Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

[billyerock1991]

auditor0007

So, you keep repeating the canard that if we make guns illegal then:

1) Criminals won't be able to get guns
2) Everyone will be safe because no gun and the criminals won't commit the crimes and we're all safe without guns.

So what's your plan? There are 310 million guns in the US and hundreds millions more in the world. Yet you're going to keep all those out of the hands of criminals? Seriously? What's your plan to accomplish that? 6387 posts so far, and no actual plan from any of the liberals? So what's your plan?

no one has ever said we want guns to be made illegal accept morons like you ... heres is what is being said by us liberals ... every time you or any one sells a gun they have to look them up ... don't care if its private or a store sale ... we also have been looking at if you buy bullets each time you have to be looked up to buy bullets too ... will this keep guns out of the hands pf criminals not entirely but it will make it a lot harderr to get bullets too... am I against people buying guns and bullets ??? no they can buy all they want ... but they have to be held more responsible for their guns and bullets .. that what I believe ... the fact that you feel it makes it hard for you to buy a gun, I could care less ... the fact that it makes it harder for a crook to get one is fine with me ,,,

Wrong on all counts....current federal background checks are easily bypassed by criminals who use people with clean records to buy their guns, or they steal them. Your call for universal background checks will just as easily be bypassed....

What you don't realize or care about...it that the anti gun leadership knows this too.....they don't want universal background checks because they think it will stop criminals...they know it won't.....what it does....is make the step for universal gun registration the next step. You can't have universal background checks without gun registration.

Also.....they have changed the word from universal background checks for all "sales" to all "transfers" which means if you loan a gun to your son.....you have to get him checked.....when he hands it back to you....he has to get you checked....

It also means that training and safety classes.......will need to be corporate classes......since they are using universal background check laws to force out smaller gun trainers......

More Responsible....you are nuts.

we have 357,000,000 million guns in private hands.......our gun murder rate is going down, not up....in 2014 there were 8,124 gun murders....90% of those doing the gun murder had multiple convictions and used the illegally possessed guns illegally.....

That means less than 8,124 guns were used illegally.....

That means...356,991,876 million guns in private hands were used responsibly.....

Gun accidents in 2013 when we had 320,000,000 guns in private hands...505.

Not one point you made is factual, reasonable or has any bearing on the reality of gun owners and guns in the United STates.......

Blah blah blah you are so full of it it leaks out your ears ...

 

[asaratis]

It will help keep guns out of the hands of criminals if you make it a very serious crime to PUT a gun in the hands of a criminal.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

auditor0007

So, you keep repeating the canard that if we make guns illegal then:

1) Criminals won't be able to get guns
2) Everyone will be safe because no gun and the criminals won't commit the crimes and we're all safe without guns.

So what's your plan? There are 310 million guns in the US and hundreds millions more in the world. Yet you're going to keep all those out of the hands of criminals? Seriously? What's your plan to accomplish that? 6387 posts so far, and no actual plan from any of the liberals? So what's your plan?

1. Ban possession of all firearms and ammunition Illegal possession carries a $1,000 fine and mandatory 1 year in jail. The fine and jail terms double every year. Five years later it is a $16,000 fine and 16 years in jail.

2. Information leading to the arrest and conviction of anyone in illegal possession of a firearm receives a reward equal to the fine on the year of arrest. Rat out someone who has a gun seven years after passage of the law and collect a $64,000 reward. Folks will be lined up around the block of every police station waiting to turn in friends, family and neighbors for that reward money.

3. All persons entering the US are subject to search for guns and ammunition. Conviction carries a mandatory life sentence without parole.

What a glorious and happy land America will be only ten years after this ground-breaking law comes into effect!

Fishy's plan ^ is a Police State for all! Brilliant. UnAmerican as all get-out. But very -- uh -- clever.

 

[Rustic]

Buy more guns and ammo...

 

[Fishlore]

auditor0007

So, you keep repeating the canard that if we make guns illegal then:

1) Criminals won't be able to get guns
2) Everyone will be safe because no gun and the criminals won't commit the crimes and we're all safe without guns.

