like they are.

Trayvon and Georgie deserved each other, neither was a good guy. But I wouldn't call either of them "evil"

Trayvon was a minor, Zimmerman had a gun and believed that made him a man. IT didn't! He got his ass kicked by a kid, in a fight he started which happens to most bullie; rather than take his lumps like a man, he took a child's life.
He was a hero to most racists and members of the crazy right wing,

Why do you hate the fact that Zimmerman did not murder a black guy?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Make all gun manufacturers responsible for any misdeeds in which a gun is involved. Insurance companies will back this law as will many users of guns.

More mindless nonsense.

 

[Wry Catcher]

You're either stupid, or a damn liar. I suspect both.

Thanks for conceding defeat.
Your argument is proven ineffective and you go to the personal attack.

Stating a fact [You're either stupid, or a damn liar. I suspect both.] isn't a personal attack, it's an observation based on your mendacity and lack our comprehension.

Stop lying, and - if you can - think about my posts. Misrepresentation is dishonest and is used by those incapable of writing a substantive rebuttal.

Thanks again, loser. You've proposed licensing and registration a couple dozen times but never once proven that this would be effective. When challenged, you resort to ad hom attacks. You've got NOTHING.

Please post the post wherein I proposed registration. On another thread I posited guns needed to be insured in case of theft and registered with an insurance company, not a government agency, so that if stolen, they could be traced back to the source. Laws can prevent the governemnt from accessing such a registration shielding the number and type of firearms from the government.

In fact I have no problem with registering my gun, why do you? Paranoid?

Who do you know that doesn't have their guns insured? That's automatic with home or rental insurance.

What type of insurance are you asking about? Theft of personal property for sure and it is good practice to keep a copy of the bill of sale and a photograph of the gun if stolen or damaged in a fire.

Liability insurance is different, some companies may find the risk to great and cancel the policy, others may raise the premium and deductible, based on the number and type of weapons as well as other factors.

If I had to guess, those with weapons considered to be "assault", and those with a large cache, are probably self insured.

 

[francoHFW]

OP- Still background check system on all sales that WORKS.

 

[kaz]

What a stupid ass. Yes, moron, we want criminals to have guns. You caught us. What an idiot

"maybe" is the word I used. I do believe some gun owners (Zimmerman is a good example) seek out situations in their mind wherein they stop a bad guy with their gun. I also believe possessing a gun is much like having a couple of drinks, it can cloud one's judgment.

Yes, guns emanate evil, they could turn Mother Teresa into Charles Bronson, I feel you

Mr. Bronson wasn't evil, his character in all those movies made him a hero, likely movies watched over and over by Zimmerman and others like him.

Zimmerman was "evil?" Tell me how you're smarter than conservatives because you aren't all black and white like they are.

Trayvon and Georgie deserved each other, neither was a good guy. But I wouldn't call either of them "evil"

Trayvon was a minor, Zimmerman had a gun and believed that made him a man. IT didn't! He got his ass kicked by a kid, in a fight he started which happens to most bullie; rather than take his lumps like a man, he took a child's life.

He was a hero to most racists and members of the crazy right wing,

LOL, you say "crazy right wing" but you state every opinion as a fact and it's all one direction. Own your crazy, Holmes

 

[kaz]

Thanks for conceding defeat.
Your argument is proven ineffective and you go to the personal attack.

Stating a fact [You're either stupid, or a damn liar. I suspect both.] isn't a personal attack, it's an observation based on your mendacity and lack our comprehension.

Stop lying, and - if you can - think about my posts. Misrepresentation is dishonest and is used by those incapable of writing a substantive rebuttal.

Thanks again, loser. You've proposed licensing and registration a couple dozen times but never once proven that this would be effective. When challenged, you resort to ad hom attacks. You've got NOTHING.

Please post the post wherein I proposed registration. On another thread I posited guns needed to be insured in case of theft and registered with an insurance company, not a government agency, so that if stolen, they could be traced back to the source. Laws can prevent the governemnt from accessing such a registration shielding the number and type of firearms from the government.

