Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

[kaz]

auditor0007

So, you keep repeating the canard that if we make guns illegal then:

1) Criminals won't be able to get guns
2) Everyone will be safe because no gun and the criminals won't commit the crimes and we're all safe without guns.

So what's your plan? There are 310 million guns in the US and hundreds millions more in the world. Yet you're going to keep all those out of the hands of criminals? Seriously? What's your plan to accomplish that? 6387 posts so far, and no actual plan from any of the liberals? So what's your plan?

1. Ban possession of all firearms and ammunition Illegal possession carries a $1,000 fine and mandatory 1 year in jail. The fine and jail terms double every year. Five years later it is a $16,000 fine and 16 years in jail.

2. Information leading to the arrest and conviction of anyone in illegal possession of a firearm receives a reward equal to the fine on the year of arrest. Rat out someone who has a gun seven years after passage of the law and collect a $64,000 reward. Folks will be lined up around the block of every police station waiting to turn in friends, family and neighbors for that reward money.

3. All persons entering the US are subject to search for guns and ammunition. Conviction carries a mandatory life sentence without parole.

What a glorious and happy land America will be only ten years after this ground-breaking law comes into effect!

So are all persons entering the US subject to search for cocaine? Is there any place here you cannot buy cocaine?
There is no way to get rid of guns without turning the US into a polcie state, which is what liberals want.

What do you mean? You can't buy cocaine, it's illegal. Didn't you know that? ...

 

[The Rabbi]

auditor0007

So, you keep repeating the canard that if we make guns illegal then:

1) Criminals won't be able to get guns
2) Everyone will be safe because no gun and the criminals won't commit the crimes and we're all safe without guns.

So what's your plan? There are 310 million guns in the US and hundreds millions more in the world. Yet you're going to keep all those out of the hands of criminals? Seriously? What's your plan to accomplish that? 6387 posts so far, and no actual plan from any of the liberals? So what's your plan?

I'm not making an argument to take everyone's guns away, because I understand it will never happen. I'm just stating a fact that no guns equals a much lower homicide rate than we currently have, and that cannot be denied.

No cars would equal a zero auto fatality rate too. Just saying.

There is a much better argument for the need of cars in our lives than there is for guns. Just saying.

"Need" has little to do with it. Government could ban cars legally. They could not do so with guns.

 

[The Rabbi]

auditor0007

So, you keep repeating the canard that if we make guns illegal then:

1) Criminals won't be able to get guns
2) Everyone will be safe because no gun and the criminals won't commit the crimes and we're all safe without guns.

So what's your plan? There are 310 million guns in the US and hundreds millions more in the world. Yet you're going to keep all those out of the hands of criminals? Seriously? What's your plan to accomplish that? 6387 posts so far, and no actual plan from any of the liberals? So what's your plan?

1. Ban possession of all firearms and ammunition Illegal possession carries a $1,000 fine and mandatory 1 year in jail. The fine and jail terms double every year. Five years later it is a $16,000 fine and 16 years in jail.

2. Information leading to the arrest and conviction of anyone in illegal possession of a firearm receives a reward equal to the fine on the year of arrest. Rat out someone who has a gun seven years after passage of the law and collect a $64,000 reward. Folks will be lined up around the block of every police station waiting to turn in friends, family and neighbors for that reward money.

3. All persons entering the US are subject to search for guns and ammunition. Conviction carries a mandatory life sentence without parole.

What a glorious and happy land America will be only ten years after this ground-breaking law comes into effect!

So are all persons entering the US subject to search for cocaine? Is there any place here you cannot buy cocaine?
There is no way to get rid of guns without turning the US into a polcie state, which is what liberals want.

What do you mean? You can't buy cocaine, it's illegal. Didn't you know that? ...

But border checks and having it be illegal do not stop people from buying it. Ergo the same could be said of guns. Only more so. Once cocaine is used up it is gone. Guns are good for over 100 years.

