Kimberley Strassel: 2020 Dems vowing to 'kill every coal job, every oil and gas job' with climate go

[Terri4Trump]

Kimberley Strassel: 2020 Dems vowing to 'kill every coal job, every oil and gas job' with climate goals
Kimberley Strassel: 2020 Dems vowing to 'kill every coal job, every oil and gas job' with climate goals

"When you talk about banning fracking. When you talk about a carbon-free economy by 2030 or 2050, you are saying 'we are going to kill every coal job in the country, every oil and gas job, all of the shipping jobs that they do -- we're talking about millions of positions," Strassel said during the "The Journal Editorial Report."

"That is not a vote-getter out at the polls," she said. Strassel speculated that progressives, upset with the Democratic establishment after the 2016 election, were flexing their muscles with their highly ambitious proposals and sought to have one of their candidates get the party's nomination in 2020.

"The problem here ... is that this was one of the reasons they did lose last time," she said. "Remember, [former Democratic presidential nominee] Hillary Clinton still says one of the bigger mistakes she made was promising to put a lot of coal workers out of a job."

ME: It is not outrageous to say that the Democrats aim to destroy jobs and the economy on Day One if they get elected. For decades we have been an energy importing country and the ragheads have had a hold over us. For the first time, under Trump, we finally became and energy exporting country, with all the jobs that come with that, and these IDIOTS are promising to destroy it all.

 

[Kilroy2]

Yeah Trains use to be huge but it has declined since their heyday after WW2

Everything declines when new things take its place

Companies went bankrupt ,
Steam locomotive is history

its called progress

If coal meets its demise it will be replaced with something else

new jobs will be created

Oil production will not decline as long as automobiles and other user are still active

Fracking is just a way to increase production and it is relatively new technique for drilling. Other things will come that may or may not be better but will do what fracking does

Still Fracking uses a whole lot of water and in areas this high water use is in direct competition with farmers who grow products

Also in some areas water is so bad that many have to start using bottle water that have been purified thru several processes

Fracking also produces waste water that is eventually pumped back into the ground but is not usable

Fracking process has been improved with new technology that recycles this water so that it not pumped back into the ground so fast.

Still oil production will continue until oilfields dry up and then new sources of oil will have to be found

 

[Dick Foster]

Kimberley Strassel: 2020 Dems vowing to 'kill every coal job, every oil and gas job' with climate goals
Kimberley Strassel: 2020 Dems vowing to 'kill every coal job, every oil and gas job' with climate goals

"When you talk about banning fracking. When you talk about a carbon-free economy by 2030 or 2050, you are saying 'we are going to kill every coal job in the country, every oil and gas job, all of the shipping jobs that they do -- we're talking about millions of positions," Strassel said during the "The Journal Editorial Report."

"That is not a vote-getter out at the polls," she said. Strassel speculated that progressives, upset with the Democratic establishment after the 2016 election, were flexing their muscles with their highly ambitious proposals and sought to have one of their candidates get the party's nomination in 2020.

"The problem here ... is that this was one of the reasons they did lose last time," she said. "Remember, [former Democratic presidential nominee] Hillary Clinton still says one of the bigger mistakes she made was promising to put a lot of coal workers out of a job."

ME: It is not outrageous to say that the Democrats aim to destroy jobs and the economy on Day One if they get elected. For decades we have been an energy importing country and the ragheads have had a hold over us. For the first time, under Trump, we finally became and energy exporting country, with all the jobs that come with that, and these IDIOTS are promising to destroy it all.

Great idea considering how well it worked out for the Hildabeast.
The demodummies are like a perfect self eradicating infestation.

 

[SAYIT]

Kimberley Strassel: 2020 Dems vowing to 'kill every coal job, every oil and gas job' with climate goals
Kimberley Strassel: 2020 Dems vowing to 'kill every coal job, every oil and gas job' with climate goals

"When you talk about banning fracking. When you talk about a carbon-free economy by 2030 or 2050, you are saying 'we are going to kill every coal job in the country, every oil and gas job, all of the shipping jobs that they do -- we're talking about millions of positions," Strassel said during the "The Journal Editorial Report."

"That is not a vote-getter out at the polls," she said. Strassel speculated that progressives, upset with the Democratic establishment after the 2016 election, were flexing their muscles with their highly ambitious proposals and sought to have one of their candidates get the party's nomination in 2020.

