Kentucky clerk won't interfere with gay marriage licenses

[mdk]

Neither of which are the law of the land. You're thinking of another country.

Wrong - from the beginning - our founding fathers believed the Word of God to be the truth. There was never any provision for men to marry men or women to marry women. We have no history of such laws. What is happening now is wickedness is taking over the land. Our judges are unrighteous, unholy, blasphemers of God. They have perverted the laws of this land and twisted the meaning of what is holy. They are also under the judgment of God for their actions.

Again, God's word isn't the law of this nation.

Besides, why should I trust you? You turned your back on the one true faith when you decided to join the perverted church you attend now. The only church that can lead to your salvation is The Catholic Church. You should beg for forgiveness for turning your back on the true church. Satan has tricked you. I'll pray for your return.


See I can play the 'you're going to hell' game as well.

Hell is not a game to play. It is a place to avoid at all cost. Even if your entire family disown you for departing from Roman Catholicism. You must do it if you desire to follow Jesus Christ and enter heaven when you leave this earth.

I agree, it isn't a game. That is why you must repent and seek salvation in the one true faith of Jesus Christ, The Cathloic Church. Davis needs to repent as well b/c her sect is an affront to the Lord.

There is no salvation in the Roman Catholic Babylonian cult religion. Nor can you prove there is any in the King James Bible. Because it isn't there.

You have been brainwashed into believing a lie. Buy a King James bible and read it. Watch the video and listen to the former Roman Catholic tell you what happened to him when he learned what the Bible had to say contradicted Roman Catholicism.

Here it is:

I refuse to watch a demonic YouTube video besmirching the one true faith. I bet it was uploaded by Satan himself as Hell likely has high-speed internet.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Wrong - from the beginning - our founding fathers believed the Word of God to be the truth. There was never any provision for men to marry men or women to marry women. We have no history of such laws. What is happening now is wickedness is taking over the land. Our judges are unrighteous, unholy, blasphemers of God. They have perverted the laws of this land and twisted the meaning of what is holy. They are also under the judgment of God for their actions.

Again, God's word isn't the law of this nation.

Besides, why should I trust you? You turned your back on the one true faith when you decided to join the perverted church you attend now. The only church that can lead to your salvation is The Catholic Church. You should beg for forgiveness for turning your back on the true church. Satan has tricked you. I'll pray for your return.


See I can play the 'you're going to hell' game as well.

Hell is not a game to play. It is a place to avoid at all cost. Even if your entire family disown you for departing from Roman Catholicism. You must do it if you desire to follow Jesus Christ and enter heaven when you leave this earth.

I agree, it isn't a game. That is why you must repent and seek salvation in the one true faith of Jesus Christ, The Cathloic Church. Davis needs to repent as well b/c her sect is an affront to the Lord.

There is no salvation in the Roman Catholic Babylonian cult religion. Nor can you prove there is any in the King James Bible. Because it isn't there.

You have been brainwashed into believing a lie. Buy a King James bible and read it. Watch the video and listen to the former Roman Catholic tell you what happened to him when he learned what the Bible had to say contradicted Roman Catholicism.

Here it is:

I refuse to watch a demonic YouTube video besmirching the one true faith. I bet it was uploaded by Satan himself as Hell likely has high-speed internet.

It would have to, imagine how much porn is being watched online in hell every day

 

[mdk]

Again, God's word isn't the law of this nation.

Besides, why should I trust you? You turned your back on the one true faith when you decided to join the perverted church you attend now. The only church that can lead to your salvation is The Catholic Church. You should beg for forgiveness for turning your back on the true church. Satan has tricked you. I'll pray for your return.


See I can play the 'you're going to hell' game as well.

Hell is not a game to play. It is a place to avoid at all cost. Even if your entire family disown you for departing from Roman Catholicism. You must do it if you desire to follow Jesus Christ and enter heaven when you leave this earth.

I agree, it isn't a game. That is why you must repent and seek salvation in the one true faith of Jesus Christ, The Cathloic Church. Davis needs to repent as well b/c her sect is an affront to the Lord.