 

[Fishlore]

auditor0007

So, you keep repeating the canard that if we make guns illegal then:

1) Criminals won't be able to get guns
2) Everyone will be safe because no gun and the criminals won't commit the crimes and we're all safe without guns.

So what's your plan? There are 310 million guns in the US and hundreds millions more in the world. Yet you're going to keep all those out of the hands of criminals? Seriously? What's your plan to accomplish that? 6387 posts so far, and no actual plan from any of the liberals? So what's your plan?

1. Ban possession of all firearms and ammunition Illegal possession carries a $1,000 fine and mandatory 1 year in jail. The fine and jail terms double every year. Five years later it is a $16,000 fine and 16 years in jail.

2. Information leading to the arrest and conviction of anyone in illegal possession of a firearm receives a reward equal to the fine on the year of arrest. Rat out someone who has a gun seven years after passage of the law and collect a $64,000 reward. Folks will be lined up around the block of every police station waiting to turn in friends, family and neighbors for that reward money.

3. All persons entering the US are subject to search for guns and ammunition. Conviction carries a mandatory life sentence without parole.

What a glorious and happy land America will be only ten years after this ground-breaking law comes into effect!

So are all persons entering the US subject to search for cocaine? Is there any place here you cannot buy cocaine?
There is no way to get rid of guns without turning the US into a polcie state, which is what liberals want.

What do you mean? You can't buy cocaine, it's illegal. Didn't you know that? ...

But border checks and having it be illegal do not stop people from buying it. Ergo the same could be said of guns. Only more so. Once cocaine is used up it is gone. Guns are good for over 100 years.

Think carefully. If possession is a crime, purchasing is de facto evidence of that crime. There is no reward for turning in a cocaine user. My plan would rapidly escalate the reward for finking on a gun nut into many thousands of dollars. Tips from ex-wives alone would reduce the number of guns in circulation by 25% in less than five years.

 

[The Rabbi]

auditor0007

So, you keep repeating the canard that if we make guns illegal then:

1) Criminals won't be able to get guns
2) Everyone will be safe because no gun and the criminals won't commit the crimes and we're all safe without guns.

So what's your plan? There are 310 million guns in the US and hundreds millions more in the world. Yet you're going to keep all those out of the hands of criminals? Seriously? What's your plan to accomplish that? 6387 posts so far, and no actual plan from any of the liberals? So what's your plan?

1. Ban possession of all firearms and ammunition Illegal possession carries a $1,000 fine and mandatory 1 year in jail. The fine and jail terms double every year. Five years later it is a $16,000 fine and 16 years in jail.

2. Information leading to the arrest and conviction of anyone in illegal possession of a firearm receives a reward equal to the fine on the year of arrest. Rat out someone who has a gun seven years after passage of the law and collect a $64,000 reward. Folks will be lined up around the block of every police station waiting to turn in friends, family and neighbors for that reward money.

3. All persons entering the US are subject to search for guns and ammunition. Conviction carries a mandatory life sentence without parole.

What a glorious and happy land America will be only ten years after this ground-breaking law comes into effect!

So are all persons entering the US subject to search for cocaine? Is there any place here you cannot buy cocaine?
There is no way to get rid of guns without turning the US into a polcie state, which is what liberals want.

What do you mean? You can't buy cocaine, it's illegal. Didn't you know that? ...

But border checks and having it be illegal do not stop people from buying it. Ergo the same could be said of guns. Only more so. Once cocaine is used up it is gone. Guns are good for over 100 years.

Think carefully. If possession is a crime, purchasing is de facto evidence of that crime. There is no reward for turning in a cocaine user. My plan would rapidly escalate the reward for finking on a gun nut into many thousands of dollars. Tips from ex-wives alone would reduce the number of guns in circulation by 25% in less than five years.

Snitches get stitches.

 

[MikeK]

I'm not making an argument to take everyone's guns away, because I understand it will never happen. I'm just stating a fact that no guns equals a much lower homicide rate than we currently have, and that cannot be denied.