"The problem here ... is that this was one of the reasons they did lose last time," she said. "Remember, [former Democratic presidential nominee] Hillary Clinton still says one of the bigger mistakes she made was promising to put a lot of coal workers out of a job."

ME: It is not outrageous to say that the Democrats aim to destroy jobs and the economy on Day One if they get elected. For decades we have been an energy importing country and the ragheads have had a hold over us. For the first time, under Trump, we finally became and energy exporting country, with all the jobs that come with that, and these IDIOTS are promising to destroy it all.

Whatever chance the Democrat Socialist Party had to appeal to centrist Independent voters by making 2020 a referendum on Trump is being swamped by their radical policies and the pathetic bunch of clowns promoting them.

Promising to destroy our economy (they will) to save the planet (they won't) isn't just pie-in-the-sky silliness, it's a surefire way to insure Trump's reelection. Yeah, the science is settled:

Green New Deal Would Barely Change Earth’s Temperature. Here Are the Facts.
Here’s the most important fact about the Green New Deal: It wouldn’t work. Ultimately, fully implementing the Green New Deal would have no meaningful impact on global temperatures.

 

[Terri4Trump]

Yeah Trains use to be huge but it has declined since their heyday after WW2

Everything declines when new things take its place

Companies went bankrupt ,
Steam locomotive is history

its called progress

If coal meets its demise it will be replaced with something else

new jobs will be created

Oil production will not decline as long as automobiles and other user are still active

Fracking is just a way to increase production and it is relatively new technique for drilling. Other things will come that may or may not be better but will do what fracking does

Still Fracking uses a whole lot of water and in areas this high water use is in direct competition with farmers who grow products

Also in some areas water is so bad that many have to start using bottle water that have been purified thru several processes

Fracking also produces waste water that is eventually pumped back into the ground but is not usable

Fracking process has been improved with new technology that recycles this water so that it not pumped back into the ground so fast.

Still oil production will continue until oilfields dry up and then new sources of oil will have to be found

People can buy electric cars, but personal cars are just one of many users of oil and gas. Think of the military, of all the farms and farming equipment, airplanes, ships of all kinds, not to mention petroleum based products. Oil is here to stay, so the best thing to do is drill and frack and keep it cheap.

(By the way, trains are still the main choice for land based transportation of goods. Trucks are far more costly.)

 

[Kilroy2]

Yeah Trains use to be huge but it has declined since their heyday after WW2

Everything declines when new things take its place

Companies went bankrupt ,
Steam locomotive is history

its called progress

If coal meets its demise it will be replaced with something else

new jobs will be created

Oil production will not decline as long as automobiles and other user are still active

Fracking is just a way to increase production and it is relatively new technique for drilling. Other things will come that may or may not be better but will do what fracking does

Still Fracking uses a whole lot of water and in areas this high water use is in direct competition with farmers who grow products

Also in some areas water is so bad that many have to start using bottle water that have been purified thru several processes

Fracking also produces waste water that is eventually pumped back into the ground but is not usable

Fracking process has been improved with new technology that recycles this water so that it not pumped back into the ground so fast.

Still oil production will continue until oilfields dry up and then new sources of oil will have to be found

People can buy electric cars, but personal cars are just one of many users of oil and gas. Think of the military, of all the farms and farming equipment, airplanes, ships of all kinds, not to mention petroleum based products. Oil is here to stay, so the best thing to do is drill and frack and keep it cheap.

(By the way, trains are still the main choice for land based transportation of goods. Trucks are far more costly.)

Still the point I was making is that they were huge prior to around 1930 and have lost their premiere status.
They are not dead yet but

Things change over time

Still the US imports about 78% of U.S. gross petroleum imports in 2018, and non-crude oil petroleum accounted for about 22% of gross petroleum imports.

In 2018, the United States exported about 7.59 MMb/d of petroleum to 190 countries and 4 U.S. territories, of which about 26% was crude oil and 74% was non-crude oil petroleum.

US oil reserves are rated 10th on the list of Countries with Proven reserves

At 10 on the list, it is nothing compared to SA and Venzuela, even canada has more oil. Numbers are billion. Compared to Venezuela which has about 80 percent more Proven Oil reserves. If you were to add up all those above US proven reserves it would look pretty small.