So what's your plan? There are 310 million guns in the US and hundreds millions more in the world. Yet you're going to keep all those out of the hands of criminals? Seriously? What's your plan to accomplish that? 6387 posts so far, and no actual plan from any of the liberals? So what's your plan?

1. Ban possession of all firearms and ammunition Illegal possession carries a $1,000 fine and mandatory 1 year in jail. The fine and jail terms double every year. Five years later it is a $16,000 fine and 16 years in jail.

2. Information leading to the arrest and conviction of anyone in illegal possession of a firearm receives a reward equal to the fine on the year of arrest. Rat out someone who has a gun seven years after passage of the law and collect a $64,000 reward. Folks will be lined up around the block of every police station waiting to turn in friends, family and neighbors for that reward money.

3. All persons entering the US are subject to search for guns and ammunition. Conviction carries a mandatory life sentence without parole.

What a glorious and happy land America will be only ten years after this ground-breaking law comes into effect!

Fishy's plan ^ is a Police State for all! Brilliant. UnAmerican as all get-out. But very -- uh -- clever.

Stern enforcement of specific laws doesn't make America a police state. Our suppression attempts in regard to illegal drugs doesn't make us a police state. Similar legal effort to make guns illegal and remove them from American society wouldn't make us a police state either. I respect your strong opposition to my proposal but wild exaggeration isn't effective. Japan has some of the most restrictive gun legislation on the planet but nobody is seriously suggesting that Japan is a police state.

 

[Rustic]

auditor0007

So, you keep repeating the canard that if we make guns illegal then:

1) Criminals won't be able to get guns
2) Everyone will be safe because no gun and the criminals won't commit the crimes and we're all safe without guns.

So what's your plan? There are 310 million guns in the US and hundreds millions more in the world. Yet you're going to keep all those out of the hands of criminals? Seriously? What's your plan to accomplish that? 6387 posts so far, and no actual plan from any of the liberals? So what's your plan?

1. Ban possession of all firearms and ammunition Illegal possession carries a $1,000 fine and mandatory 1 year in jail. The fine and jail terms double every year. Five years later it is a $16,000 fine and 16 years in jail.

2. Information leading to the arrest and conviction of anyone in illegal possession of a firearm receives a reward equal to the fine on the year of arrest. Rat out someone who has a gun seven years after passage of the law and collect a $64,000 reward. Folks will be lined up around the block of every police station waiting to turn in friends, family and neighbors for that reward money.

3. All persons entering the US are subject to search for guns and ammunition. Conviction carries a mandatory life sentence without parole.

What a glorious and happy land America will be only ten years after this ground-breaking law comes into effect!

Fishy's plan ^ is a Police State for all! Brilliant. UnAmerican as all get-out. But very -- uh -- clever.

Stern enforcement of specific laws doesn't make America a police state. Our suppression attempts in regard to illegal drugs doesn't make us a police state. Similar legal effort to make guns illegal and remove them from American society wouldn't make us a police state either. I respect your strong opposition to my proposal but wild exaggeration isn't effective. Japan has some of the most restrictive gun legislation on the planet but nobody is seriously suggesting that Japan is a police state.

But this is America, not Japan. Millions upon millions have no desire to be anything like Japan…

 

[IlarMeilyr]

auditor0007

So, you keep repeating the canard that if we make guns illegal then:

1) Criminals won't be able to get guns
2) Everyone will be safe because no gun and the criminals won't commit the crimes and we're all safe without guns.

So what's your plan? There are 310 million guns in the US and hundreds millions more in the world. Yet you're going to keep all those out of the hands of criminals? Seriously? What's your plan to accomplish that? 6387 posts so far, and no actual plan from any of the liberals? So what's your plan?

1. Ban possession of all firearms and ammunition Illegal possession carries a $1,000 fine and mandatory 1 year in jail. The fine and jail terms double every year. Five years later it is a $16,000 fine and 16 years in jail.

