Killer Assad has no future in Syria: Riyadh

[irosie91]

I am fascinated-------I did not know about that "cold war" between Syria and Saudi Arabia-----in what manner did it manifest itself? --------I do know that the bloody scum murderous assads were brought on the carpet for
murdering Syrian civilians by the Arab League-----and I believe that Syria was suspended for a time for
murdering muslims------is that your issue?

I understand Baathists are inherently opposed to monarchs. Wasn't the arab league founded for that reason? Wasn't Egypt and Syria aligned with the USSR while Jordan and SA were aligned with the US? Doesn't assad keep assassinating Saudi surrogates? Don't the Saudis support the revolt in Syria?

The arab league was formed to provide political power for arab countries in the same way NATO was formed
to create a bloc. Baathists are devoted to an ideology of intensive ARAB nationalism ----the celebration
of "ARAB CULTURE" as something superior to that of others-------it is very similar to ARYAN NATIONALISM----to wit-------NAZISM and was actually INSPIRED by Nazism. It also claims to be SOCIALIST and supportive of "LABOR" over industry which simply gets nationalized-------a program inspired by ADOLF
HITLER. It is also intensely anti semitic and insists upon genocide upon jews-----------now you know.

Russia has been very supportive of Baathist leaders-------the most intensive Baathist in the past 70 years have
been NASSER, SADDAM and the ASSAD BOYS--------many terrorists have been Baathists. The reason
for Russian support of Baathism is quite a discussion-------likely because of the commonalty between Russian
totalitarianism and Baathist totalitarianism--------both SEEK a kind of totalitarian REICH aka CALIPHATE----the claim that baathism is "secular" and "pro-democracy" is window dressing

I think the secular component of it is legit, to wit Iraq under sadam vs the islamic state mentality that middle eastern democracy seems to default to. It's a brutal alternative to brutal monarchial suppression like the Shah. The anti-american mentality out there makes these societies allergic to all the civic principles that work. All that's left is islamic principles and hitler talk.

ok----you really do not know------BAATHISM is actually INTENSE ARAB MUSLIM NATIONALISM-----along
with a bit of a accommodation to Christians which allows Christians to JOIN-----to be part of the IMPERIALIST
FORCE of the arab nationalist state. In fact----it is very similar in that respect to the original ISLAM---
Islam allows the participation of both Christians and jews-------as a people actually subservient to the
ARAB STATE-----and eventually to be obliterated because the muslim arab always has FIRST CLASS
status so that social mobility relates to conversion to islam. Now you know. Baathism recaps all the
glorious aspects of ADOLF STYLE NAZISM. Its orginators were avid fans of Adolf its followers continued
the tradition. The UP side is that it provides a sense of GREAT PRIDE and optimism for arabs-----
which is attractive to those Christians in arab lands who have not yet experienced the down side. The
movement that took off a few years ago ----the ARAB SPRING------was very aptly titled------if you
ever saw the play or movie "THE PRODUCERS"

I think you've succumb to propaganda on the matter. Nazis were a big deal because they were in europe. In the middle east, this sort of racist/religious supremacy exists in all leadership circles from israel to iran. Perhaps we have to restore puppet monarchs with iron fists, however, if universal education doesn't come out of it, the idiots will pick up rocks and guns anyhow.

Nope------I am not a victim of propaganda -----YOU ARE. genocide is not the NORM FOR ALL
in the middle east just as it is not the NORM FOR ALL in Europe or in the USA. In fact there have been
genocides in the USA in the past------in fact stimulated by the INQUISITION (believe it or not)
and there have certainly been some genocides in Europe other than ADOLF -------genocide in
the middle east is not a "norm" any more than it is in the USA I do not know what your
background is--------have been "mixing" with persons from over there------and over here----
all my life----------my own husband was born in a shariah shit hole. I have relatives from just about
everywhere

 

[montelatici]

You're as silly as they come. You call that torture??? May you never experience the torture like those who experienced it in Syrian prisons.

If you want to deny US torture while accusing Syria it's pretty obvious there is an agenda involved.

what are you calling torture? where, when and how?

When a person dies as a result of abuse, does it constitute torture in your mind, maniac?

" As Gen. Barry McCaffrey recently put it:

We should never, as a policy, maltreat people under our control, detainees. We tortured people unmercifully. We probably murdered dozens of them during the course of that, both the armed forces and the C.I.A.

Journalist and Human Rights Watch researcher John Sifton similarly documented that “approximately 100 detainees, including CIA-held detainees, have died during U.S. interrogations, and some are known to have been tortured to death.”

* * * * *
The suppressed fact: Deaths by U.S. torture

 

[Programmer]

I understand Baathists are inherently opposed to monarchs. Wasn't the arab league founded for that reason? Wasn't Egypt and Syria aligned with the USSR while Jordan and SA were aligned with the US? Doesn't assad keep assassinating Saudi surrogates? Don't the Saudis support the revolt in Syria?

The arab league was formed to provide political power for arab countries in the same way NATO was formed
to create a bloc. Baathists are devoted to an ideology of intensive ARAB nationalism ----the celebration
of "ARAB CULTURE" as something superior to that of others-------it is very similar to ARYAN NATIONALISM----to wit-------NAZISM and was actually INSPIRED by Nazism. It also claims to be SOCIALIST and supportive of "LABOR" over industry which simply gets nationalized-------a program inspired by ADOLF
HITLER. It is also intensely anti semitic and insists upon genocide upon jews-----------now you know.

Russia has been very supportive of Baathist leaders-------the most intensive Baathist in the past 70 years have
been NASSER, SADDAM and the ASSAD BOYS--------many terrorists have been Baathists. The reason
for Russian support of Baathism is quite a discussion-------likely because of the commonalty between Russian
totalitarianism and Baathist totalitarianism--------both SEEK a kind of totalitarian REICH aka CALIPHATE----the claim that baathism is "secular" and "pro-democracy" is window dressing

I think the secular component of it is legit, to wit Iraq under sadam vs the islamic state mentality that middle eastern democracy seems to default to. It's a brutal alternative to brutal monarchial suppression like the Shah. The anti-american mentality out there makes these societies allergic to all the civic principles that work. All that's left is islamic principles and hitler talk.

ok----you really do not know------BAATHISM is actually INTENSE ARAB MUSLIM NATIONALISM-----along
with a bit of a accommodation to Christians which allows Christians to JOIN-----to be part of the IMPERIALIST
FORCE of the arab nationalist state. In fact----it is very similar in that respect to the original ISLAM---
Islam allows the participation of both Christians and jews-------as a people actually subservient to the
ARAB STATE-----and eventually to be obliterated because the muslim arab always has FIRST CLASS
status so that social mobility relates to conversion to islam. Now you know. Baathism recaps all the
glorious aspects of ADOLF STYLE NAZISM. Its orginators were avid fans of Adolf its followers continued
the tradition. The UP side is that it provides a sense of GREAT PRIDE and optimism for arabs-----
which is attractive to those Christians in arab lands who have not yet experienced the down side. The
movement that took off a few years ago ----the ARAB SPRING------was very aptly titled------if you
ever saw the play or movie "THE PRODUCERS"

I think you've succumb to propaganda on the matter. Nazis were a big deal because they were in europe. In the middle east, this sort of racist/religious supremacy exists in all leadership circles from israel to iran. Perhaps we have to restore puppet monarchs with iron fists, however, if universal education doesn't come out of it, the idiots will pick up rocks and guns anyhow.