1 Venezuela 300,878
2 Saudi Arabia 266,455
3 Canada 169,709
4 Iran 158,400
5 Iraq 142,503
6 Kuwait 101,500
7 United Arab Emirates 97,800
8 Russia 80,000
9 Libya 48,363
10 United States 39,230
11 Nigeria 37,062
12 Kazakhstan 30,000
13 China 25,620
14 Qatar 25,244
15 Brazil 12,999
16 Algeria 12,200
17 Angola 8,273
18 Ecuador 8,273
19 Mexico 7,640

Unless more oil is found it is not sustainable

Oil prices are affected by OPEC decisions

US can produce all the oil that they need but it is not sustainable

As Electric cars become better they will probably will take over eventually

Yes there is ethanol and who knows what else can be used.

Oil is a short term fix when compared with Father Time. Other countries can wait us out even as the US is currently the top producer but Venezuela and SA are laughing because they will be producing longer than the US can sustain this output.

Still for the Me Me's that is all that counts is what is happening now

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Yeah Trains use to be huge but it has declined since their heyday after WW2

Everything declines when new things take its place

Companies went bankrupt ,
Steam locomotive is history

its called progress

If coal meets its demise it will be replaced with something else

new jobs will be created

Oil production will not decline as long as automobiles and other user are still active

Fracking is just a way to increase production and it is relatively new technique for drilling. Other things will come that may or may not be better but will do what fracking does

Still Fracking uses a whole lot of water and in areas this high water use is in direct competition with farmers who grow products

Also in some areas water is so bad that many have to start using bottle water that have been purified thru several processes

Fracking also produces waste water that is eventually pumped back into the ground but is not usable

Fracking process has been improved with new technology that recycles this water so that it not pumped back into the ground so fast.

Still oil production will continue until oilfields dry up and then new sources of oil will have to be found

Steam engines were replaced because diesel/electric engines were easier and cheaper to fuel and could pull 4x what the steamer could.

That was progress. It wasn’t government mandated. You can’t mandate progress with nothing to replace where the hell you are. What are you going to replace locomotives with? Is there some magic solar powered one out there?

 

[Terri4Trump]

Yeah Trains use to be huge but it has declined since their heyday after WW2

Everything declines when new things take its place

Companies went bankrupt ,
Steam locomotive is history

its called progress

If coal meets its demise it will be replaced with something else

new jobs will be created

Oil production will not decline as long as automobiles and other user are still active

Fracking is just a way to increase production and it is relatively new technique for drilling. Other things will come that may or may not be better but will do what fracking does

Still Fracking uses a whole lot of water and in areas this high water use is in direct competition with farmers who grow products

Also in some areas water is so bad that many have to start using bottle water that have been purified thru several processes

Fracking also produces waste water that is eventually pumped back into the ground but is not usable

Fracking process has been improved with new technology that recycles this water so that it not pumped back into the ground so fast.

Still oil production will continue until oilfields dry up and then new sources of oil will have to be found

People can buy electric cars, but personal cars are just one of many users of oil and gas. Think of the military, of all the farms and farming equipment, airplanes, ships of all kinds, not to mention petroleum based products. Oil is here to stay, so the best thing to do is drill and frack and keep it cheap.

(By the way, trains are still the main choice for land based transportation of goods. Trucks are far more costly.)

Still the point I was making is that they were huge prior to around 1930 and have lost their premiere status.
They are not dead yet but

Things change over time

Still the US imports about 78% of U.S. gross petroleum imports in 2018, and non-crude oil petroleum accounted for about 22% of gross petroleum imports.

In 2018, the United States exported about 7.59 MMb/d of petroleum to 190 countries and 4 U.S. territories, of which about 26% was crude oil and 74% was non-crude oil petroleum.

US oil reserves are rated 10th on the list of Countries with Proven reserves

At 10 on the list, it is nothing compared to SA and Venzuela, even canada has more oil. Numbers are billion. Compared to Venezuela which has about 80 percent more Proven Oil reserves. If you were to add up all those above US proven reserves it would look pretty small.

1 Venezuela 300,878
2 Saudi Arabia 266,455
3 Canada 169,709
4 Iran 158,400
5 Iraq 142,503
6 Kuwait 101,500
7 United Arab Emirates 97,800
8 Russia 80,000
9 Libya 48,363
10 United States 39,230
11 Nigeria 37,062
12 Kazakhstan 30,000
13 China 25,620
14 Qatar 25,244
15 Brazil 12,999
16 Algeria 12,200
17 Angola 8,273
18 Ecuador 8,273
19 Mexico 7,640

Unless more oil is found it is not sustainable

Oil prices are affected by OPEC decisions

US can produce all the oil that they need but it is not sustainable

As Electric cars become better they will probably will take over eventually

Yes there is ethanol and who knows what else can be used.