The same may be said for restricting the use of motor vehicles to verifiable necessity. And by necessity I mean if you can't get somewhere via public transportation.

Just think what a great country we could have by implementing your idea and mine. And I'm sure we could think of a few more really good ways to solve some problems. The essence of Nineteen Eighty Four.

 

[2aguy]

auditor0007

So, you keep repeating the canard that if we make guns illegal then:

1) Criminals won't be able to get guns
2) Everyone will be safe because no gun and the criminals won't commit the crimes and we're all safe without guns.

So what's your plan? There are 310 million guns in the US and hundreds millions more in the world. Yet you're going to keep all those out of the hands of criminals? Seriously? What's your plan to accomplish that? 6387 posts so far, and no actual plan from any of the liberals? So what's your plan?

I'm not making an argument to take everyone's guns away, because I understand it will never happen. I'm just stating a fact that no guns equals a much lower homicide rate than we currently have, and that cannot be denied.

That isn't true...countries with extreme gun control, but violent cultures have higher gun murder rates than we do.......Mexico is right across the border and the u.s. Counties on the border with Mexico have more legal guns than the Mexican states on the border do.....and the gun murder rate in those Mexican states is way higher than in those Texas counties.......

BRitain confiscated guns and has extreme gun control....right after they confiscated their guns the gun crime rate spiked......and then went right back to where it was before the confiscation...there was no decrease in gun crime...it stayed the same......

Gun crime is not caused by normal,people owning guns......more Americans bought and now carry guns than ever before....and our gun murder rate went down...how do you explain that...?


A Flemish Institute of Peace study I posted last week stated there is no connection between gun ownership rates and gun homicide and gun suicide rates........how do you explain that?


Our gun suicide rate has gone down...not up....as more people own and carry guns...how do you explain that?

 

[2aguy]

auditor0007

So, you keep repeating the canard that if we make guns illegal then:

1) Criminals won't be able to get guns
2) Everyone will be safe because no gun and the criminals won't commit the crimes and we're all safe without guns.

So what's your plan? There are 310 million guns in the US and hundreds millions more in the world. Yet you're going to keep all those out of the hands of criminals? Seriously? What's your plan to accomplish that? 6387 posts so far, and no actual plan from any of the liberals? So what's your plan?

1. Ban possession of all firearms and ammunition Illegal possession carries a $1,000 fine and mandatory 1 year in jail. The fine and jail terms double every year. Five years later it is a $16,000 fine and 16 years in jail.

2. Information leading to the arrest and conviction of anyone in illegal possession of a firearm receives a reward equal to the fine on the year of arrest. Rat out someone who has a gun seven years after passage of the law and collect a $64,000 reward. Folks will be lined up around the block of every police station waiting to turn in friends, family and neighbors for that reward money.

3. All persons entering the US are subject to search for guns and ammunition. Conviction carries a mandatory life sentence without parole.

What a glorious and happy land America will be only ten years after this ground-breaking law comes into effect!

So 1 and 2 are going to scare criminals into not getting a gun when they are planning to commit murder? That's ridiculous

As for 3, so since you people demand we keep the borders open, why are they going to go through legal entry anyway?

The law may not scare criminals, it's intent is to dry up the supply. Of all the tragedies due to guns, premeditated murder is perhaps the least likely to be significantly reduced by eliminating guns. There are lots of ways to kill with time and planning. Impulsive crimes, accidental shootings and suicides will be more effectively reduced. Gang and criminal killings can continue but multiple deaths and collateral injuries will go way down.

I don't know who "you people" you are talking about gun control and border control are not necessarily linked.

There are many countries in which guns were once widely prevalent, ususally as the result of war, in which civiliang guns have been successfully rounded up. It not only can be done, it has been done from China to Greece.

Wrong..the criminals in those countries still get guns.....fully automatic weapons are now being used against British police...their gun crime went up 4% last year...how do you explain that....it is an island nation......

Ditto a Australia........their gun l gels have return d to the level they were at before the confiscation....and they have had many near mass shootings........the only thing that kept the shooters from being mass shooters....they decided not to shoot more people....