2. Information leading to the arrest and conviction of anyone in illegal possession of a firearm receives a reward equal to the fine on the year of arrest. Rat out someone who has a gun seven years after passage of the law and collect a $64,000 reward. Folks will be lined up around the block of every police station waiting to turn in friends, family and neighbors for that reward money.

3. All persons entering the US are subject to search for guns and ammunition. Conviction carries a mandatory life sentence without parole.

What a glorious and happy land America will be only ten years after this ground-breaking law comes into effect!

Fishy's plan ^ is a Police State for all! Brilliant. UnAmerican as all get-out. But very -- uh -- clever.

Stern enforcement of specific laws doesn't make America a police state. Our suppression attempts in regard to illegal drugs doesn't make us a police state. Similar legal effort to make guns illegal and remove them from American society wouldn't make us a police state either. I respect your strong opposition to my proposal but wild exaggeration isn't effective. Japan has some of the most restrictive gun legislation on the planet but nobody is seriously suggesting that Japan is a police state.

Hey fish douche: You cannot simply pass a law such as the simplistic crap YOU proposed since the Constitution says which laws are unauthorized and the Second amendment still exists.

To accomplish your "goal" first you'd have to repeal the Second amendment.

And confiscation of all guns is the very first step IN a police state. Try to learn something of history someday.

 

[kaz]

Stern enforcement of specific laws doesn't make America a police state. Our suppression attempts in regard to illegal drugs doesn't make us a police state. Similar legal effort to make guns illegal and remove them from American society wouldn't make us a police state either. I respect your strong opposition to my proposal but wild exaggeration isn't effective. Japan has some of the most restrictive gun legislation on the planet but nobody is seriously suggesting that Japan is a police state.

The existing laws on drugs and guns don't work either

 

[kaz]

1. Ban possession of all firearms and ammunition Illegal possession carries a $1,000 fine and mandatory 1 year in jail. The fine and jail terms double every year. Five years later it is a $16,000 fine and 16 years in jail.

2. Information leading to the arrest and conviction of anyone in illegal possession of a firearm receives a reward equal to the fine on the year of arrest. Rat out someone who has a gun seven years after passage of the law and collect a $64,000 reward. Folks will be lined up around the block of every police station waiting to turn in friends, family and neighbors for that reward money.

3. All persons entering the US are subject to search for guns and ammunition. Conviction carries a mandatory life sentence without parole.

What a glorious and happy land America will be only ten years after this ground-breaking law comes into effect!

No, it wouldn't, it would be chaos. The reason pot laws don't work is that if a group of college student age kids are smoking pot in a park in their own area, no one will call a cop and if they did the cop probably wouldn't do anything. The people don't in any reasonable percent think it's a big deal. We have 310 million guns in this country, the people overwhelmingly support keeping them legal.

If you got your laws forced through, the police trying to enforce that would meet incredible resistance. They either would have to go to police State tactics or fail and have a constant battle with it's own people. It would end up being like prohibition and finally have to end to stop the madness.

The question to propose laws didn't say, propose how to keep guns from criminals, you may assume any laws would be supported by the people. The challenge is to propose laws that would actually work. So it's a fail, no way this would work. It would be a bigger nightmare than prohibition was.

Now I would go with your plan if you add one caveat. Do the plan for convicted felons and mental loons who through the due process of law have had their right to own a gun removed. Your plan would put them and keep them in jail. It would actually be a big help. Though it wouldn't solve the problem, it's not sufficient.

Criminals buy illegal guns now. The vast majority of crimes are committed with illegally obtained guns. It's just a fact and you didn't solve it

 

[2aguy]

auditor0007

So, you keep repeating the canard that if we make guns illegal then:

1) Criminals won't be able to get guns
2) Everyone will be safe because no gun and the criminals won't commit the crimes and we're all safe without guns.