There is no salvation in the Roman Catholic Babylonian cult religion. Nor can you prove there is any in the King James Bible. Because it isn't there.

You have been brainwashed into believing a lie. Buy a King James bible and read it. Watch the video and listen to the former Roman Catholic tell you what happened to him when he learned what the Bible had to say contradicted Roman Catholicism.

Here it is:

I refuse to watch a demonic YouTube video besmirching the one true faith. I bet it was uploaded by Satan himself as Hell likely has high-speed internet.

It would have to, imagine how much porn is being watched online in hell every day

Likely gay porn and whatever videos Jeremiah posts that sullies The Catholic Church and The Holy See.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

DOMA established federal law regarding the definition of 'marriage'.

Obama refused to enforce the law, and it was finally repealed / eliminated...leaving NO FEDERAL LAW establishing the definition of 'marriage'.

State's can pass laws that can NOT be LESS restrictive that Federal Law and, I believe, that can be MORE restrictive than Federal Law...not sure ,but it doesn't matter...because when DOMA was struck down there was NO FEDERAL LAW defining 'marriage' At this point the states had the authority to pass their own laws...which they did.

At this point the Federal Govt stepped in to trample the hail out of State's Rights, deciding to make States' Rights 'Null and Void'. The Founding Fathers NEVER intended for the Federal Govt to have THIS much / type of authority, to step in and impose edicts on the states. Obama and the Federal Govt has, IMO and the opinions of several lawyers who are challenging this, over-stepped their bounds.

Wrong.

The states have no authority to deny citizens their 14th Amendment rights.

True, but not everything is a right just because a few think it is.

In this particular case, marriage is a right , gay or straight . That's been defined.

Personally , the only way I see states getting away with anything is if they just stop issuing marriage licenses altogether, which I see happening, and think is what SHOULD happen.

Why in the world would anyone want the government defining marriage?

 

[easyt65]

Wrong.

The states have no authority to deny citizens their 14th Amendment rights.

In case you haven't noticed, the GOVERNMENT isn't too worried about preserving or protecting anyone's rights these day...or protecting, defending, or enforcing the Constitution and Rule of Law. lol

 

[playtime]

Jerry, I have a simple question for you.

Suppose you went in to renew your DL and the clerk said "I seen you coming out of church Sunday, I'm not issuing a DL to a Christian, it violates my beliefs"

Would you say "oh well I can't violate his religious beliefs" and walk out without your DL?

No, because the Constitution guarantees me my freedom of religion - America was founded on the Christian faith. The Puritans came here to get away from false religion and man made doctrine. Our founding fathers would agree with me. Not you.

So, you would want the government to FORCE that clerk to issue your DL against HIS religious convictions?

And let me ask you another question. Is that clerk allowed to carry a firearm while at work?

No, I want the government to uphold the Constitution of the United States as it was written. Not as it is rewritten or redefined by those who are unqualified. We have a right to bear arms. Again, I would like to see the government uphold the Constitution and the Bill of Rights as it was written. Not as it has been rewritten, redefined, wrongly re-interpreted!

The Constitution of the United States
* * * * * * * * * *

Article V

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.

Article V, U.S. Constitution


14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution


The 14th Amendment to the Constitution was ratified on July 9, 1868, and granted citizenship to “all persons born or naturalized in the United States,” which included former slaves recently freed. In addition, it forbids states from denying any person "life, liberty or property, without due process of law" or to "deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” By directly mentioning the role of the states, the 14th Amendment greatly expanded the protection of civil rights to all Americans and is cited in more litigation than any other amendment.

14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution: Primary Documents of American History (Virtual Programs & Services, Library of Congress)

So, by your strict definition... the 14th Amendment allowing equal protection should not have extended to the Negro?

 

[easyt65]

True, but not everything is a right just because a few think it is.

Great examples:

Obamacare - only a minority of people supported Obamacare when it was rammed into law.