Nope------I am not a victim of propaganda -----YOU ARE. genocide is not the NORM FOR ALL
in the middle east just as it is not the NORM FOR ALL in Europe or in the USA. In fact there have been
genocides in the USA in the past------in fact stimulated by the INQUISITION (believe it or not)
and there have certainly been some genocides in Europe other than ADOLF -------genocide in
the middle east is not a "norm" any more than it is in the USA I do not know what your
background is--------have been "mixing" with persons from over there------and over here----
all my life----------my own husband was born in a shariah shit hole. I have relatives from just about
everywhere

Middle-easterners have the most skewed propaganda on the matter, in my experience.

With everything at stake and all of the geopolitical hands in that region, I think accounts of human rights violations are indeed the propaganda icing added to make sympathetic people supportive. This doesn't make tales of death in a revolt untrue, but I don't believe that they are any reason that the United States would actually do something about it. In fact, we mostly haven't.

 

[montelatici]

It's all propaganda a lot from the U.S. In the U.S. everyone was made to believe that the Syrian Government was using chemical weapons, then we find out that the Al-Nusra Front had perfected the ability to produce SARIN and that they were using it on Syrian Government soldiers and civilians.

"What they kept secret, according to an article by Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative journalist Seymour Hersh, was the belief of U.S. spy agencies that military forces loyal to Mr. Assad were not ones in Syria’s civil war to have access to sarin."


Obama lied about Syrian chemical attack, 'cherry-picked' intelligence: report - Washington Times

 

[aris2chat]

Neither does Israel.

Have you all noticed that the anti-Semite losers always have to drag in Israel? This article is something about what a Saudi Official is saying, and has nothing to do with Israel. Say, how many Andy Gumps hae you cleaned out at the construction site today, you old barfly..

it a pattern of hate.............blame the jews

Aris, I honestly don't believe the haters even care for any Arabs but just use them as pawns in their fight against the Jews. Several years ago I happened to be reading the Bronx Board, and one Irish Catholic poster said that the nuns in parochial school told them the Jews and Protestant6s were bad and to have nothing to do with them, to not even go into their business establishments. The poster went on to say that now that he is older, he realizes the nuns were wrong. Evidently Billy Boy, who has claimed to be Irish Catholic who has had a parochial school education, never came to that conclusion because underneath it all, he is not a very smart individual.

I used to hear the Irish Catholic kids coming home from Blessed Sacrament Parochial School singing "Monday we go to school, Tuesday we beat up the Jews.".

Radical Traditionalist Catholics Spew Anti-Semitic Hate, Commit Violence Against Jews

Sadly there is an attitude that lower class arabs are just fodder, pawns to be scarified. It is not who they are but numbers that attract the press and create a given image. They might not be slaves, but there is still the attitude of expendability.

The usual death rate has diminished with modern medicine and the extra people that do not have a duty in service of the heads are just more mouths to feed and consume precious water without giving back. It is unfortunately an attitude that the whole world might have to acquire before then end of the millennium if anyone is to survive. Muslims have the promise that their death will bring them riches in heaven.

In war it is a game of numbers.

How many centuries was Jerusalem forgotten and in ruins? Now pilgrimages are not long arduous trips and holy days draw millions in Saudi or Iran. If you think about it, there are more Muslims today than people on the earth in Mohammed's time.

For any muslims the kafir are not honored and protected people but stumbling blocks in the purity of the faith. It is nt the same but there are similarities between many muslims and the hindu caste system. You have a place you are born into and you are supposed to stay there. You are such a clan, such a tribe, such a family that everyone knows where you are in the pecking order. Old attitudes don't change so easily when there are thousands of years behind them.

East and west really are very different and the west cannot expect their "more democratic" thinking to apply to the rest of the world. Thinks may be changing but in some aspects they change very very slowly over generations, even centuries.

Most Americans seem irreverent to traditions, but for the rest of the world, that is their law and order. It might seem irrational to us but it is everything to them.
Much like manners and protocol, the smallest details speak volumes. A breach and it can mean loosing face or even death. For americans the world began 3-400 yrs ago. For muslims it began 1600 yrs ago. For Catholics 2000 yrs ago. Then each of the sub groups have their own histories and origins. Traditions remain long after the reasons for them have been lost, but without them their understanding of the world and life unravels and they become lost, angry, desperate and dangerous. When their reality is replaced they no longer know where they belong or what to do. We understand reason and science, but for them theirs is their history and traditions, and their faith. Reason and science are further down down and far less significant.

It rather hard to explain, but so were our superstitions way back when. Without reason we still avoid stepping in cracks and toss salt over our shoulder, just because that is what everyone has always done. People of the east have traditions that go back to the beginning of time. This is the way things have always been done. It is their anchor.

Life as we think about it is very different to them............because that is the way it has always been.

Thanks, Aris. I never thought that our type of democracy could be brought to the Middle East. I wonder if all the people who have fled to this country from the Middle East and those soon to come will all be able to live under a democracy. Will many of them feel that they would rather live under Sharia Law. As one official of C.A.I.R. once said that the Muslims were not in America to live under the Constitution, but Sharia Law. I certainly hope that most of them will be able to assimilate like the immigrants of old. They could keep their culture and language in their own homes..

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[montelatici]

Yes, very similar to the European Jew invasion of Palestine. Eventually, like the Jews in Palestine, they will take over if the Europeans don't do something.

U.S. support of regime changes against secular dictators that threatened Israel is the main cause, and the Europeans are having to accept millions of Muslim refugees. Hungary, who were once under Ottoman rule, are against accepting non-Christian refugees.