So what's your plan? There are 310 million guns in the US and hundreds millions more in the world. Yet you're going to keep all those out of the hands of criminals? Seriously? What's your plan to accomplish that? 6387 posts so far, and no actual plan from any of the liberals? So what's your plan?

no one has ever said we want guns to be made illegal accept morons like you ... heres is what is being said by us liberals ... every time you or any one sells a gun they have to look them up ... don't care if its private or a store sale ... we also have been looking at if you buy bullets each time you have to be looked up to buy bullets too ... will this keep guns out of the hands pf criminals not entirely but it will make it a lot harderr to get bullets too... am I against people buying guns and bullets ??? no they can buy all they want ... but they have to be held more responsible for their guns and bullets .. that what I believe ... the fact that you feel it makes it hard for you to buy a gun, I could care less ... the fact that it makes it harder for a crook to get one is fine with me ,,,

Wrong on all counts....current federal background checks are easily bypassed by criminals who use people with clean records to buy their guns, or they steal them. Your call for universal background checks will just as easily be bypassed....

What you don't realize or care about...it that the anti gun leadership knows this too.....they don't want universal background checks because they think it will stop criminals...they know it won't.....what it does....is make the step for universal gun registration the next step. You can't have universal background checks without gun registration.

Also.....they have changed the word from universal background checks for all "sales" to all "transfers" which means if you loan a gun to your son.....you have to get him checked.....when he hands it back to you....he has to get you checked....

It also means that training and safety classes.......will need to be corporate classes......since they are using universal background check laws to force out smaller gun trainers......

More Responsible....you are nuts.

we have 357,000,000 million guns in private hands.......our gun murder rate is going down, not up....in 2014 there were 8,124 gun murders....90% of those doing the gun murder had multiple convictions and used the illegally possessed guns illegally.....

That means less than 8,124 guns were used illegally.....

That means...356,991,876 million guns in private hands were used responsibly.....

Gun accidents in 2013 when we had 320,000,000 guns in private hands...505.

Not one point you made is factual, reasonable or has any bearing on the reality of gun owners and guns in the United STates.......

Blah blah blah you are so full of it it leaks out your ears ...

Wow....what an informed discussion point......did you learn that in pre school?

 

[kaz]

auditor0007

So, you keep repeating the canard that if we make guns illegal then:

1) Criminals won't be able to get guns
2) Everyone will be safe because no gun and the criminals won't commit the crimes and we're all safe without guns.

So what's your plan? There are 310 million guns in the US and hundreds millions more in the world. Yet you're going to keep all those out of the hands of criminals? Seriously? What's your plan to accomplish that? 6387 posts so far, and no actual plan from any of the liberals? So what's your plan?

no one has ever said we want guns to be made illegal accept morons like you ... heres is what is being said by us liberals ... every time you or any one sells a gun they have to look them up ... don't care if its private or a store sale ... we also have been looking at if you buy bullets each time you have to be looked up to buy bullets too ... will this keep guns out of the hands pf criminals not entirely but it will make it a lot harderr to get bullets too... am I against people buying guns and bullets ??? no they can buy all they want ... but they have to be held more responsible for their guns and bullets .. that what I believe ... the fact that you feel it makes it hard for you to buy a gun, I could care less ... the fact that it makes it harder for a crook to get one is fine with me ,,,

Wrong on all counts....current federal background checks are easily bypassed by criminals who use people with clean records to buy their guns, or they steal them. Your call for universal background checks will just as easily be bypassed....

What you don't realize or care about...it that the anti gun leadership knows this too.....they don't want universal background checks because they think it will stop criminals...they know it won't.....what it does....is make the step for universal gun registration the next step. You can't have universal background checks without gun registration.

Also.....they have changed the word from universal background checks for all "sales" to all "transfers" which means if you loan a gun to your son.....you have to get him checked.....when he hands it back to you....he has to get you checked....

It also means that training and safety classes.......will need to be corporate classes......since they are using universal background check laws to force out smaller gun trainers......

More Responsible....you are nuts.

we have 357,000,000 million guns in private hands.......our gun murder rate is going down, not up....in 2014 there were 8,124 gun murders....90% of those doing the gun murder had multiple convictions and used the illegally possessed guns illegally.....

That means less than 8,124 guns were used illegally.....

That means...356,991,876 million guns in private hands were used responsibly.....

Gun accidents in 2013 when we had 320,000,000 guns in private hands...505.