Iran Deal - 66% of Congress & 78% of the American people

Both were / are Liberal agendas being rammed into law against the majority will of the people.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

True, but not everything is a right just because a few think it is.

Great examples:

Obamacare - only a minority of people supported Obamacare when it was rammed into law.

Iran Deal - 66% of Congress & 78% of the American people

Both were / are Liberal agendas being rammed into law against the majority will of the people.

We don't make law based on the will of the majority, deal with it.

 

[JimH52]

If you make a statement here and expect others to take it as a fact you should provide a link and a source (when it is requested). :"I heard it on TV" is not a link or a source. If I didn't say welcome to USMB earlier - welcome to USMB. I notice you joined recently.

I did not make the original comment about this. You asked SOMEONE if they had a link to this issue. Like a guy walking down the street who sees a car accident and chimes in regarding what he saw, I chimed in to say I had seen the news reports on TV but had seen no articles. I have no 'dog' in this fight, and not trying to prove one 'side' or the other, and I don't care. I just made a random comment.

Sounds like you may have a problem with CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, and Fox who reported thi son the news but who either doesn't have a written article on it or does somewhere but many people have not seen it. Take it up with them.

Thanks for the welcome....see ya 'round the pages.

I am a Christian, but let me ask a hypothetical question. If a DMV employee is Muslim and refuses to issue licenses to females due to her religion, should she be fired or reassigned? It seems to be a question that is pertinent to religious conscious. What do you think?

No, because Islam and Sharia law are not the law of the land. You are thinking Saudi Arabia.

Our constitution upholds Kim Davis's right not to issue a same sex marriage license. If our founding fathers were here they would agree with her. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Not a man and a man or a woman and a woman. The Supreme Court had no right to change the definition of marriage in order to appease the Sodomites of this land.

Christianity is not the "law of the land." Read the constitution. I have a pocket copy if you need it. The Muslim at the DMV may hold the same religious convictions as the Davis woman. You are terribly confused.

 

[Derideo_Te]

State's can pass laws that can NOT be LESS restrictive that Federal Law and, I believe, that can be MORE restrictive than Federal Law.

You have that assbackwards!

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

If you make a statement here and expect others to take it as a fact you should provide a link and a source (when it is requested). :"I heard it on TV" is not a link or a source. If I didn't say welcome to USMB earlier - welcome to USMB. I notice you joined recently.

I did not make the original comment about this. You asked SOMEONE if they had a link to this issue. Like a guy walking down the street who sees a car accident and chimes in regarding what he saw, I chimed in to say I had seen the news reports on TV but had seen no articles. I have no 'dog' in this fight, and not trying to prove one 'side' or the other, and I don't care. I just made a random comment.

Sounds like you may have a problem with CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, and Fox who reported thi son the news but who either doesn't have a written article on it or does somewhere but many people have not seen it. Take it up with them.

Thanks for the welcome....see ya 'round the pages.

I am a Christian, but let me ask a hypothetical question. If a DMV employee is Muslim and refuses to issue licenses to females due to her religion, should she be fired or reassigned? It seems to be a question that is pertinent to religious conscious. What do you think?

No, because Islam and Sharia law are not the law of the land. You are thinking Saudi Arabia.

Our constitution upholds Kim Davis's right not to issue a same sex marriage license. If our founding fathers were here they would agree with her. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Not a man and a man or a woman and a woman. The Supreme Court had no right to change the definition of marriage in order to appease the Sodomites of this land.

Christianity is not the "law of the land." Read the constitution. I have a pocket copy if you need it. The Muslim at the DMV may hold the same religious convictions as the Davis woman. You are terribly confused.

I'm not confused. If a Muslim man working at DMV refuses a drivers license to a citizen of the USA he is enforcing Sharia law and has refused to uphold the Constitution. As he must take an oath to uphold the Constitution as it is written to be naturalized as a citizen of the United States of America he should be charged with perjury and deported immediately. End of story.

