Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

[kaz]

Every time there's a shooting, liberals run around saying this proves we need more gun laws. I ask liberals over and over how exactly you are going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals every time you say you want more gun laws.

In particular, address given that drugs are illegal, and yet any parent knows any kid can get as much pot as they want. There are millions of guns in the US, millions more in the world. So don't just say more laws, explain how more laws are going to actually work.

So, there have been 7 shootings killing at least 10 people in the last decade. The only thing you've achieved so far is that no one was shooting back.

keep teenagers from having sex.... whats yours?

i'm so bored with gun obsessed loons trying to say that guns shouldn't be regulated because some bad guys will still get guns but never once question drunk driving laws, criminal statutes or any other law that governs criminal behavior.

as if any of them were 100%.

idiotic question... but typical rightwnignut garbage.

So since you can't produce a 100% plan to meet your own ridiculous standard you won't produce any plan at all and claim victory

 

[kaz]

Every time there's a shooting, liberals run around saying this proves we need more gun laws. I ask liberals over and over how exactly you are going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals every time you say you want more gun laws.

In particular, address given that drugs are illegal, and yet any parent knows any kid can get as much pot as they want. There are millions of guns in the US, millions more in the world. So don't just say more laws, explain how more laws are going to actually work.

So, there have been 7 shootings killing at least 10 people in the last decade. The only thing you've achieved so far is that no one was shooting back.

Could do as they do in China, KSA, and elsewhere and execute violent criminals first offense. There some reason we want violent predators having the opportunity to reoffend?

You seriously proposing that?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Every time there's a shooting, liberals run around saying this proves we need more gun laws. I ask liberals over and over how exactly you are going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals every time you say you want more gun laws.

In particular, address given that drugs are illegal, and yet any parent knows any kid can get as much pot as they want. There are millions of guns in the US, millions more in the world. So don't just say more laws, explain how more laws are going to actually work.

So, there have been 7 shootings killing at least 10 people in the last decade. The only thing you've achieved so far is that no one was shooting back.

Could do as they do in China, KSA, and elsewhere and execute violent criminals first offense. There some reason we want violent predators having the opportunity to reoffend?

You seriously proposing that?

Absolutely. Why wouldn't we? Something good about an animal preying upon the weak we'd wanna keep them around?

 

[kaz]

Every time there's a shooting, liberals run around saying this proves we need more gun laws. I ask liberals over and over how exactly you are going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals every time you say you want more gun laws.

In particular, address given that drugs are illegal, and yet any parent knows any kid can get as much pot as they want. There are millions of guns in the US, millions more in the world. So don't just say more laws, explain how more laws are going to actually work.

So, there have been 7 shootings killing at least 10 people in the last decade. The only thing you've achieved so far is that no one was shooting back.

Could do as they do in China, KSA, and elsewhere and execute violent criminals first offense. There some reason we want violent predators having the opportunity to reoffend?

You seriously proposing that?

Absolutely. Why wouldn't we? Something good about an animal preying upon the weak we'd wanna keep them around?

Depends what you mean by "around." On the streets? No. On the gun right side, we always agreed the best way to keep guns out of the hands of criminals was to keep them in jail. I'll let you propose death, it doesn't matter either way, they aren't getting guns.

That doesn't protect you from the crazies though who don't have violent records. The best way to allow you to do that is to allow you to arm yourself

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Every time there's a shooting, liberals run around saying this proves we need more gun laws. I ask liberals over and over how exactly you are going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals every time you say you want more gun laws.

In particular, address given that drugs are illegal, and yet any parent knows any kid can get as much pot as they want. There are millions of guns in the US, millions more in the world. So don't just say more laws, explain how more laws are going to actually work.

So, there have been 7 shootings killing at least 10 people in the last decade. The only thing you've achieved so far is that no one was shooting back.

Could do as they do in China, KSA, and elsewhere and execute violent criminals first offense. There some reason we want violent predators having the opportunity to reoffend?

You seriously proposing that?

Absolutely. Why wouldn't we? Something good about an animal preying upon the weak we'd wanna keep them around?

Depends what you mean by "around." On the streets? No. On the gun right side, we always agreed the best way to keep guns out of the hands of criminals was to keep them in jail. I'll let you propose death, it doesn't matter either way, they aren't getting guns.

That doesn't protect you from the crazies though who don't have violent records. The best way to allow you to do that is to allow you to arm yourself

Don't need to kneecap lawful gun owners trying to protect people from the bad evil ones if after they do something bad and evil you stick a needle in their arm.

 

[Slyhunter]

Every time there's a shooting, liberals run around saying this proves we need more gun laws. I ask liberals over and over how exactly you are going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals every time you say you want more gun laws.