Not one point you made is factual, reasonable or has any bearing on the reality of gun owners and guns in the United STates.......

Blah blah blah you are so full of it it leaks out your ears ...

Wow....what an informed discussion point......did you learn that in pre school?

Billy was just in his way telling you that what you said isn't what leftist lawyers told him to think. He's not very good with words

 

[2aguy]

auditor0007

So, you keep repeating the canard that if we make guns illegal then:

1) Criminals won't be able to get guns
2) Everyone will be safe because no gun and the criminals won't commit the crimes and we're all safe without guns.

So what's your plan? There are 310 million guns in the US and hundreds millions more in the world. Yet you're going to keep all those out of the hands of criminals? Seriously? What's your plan to accomplish that? 6387 posts so far, and no actual plan from any of the liberals? So what's your plan?

1. Ban possession of all firearms and ammunition Illegal possession carries a $1,000 fine and mandatory 1 year in jail. The fine and jail terms double every year. Five years later it is a $16,000 fine and 16 years in jail.

2. Information leading to the arrest and conviction of anyone in illegal possession of a firearm receives a reward equal to the fine on the year of arrest. Rat out someone who has a gun seven years after passage of the law and collect a $64,000 reward. Folks will be lined up around the block of every police station waiting to turn in friends, family and neighbors for that reward money.

3. All persons entering the US are subject to search for guns and ammunition. Conviction carries a mandatory life sentence without parole.

What a glorious and happy land America will be only ten years after this ground-breaking law comes into effect!

Fishy's plan ^ is a Police State for all! Brilliant. UnAmerican as all get-out. But very -- uh -- clever.

Stern enforcement of specific laws doesn't make America a police state. Our suppression attempts in regard to illegal drugs doesn't make us a police state. Similar legal effort to make guns illegal and remove them from American society wouldn't make us a police state either. I respect your strong opposition to my proposal but wild exaggeration isn't effective. Japan has some of the most restrictive gun legislation on the planet but nobody is seriously suggesting that Japan is a police state.

I am.....do you know the police can stop anyone for any reason in Japan and search them. That prosecutors can coerce confessions from suspects and judges allow it...I have posted about this numerous times....

Japanese culture keeps their entire crime rate low, not just murder..........that and the vast police powers they have surrendered to authority...none of which would pass muster with anyone here.....


And when the Japanese Yakuza decide to kill each other...as they did in the 80s and in 2006 (it lasted 7 years) They get all the guns they want as well as grenades....the primary motivating factor of Japanese criminals is money.....our criminals are young, and murder each other over insults on facebook....

 

[Mertex]

Every time there's a shooting, liberals run around saying this proves we need more gun laws. I ask liberals over and over how exactly you are going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals every time you say you want more gun laws.

In particular, address given that drugs are illegal, and yet any parent knows any kid can get as much pot as they want. There are millions of guns in the US, millions more in the world. So don't just say more laws, explain how more laws are going to actually work.

So, there have been 7 shootings killing at least 10 people in the last decade. The only thing you've achieved so far is that no one was shooting back.

Many shooters are not criminals until they get ahold of a gun......what needs to be done is "keeping guns out of irresponsible people" - like in this case. But most gun nuts think everyone is entitled to a gun, and an AR15 if they so desire. Hope these irresponsible people only kill those in their own families....that seems fair.

Child in back seat gets ‘ahold of gun,’ shoots and kills woman driving car

 

[Rustic]

The more this country thinks it should be like other countries(Europe,Japan,etc.) The quicker we will fail, but we were already on that path... Past the point of no return.

 

[2aguy]

auditor0007

So, you keep repeating the canard that if we make guns illegal then:

1) Criminals won't be able to get guns
2) Everyone will be safe because no gun and the criminals won't commit the crimes and we're all safe without guns.

So what's your plan? There are 310 million guns in the US and hundreds millions more in the world. Yet you're going to keep all those out of the hands of criminals? Seriously? What's your plan to accomplish that? 6387 posts so far, and no actual plan from any of the liberals? So what's your plan?