 

[irosie91]

The arab league was formed to provide political power for arab countries in the same way NATO was formed
to create a bloc. Baathists are devoted to an ideology of intensive ARAB nationalism ----the celebration
of "ARAB CULTURE" as something superior to that of others-------it is very similar to ARYAN NATIONALISM----to wit-------NAZISM and was actually INSPIRED by Nazism. It also claims to be SOCIALIST and supportive of "LABOR" over industry which simply gets nationalized-------a program inspired by ADOLF
HITLER. It is also intensely anti semitic and insists upon genocide upon jews-----------now you know.

Russia has been very supportive of Baathist leaders-------the most intensive Baathist in the past 70 years have
been NASSER, SADDAM and the ASSAD BOYS--------many terrorists have been Baathists. The reason
for Russian support of Baathism is quite a discussion-------likely because of the commonalty between Russian
totalitarianism and Baathist totalitarianism--------both SEEK a kind of totalitarian REICH aka CALIPHATE----the claim that baathism is "secular" and "pro-democracy" is window dressing

I think the secular component of it is legit, to wit Iraq under sadam vs the islamic state mentality that middle eastern democracy seems to default to. It's a brutal alternative to brutal monarchial suppression like the Shah. The anti-american mentality out there makes these societies allergic to all the civic principles that work. All that's left is islamic principles and hitler talk.

ok----you really do not know------BAATHISM is actually INTENSE ARAB MUSLIM NATIONALISM-----along
with a bit of a accommodation to Christians which allows Christians to JOIN-----to be part of the IMPERIALIST
FORCE of the arab nationalist state. In fact----it is very similar in that respect to the original ISLAM---
Islam allows the participation of both Christians and jews-------as a people actually subservient to the
ARAB STATE-----and eventually to be obliterated because the muslim arab always has FIRST CLASS
status so that social mobility relates to conversion to islam. Now you know. Baathism recaps all the
glorious aspects of ADOLF STYLE NAZISM. Its orginators were avid fans of Adolf its followers continued
the tradition. The UP side is that it provides a sense of GREAT PRIDE and optimism for arabs-----
which is attractive to those Christians in arab lands who have not yet experienced the down side. The
movement that took off a few years ago ----the ARAB SPRING------was very aptly titled------if you
ever saw the play or movie "THE PRODUCERS"

I think you've succumb to propaganda on the matter. Nazis were a big deal because they were in europe. In the middle east, this sort of racist/religious supremacy exists in all leadership circles from israel to iran. Perhaps we have to restore puppet monarchs with iron fists, however, if universal education doesn't come out of it, the idiots will pick up rocks and guns anyhow.

Nope------I am not a victim of propaganda -----YOU ARE. genocide is not the NORM FOR ALL
in the middle east just as it is not the NORM FOR ALL in Europe or in the USA. In fact there have been
genocides in the USA in the past------in fact stimulated by the INQUISITION (believe it or not)
and there have certainly been some genocides in Europe other than ADOLF -------genocide in
the middle east is not a "norm" any more than it is in the USA I do not know what your
background is--------have been "mixing" with persons from over there------and over here----
all my life----------my own husband was born in a shariah shit hole. I have relatives from just about
everywhere

Middle-easterners have the most skewed propaganda on the matter, in my experience.

With everything at stake and all of the geopolitical hands in that region, I think accounts of human rights violations are indeed the propaganda icing added to make sympathetic people supportive. This doesn't make tales of death in a revolt untrue, but I don't believe that they are any reason that the United States would actually do something about it. In fact, we mostly haven't.

Regarding Syria------the many deaths caused by the ASSADS are fully documented by outside
agencies. The Cause of extensive murder by the very bloody HAFEZ ASSAD was not
overt revolt just as the genocide against the Shiites and Kurds committed by Baathist
assad was not a result of revolt -----for that matter the mass murder of the Armenians
by the turks was not either--------it was stuff done on IDEOLOGICAL grounds----something
like Cromwell going after catholics. (remember? ----its really dullsville English history)
The United States virtually never does anything about GENOCIDE OVER SEAS------
we did nothing for the Armenians or for the Cambodians under Pol pot----or for the Kulaks
under Stalin.-----------I am intrigued with your "experience" with Middle east propaganda----
you got "EXPERIENCE"?

 

[montelatici]

I think the secular component of it is legit, to wit Iraq under sadam vs the islamic state mentality that middle eastern democracy seems to default to. It's a brutal alternative to brutal monarchial suppression like the Shah. The anti-american mentality out there makes these societies allergic to all the civic principles that work. All that's left is islamic principles and hitler talk.

ok----you really do not know------BAATHISM is actually INTENSE ARAB MUSLIM NATIONALISM-----along
with a bit of a accommodation to Christians which allows Christians to JOIN-----to be part of the IMPERIALIST
FORCE of the arab nationalist state. In fact----it is very similar in that respect to the original ISLAM---
Islam allows the participation of both Christians and jews-------as a people actually subservient to the
ARAB STATE-----and eventually to be obliterated because the muslim arab always has FIRST CLASS
status so that social mobility relates to conversion to islam. Now you know. Baathism recaps all the
glorious aspects of ADOLF STYLE NAZISM. Its orginators were avid fans of Adolf its followers continued
the tradition. The UP side is that it provides a sense of GREAT PRIDE and optimism for arabs-----
which is attractive to those Christians in arab lands who have not yet experienced the down side. The
movement that took off a few years ago ----the ARAB SPRING------was very aptly titled------if you
ever saw the play or movie "THE PRODUCERS"

I think you've succumb to propaganda on the matter. Nazis were a big deal because they were in europe. In the middle east, this sort of racist/religious supremacy exists in all leadership circles from israel to iran. Perhaps we have to restore puppet monarchs with iron fists, however, if universal education doesn't come out of it, the idiots will pick up rocks and guns anyhow.

Nope------I am not a victim of propaganda -----YOU ARE. genocide is not the NORM FOR ALL
in the middle east just as it is not the NORM FOR ALL in Europe or in the USA. In fact there have been
genocides in the USA in the past------in fact stimulated by the INQUISITION (believe it or not)
and there have certainly been some genocides in Europe other than ADOLF -------genocide in
the middle east is not a "norm" any more than it is in the USA I do not know what your
background is--------have been "mixing" with persons from over there------and over here----
all my life----------my own husband was born in a shariah shit hole. I have relatives from just about
everywhere

Middle-easterners have the most skewed propaganda on the matter, in my experience.

With everything at stake and all of the geopolitical hands in that region, I think accounts of human rights violations are indeed the propaganda icing added to make sympathetic people supportive. This doesn't make tales of death in a revolt untrue, but I don't believe that they are any reason that the United States would actually do something about it. In fact, we mostly haven't.