 

[JimH52]

If you make a statement here and expect others to take it as a fact you should provide a link and a source (when it is requested). :"I heard it on TV" is not a link or a source. If I didn't say welcome to USMB earlier - welcome to USMB. I notice you joined recently.

I did not make the original comment about this. You asked SOMEONE if they had a link to this issue. Like a guy walking down the street who sees a car accident and chimes in regarding what he saw, I chimed in to say I had seen the news reports on TV but had seen no articles. I have no 'dog' in this fight, and not trying to prove one 'side' or the other, and I don't care. I just made a random comment.

Sounds like you may have a problem with CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, and Fox who reported thi son the news but who either doesn't have a written article on it or does somewhere but many people have not seen it. Take it up with them.

Thanks for the welcome....see ya 'round the pages.

I am a Christian, but let me ask a hypothetical question. If a DMV employee is Muslim and refuses to issue licenses to females due to her religion, should she be fired or reassigned? It seems to be a question that is pertinent to religious conscious. What do you think?

No, because Islam and Sharia law are not the law of the land. You are thinking Saudi Arabia.

Our constitution upholds Kim Davis's right not to issue a same sex marriage license. If our founding fathers were here they would agree with her. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Not a man and a man or a woman and a woman. The Supreme Court had no right to change the definition of marriage in order to appease the Sodomites of this land.

Christianity is not the "law of the land." Read the constitution. I have a pocket copy if you need it. The Muslim at the DMV may hold the same religious convictions as the Davis woman. You are terribly confused.

Here is the First Amendment: read it

First Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[easyt65]

No to same-sex marriages:

"life, liberty or property, without due process of law" or to "deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
- Life....nope. By denying a marriage license no one is denying life.
- Liberty....nope...still free.
- Property....nope. No one is taking property away from anyone.

And what law specifically makes marriage or same sex marriage a Constitutional right (aside from the very vague 'pursuit of happiness' part? If gays can claim that homosexuality, what's to stop pedophiles, necrophiliacs, brothers-n-sisters who want to marry, etc from arguing what they do is their pursuit of happiness?)

Just throwing out a question, not trying to make points of pull for sides....

 

[JimH52]

If you make a statement here and expect others to take it as a fact you should provide a link and a source (when it is requested). :"I heard it on TV" is not a link or a source. If I didn't say welcome to USMB earlier - welcome to USMB. I notice you joined recently.

I did not make the original comment about this. You asked SOMEONE if they had a link to this issue. Like a guy walking down the street who sees a car accident and chimes in regarding what he saw, I chimed in to say I had seen the news reports on TV but had seen no articles. I have no 'dog' in this fight, and not trying to prove one 'side' or the other, and I don't care. I just made a random comment.

Sounds like you may have a problem with CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, and Fox who reported thi son the news but who either doesn't have a written article on it or does somewhere but many people have not seen it. Take it up with them.

Thanks for the welcome....see ya 'round the pages.

I am a Christian, but let me ask a hypothetical question. If a DMV employee is Muslim and refuses to issue licenses to females due to her religion, should she be fired or reassigned? It seems to be a question that is pertinent to religious conscious. What do you think?

No, because Islam and Sharia law are not the law of the land. You are thinking Saudi Arabia.

Our constitution upholds Kim Davis's right not to issue a same sex marriage license. If our founding fathers were here they would agree with her. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Not a man and a man or a woman and a woman. The Supreme Court had no right to change the definition of marriage in order to appease the Sodomites of this land.

Christianity is not the "law of the land." Read the constitution. I have a pocket copy if you need it. The Muslim at the DMV may hold the same religious convictions as the Davis woman. You are terribly confused.

I'm not confused. If a Muslim man working at DMV refuses a drivers license to a citizen of the USA he is enforcing Sharia law and has refused to uphold the Constitution. As he must take an oath to uphold the Constitution as it is written to be naturalized as a citizen of the United States of America he should be charged with perjury and deported immediately. End of story.

And she would argue it is not Sharia law, it his her religion. Making her to issue a license to a female is against her religion.

 

[easyt65]

We don't make law based on the will of the majority, deal with it.