Oil is a short term fix when compared with Father Time. Other countries can wait us out even as the US is currently the top producer but Venezuela and SA are laughing because they will be producing longer than the US can sustain this output.

Still for the Me Me's that is all that counts is what is happening now

Oh yes, things will change. The key is to let market forces and good old American ingenuity change them, not socialist authoritarians with an agenda.

Some smart person will invent something and people will buy it and things will change. Thats what happened with cars.

 

[Kilroy2]

Yeah Trains use to be huge but it has declined since their heyday after WW2

Everything declines when new things take its place

Companies went bankrupt ,
Steam locomotive is history

its called progress

If coal meets its demise it will be replaced with something else

new jobs will be created

Oil production will not decline as long as automobiles and other user are still active

Fracking is just a way to increase production and it is relatively new technique for drilling. Other things will come that may or may not be better but will do what fracking does

Still Fracking uses a whole lot of water and in areas this high water use is in direct competition with farmers who grow products

Also in some areas water is so bad that many have to start using bottle water that have been purified thru several processes

Fracking also produces waste water that is eventually pumped back into the ground but is not usable

Fracking process has been improved with new technology that recycles this water so that it not pumped back into the ground so fast.

Still oil production will continue until oilfields dry up and then new sources of oil will have to be found

Steam engines were replaced because diesel/electric engines were easier and cheaper to fuel and could pull 4x what the steamer could.

That was progress. It wasn’t government mandated. You can’t mandate progress with nothing to replace where the hell you are. What are you going to replace locomotives with? Is there some magic solar powered one out there?

Yes it was progress as I stated previously

Without something to replace it yeah obviously it is not going anywhere

A response to the topic of this thread

All progress was heralded by those who saw a different future

Coal MAY eventually die out with progress as burning coal put additional C02 gas into the atmosphere due to HUMAN ACTIVITY

You are putting more CO2 in the air than what would happen naturally

C02 radiates in all directions. Thus some of it is transferred back to the earth in the form of heat
Yes it does this anyway but if you add more CO2 that what nature intended then some of it will make it back to the earth than what would happen naturally

8 billion people and if they all started burning coal what would the consequences be

Change is natural and the earth changes over time

Thus naturally man must change

Now we can argue about what does that mean but we know that it isn't natural to have excess CO2 in the atmosphere that is specifically due to human activities

So in response to the thread politically The government does step in.

example automotive pollution in the 60 and the US government stepped in and mandated changes


results - vehicles are 99% cleaner for tailpipe pollutants

Fuels are much cleaner and lead in fuel was removed due to government mandate and sulfur levels are way lower. Air quality in most cities has improved even as the number of vehicles has drastically increased. These standards have forced automotive to created new technology and innovation in the industry

This was because government stepped in and made changes and that is progress.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Yeah Trains use to be huge but it has declined since their heyday after WW2

Everything declines when new things take its place

Companies went bankrupt ,
Steam locomotive is history

its called progress

If coal meets its demise it will be replaced with something else

new jobs will be created

Oil production will not decline as long as automobiles and other user are still active

Fracking is just a way to increase production and it is relatively new technique for drilling. Other things will come that may or may not be better but will do what fracking does

Still Fracking uses a whole lot of water and in areas this high water use is in direct competition with farmers who grow products

Also in some areas water is so bad that many have to start using bottle water that have been purified thru several processes

Fracking also produces waste water that is eventually pumped back into the ground but is not usable

Fracking process has been improved with new technology that recycles this water so that it not pumped back into the ground so fast.

Still oil production will continue until oilfields dry up and then new sources of oil will have to be found

People can buy electric cars, but personal cars are just one of many users of oil and gas. Think of the military, of all the farms and farming equipment, airplanes, ships of all kinds, not to mention petroleum based products. Oil is here to stay, so the best thing to do is drill and frack and keep it cheap.

(By the way, trains are still the main choice for land based transportation of goods. Trucks are far more costly.)

Still the point I was making is that they were huge prior to around 1930 and have lost their premiere status.
They are not dead yet but

Things change over time

Still the US imports about 78% of U.S. gross petroleum imports in 2018, and non-crude oil petroleum accounted for about 22% of gross petroleum imports.

In 2018, the United States exported about 7.59 MMb/d of petroleum to 190 countries and 4 U.S. territories, of which about 26% was crude oil and 74% was non-crude oil petroleum.