1. Ban possession of all firearms and ammunition Illegal possession carries a $1,000 fine and mandatory 1 year in jail. The fine and jail terms double every year. Five years later it is a $16,000 fine and 16 years in jail.

2. Information leading to the arrest and conviction of anyone in illegal possession of a firearm receives a reward equal to the fine on the year of arrest. Rat out someone who has a gun seven years after passage of the law and collect a $64,000 reward. Folks will be lined up around the block of every police station waiting to turn in friends, family and neighbors for that reward money.

3. All persons entering the US are subject to search for guns and ammunition. Conviction carries a mandatory life sentence without parole.

What a glorious and happy land America will be only ten years after this ground-breaking law comes into effect!

Fishy's plan ^ is a Police State for all! Brilliant. UnAmerican as all get-out. But very -- uh -- clever.

Stern enforcement of specific laws doesn't make America a police state. Our suppression attempts in regard to illegal drugs doesn't make us a police state. Similar legal effort to make guns illegal and remove them from American society wouldn't make us a police state either. I respect your strong opposition to my proposal but wild exaggeration isn't effective. Japan has some of the most restrictive gun legislation on the planet but nobody is seriously suggesting that Japan is a police state.

This is what happens in Japan....a land of gun control when criminals decide to start shooting each other....their gun control laws do not stop it....

Gangs buying up guns and hitmen.....2015

Notice

By proposing high pay, the recruiters are trying to encourage the gang warfare by hinting that those who carry out the first hits will be paid more,” the source said.

A former high-ranking gang member living in the Kanto region said he began receiving calls asking about the availability of loaded guns from around late August, when the Yamaguchi-gumi split came to light.

The calls, eight in total, to the former gangster’s mobile phone continued into September.

Without saying who made the calls, the former gangster said the requests likely came from both sides involved in the Yamaguchi-gumi breakup.

The large number of intermediaries involved in supplying guns made it difficult to pinpoint who was actually going on the shopping spree, the former mobster said.


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By Benjamin David Baker
November 20, 2015

Japan Faces a Possible Mob War After Yakuza Gang Fractures

However, few things are more dangerous than when mob families go to war.

This fear seems to have been vindicated. According to the Asahi Shimbun, both the Yamaguchi-gumi and the thirteen splinter groups have been busy buying up weapons and lining up hitmen. The first shots in this mob war might have already been fired outside a hot spring facility in Iida, Nagano Prefecture. The 43-year-old man who was shot and killed outside a bathhouse on October 6 wanted to leave a Yamaguchi-gumi affiliate and join the newly formed rival organization consisting of the rebel gangs.

In what might be retaliation for this murder, a boss in the original Yamaguchi-gumi was killed on Sunday. Tatsuyuki Hishida was found tied up in his apartment after being bludgeoned to death. Police report that the killing was most likely in response to the Yamaguchi-gumi’s split.

The Japanese government has good reason to fear a gang war. Between 1985 and 1987, 25 Yakuza members were killedand around 70 were injured in a feud involving affiliated rival gangs. That bloodshed was triggered in part over disagreement over who should become the head of the Yamaguchi-gumi. A few years ago, another war broke out between two rival gangs on the southern island of Kyushu, in which mobsters attacked each other with machine guns and grenades.






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The Great Japanese Gang Wars

The season for pineapples (yakuza slang for hand grenades) may finally be over. Jake Adelstein and Nathalie-Kyoko Stucky on the bloody, seven-year battle between the Dojin-kai and the Seido-kai.


In Southern Japan, the brutal pineapple season may finally be over; pineapple is yakuza slang for “hand grenade”—one of the many weapons utilized in a seven-year gang war between the Dojin-kai (1,000 members) and the splinter group the Kyushu Seido-kei (500 members).

It’s a gang war in which there have been over 45 violent incidents, including bombings, shots exchanged during high-speed car chases, and 14 deaths. At least seven deaths, including one civilian's, were from gunfire; a phenomenally high figure when you consider the number of gun deaths for all of Japan in 2011 was eight people. (Japan has some of the strictest gun-control laws in the world.)