Nothing you claim is accurate.....

 

[Centinel]

A good first step is registration of all firearms and background checks on ALL gun sales. Even between private parties. This will allow responsible gun owners to continue to own anything they want but will help place responsibility on to people who sell guns to people who shouldn't have them or end up using them for murder/crime.

We can certainly start there.

I don't think you'll get the necessary number of states to sign off on an amendment allowing that. Currently none of congress' enumerated powers would permit such a law.

 

[asaratis]

As with many other issues discussed here on USMB, the posters that logically say that if we had no guns there would be no gun deaths. What they illogically ignore is that making it unlawful to own or carry a gun does nothing more than make easy targets for those that do not intend to abide by any laws.

This discussion can continue until the cows come home, but it will not change the fact that GUN LAWS MAKE IT DANGEROUS TO BE LAW ABIDING.

 

[NYcarbineer]

It will help keep guns out of the hands of criminals if you make it a very serious crime to PUT a gun in the hands of a criminal.

 

[Centinel]

It will help keep guns out of the hands of criminals if you make it a very serious crime to PUT a gun in the hands of a criminal.

How is someone going to smuggle a gun into a prison so that he can put a gun into the hands of a criminal?

 

[kaz]

auditor0007

So, you keep repeating the canard that if we make guns illegal then:

1) Criminals won't be able to get guns
2) Everyone will be safe because no gun and the criminals won't commit the crimes and we're all safe without guns.

So what's your plan? There are 310 million guns in the US and hundreds millions more in the world. Yet you're going to keep all those out of the hands of criminals? Seriously? What's your plan to accomplish that? 6387 posts so far, and no actual plan from any of the liberals? So what's your plan?

1. Ban possession of all firearms and ammunition Illegal possession carries a $1,000 fine and mandatory 1 year in jail. The fine and jail terms double every year. Five years later it is a $16,000 fine and 16 years in jail.

2. Information leading to the arrest and conviction of anyone in illegal possession of a firearm receives a reward equal to the fine on the year of arrest. Rat out someone who has a gun seven years after passage of the law and collect a $64,000 reward. Folks will be lined up around the block of every police station waiting to turn in friends, family and neighbors for that reward money.

3. All persons entering the US are subject to search for guns and ammunition. Conviction carries a mandatory life sentence without parole.

What a glorious and happy land America will be only ten years after this ground-breaking law comes into effect!

So are all persons entering the US subject to search for cocaine? Is there any place here you cannot buy cocaine?
There is no way to get rid of guns without turning the US into a polcie state, which is what liberals want.

What do you mean? You can't buy cocaine, it's illegal. Didn't you know that? ...

But border checks and having it be illegal do not stop people from buying it. Ergo the same could be said of guns. Only more so. Once cocaine is used up it is gone. Guns are good for over 100 years.

you know I was being factious, right?

 

[Rustic]

 

[Kondor3]

Around Chicago, we merely need to keep guns from Inner City Ghetto Trash.

 

[auditor0007]

auditor0007

So, you keep repeating the canard that if we make guns illegal then:

1) Criminals won't be able to get guns
2) Everyone will be safe because no gun and the criminals won't commit the crimes and we're all safe without guns.

So what's your plan? There are 310 million guns in the US and hundreds millions more in the world. Yet you're going to keep all those out of the hands of criminals? Seriously? What's your plan to accomplish that? 6387 posts so far, and no actual plan from any of the liberals? So what's your plan?

I'm not making an argument to take everyone's guns away, because I understand it will never happen. I'm just stating a fact that no guns equals a much lower homicide rate than we currently have, and that cannot be denied.

That isn't true...countries with extreme gun control, but violent cultures have higher gun murder rates than we do.......Mexico is right across the border and the u.s. Counties on the border with Mexico have more legal guns than the Mexican states on the border do.....and the gun murder rate in those Mexican states is way higher than in those Texas counties.......