US oil reserves are rated 10th on the list of Countries with Proven reserves

At 10 on the list, it is nothing compared to SA and Venzuela, even canada has more oil. Numbers are billion. Compared to Venezuela which has about 80 percent more Proven Oil reserves. If you were to add up all those above US proven reserves it would look pretty small.

1 Venezuela 300,878
2 Saudi Arabia 266,455
3 Canada 169,709
4 Iran 158,400
5 Iraq 142,503
6 Kuwait 101,500
7 United Arab Emirates 97,800
8 Russia 80,000
9 Libya 48,363
10 United States 39,230
11 Nigeria 37,062
12 Kazakhstan 30,000
13 China 25,620
14 Qatar 25,244
15 Brazil 12,999
16 Algeria 12,200
17 Angola 8,273
18 Ecuador 8,273
19 Mexico 7,640

Unless more oil is found it is not sustainable

Oil prices are affected by OPEC decisions

US can produce all the oil that they need but it is not sustainable

As Electric cars become better they will probably will take over eventually

Yes there is ethanol and who knows what else can be used.

Oil is a short term fix when compared with Father Time. Other countries can wait us out even as the US is currently the top producer but Venezuela and SA are laughing because they will be producing longer than the US can sustain this output.

Still for the Me Me's that is all that counts is what is happening now

Your problem is dems want to short circuit natural progress of tech and declare crap as king and new normal before its rdy. People aren't against progress they are against govt interfering in the process

 

[Crepitus]

Kimberley Strassel: 2020 Dems vowing to 'kill every coal job, every oil and gas job' with climate goals
Kimberley Strassel: 2020 Dems vowing to 'kill every coal job, every oil and gas job' with climate goals

"When you talk about banning fracking. When you talk about a carbon-free economy by 2030 or 2050, you are saying 'we are going to kill every coal job in the country, every oil and gas job, all of the shipping jobs that they do -- we're talking about millions of positions," Strassel said during the "The Journal Editorial Report."

"That is not a vote-getter out at the polls," she said. Strassel speculated that progressives, upset with the Democratic establishment after the 2016 election, were flexing their muscles with their highly ambitious proposals and sought to have one of their candidates get the party's nomination in 2020.

"The problem here ... is that this was one of the reasons they did lose last time," she said. "Remember, [former Democratic presidential nominee] Hillary Clinton still says one of the bigger mistakes she made was promising to put a lot of coal workers out of a job."

ME: It is not outrageous to say that the Democrats aim to destroy jobs and the economy on Day One if they get elected. For decades we have been an energy importing country and the ragheads have had a hold over us. For the first time, under Trump, we finally became and energy exporting country, with all the jobs that come with that, and these IDIOTS are promising to destroy it all.

Who?

 

[Terri4Trump]

Your problem is dems want to short circuit natural progress of tech and declare crap as king and new normal before its rdy. People aren't against progress they are against govt interfering in the process

Thats exactly right. As I said: "The key is to let market forces and good old American ingenuity change them, not socialist authoritarians with an agenda. Some smart person will invent something and people will buy it and things will change. Thats what happened with cars.

 

[jc456]

Yeah Trains use to be huge but it has declined since their heyday after WW2

Everything declines when new things take its place

Companies went bankrupt ,
Steam locomotive is history

its called progress

If coal meets its demise it will be replaced with something else

new jobs will be created

Oil production will not decline as long as automobiles and other user are still active

Fracking is just a way to increase production and it is relatively new technique for drilling. Other things will come that may or may not be better but will do what fracking does

Still Fracking uses a whole lot of water and in areas this high water use is in direct competition with farmers who grow products

Also in some areas water is so bad that many have to start using bottle water that have been purified thru several processes

Fracking also produces waste water that is eventually pumped back into the ground but is not usable

Fracking process has been improved with new technology that recycles this water so that it not pumped back into the ground so fast.

Still oil production will continue until oilfields dry up and then new sources of oil will have to be found

People can buy electric cars, but personal cars are just one of many users of oil and gas. Think of the military, of all the farms and farming equipment, airplanes, ships of all kinds, not to mention petroleum based products. Oil is here to stay, so the best thing to do is drill and frack and keep it cheap.

(By the way, trains are still the main choice for land based transportation of goods. Trucks are far more costly.)

Still the point I was making is that they were huge prior to around 1930 and have lost their premiere status.
They are not dead yet but

Things change over time

Still the US imports about 78% of U.S. gross petroleum imports in 2018, and non-crude oil petroleum accounted for about 22% of gross petroleum imports.