In particular, address given that drugs are illegal, and yet any parent knows any kid can get as much pot as they want. There are millions of guns in the US, millions more in the world. So don't just say more laws, explain how more laws are going to actually work.

So, there have been 7 shootings killing at least 10 people in the last decade. The only thing you've achieved so far is that no one was shooting back.

keep teenagers from having sex.... whats yours?

i'm so bored with gun obsessed loons trying to say that guns shouldn't be regulated because some bad guys will still get guns but never once question drunk driving laws, criminal statutes or any other law that governs criminal behavior.

as if any of them were 100%.

idiotic question... but typical rightwnignut garbage.

outlawing drugs has worked so well.

 

[jillian]

Every time there's a shooting, liberals run around saying this proves we need more gun laws. I ask liberals over and over how exactly you are going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals every time you say you want more gun laws.

In particular, address given that drugs are illegal, and yet any parent knows any kid can get as much pot as they want. There are millions of guns in the US, millions more in the world. So don't just say more laws, explain how more laws are going to actually work.

So, there have been 7 shootings killing at least 10 people in the last decade. The only thing you've achieved so far is that no one was shooting back.

keep teenagers from having sex.... whats yours?

i'm so bored with gun obsessed loons trying to say that guns shouldn't be regulated because some bad guys will still get guns but never once question drunk driving laws, criminal statutes or any other law that governs criminal behavior.

as if any of them were 100%.

idiotic question... but typical rightwnignut garbage.

outlawing drugs has worked so well.

thanks for focusing on drugs. how about robbery? should it not be outlawed because criminals don't listen to the law?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Every time there's a shooting, liberals run around saying this proves we need more gun laws. I ask liberals over and over how exactly you are going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals every time you say you want more gun laws.

In particular, address given that drugs are illegal, and yet any parent knows any kid can get as much pot as they want. There are millions of guns in the US, millions more in the world. So don't just say more laws, explain how more laws are going to actually work.

So, there have been 7 shootings killing at least 10 people in the last decade. The only thing you've achieved so far is that no one was shooting back.

keep teenagers from having sex.... whats yours?

i'm so bored with gun obsessed loons trying to say that guns shouldn't be regulated because some bad guys will still get guns but never once question drunk driving laws, criminal statutes or any other law that governs criminal behavior.

as if any of them were 100%.

idiotic question... but typical rightwnignut garbage.

outlawing drugs has worked so well.

thanks for focusing on drugs. how about robbery? should it not be outlawed because criminals don't listen to the law?

You, again, deliberately fail to grasp the argument.

 

[easyt65]

Obama May Use Executive Action To Impose More Gun Control

“The president has frequently pushed his team to consider a range of executive actions that could more effectively keep guns out of the hands of criminals and others who shouldn’t have access to them. That’s something that is ongoing here.”

Josh Earnest: Obama may do executive action (again) on guns

It's real simple:
1. Name 1 law that would have prevented the Oregon shooting.
2. Name 1 new law that would have prevented the Oregon shooting.
3. Name 1 past or future law that Liberals could pass / impose that criminals would heed.

The answer to all 3 is ZERO, Zilch, Nada, None, Not a One!

Obama, while completely ignoring his hometown's record-setting year for gun violence because it does nothing for his agenda, openly admits he is politicizing the Oregon shooting to push his anti-gun agenda (while arming Mexican Drug Cartels, terrorists, and 'rebels'. He pushes an emotional response, declaring we must do 'SOMETHING' while being completely UNABLE to give any response to the 3 questions above other than 'None / Nothing'. He, however, insists that HE and HE alone can save America by imposing his agenda on Americans and disarming law abiding citizens.

Hey Barry, why don't you try leading by example? Order the schools your kids attend to become 'gun-free zones with guards who have no weapons. Make the WH a gun-free zone where not even your own security members can carry guns. Show us how disarming law abiding citizens (a category which you roughly fall into) are much safer having no ability to defend yourself or your loved ones!

The FACT is that a guard with a gun and having select teachers with concealed carry permits and weapons would have protected those people in Oregon and would have gone farther towards preventing that attack than any law that exists or that you can think of.

If you want to create a new law, though, go for it...and test it out on CRIMINALS ONLY 1st. If it works and it cuts down on their crimes THEN apply it to the law-abiding citizens. Sound stupid? Yeah, about as much as your idea that imposing new laws would have stopped the shooting in Oregon or others in the future.

 

[easyt65]

thanks for focusing on drugs. how about robbery? should it not be outlawed because criminals don't listen to the law?