BRitain confiscated guns and has extreme gun control....right after they confiscated their guns the gun crime rate spiked......and then went right back to where it was before the confiscation...there was no decrease in gun crime...it stayed the same......

Gun crime is not caused by normal,people owning guns......more Americans bought and now carry guns than ever before....and our gun murder rate went down...how do you explain that...?


A Flemish Institute of Peace study I posted last week stated there is no connection between gun ownership rates and gun homicide and gun suicide rates........how do you explain that?


Our gun suicide rate has gone down...not up....as more people own and carry guns...how do you explain that?

Mexico is in the middle of a very long war between the government and the drug cartels. Mexico's murder rate is heavily skewed because of this.

 

[P@triot]

auditor0007

So, you keep repeating the canard that if we make guns illegal then:

1) Criminals won't be able to get guns
2) Everyone will be safe because no gun and the criminals won't commit the crimes and we're all safe without guns.

So what's your plan? There are 310 million guns in the US and hundreds millions more in the world. Yet you're going to keep all those out of the hands of criminals? Seriously? What's your plan to accomplish that? 6387 posts so far, and no actual plan from any of the liberals? So what's your plan?

I'm not making an argument to take everyone's guns away, because I understand it will never happen. I'm just stating a fact that no guns equals a much lower homicide rate than we currently have, and that cannot be denied.

That isn't true...countries with extreme gun control, but violent cultures have higher gun murder rates than we do.......Mexico is right across the border and the u.s. Counties on the border with Mexico have more legal guns than the Mexican states on the border do.....and the gun murder rate in those Mexican states is way higher than in those Texas counties.......

BRitain confiscated guns and has extreme gun control....right after they confiscated their guns the gun crime rate spiked......and then went right back to where it was before the confiscation...there was no decrease in gun crime...it stayed the same......

Gun crime is not caused by normal,people owning guns......more Americans bought and now carry guns than ever before....and our gun murder rate went down...how do you explain that...?


A Flemish Institute of Peace study I posted last week stated there is no connection between gun ownership rates and gun homicide and gun suicide rates........how do you explain that?


Our gun suicide rate has gone down...not up....as more people own and carry guns...how do you explain that?

Mexico is in the middle of a very long war between the government and the drug cartels. Mexico's murder rate is heavily skewed because of this.

In other words - you don't count it when criminals use guns for crimes in other nations where guns are outlawed because it proves that your position on guns is wrong...

 

[P@triot]

 

[Ernie S.]

auditor0007

So, you keep repeating the canard that if we make guns illegal then:

1) Criminals won't be able to get guns
2) Everyone will be safe because no gun and the criminals won't commit the crimes and we're all safe without guns.

So what's your plan? There are 310 million guns in the US and hundreds millions more in the world. Yet you're going to keep all those out of the hands of criminals? Seriously? What's your plan to accomplish that? 6387 posts so far, and no actual plan from any of the liberals? So what's your plan?

1. Ban possession of all firearms and ammunition Illegal possession carries a $1,000 fine and mandatory 1 year in jail. The fine and jail terms double every year. Five years later it is a $16,000 fine and 16 years in jail.

2. Information leading to the arrest and conviction of anyone in illegal possession of a firearm receives a reward equal to the fine on the year of arrest. Rat out someone who has a gun seven years after passage of the law and collect a $64,000 reward. Folks will be lined up around the block of every police station waiting to turn in friends, family and neighbors for that reward money.

3. All persons entering the US are subject to search for guns and ammunition. Conviction carries a mandatory life sentence without parole.

What a glorious and happy land America will be only ten years after this ground-breaking law comes into effect!

Have you repealed the 2nd Amendment yet?

 

[NYcarbineer]

It will help keep guns out of the hands of criminals if you make it a very serious crime to PUT a gun in the hands of a criminal.

How is someone going to smuggle a gun into a prison so that he can put a gun into the hands of a criminal?

A criminal in this context is a felon who can't legally own a gun who acquires a gun. He's committed a crime. We have to make sure it's a crime for the provider of the gun as well.