In 2018, the United States exported about 7.59 MMb/d of petroleum to 190 countries and 4 U.S. territories, of which about 26% was crude oil and 74% was non-crude oil petroleum.

US oil reserves are rated 10th on the list of Countries with Proven reserves

At 10 on the list, it is nothing compared to SA and Venzuela, even canada has more oil. Numbers are billion. Compared to Venezuela which has about 80 percent more Proven Oil reserves. If you were to add up all those above US proven reserves it would look pretty small.

1 Venezuela 300,878
2 Saudi Arabia 266,455
3 Canada 169,709
4 Iran 158,400
5 Iraq 142,503
6 Kuwait 101,500
7 United Arab Emirates 97,800
8 Russia 80,000
9 Libya 48,363
10 United States 39,230
11 Nigeria 37,062
12 Kazakhstan 30,000
13 China 25,620
14 Qatar 25,244
15 Brazil 12,999
16 Algeria 12,200
17 Angola 8,273
18 Ecuador 8,273
19 Mexico 7,640

Unless more oil is found it is not sustainable

Oil prices are affected by OPEC decisions

US can produce all the oil that they need but it is not sustainable

As Electric cars become better they will probably will take over eventually

Yes there is ethanol and who knows what else can be used.

Oil is a short term fix when compared with Father Time. Other countries can wait us out even as the US is currently the top producer but Venezuela and SA are laughing because they will be producing longer than the US can sustain this output.

Still for the Me Me's that is all that counts is what is happening now

are you saying that oil will be dried up? how?

 

[Terri4Trump]

Who?

Why does that not surprise me.

 

[Kilroy2]

Yeah Trains use to be huge but it has declined since their heyday after WW2

Everything declines when new things take its place

Companies went bankrupt ,
Steam locomotive is history

its called progress

If coal meets its demise it will be replaced with something else

new jobs will be created

Oil production will not decline as long as automobiles and other user are still active

Fracking is just a way to increase production and it is relatively new technique for drilling. Other things will come that may or may not be better but will do what fracking does

Still Fracking uses a whole lot of water and in areas this high water use is in direct competition with farmers who grow products

Also in some areas water is so bad that many have to start using bottle water that have been purified thru several processes

Fracking also produces waste water that is eventually pumped back into the ground but is not usable

Fracking process has been improved with new technology that recycles this water so that it not pumped back into the ground so fast.

Still oil production will continue until oilfields dry up and then new sources of oil will have to be found

People can buy electric cars, but personal cars are just one of many users of oil and gas. Think of the military, of all the farms and farming equipment, airplanes, ships of all kinds, not to mention petroleum based products. Oil is here to stay, so the best thing to do is drill and frack and keep it cheap.

(By the way, trains are still the main choice for land based transportation of goods. Trucks are far more costly.)

Still the point I was making is that they were huge prior to around 1930 and have lost their premiere status.
They are not dead yet but

Things change over time

Still the US imports about 78% of U.S. gross petroleum imports in 2018, and non-crude oil petroleum accounted for about 22% of gross petroleum imports.

In 2018, the United States exported about 7.59 MMb/d of petroleum to 190 countries and 4 U.S. territories, of which about 26% was crude oil and 74% was non-crude oil petroleum.

US oil reserves are rated 10th on the list of Countries with Proven reserves

At 10 on the list, it is nothing compared to SA and Venzuela, even canada has more oil. Numbers are billion. Compared to Venezuela which has about 80 percent more Proven Oil reserves. If you were to add up all those above US proven reserves it would look pretty small.

1 Venezuela 300,878
2 Saudi Arabia 266,455
3 Canada 169,709
4 Iran 158,400
5 Iraq 142,503
6 Kuwait 101,500
7 United Arab Emirates 97,800
8 Russia 80,000
9 Libya 48,363
10 United States 39,230
11 Nigeria 37,062
12 Kazakhstan 30,000
13 China 25,620
14 Qatar 25,244
15 Brazil 12,999
16 Algeria 12,200
17 Angola 8,273
18 Ecuador 8,273
19 Mexico 7,640

Unless more oil is found it is not sustainable

Oil prices are affected by OPEC decisions

US can produce all the oil that they need but it is not sustainable

As Electric cars become better they will probably will take over eventually

Yes there is ethanol and who knows what else can be used.