Regarding Syria------the many deaths caused by the ASSADS are fully documented by outside
agencies. The Cause of extensive murder by the very bloody HAFEZ ASSAD was not
overt revolt just as the genocide against the Shiites and Kurds committed by Baathist
assad was not a result of revolt -----for that matter the mass murder of the Armenians
by the turks was not either--------it was stuff done on IDEOLOGICAL grounds----something
like Cromwell going after catholics. (remember? ----its really dullsville English history)
The United States virtually never does anything about GENOCIDE OVER SEAS------
we did nothing for the Armenians or for the Cambodians under Pol pot----or for the Kulaks
under Stalin.-----------I am intrigued with your "experience" with Middle east propaganda----
you got "EXPERIENCE"?

You are a propagandist, plain and simple. The Syrian government was far less brutal and oppressive than nearly any other Arab government with the possible exception of Lebanon and possibly the Maghreb (Tunisia, Algeria and Morocco).

Like most people that know the area and have lived there, this guy sets the record straight.

"March 9, 2015
Saudi Arabia (not Iran) ranks 2nd in religious persecution, after N. Korea

By Donald Hank

When discussing or analyzing reports from the Muslim world, we need to always keep in mind: The Saudis are SUNNI (the more fundamentalist and violent sect) while Iran (along with Syria) is predominantly SHIITE, a sect that is less radical and violent toward other religions and sects of Islam. The actual differences in behavior of these sects are less due to theology than to culture.

These cultural differences are of inestimable importance but are almost completely ignored by our grotesquely biased press and political class. I had written before on cultural differences.................At variance with received wisdom, the predominantly Shiite Iranian government allows, as one would expect based on the above, more religious freedom than, say, Saudi Arabia and other Sunni countries. Religiously speaking, Iranians read the same Koran and Hadith as the Sunni world, but, despite their harsh enforcement of shariah law toward Muslims, their culture (including their interpretation of the scriptures) has for centuries encouraged more tolerance of non-Muslims and non-Shia. As a testimony to this tolerance, Bibles are allowed in Iran (though not in Saudi Arabia). Christians may practice their religion but may not proselytize. Iran also has a sizeable Jewish population (its hostility toward Israel can be attributed more to territorial politics than to religion. They see Israel as expanding into sacred Muslim territory). More importantly, the Iranian populace is more secular than that of other Muslim countries. For example, its young people tend to imitate Western behaviors and fashions. This major difference with Saudi Arabia is not reflected in the Western press, which spews venom 24-7 against Iran – even unfairly making it appear less tolerant of Christians, for example, here – but downplays the severe and glaring abuses of Saudi Arabia, including the latter's support for terror organizations like ISIS and al-Qaeda, as reported by the NYT, The Atlantic here and here, but also in the conservative press, such as here. You'd think Americans would wake up to this obvious bias and lack of objectivity, but they seem to be inured to it and even welcome it. Indeed a recent poll shows a majorityof Americans willing to use force against Iran. US 1 (we the people) seem to like being hoodwinked by politicians and media (US 2) in terms of foreign policy, which reflects a dismal lack of knowledge of the world around us. Thus we want to rule the world but not to know it – an untenable position in the long run. We need to wake up before this ignorance leads to another senseless war – particularly since a war with a nuclear Iran would quite likely pit us against two other nuclear powers, first Russia, and then a sympathetic China acting as a bodyguard.

Incidentally, Iran has the biggest Jewish population in any Muslim country. Where do we read that in today's Iranophobic press?"

Saudi Arabia (not Iran) ranks 2nd in religious persecution, after N. Korea

 

[Bleipriester]

Saudi Arabia (not Iran) ranks 2nd in religious persecution, after N. Korea

What? Why does North Korea allow churches and Saudi Arabia not, then?

 

[Programmer]

I think the secular component of it is legit, to wit Iraq under sadam vs the islamic state mentality that middle eastern democracy seems to default to. It's a brutal alternative to brutal monarchial suppression like the Shah. The anti-american mentality out there makes these societies allergic to all the civic principles that work. All that's left is islamic principles and hitler talk.

ok----you really do not know------BAATHISM is actually INTENSE ARAB MUSLIM NATIONALISM-----along
with a bit of a accommodation to Christians which allows Christians to JOIN-----to be part of the IMPERIALIST
FORCE of the arab nationalist state. In fact----it is very similar in that respect to the original ISLAM---
Islam allows the participation of both Christians and jews-------as a people actually subservient to the
ARAB STATE-----and eventually to be obliterated because the muslim arab always has FIRST CLASS
status so that social mobility relates to conversion to islam. Now you know. Baathism recaps all the
glorious aspects of ADOLF STYLE NAZISM. Its orginators were avid fans of Adolf its followers continued
the tradition. The UP side is that it provides a sense of GREAT PRIDE and optimism for arabs-----
which is attractive to those Christians in arab lands who have not yet experienced the down side. The
movement that took off a few years ago ----the ARAB SPRING------was very aptly titled------if you
ever saw the play or movie "THE PRODUCERS"

I think you've succumb to propaganda on the matter. Nazis were a big deal because they were in europe. In the middle east, this sort of racist/religious supremacy exists in all leadership circles from israel to iran. Perhaps we have to restore puppet monarchs with iron fists, however, if universal education doesn't come out of it, the idiots will pick up rocks and guns anyhow.

Nope------I am not a victim of propaganda -----YOU ARE. genocide is not the NORM FOR ALL
in the middle east just as it is not the NORM FOR ALL in Europe or in the USA. In fact there have been
genocides in the USA in the past------in fact stimulated by the INQUISITION (believe it or not)
and there have certainly been some genocides in Europe other than ADOLF -------genocide in
the middle east is not a "norm" any more than it is in the USA I do not know what your
background is--------have been "mixing" with persons from over there------and over here----
all my life----------my own husband was born in a shariah shit hole. I have relatives from just about
everywhere

Middle-easterners have the most skewed propaganda on the matter, in my experience.

With everything at stake and all of the geopolitical hands in that region, I think accounts of human rights violations are indeed the propaganda icing added to make sympathetic people supportive. This doesn't make tales of death in a revolt untrue, but I don't believe that they are any reason that the United States would actually do something about it. In fact, we mostly haven't.

Regarding Syria------the many deaths caused by the ASSADS are fully documented by outside
agencies. The Cause of extensive murder by the very bloody HAFEZ ASSAD was not
overt revolt just as the genocide against the Shiites and Kurds committed by Baathist
assad was not a result of revolt -----for that matter the mass murder of the Armenians
by the turks was not either--------it was stuff done on IDEOLOGICAL grounds----something
like Cromwell going after catholics. (remember? ----its really dullsville English history)
The United States virtually never does anything about GENOCIDE OVER SEAS------
we did nothing for the Armenians or for the Cambodians under Pol pot----or for the Kulaks
under Stalin.-----------I am intrigued with your "experience" with Middle east propaganda----
you got "EXPERIENCE"?