On June 11, senior members of the Dojin-kai and the Kyushu Seido-kai (a.k.a. Seido-kai) visited the Fukuoka Police Kurume Police Station with an official announcement that they were ending the conflict. TheSeido-kai brought a virtual white flag, a notification of their dissolution (解散届け), in which they wrote, “For a long time we have made everyone ill at ease, disturbed people, and been a nuisance to society. We have decided our breakup is the only way to restore peace.” The Dojin-kai in turn proclaimed, “Since the Seido-kai is dissolved, this situation is over and we apologize to people and the authorities for the anxiety we have caused.”
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Handouts for Hand Grenades: Yakuza Gang War Leads to an Explosive Bounty

TOKYO -- Japan’s Fukuoka Prefecture Police have become the first in Japan to offer cash rewards to anyone who reports finding a hand grenade (or "pineapples" in yakuza slang) starting today, April 2. A long-running gang war in the prefecture has raised public fear in the area, and the handy hand-grenade has increasingly become the weapon of choice amongst rival gang members. As Japan has put into place increasingly harsher laws regulating the actions of the Japanese mafia, aka the yakuza, forcing many out of business--the remaining thugs are fighting viciously over what's left of the pie

When gang members aren't lobbing grenades or shooting at each other, they are shooting at the offices of companies trying to cut organized crime Last year, on Nov. 26, Toshihiro Uchino, the 72-year-old president of Hakushin Construction --which was trying to cut ties to local gangs---was shot to death outside his home in Kitakyushu.


The most violent of the groups and considered the primary user of hand grenades is the Kyushu Seidokai. The Kyushu Seidokai has expanded into Tokyo, setting up several front companies, and joined forces with Tadamasa Goto, a former Yamaguchi-gumi boss turned Buddhist priest, who has now re-emerged as a powerful player in Japan's underworld. Tokyo Police are also worried that "pineapples" may be thrown around the metropolis in the near future. "A coalition between Goto and the Kyushu Seido-kai doesn't bode well for the public safety," said a detective who works organized crime. "We’re not excited about the possibility of yakuza lobbing grenades into Tokyo offices and homes."
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Japan braces for violence among 'yakuza' crime gangs

TOKYO — Japan is bracing for war.

Not with other countries, but with the nation's notorious gangsters.

A 43-year-old man was gunned down in the parking lot of a hot springs resort in western Japan earlier this month in what authorities say they fear could be the start of a deadly war among the nation's largest organized crime gangs, known collectively as the yakuza.

The powerful Yamaguchi-gumi crime syndicate, which marked its 100th anniversary this year, split into two rival groups in September. Police arrested a member of the Yamaguchi-gumi in the hot springs shooting and identified the victim as a member of the breakaway group.

Analysts said the rupture was due to long-running disputes over succession plans and high fees that member groups were required to pay Yamaguchi-gumi leaders.
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A dispute over the gang’s leadership in the early 1980s led to a two-year war that left an estimated 30 gangsters dead, 70 others wounded and more than 500 in police custody. However, there are no statistics on the number of civilians killed or injured in the violence.

 

[2aguy]

Every time there's a shooting, liberals run around saying this proves we need more gun laws. I ask liberals over and over how exactly you are going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals every time you say you want more gun laws.

In particular, address given that drugs are illegal, and yet any parent knows any kid can get as much pot as they want. There are millions of guns in the US, millions more in the world. So don't just say more laws, explain how more laws are going to actually work.

So, there have been 7 shootings killing at least 10 people in the last decade. The only thing you've achieved so far is that no one was shooting back.

Many shooters are not criminals until they get ahold of a gun......what needs to be done is "keeping guns out of irresponsible people" - like in this case. But most gun nuts think everyone is entitled to a gun, and an AR15 if they so desire. Hope these irresponsible people only kill those in their own families....that seems fair.

Child in back seat gets ‘ahold of gun,’ shoots and kills woman driving car

That is wrong......that isn't even close to being remotely true....

I have posted actual research that shows that 90% of gun murderers have multiple felony convictions....and 70-80% of their victims also have multiple felony convictions...