Robbery is already outlawed. Are people frisked, searched, or arrested BEFORE they commit a crime, just in case and in order to prevent robberies in the future? No... You don't stop crime by targeting law-abiding citizens. Doing so does nothing to stop crime. It is a great example of how more gun control legislation - targeting law-abiding citizens before a crime occurs - will NOT stop shootings like in Oregon.

 

[jillian]

thanks for focusing on drugs. how about robbery? should it not be outlawed because criminals don't listen to the law?

Robbery is already outlawed. Are people frisked, searched, or arrested BEFORE they commit a crime, just in case and in order to prevent robberies in the future? No... You don't stop crime by targeting law-abiding citizens. Doing so does nothing to stop crime. It is a great example of how more gun control legislation - targeting law-abiding citizens before a crime occurs - will NOT stop shootings like in Oregon.

the point dear, is that the argument that requiring better gun laws won't work because "bad guys" won't listen to them is idiotic.

 

[M14 Shooter]

thanks for focusing on drugs. how about robbery? should it not be outlawed because criminals don't listen to the law?

Robbery is already outlawed. Are people frisked, searched, or arrested BEFORE they commit a crime, just in case and in order to prevent robberies in the future? No... You don't stop crime by targeting law-abiding citizens. Doing so does nothing to stop crime. It is a great example of how more gun control legislation - targeting law-abiding citizens before a crime occurs - will NOT stop shootings like in Oregon.

the point dear, is that the argument that requiring better gun laws won't work because "bad guys" won't listen to them is idiotic.

Far less so than the idea that it is possible to enact a law that will prevent people from breaking the law.

 

[easyt65]

the point dear, is that the argument that requiring better gun laws won't work because "bad guys" won't listen to them is idiotic.

The argument that more gun laws - which admittedly would NOT have stopped the Oregon shooting and will not stop such shootings in the future - won't work because criminals won't listen to them is a dumb / false argument to you, correct?! WHY?

We have already established there is not 1 law that could have prevented the Oregon shooting specifically BECAUSE the shooter did not obey existing law.

We have already established that there is no law that WILL stop such shootings in the future because guys like this will NOT be deterred by additional laws.

Then HOW can you say that the FACT that criminals do not heed any existing and will not heed any future laws is a bad argument against the Liberal call for more anti-gun legislation that only makes it harder for law-abiding citizens to protect themselves? I'm trying really hard to understand where you're coming from...

 

[easyt65]

If all it took to prevent crime was for a politician to pass a law making the crime illegal then we would not have robberies, murder, rape, assault, illegal immigration, etc would not be happening now. If we could just get those pesky criminals to obey the law. Maybe Obama's right...maybe we just haven't passed the 'RIGHT' laws that criminals will finally obey?!

 

[regent]

The first problem is so many American's love guns. That love affair keeps money flowing into the NRA and that lobby aids the manufacturers of guns to fight any gun laws. Until the gun manufacturers are forced to share some responsibility for their products as do auto, drug and other manufacturers, we will not change. It all begins with the American gun-love affair.

 

[easyt65]

The first problem is so many American's love guns. That love affair keeps money flowing into the NRA and that lobby aids the manufacturers of guns to fight any gun laws. Until the gun manufacturers are forced to share some responsibility for their products as do auto, drug and other manufacturers, we will not change. It all begins with the American gun-love affair.

So you have a problem with Americans loving guns. Got it.

You also have a problem with Americans freely donating their own money to the NRA....much like Pro-abortionists keep funding Planned Parenthood, that believes in the right to abort / murder a baby at any stage of an abortion, dissect it, and sell the parts of for cash and Lamborghinis...So in essence you oppose anyone giving money to organizations you disapprove of. Got it.

You have a problem with CONSERVATIVE lobbyists but are ok with Liberal Lobbyists, such as those for Planned Parent hood that kick back MILLIONS to politicians to keep ensuring they can kill/dissect/sell baby parts at any point during pregnancy while receiving tax payer dollars to do so. Got it.

Perhaps if you recognized the fact that a MASSIVE number more of babies are murdered by an organization that dissects and sells the parts from dead babies - an organization that is PROTECTED by Liberals - than there are Americans killed by guns in this country each year. Abortions kill far more human beings...but Liberals circled the wagons to ensure those murders continue while blaming an organization like the NRA for gun deaths in the US.


BOTTOM LINE:
The NRA did not kill the people in Oregon.
Not one gun killed anyone in Oregon on its own.
Not one existing law could prevent the attack in Oregon.
Not one future law that could be passed could prevent such an attack.
Despite these facts, Liberals / Obama demonize the NRA and want to pass new anti-gun laws (which they KNOW will do nothing).

 

[regent]

The first problem is so many American's love guns. That love affair keeps money flowing into the NRA and that lobby aids the manufacturers of guns to fight any gun laws. Until the gun manufacturers are forced to share some responsibility for their products as do auto, drug and other manufacturers, we will not change. It all begins with the American gun-love affair.