I'm 37 as far as experience.

When you know some of the history and you meet enough people with different stakes in an action or outcome, you can separate the heap from the reality. The reality is that the middle east wont find a better ruling solution for syria than the one they have. It's going to go the Lebanon route if the government fails... probably take lebanon down with it.

 

[irosie91]

ok----you really do not know------BAATHISM is actually INTENSE ARAB MUSLIM NATIONALISM-----along
with a bit of a accommodation to Christians which allows Christians to JOIN-----to be part of the IMPERIALIST
FORCE of the arab nationalist state. In fact----it is very similar in that respect to the original ISLAM---
Islam allows the participation of both Christians and jews-------as a people actually subservient to the
ARAB STATE-----and eventually to be obliterated because the muslim arab always has FIRST CLASS
status so that social mobility relates to conversion to islam. Now you know. Baathism recaps all the
glorious aspects of ADOLF STYLE NAZISM. Its orginators were avid fans of Adolf its followers continued
the tradition. The UP side is that it provides a sense of GREAT PRIDE and optimism for arabs-----
which is attractive to those Christians in arab lands who have not yet experienced the down side. The
movement that took off a few years ago ----the ARAB SPRING------was very aptly titled------if you
ever saw the play or movie "THE PRODUCERS"

I think you've succumb to propaganda on the matter. Nazis were a big deal because they were in europe. In the middle east, this sort of racist/religious supremacy exists in all leadership circles from israel to iran. Perhaps we have to restore puppet monarchs with iron fists, however, if universal education doesn't come out of it, the idiots will pick up rocks and guns anyhow.

Nope------I am not a victim of propaganda -----YOU ARE. genocide is not the NORM FOR ALL
in the middle east just as it is not the NORM FOR ALL in Europe or in the USA. In fact there have been
genocides in the USA in the past------in fact stimulated by the INQUISITION (believe it or not)
and there have certainly been some genocides in Europe other than ADOLF -------genocide in
the middle east is not a "norm" any more than it is in the USA I do not know what your
background is--------have been "mixing" with persons from over there------and over here----
all my life----------my own husband was born in a shariah shit hole. I have relatives from just about
everywhere

Middle-easterners have the most skewed propaganda on the matter, in my experience.

With everything at stake and all of the geopolitical hands in that region, I think accounts of human rights violations are indeed the propaganda icing added to make sympathetic people supportive. This doesn't make tales of death in a revolt untrue, but I don't believe that they are any reason that the United States would actually do something about it. In fact, we mostly haven't.

Regarding Syria------the many deaths caused by the ASSADS are fully documented by outside
agencies. The Cause of extensive murder by the very bloody HAFEZ ASSAD was not
overt revolt just as the genocide against the Shiites and Kurds committed by Baathist
assad was not a result of revolt -----for that matter the mass murder of the Armenians
by the turks was not either--------it was stuff done on IDEOLOGICAL grounds----something
like Cromwell going after catholics. (remember? ----its really dullsville English history)
The United States virtually never does anything about GENOCIDE OVER SEAS------
we did nothing for the Armenians or for the Cambodians under Pol pot----or for the Kulaks
under Stalin.-----------I am intrigued with your "experience" with Middle east propaganda----
you got "EXPERIENCE"?

You are a propagandist, plain and simple. The Syrian government was far less brutal and oppressive than nearly any other Arab government with the possible exception of Lebanon and possibly the Maghreb (Tunisia, Algeria and Morocco).

Like most people that know the area and have lived there, this guy sets the record straight.

"March 9, 2015
Saudi Arabia (not Iran) ranks 2nd in religious persecution, after N. Korea

By Donald Hank

When discussing or analyzing reports from the Muslim world, we need to always keep in mind: The Saudis are SUNNI (the more fundamentalist and violent sect) while Iran (along with Syria) is predominantly SHIITE, a sect that is less radical and violent toward other religions and sects of Islam. The actual differences in behavior of these sects are less due to theology than to culture.

These cultural differences are of inestimable importance but are almost completely ignored by our grotesquely biased press and political class. I had written before on cultural differences.................At variance with received wisdom, the predominantly Shiite Iranian government allows, as one would expect based on the above, more religious freedom than, say, Saudi Arabia and other Sunni countries. Religiously speaking, Iranians read the same Koran and Hadith as the Sunni world, but, despite their harsh enforcement of shariah law toward Muslims, their culture (including their interpretation of the scriptures) has for centuries encouraged more tolerance of non-Muslims and non-Shia. As a testimony to this tolerance, Bibles are allowed in Iran (though not in Saudi Arabia). Christians may practice their religion but may not proselytize. Iran also has a sizeable Jewish population (its hostility toward Israel can be attributed more to territorial politics than to religion. They see Israel as expanding into sacred Muslim territory). More importantly, the Iranian populace is more secular than that of other Muslim countries. For example, its young people tend to imitate Western behaviors and fashions. This major difference with Saudi Arabia is not reflected in the Western press, which spews venom 24-7 against Iran – even unfairly making it appear less tolerant of Christians, for example, here – but downplays the severe and glaring abuses of Saudi Arabia, including the latter's support for terror organizations like ISIS and al-Qaeda, as reported by the NYT, The Atlantic here and here, but also in the conservative press, such as here. You'd think Americans would wake up to this obvious bias and lack of objectivity, but they seem to be inured to it and even welcome it. Indeed a recent poll shows a majorityof Americans willing to use force against Iran. US 1 (we the people) seem to like being hoodwinked by politicians and media (US 2) in terms of foreign policy, which reflects a dismal lack of knowledge of the world around us. Thus we want to rule the world but not to know it – an untenable position in the long run. We need to wake up before this ignorance leads to another senseless war – particularly since a war with a nuclear Iran would quite likely pit us against two other nuclear powers, first Russia, and then a sympathetic China acting as a bodyguard.

Incidentally, Iran has the biggest Jewish population in any Muslim country. Where do we read that in today's Iranophobic press?"