The myth, the lie that normal people are getting guns and just deciding to commit murder is exactly what I said...a myth and a lie.....

Did you actually look at this or did you just repeat whatever you heard from anti gun sources....?

 

[Rustic]

Every time there's a shooting, liberals run around saying this proves we need more gun laws. I ask liberals over and over how exactly you are going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals every time you say you want more gun laws.

In particular, address given that drugs are illegal, and yet any parent knows any kid can get as much pot as they want. There are millions of guns in the US, millions more in the world. So don't just say more laws, explain how more laws are going to actually work.

So, there have been 7 shootings killing at least 10 people in the last decade. The only thing you've achieved so far is that no one was shooting back.

Many shooters are not criminals until they get ahold of a gun......what needs to be done is "keeping guns out of irresponsible people" - like in this case. But most gun nuts think everyone is entitled to a gun, and an AR15 if they so desire. Hope these irresponsible people only kill those in their own families....that seems fair.

Child in back seat gets ‘ahold of gun,’ shoots and kills woman driving car

Shit happens.
Only dumbass fucking clueless fucknut would think a gun changes a person into a killer… Get your head out of your ass you fucking moron. Lol

 

[kaz]

Every time there's a shooting, liberals run around saying this proves we need more gun laws. I ask liberals over and over how exactly you are going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals every time you say you want more gun laws.

In particular, address given that drugs are illegal, and yet any parent knows any kid can get as much pot as they want. There are millions of guns in the US, millions more in the world. So don't just say more laws, explain how more laws are going to actually work.

So, there have been 7 shootings killing at least 10 people in the last decade. The only thing you've achieved so far is that no one was shooting back.

Many shooters are not criminals until they get ahold of a gun......what needs to be done is "keeping guns out of irresponsible people" - like in this case. But most gun nuts think everyone is entitled to a gun, and an AR15 if they so desire. Hope these irresponsible people only kill those in their own families....that seems fair.

Child in back seat gets ‘ahold of gun,’ shoots and kills woman driving car

That is wrong......that isn't even close to being remotely true....

I have posted actual research that shows that 90% of gun murderers have multiple felony convictions....and 70-80% of their victims also have multiple felony convictions...

The myth, the lie that normal people are getting guns and just deciding to commit murder is exactly what I said...a myth and a lie.....

Did you actually look at this or did you just repeat whatever you heard from anti gun sources....?

Ah, but Mertex is making that shallow point that criminals who commit multiple crimes did an initial crime, and then they wren't a criminal, until the committed the crime.

Not sure what her point was, maybe that it's the gun's fault. They were a fine upstanding youte until the evil aura from the gun caused them to go bad. Who knows

 

[kaz]

Every time there's a shooting, liberals run around saying this proves we need more gun laws. I ask liberals over and over how exactly you are going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals every time you say you want more gun laws.

In particular, address given that drugs are illegal, and yet any parent knows any kid can get as much pot as they want. There are millions of guns in the US, millions more in the world. So don't just say more laws, explain how more laws are going to actually work.

So, there have been 7 shootings killing at least 10 people in the last decade. The only thing you've achieved so far is that no one was shooting back.

Many shooters are not criminals until they get ahold of a gun......what needs to be done is "keeping guns out of irresponsible people" - like in this case. But most gun nuts think everyone is entitled to a gun, and an AR15 if they so desire. Hope these irresponsible people only kill those in their own families....that seems fair.

Child in back seat gets ‘ahold of gun,’ shoots and kills woman driving car

Many women regret abortions afterwards, sometimes years afterwards. So your standard is consistent, right? You want to ban abortions?

 

[easyt65]

Liberals have no plan to keep guns from criminals.

Obama gave thousands of guns to Mexican drug cartels, contributing to the murders of approx 500 people, to include 2 Americans.

Chicago continues to add to its record-setting gun violence / murder rate every day, but liberals ignore it while focusing on legislation designed to strip the right to gear arms from law-abiding citizens.

They do so put of fear that one day those law-abiding citizens will have had enough of their criminal, lying, deceiving tyranny and will fight back / rebel.