So you have a problem with Americans loving guns. Got it.

You also have a problem with Americans freely donating their own money to the NRA....much like Pro-abortionists keep funding Planned Parenthood, that believes in the right to abort / murder a baby at any stage of an abortion, dissect it, and sell the parts of for cash and Lamborghinis...So in essence you oppose anyone giving money to organizations you disapprove of. Got it.

You have a problem with CONSERVATIVE lobbyists but are ok with Liberal Lobbyists, such as those for Planned Parent hood that kick back MILLIONS to politicians to keep ensuring they can kill/dissect/sell baby parts at any point during pregnancy while receiving tax payer dollars to do so. Got it.

Perhaps if you recognized the fact that a MASSIVE number more of babies are murdered by an organization that dissects and sells the parts from dead babies - an organization that is PROTECTED by Liberals - than there are Americans killed by guns in this country each year. Abortions kill far more human beings...but Liberals circled the wagons to ensure those murders continue while blaming an organization like the NRA for gun deaths in the US.


BOTTOM LINE:
The NRA did not kill the people in Oregon.
Not one gun killed anyone in Oregon on its own.
Not one existing law could prevent the attack in Oregon.
Not one future law that could be passed could prevent such an attack.
Despite these facts, Liberals / Obama demonize the NRA and want to pass new anti-gun laws (which they KNOW will do nothing).

I just don't understand why the gun-love affairs. Have any studies been done on this or is it all a mystery?

 

[easyt65]

I just don't understand why the gun-love affairs. Have any studies been done on this or is it all a mystery?

It is not important or a necessity for you to understand the 'gun love affair'. It is legal and protected by the Constitution. That is all that matters.

 

[danielpalos]

Every time there's a shooting, liberals run around saying this proves we need more gun laws. I ask liberals over and over how exactly you are going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals every time you say you want more gun laws.

In particular, address given that drugs are illegal, and yet any parent knows any kid can get as much pot as they want. There are millions of guns in the US, millions more in the world. So don't just say more laws, explain how more laws are going to actually work.

So, there have been 7 shootings killing at least 10 people in the last decade. The only thing you've achieved so far is that no one was shooting back.

Could do as they do in China, KSA, and elsewhere and execute violent criminals first offense. There some reason we want violent predators having the opportunity to reoffend?

You seriously proposing that?

Absolutely. Why wouldn't we? Something good about an animal preying upon the weak we'd wanna keep them around?

Depends what you mean by "around." On the streets? No. On the gun right side, we always agreed the best way to keep guns out of the hands of criminals was to keep them in jail. I'll let you propose death, it doesn't matter either way, they aren't getting guns.

That doesn't protect you from the crazies though who don't have violent records. The best way to allow you to do that is to allow you to arm yourself

Natural rights are already secured in State Conditions. Why so much socialism?

 

[danielpalos]

The first problem is so many American's love guns. That love affair keeps money flowing into the NRA and that lobby aids the manufacturers of guns to fight any gun laws. Until the gun manufacturers are forced to share some responsibility for their products as do auto, drug and other manufacturers, we will not change. It all begins with the American gun-love affair.

So you have a problem with Americans loving guns. Got it.

You also have a problem with Americans freely donating their own money to the NRA....much like Pro-abortionists keep funding Planned Parenthood, that believes in the right to abort / murder a baby at any stage of an abortion, dissect it, and sell the parts of for cash and Lamborghinis...So in essence you oppose anyone giving money to organizations you disapprove of. Got it.

You have a problem with CONSERVATIVE lobbyists but are ok with Liberal Lobbyists, such as those for Planned Parent hood that kick back MILLIONS to politicians to keep ensuring they can kill/dissect/sell baby parts at any point during pregnancy while receiving tax payer dollars to do so. Got it.

Perhaps if you recognized the fact that a MASSIVE number more of babies are murdered by an organization that dissects and sells the parts from dead babies - an organization that is PROTECTED by Liberals - than there are Americans killed by guns in this country each year. Abortions kill far more human beings...but Liberals circled the wagons to ensure those murders continue while blaming an organization like the NRA for gun deaths in the US.


BOTTOM LINE:
The NRA did not kill the people in Oregon.
Not one gun killed anyone in Oregon on its own.
Not one existing law could prevent the attack in Oregon.
Not one future law that could be passed could prevent such an attack.
Despite these facts, Liberals / Obama demonize the NRA and want to pass new anti-gun laws (which they KNOW will do nothing).

I just don't understand why the gun-love affairs. Have any studies been done on this or is it all a mystery?

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