Saudi Arabia (not Iran) ranks 2nd in religious persecution, after N. Korea

Monte's PROPAGANDA POINTS and lies (the incomplete list) " Syria is predominantly Shiite----the nicer guys" actually not entirely true-----Syria is a MAJORTY sunni country-----Shiites are a minority
but constitute the brutal ruling class. Monte lied. The famous "the largest population of
suriviving jews in arab countries is in IRAN" yeah-----something like 95 % down since the mid
sixties when jeiwsh parents started sending their kids out when they smelled the stench of islamicism---
this declined meets the definition of GENOCIDE-------she also left out the fact that jews who leave
Iran must give up anything the owned ---or accrued in the 2500 years their families have lived in
that land -------monte flings the BS again------

 

[irosie91]

ok----you really do not know------BAATHISM is actually INTENSE ARAB MUSLIM NATIONALISM-----along
with a bit of a accommodation to Christians which allows Christians to JOIN-----to be part of the IMPERIALIST
FORCE of the arab nationalist state. In fact----it is very similar in that respect to the original ISLAM---
Islam allows the participation of both Christians and jews-------as a people actually subservient to the
ARAB STATE-----and eventually to be obliterated because the muslim arab always has FIRST CLASS
status so that social mobility relates to conversion to islam. Now you know. Baathism recaps all the
glorious aspects of ADOLF STYLE NAZISM. Its orginators were avid fans of Adolf its followers continued
the tradition. The UP side is that it provides a sense of GREAT PRIDE and optimism for arabs-----
which is attractive to those Christians in arab lands who have not yet experienced the down side. The
movement that took off a few years ago ----the ARAB SPRING------was very aptly titled------if you
ever saw the play or movie "THE PRODUCERS"

I think you've succumb to propaganda on the matter. Nazis were a big deal because they were in europe. In the middle east, this sort of racist/religious supremacy exists in all leadership circles from israel to iran. Perhaps we have to restore puppet monarchs with iron fists, however, if universal education doesn't come out of it, the idiots will pick up rocks and guns anyhow.

Nope------I am not a victim of propaganda -----YOU ARE. genocide is not the NORM FOR ALL
in the middle east just as it is not the NORM FOR ALL in Europe or in the USA. In fact there have been
genocides in the USA in the past------in fact stimulated by the INQUISITION (believe it or not)
and there have certainly been some genocides in Europe other than ADOLF -------genocide in
the middle east is not a "norm" any more than it is in the USA I do not know what your
background is--------have been "mixing" with persons from over there------and over here----
all my life----------my own husband was born in a shariah shit hole. I have relatives from just about
everywhere

Middle-easterners have the most skewed propaganda on the matter, in my experience.

With everything at stake and all of the geopolitical hands in that region, I think accounts of human rights violations are indeed the propaganda icing added to make sympathetic people supportive. This doesn't make tales of death in a revolt untrue, but I don't believe that they are any reason that the United States would actually do something about it. In fact, we mostly haven't.

Regarding Syria------the many deaths caused by the ASSADS are fully documented by outside
agencies. The Cause of extensive murder by the very bloody HAFEZ ASSAD was not
overt revolt just as the genocide against the Shiites and Kurds committed by Baathist
assad was not a result of revolt -----for that matter the mass murder of the Armenians
by the turks was not either--------it was stuff done on IDEOLOGICAL grounds----something
like Cromwell going after catholics. (remember? ----its really dullsville English history)
The United States virtually never does anything about GENOCIDE OVER SEAS------
we did nothing for the Armenians or for the Cambodians under Pol pot----or for the Kulaks
under Stalin.-----------I am intrigued with your "experience" with Middle east propaganda----
you got "EXPERIENCE"?

I'm 37 as far as experience.

When you know some of the history and you meet enough people with different stakes in an action or outcome, you can separate the heap from the reality. The reality is that the middle east wont find a better ruling solution for syria than the one they have. It's going to go the Lebanon route if the government fails... probably take lebanon down with it.

I am older than you are--------and probably met lots more people with stakes over there------like thousands.
Syria is already in the LEBANON DUNG HEAP-------it is infected with Hezbollah and the Christian
population is endangered ------"secular or not" Saddam Hussein was just as "secular" as are the
ASSADS

 

[montelatici]

You haven't met anyone with a stake in Syria. You are a fraud and haven't a clue as to what is and has been going on. You need to do some research before spouting a bunch of lies and BS. Read the piece which I have excerpted below, and get educated before talking out of your behind.

"The rebels, using weapons made in America, paid for by Saudi Arabia and funneled through Turkey, imposed a vision of society that took no account of Syrian diversity and mutual respect among its peoples. Syria, as history records, welcomed the Armenian victims of Turkey’s genocide after the First World War and had long been home to heterodox forms of Islam. The goal of the self-proclaimed Islamic State and Jebhat an-Nusra was to make Syria something it never was: an extension of Saudi Arabia. No one heeded Nietzsche’s warning, quoted early in the revolution by Masalit Mati, writer of the satirical, anti-Assad Top Goon puppet show: “Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one.”

The United States, with its European and Arab allies, had its own purposes in Syria. It strains belief that the US, Saudi Arabia and Qatar opposed Bashar al-Assad because he was a dictator or because his cousins were taking the lion’s share of the country’s wealth. The countries that crushed popular dissent against the royal family in Bahrain could not claim to believe in democracy for any Arab country. The US opposed Assad, as did the Saudis and Qataris, because he would not relinquish the alliance with Iran that gave him a strategic asset against Israel. Israel had occupied part of Syria since 1967 and showed no sign of relinquishing its hold or permitting the exiled inhabitants and their descendants to return. The Arab monarchies, which had sought to dominate Syria since it achieved independence from France in 1946, saw in Iran an adversary for control of Syria and, through Hezballah, Lebanon. To remove Assad was to eliminate Iranian influence in the Arab world.

- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/09/syrias-revolution-different#sthash.qrZCiU8e.dpuf

 

[irosie91]

You haven't met anyone with a stake in Syria. You are a fraud and haven't a clue as to what is and has been going on. You need to do some research before spouting a bunch of lies and BS. Read the piece which I have excerpted below, and get educated before talking out of your behind.

"The rebels, using weapons made in America, paid for by Saudi Arabia and funneled through Turkey, imposed a vision of society that took no account of Syrian diversity and mutual respect among its peoples. Syria, as history records, welcomed the Armenian victims of Turkey’s genocide after the First World War and had long been home to heterodox forms of Islam. The goal of the self-proclaimed Islamic State and Jebhat an-Nusra was to make Syria something it never was: an extension of Saudi Arabia. No one heeded Nietzsche’s warning, quoted early in the revolution by Masalit Mati, writer of the satirical, anti-Assad Top Goon puppet show: “Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one.”