Oil is a short term fix when compared with Father Time. Other countries can wait us out even as the US is currently the top producer but Venezuela and SA are laughing because they will be producing longer than the US can sustain this output.

Still for the Me Me's that is all that counts is what is happening now

are you saying that oil will be dried up? how?

the term economically recoverable oil is thrown around and some say that the oil is finite and estimates when will it end

we can argue when that will happen or if any new oil will be found but the below graph show new oil found over the years and it is declining drastically

At least with certainty we can say nobody knows how much the earth holds

We use Proven reserves because we know where this oil is and can reach it

but it has to be accessible for it to be usable. Looking at usage and proven reserves it does paint a grim picture for the future generation

Still we know that hydrocarbons are just dead animals and plants that are compressed in the earth crust and that it is non renewable. So it is finite.

We can argue when it will be depleted and how much is still there but obviously it is not sustainable for the long haul

 

[jc456]

Yeah Trains use to be huge but it has declined since their heyday after WW2

Everything declines when new things take its place

Companies went bankrupt ,
Steam locomotive is history

its called progress

If coal meets its demise it will be replaced with something else

new jobs will be created

Oil production will not decline as long as automobiles and other user are still active

Fracking is just a way to increase production and it is relatively new technique for drilling. Other things will come that may or may not be better but will do what fracking does

Still Fracking uses a whole lot of water and in areas this high water use is in direct competition with farmers who grow products

Also in some areas water is so bad that many have to start using bottle water that have been purified thru several processes

Fracking also produces waste water that is eventually pumped back into the ground but is not usable

Fracking process has been improved with new technology that recycles this water so that it not pumped back into the ground so fast.

Still oil production will continue until oilfields dry up and then new sources of oil will have to be found

People can buy electric cars, but personal cars are just one of many users of oil and gas. Think of the military, of all the farms and farming equipment, airplanes, ships of all kinds, not to mention petroleum based products. Oil is here to stay, so the best thing to do is drill and frack and keep it cheap.

(By the way, trains are still the main choice for land based transportation of goods. Trucks are far more costly.)

Still the point I was making is that they were huge prior to around 1930 and have lost their premiere status.
They are not dead yet but

Things change over time

Still the US imports about 78% of U.S. gross petroleum imports in 2018, and non-crude oil petroleum accounted for about 22% of gross petroleum imports.

In 2018, the United States exported about 7.59 MMb/d of petroleum to 190 countries and 4 U.S. territories, of which about 26% was crude oil and 74% was non-crude oil petroleum.

US oil reserves are rated 10th on the list of Countries with Proven reserves

At 10 on the list, it is nothing compared to SA and Venzuela, even canada has more oil. Numbers are billion. Compared to Venezuela which has about 80 percent more Proven Oil reserves. If you were to add up all those above US proven reserves it would look pretty small.

1 Venezuela 300,878
2 Saudi Arabia 266,455
3 Canada 169,709
4 Iran 158,400
5 Iraq 142,503
6 Kuwait 101,500
7 United Arab Emirates 97,800
8 Russia 80,000
9 Libya 48,363
10 United States 39,230
11 Nigeria 37,062
12 Kazakhstan 30,000
13 China 25,620
14 Qatar 25,244
15 Brazil 12,999
16 Algeria 12,200
17 Angola 8,273
18 Ecuador 8,273
19 Mexico 7,640

Unless more oil is found it is not sustainable

Oil prices are affected by OPEC decisions

US can produce all the oil that they need but it is not sustainable

As Electric cars become better they will probably will take over eventually

Yes there is ethanol and who knows what else can be used.

Oil is a short term fix when compared with Father Time. Other countries can wait us out even as the US is currently the top producer but Venezuela and SA are laughing because they will be producing longer than the US can sustain this output.

Still for the Me Me's that is all that counts is what is happening now

are you saying that oil will be dried up? how?

the term economically recoverable oil is thrown around and some say that the oil is finite and estimates when will it end

we can argue when that will happen or if any new oil will be found but the below graph show new oil found over the years and it is declining drastically

At least with certainty we can say nobody knows how much the earth holds

We use Proven reserves because we know where this oil is and can reach it

but it has to be accessible for it to be usable. Looking at usage and proven reserves it does paint a grim picture for the future generation

Still we know that hydrocarbons are just dead animals and plants that are compressed in the earth crust and that it is non renewable. So it is finite.