No we don't, not since the Liberals threw our system of government away, and Nancy Pelosi declared Americans no longer have the right to know what is in legislation (edicts) until they have been passed...

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

If you make a statement here and expect others to take it as a fact you should provide a link and a source (when it is requested). :"I heard it on TV" is not a link or a source. If I didn't say welcome to USMB earlier - welcome to USMB. I notice you joined recently.

I did not make the original comment about this. You asked SOMEONE if they had a link to this issue. Like a guy walking down the street who sees a car accident and chimes in regarding what he saw, I chimed in to say I had seen the news reports on TV but had seen no articles. I have no 'dog' in this fight, and not trying to prove one 'side' or the other, and I don't care. I just made a random comment.

Sounds like you may have a problem with CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, and Fox who reported thi son the news but who either doesn't have a written article on it or does somewhere but many people have not seen it. Take it up with them.

Thanks for the welcome....see ya 'round the pages.

I am a Christian, but let me ask a hypothetical question. If a DMV employee is Muslim and refuses to issue licenses to females due to her religion, should she be fired or reassigned? It seems to be a question that is pertinent to religious conscious. What do you think?

No, because Islam and Sharia law are not the law of the land. You are thinking Saudi Arabia.

Our constitution upholds Kim Davis's right not to issue a same sex marriage license. If our founding fathers were here they would agree with her. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Not a man and a man or a woman and a woman. The Supreme Court had no right to change the definition of marriage in order to appease the Sodomites of this land.

Christianity is not the "law of the land." Read the constitution. I have a pocket copy if you need it. The Muslim at the DMV may hold the same religious convictions as the Davis woman. You are terribly confused.

I'm not confused. If a Muslim man working at DMV refuses a drivers license to a citizen of the USA he is enforcing Sharia law and has refused to uphold the Constitution. As he must take an oath to uphold the Constitution as it is written to be naturalized as a citizen of the United States of America he should be charged with perjury and deported immediately. End of story.

And she would argue it is not Sharia law, it his her religion. Making her to issue a license to a female is against her religion.

Then she would be perjuring herself and should be deported. Again. It is very simple. You uphold the Constitution of the US as it is written or you perjured yourself when you took the oath to uphold the Constitution.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

If you make a statement here and expect others to take it as a fact you should provide a link and a source (when it is requested). :"I heard it on TV" is not a link or a source. If I didn't say welcome to USMB earlier - welcome to USMB. I notice you joined recently.

I did not make the original comment about this. You asked SOMEONE if they had a link to this issue. Like a guy walking down the street who sees a car accident and chimes in regarding what he saw, I chimed in to say I had seen the news reports on TV but had seen no articles. I have no 'dog' in this fight, and not trying to prove one 'side' or the other, and I don't care. I just made a random comment.

Sounds like you may have a problem with CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, and Fox who reported thi son the news but who either doesn't have a written article on it or does somewhere but many people have not seen it. Take it up with them.

Thanks for the welcome....see ya 'round the pages.

I am a Christian, but let me ask a hypothetical question. If a DMV employee is Muslim and refuses to issue licenses to females due to her religion, should she be fired or reassigned? It seems to be a question that is pertinent to religious conscious. What do you think?

No, because Islam and Sharia law are not the law of the land. You are thinking Saudi Arabia.

Our constitution upholds Kim Davis's right not to issue a same sex marriage license. If our founding fathers were here they would agree with her. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Not a man and a man or a woman and a woman. The Supreme Court had no right to change the definition of marriage in order to appease the Sodomites of this land.

Christianity is not the "law of the land." Read the constitution. I have a pocket copy if you need it. The Muslim at the DMV may hold the same religious convictions as the Davis woman. You are terribly confused.

I'm not confused. If a Muslim man working at DMV refuses a drivers license to a citizen of the USA he is enforcing Sharia law and has refused to uphold the Constitution. As he must take an oath to uphold the Constitution as it is written to be naturalized as a citizen of the United States of America he should be charged with perjury and deported immediately. End of story.