The United States, with its European and Arab allies, had its own purposes in Syria. It strains belief that the US, Saudi Arabia and Qatar opposed Bashar al-Assad because he was a dictator or because his cousins were taking the lion’s share of the country’s wealth. The countries that crushed popular dissent against the royal family in Bahrain could not claim to believe in democracy for any Arab country. The US opposed Assad, as did the Saudis and Qataris, because he would not relinquish the alliance with Iran that gave him a strategic asset against Israel. Israel had occupied part of Syria since 1967 and showed no sign of relinquishing its hold or permitting the exiled inhabitants and their descendants to return. The Arab monarchies, which had sought to dominate Syria since it achieved independence from France in 1946, saw in Iran an adversary for control of Syria and, through Hezballah, Lebanon. To remove Assad was to eliminate Iranian influence in the Arab world.

- See more at: Could Syria’s revolution have been different?

oh gee MONDOWEISS -----tha Nazi's fave. I do not know anyone who PRESENTLY has stakes
in Syria -----other than relatives left behind-------I just know lots and lots and lots people who PULLED
UP STAKES in Syria and fled the ASSADS--------overwhelmingly mostly christians and jews. For
some reason lots and lots of Christian Syrians bear the name KHOURY--------there are lots of
KHOURIES in Israel now-----too.. I doubt Israel will give up the GOLAN HEIGHTS------it is such
a convenient site for nice guys to pick off kids playing in Israel in the fields below------

***** REMEMBER MAALOT******

 

[Billo_Really]

I didn't know Israel was in Syria.

They had a half dozen sorties in Syria before the Russians showed up. And for some reason, their sorties always happened around a rebel offensive to provide air cover for these terrorists.

 

[irosie91]

I didn't know Israel was in Syria.

They had a half dozen sorties in Syria before the Russians showed up. And for some reason, their sorties always happened around a rebel offensive to provide air cover for these terrorists.

your point is simple------you support the retention of the bloody assad government on the MYTH that
baathism is good. Communist Russia always supported Baathist pigs------

 

[Programmer]

I think you've succumb to propaganda on the matter. Nazis were a big deal because they were in europe. In the middle east, this sort of racist/religious supremacy exists in all leadership circles from israel to iran. Perhaps we have to restore puppet monarchs with iron fists, however, if universal education doesn't come out of it, the idiots will pick up rocks and guns anyhow.

Nope------I am not a victim of propaganda -----YOU ARE. genocide is not the NORM FOR ALL
in the middle east just as it is not the NORM FOR ALL in Europe or in the USA. In fact there have been
genocides in the USA in the past------in fact stimulated by the INQUISITION (believe it or not)
and there have certainly been some genocides in Europe other than ADOLF -------genocide in
the middle east is not a "norm" any more than it is in the USA I do not know what your
background is--------have been "mixing" with persons from over there------and over here----
all my life----------my own husband was born in a shariah shit hole. I have relatives from just about
everywhere

Middle-easterners have the most skewed propaganda on the matter, in my experience.

With everything at stake and all of the geopolitical hands in that region, I think accounts of human rights violations are indeed the propaganda icing added to make sympathetic people supportive. This doesn't make tales of death in a revolt untrue, but I don't believe that they are any reason that the United States would actually do something about it. In fact, we mostly haven't.

Regarding Syria------the many deaths caused by the ASSADS are fully documented by outside
agencies. The Cause of extensive murder by the very bloody HAFEZ ASSAD was not
overt revolt just as the genocide against the Shiites and Kurds committed by Baathist
assad was not a result of revolt -----for that matter the mass murder of the Armenians
by the turks was not either--------it was stuff done on IDEOLOGICAL grounds----something
like Cromwell going after catholics. (remember? ----its really dullsville English history)
The United States virtually never does anything about GENOCIDE OVER SEAS------
we did nothing for the Armenians or for the Cambodians under Pol pot----or for the Kulaks
under Stalin.-----------I am intrigued with your "experience" with Middle east propaganda----
you got "EXPERIENCE"?

I'm 37 as far as experience.

When you know some of the history and you meet enough people with different stakes in an action or outcome, you can separate the heap from the reality. The reality is that the middle east wont find a better ruling solution for syria than the one they have. It's going to go the Lebanon route if the government fails... probably take lebanon down with it.

I am older than you are--------and probably met lots more people with stakes over there------like thousands.
Syria is already in the LEBANON DUNG HEAP-------it is infected with Hezbollah and the Christian
population is endangered ------"secular or not" Saddam Hussein was just as "secular" as are the
ASSADS

Syria wasn't like this before this revolution. Was it deliberately destabilized by people digging up anti-Assad propaganda for that effect? - I say that's obvious. Does Saudi Arabia fan those flames: yes.

By taking one of those thousands of stakes as your own view, rather than seeing the matter objectively,... you've succumb to measuring the propaganda-driven perspective on the matter: limited to human rights violations and fearful christians. If not that it's that they have relations with Iran or Russia. It's mongering for American action.

 

[irosie91]

Nope------I am not a victim of propaganda -----YOU ARE. genocide is not the NORM FOR ALL
in the middle east just as it is not the NORM FOR ALL in Europe or in the USA. In fact there have been
genocides in the USA in the past------in fact stimulated by the INQUISITION (believe it or not)
and there have certainly been some genocides in Europe other than ADOLF -------genocide in
the middle east is not a "norm" any more than it is in the USA I do not know what your
background is--------have been "mixing" with persons from over there------and over here----
all my life----------my own husband was born in a shariah shit hole. I have relatives from just about
everywhere

Middle-easterners have the most skewed propaganda on the matter, in my experience.

With everything at stake and all of the geopolitical hands in that region, I think accounts of human rights violations are indeed the propaganda icing added to make sympathetic people supportive. This doesn't make tales of death in a revolt untrue, but I don't believe that they are any reason that the United States would actually do something about it. In fact, we mostly haven't.

Regarding Syria------the many deaths caused by the ASSADS are fully documented by outside
agencies. The Cause of extensive murder by the very bloody HAFEZ ASSAD was not
overt revolt just as the genocide against the Shiites and Kurds committed by Baathist
assad was not a result of revolt -----for that matter the mass murder of the Armenians
by the turks was not either--------it was stuff done on IDEOLOGICAL grounds----something
like Cromwell going after catholics. (remember? ----its really dullsville English history)
The United States virtually never does anything about GENOCIDE OVER SEAS------
we did nothing for the Armenians or for the Cambodians under Pol pot----or for the Kulaks
under Stalin.-----------I am intrigued with your "experience" with Middle east propaganda----
you got "EXPERIENCE"?

I'm 37 as far as experience.

When you know some of the history and you meet enough people with different stakes in an action or outcome, you can separate the heap from the reality. The reality is that the middle east wont find a better ruling solution for syria than the one they have. It's going to go the Lebanon route if the government fails... probably take lebanon down with it.