In fact I have no problem with registering my gun, why do you? Paranoid?

Who do you know that doesn't have their guns insured? That's automatic with home or rental insurance.

What type of insurance are you asking about? Theft of personal property for sure and it is good practice to keep a copy of the bill of sale and a photograph of the gun if stolen or damaged in a fire.

Liability insurance is different, some companies may find the risk to great and cancel the policy, others may raise the premium and deductible, based on the number and type of weapons as well as other factors.

If I had to guess, those with weapons considered to be "assault", and those with a large cache, are probably self insured.

Well, your "guess" is as good as a fact to me, so I'll go with that

 

[kaz]

Make all gun manufacturers responsible for any misdeeds in which a gun is involved. Insurance companies will back this law as will many users of guns.

OK, so we shut down all domestic producers and criminals rely on the 310 million existing guns and the world full of guns with the open borders you support. And the benefit of that is what? You get a hard on that you shut down all the domestic gun manufacturers

 

[Wry Catcher]

"maybe" is the word I used. I do believe some gun owners (Zimmerman is a good example) seek out situations in their mind wherein they stop a bad guy with their gun. I also believe possessing a gun is much like having a couple of drinks, it can cloud one's judgment.

Yes, guns emanate evil, they could turn Mother Teresa into Charles Bronson, I feel you

Mr. Bronson wasn't evil, his character in all those movies made him a hero, likely movies watched over and over by Zimmerman and others like him.

Zimmerman was "evil?" Tell me how you're smarter than conservatives because you aren't all black and white like they are.

Trayvon and Georgie deserved each other, neither was a good guy. But I wouldn't call either of them "evil"

Trayvon was a minor, Zimmerman had a gun and believed that made him a man. IT didn't! He got his ass kicked by a kid, in a fight he started which happens to most bullie; rather than take his lumps like a man, he took a child's life.
He was a hero to most racists and members of the crazy right wing,

Why do you hate the fact that Zimmerman did not murder a black guy?

Why are you so stupid; or maybe English isn't your native language. Hmm, do you and Sarah Palin both speak American? Syntax isn't your forte.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Thanks for conceding defeat.
Your argument is proven ineffective and you go to the personal attack.

Stating a fact [You're either stupid, or a damn liar. I suspect both.] isn't a personal attack, it's an observation based on your mendacity and lack our comprehension.

Stop lying, and - if you can - think about my posts. Misrepresentation is dishonest and is used by those incapable of writing a substantive rebuttal.

Thanks again, loser. You've proposed licensing and registration a couple dozen times but never once proven that this would be effective. When challenged, you resort to ad hom attacks. You've got NOTHING.

In most states, CCW holders have to have a license. I got mine. I just don't know if it ever helped anybody for any reason. It certainly didn't stop murderers.

When considering unfalsifiable claims, Bertrand Russell used an analogy of a celestial teapot. If a teapot was drifting in space between the Earth and Mars (making it unobservable), he claimed it would be unreasonable to expect belief of the teapot based on their inability to disprove the teapots existence. He compared the belief in God to the belief in a celestial teapot; in both cases it is not the responsibility of disbelievers to disprove its existence.

See: Russell's Teapot

I've never claimed a license of any sort is a panacea, for gun violence or speeding on a public roadway. It is one idea with a specific goal, to mitigate the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them.

It is one idea with a specific goal, to mitigate the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them.

Okay......you posted this, so I ask again....how does the license mitigate the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them?

It would limit the source, to those who disobey the laws. It is a bit more difficult too sell a long gun than a hand gun but easier than selling pot by the gram then any gun.

Next step. A crook is arrested for a petty crime or a wobbler, in his or her possession is a hand gun. The DA is pushing for 1-year county jail, three years probation, or, 20 days CJ, 345 suspended and one year probation if you tell us who sold you the gun, if we use your information and are able to arrest the person who sold you the gun.