So, you would deport a Muslim who used his religion as an excuse not to issue you a state license, but it's okay for a Christian to do so?

That's the most idiotic thing I've ever seen you post Jerry.

 

[JimH52]

If you make a statement here and expect others to take it as a fact you should provide a link and a source (when it is requested). :"I heard it on TV" is not a link or a source. If I didn't say welcome to USMB earlier - welcome to USMB. I notice you joined recently.

I did not make the original comment about this. You asked SOMEONE if they had a link to this issue. Like a guy walking down the street who sees a car accident and chimes in regarding what he saw, I chimed in to say I had seen the news reports on TV but had seen no articles. I have no 'dog' in this fight, and not trying to prove one 'side' or the other, and I don't care. I just made a random comment.

Sounds like you may have a problem with CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, and Fox who reported thi son the news but who either doesn't have a written article on it or does somewhere but many people have not seen it. Take it up with them.

Thanks for the welcome....see ya 'round the pages.

I am a Christian, but let me ask a hypothetical question. If a DMV employee is Muslim and refuses to issue licenses to females due to her religion, should she be fired or reassigned? It seems to be a question that is pertinent to religious conscious. What do you think?

No, because Islam and Sharia law are not the law of the land. You are thinking Saudi Arabia.

Our constitution upholds Kim Davis's right not to issue a same sex marriage license. If our founding fathers were here they would agree with her. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Not a man and a man or a woman and a woman. The Supreme Court had no right to change the definition of marriage in order to appease the Sodomites of this land.

Christianity is not the "law of the land." Read the constitution. I have a pocket copy if you need it. The Muslim at the DMV may hold the same religious convictions as the Davis woman. You are terribly confused.

I'm not confused. If a Muslim man working at DMV refuses a drivers license to a citizen of the USA he is enforcing Sharia law and has refused to uphold the Constitution. As he must take an oath to uphold the Constitution as it is written to be naturalized as a citizen of the United States of America he should be charged with perjury and deported immediately. End of story.

So, you would deport a Muslim who used his religion as an excuse not to issue you a state license, but it's okay for a Christian to do so?

That's the most idiotic thing I've ever seen you post Jerry.

Obviously he has not read the First Amendment to the US Constitution.

 

[Debra K]

"... she said she decided not to interfere with deputy clerks who will continue to hand out the marriage licenses in Rowan County, but Davis declared they would not be authorized by her and she questioned their validity."

Is a marriage legal if you never had a valid license?

In the law, there are three concepts: valid, void, and voidable.

A marriage is absolutely void if entered in violation of state law. Therefore, if a state prohibits incestuous marriages, then those incestuous marriages are void. After Obergefell, however, same sex marriages are lawful and any state law that would prohibit same sex marriages is unconstitutional. There is no legal impediment to a same sex marriage.

If there is any problem with a marriage license, at most, someone could argue that the marriage might be voidable. But, no one other than the parties to the marriage have standing to challenge the validity of the marriage.

The qualified applicants seek a marriage license, pay the fee and obtain a license, use the license to have their marriage solemnized by an authorized officiant, and then return the paperwork to the county office to be recorded in the official government records. The marriage is thus valid. It is doubtful, that a party to the marriage would have legal grounds thereafter to allege the marriage is voidable because the county clerk was anti-gay and had the license altered to remove the clerk's name. After all, that is a circumstance that they were aware of at the time they sought the license.

The marriage is a lawful marriage and any attempt to argue otherwise is an exercise in futility.

 

[easyt65]

No one should be jailed for their religious beliefs - the Ky clerk was not. She was jailed for defying a court order.

No one should be forced to go against their religious beliefs. The Ky clerk was not. The courts gave her the choice of letting her employees / personnel issue them...she refused.

Back to my very 1st post on this thread today:

Are you from Ky?
- No? Then $TF#.
- Yes? Are you upset about / do you oppose what she did? Then START A RECALL TO OUST HER.
Too lazy to do that? Then $TF#.