I am older than you are--------and probably met lots more people with stakes over there------like thousands.
Syria is already in the LEBANON DUNG HEAP-------it is infected with Hezbollah and the Christian
population is endangered ------"secular or not" Saddam Hussein was just as "secular" as are the
ASSADS

Syria wasn't like this before this revolution. Was it deliberately destabilized by people digging up anti-Assad propaganda for that effect? - I say that's obvious. Does Saudi Arabia fan those flames: yes.

By taking one of those thousands of stakes as your own view, rather than seeing the matter objectively,... you've succumb to measuring the propaganda-driven perspective on the matter: limited to human rights violations and fearful christians. If not that it's that they have relations with Iran or Russia. It's mongering for American action.

Syria was not like what? what "revolution"? --------Syrian Christians were streaming out of Syria LONG
ago--------like more than 45 years ago-------there were so many Syrian chrisitans in the north east area of the USA in which I grew up that I thought SYRIA is a Christian country------jews left too/ Some Syrian
Christians escaped into Israel. I have never encountered Christians who clearly did not like what was
going on in Syria seek AMERICAN INTERVENTION-------never heard the idea. They were worried about
relatives back home and very careful of what they SAID about PAPA HAFEZ

 

[Programmer]

Middle-easterners have the most skewed propaganda on the matter, in my experience.

With everything at stake and all of the geopolitical hands in that region, I think accounts of human rights violations are indeed the propaganda icing added to make sympathetic people supportive. This doesn't make tales of death in a revolt untrue, but I don't believe that they are any reason that the United States would actually do something about it. In fact, we mostly haven't.

Regarding Syria------the many deaths caused by the ASSADS are fully documented by outside
agencies. The Cause of extensive murder by the very bloody HAFEZ ASSAD was not
overt revolt just as the genocide against the Shiites and Kurds committed by Baathist
assad was not a result of revolt -----for that matter the mass murder of the Armenians
by the turks was not either--------it was stuff done on IDEOLOGICAL grounds----something
like Cromwell going after catholics. (remember? ----its really dullsville English history)
The United States virtually never does anything about GENOCIDE OVER SEAS------
we did nothing for the Armenians or for the Cambodians under Pol pot----or for the Kulaks
under Stalin.-----------I am intrigued with your "experience" with Middle east propaganda----
you got "EXPERIENCE"?

I'm 37 as far as experience.

When you know some of the history and you meet enough people with different stakes in an action or outcome, you can separate the heap from the reality. The reality is that the middle east wont find a better ruling solution for syria than the one they have. It's going to go the Lebanon route if the government fails... probably take lebanon down with it.

I am older than you are--------and probably met lots more people with stakes over there------like thousands.
Syria is already in the LEBANON DUNG HEAP-------it is infected with Hezbollah and the Christian
population is endangered ------"secular or not" Saddam Hussein was just as "secular" as are the
ASSADS

Syria wasn't like this before this revolution. Was it deliberately destabilized by people digging up anti-Assad propaganda for that effect? - I say that's obvious. Does Saudi Arabia fan those flames: yes.

By taking one of those thousands of stakes as your own view, rather than seeing the matter objectively,... you've succumb to measuring the propaganda-driven perspective on the matter: limited to human rights violations and fearful christians. If not that it's that they have relations with Iran or Russia. It's mongering for American action.

Syria was not like what? what "revolution"? --------Syrian Christians were streaming out of Syria LONG
ago--------like more than 45 years ago-------there were so many Syrian chrisitans in the north east area of the USA in which I grew up that I thought SYRIA is a Christian country------jews left too/ Some Syrian
Christians escaped into Israel. I have never encountered Christians who clearly did not like what was
going on in Syria seek AMERICAN INTERVENTION-------never heard the idea. They were worried about
relatives back home and very careful of what they SAID about PAPA HAFEZ

Right. A special interest group. I grew up in LA. Have you been to the mideast?

 

[irosie91]

Regarding Syria------the many deaths caused by the ASSADS are fully documented by outside
agencies. The Cause of extensive murder by the very bloody HAFEZ ASSAD was not
overt revolt just as the genocide against the Shiites and Kurds committed by Baathist
assad was not a result of revolt -----for that matter the mass murder of the Armenians
by the turks was not either--------it was stuff done on IDEOLOGICAL grounds----something
like Cromwell going after catholics. (remember? ----its really dullsville English history)
The United States virtually never does anything about GENOCIDE OVER SEAS------
we did nothing for the Armenians or for the Cambodians under Pol pot----or for the Kulaks
under Stalin.-----------I am intrigued with your "experience" with Middle east propaganda----
you got "EXPERIENCE"?

I'm 37 as far as experience.

When you know some of the history and you meet enough people with different stakes in an action or outcome, you can separate the heap from the reality. The reality is that the middle east wont find a better ruling solution for syria than the one they have. It's going to go the Lebanon route if the government fails... probably take lebanon down with it.

I am older than you are--------and probably met lots more people with stakes over there------like thousands.
Syria is already in the LEBANON DUNG HEAP-------it is infected with Hezbollah and the Christian
population is endangered ------"secular or not" Saddam Hussein was just as "secular" as are the
ASSADS

Syria wasn't like this before this revolution. Was it deliberately destabilized by people digging up anti-Assad propaganda for that effect? - I say that's obvious. Does Saudi Arabia fan those flames: yes.

By taking one of those thousands of stakes as your own view, rather than seeing the matter objectively,... you've succumb to measuring the propaganda-driven perspective on the matter: limited to human rights violations and fearful christians. If not that it's that they have relations with Iran or Russia. It's mongering for American action.

Syria was not like what? what "revolution"? --------Syrian Christians were streaming out of Syria LONG
ago--------like more than 45 years ago-------there were so many Syrian chrisitans in the north east area of the USA in which I grew up that I thought SYRIA is a Christian country------jews left too/ Some Syrian
Christians escaped into Israel. I have never encountered Christians who clearly did not like what was
going on in Syria seek AMERICAN INTERVENTION-------never heard the idea. They were worried about
relatives back home and very careful of what they SAID about PAPA HAFEZ

Right. A special interest group. I grew up in LA. Have you been to the mideast?

I grew up in the north east-------I have been to the Mideast. but more importantly I have interacted with
----probably up to a thousand persons from the far east and the Mideast ------right here in the USA-----since
the 1950s------maybe more depending on what you call "interact" My husband was born in a
mideastern SHARIAH SHIT HOLE --------I leaned lots from his relatives------since he has nine sibs----
LOTS OF RELATIVES