We can argue when it will be depleted and how much is still there but obviously it is not sustainable for the long haul

you don't think the earth replenishes the oil? No one knows where it comes from, it isn't from dinosaur fossils as we were taught in school. That would indeed be finite. What we do know is wells that were once dry, are back producing. Another point, the earth is huge compared to what we've already drilled. the scare mongers will always exist. the fact is there are no facts. What we know right now is there is plenty for a very long time. scare monger somewhere else.

 

[Terri4Trump]

I have always been a big fan of hydrogen cars myself. With electric cars you still need to generate the electricity which means you still need some sort of power plants. With hydrogen all you need is water and a cracker. I am against big government spending and regulations and directives, but I wouldn't mind a one-time infrastructure investing and making sure that all gas stations had a hydrogen cracker

 

[koshergrl]

The whole environmental movement is nothing but creeping communism and totalitarianism.

The nazis used the same ploys. It was *good for Germany* to turn over the assets and industries to the state...especially if those assets and industries were controlled by or owned by certain hated classifications of people. The Germans used that fake ideology to target Jews. Today's totalitarians are using it to target rural residents and small business owners (as the nazis did as well...)

 

[Kilroy2]

Yeah Trains use to be huge but it has declined since their heyday after WW2

Everything declines when new things take its place

Companies went bankrupt ,
Steam locomotive is history

its called progress

If coal meets its demise it will be replaced with something else

new jobs will be created

Oil production will not decline as long as automobiles and other user are still active

Fracking is just a way to increase production and it is relatively new technique for drilling. Other things will come that may or may not be better but will do what fracking does

Still Fracking uses a whole lot of water and in areas this high water use is in direct competition with farmers who grow products

Also in some areas water is so bad that many have to start using bottle water that have been purified thru several processes

Fracking also produces waste water that is eventually pumped back into the ground but is not usable

Fracking process has been improved with new technology that recycles this water so that it not pumped back into the ground so fast.

Still oil production will continue until oilfields dry up and then new sources of oil will have to be found

People can buy electric cars, but personal cars are just one of many users of oil and gas. Think of the military, of all the farms and farming equipment, airplanes, ships of all kinds, not to mention petroleum based products. Oil is here to stay, so the best thing to do is drill and frack and keep it cheap.

(By the way, trains are still the main choice for land based transportation of goods. Trucks are far more costly.)

Still the point I was making is that they were huge prior to around 1930 and have lost their premiere status.
They are not dead yet but

Things change over time

Still the US imports about 78% of U.S. gross petroleum imports in 2018, and non-crude oil petroleum accounted for about 22% of gross petroleum imports.

In 2018, the United States exported about 7.59 MMb/d of petroleum to 190 countries and 4 U.S. territories, of which about 26% was crude oil and 74% was non-crude oil petroleum.

US oil reserves are rated 10th on the list of Countries with Proven reserves

At 10 on the list, it is nothing compared to SA and Venzuela, even canada has more oil. Numbers are billion. Compared to Venezuela which has about 80 percent more Proven Oil reserves. If you were to add up all those above US proven reserves it would look pretty small.

1 Venezuela 300,878
2 Saudi Arabia 266,455
3 Canada 169,709
4 Iran 158,400
5 Iraq 142,503
6 Kuwait 101,500
7 United Arab Emirates 97,800
8 Russia 80,000
9 Libya 48,363
10 United States 39,230
11 Nigeria 37,062
12 Kazakhstan 30,000
13 China 25,620
14 Qatar 25,244
15 Brazil 12,999
16 Algeria 12,200
17 Angola 8,273
18 Ecuador 8,273
19 Mexico 7,640

Unless more oil is found it is not sustainable

Oil prices are affected by OPEC decisions

US can produce all the oil that they need but it is not sustainable

As Electric cars become better they will probably will take over eventually

Yes there is ethanol and who knows what else can be used.

Oil is a short term fix when compared with Father Time. Other countries can wait us out even as the US is currently the top producer but Venezuela and SA are laughing because they will be producing longer than the US can sustain this output.

Still for the Me Me's that is all that counts is what is happening now

are you saying that oil will be dried up? how?

the term economically recoverable oil is thrown around and some say that the oil is finite and estimates when will it end

we can argue when that will happen or if any new oil will be found but the below graph show new oil found over the years and it is declining drastically

At least with certainty we can say nobody knows how much the earth holds

We use Proven reserves because we know where this oil is and can reach it

but it has to be accessible for it to be usable. Looking at usage and proven reserves it does paint a grim picture for the future generation

Still we know that hydrocarbons are just dead animals and plants that are compressed in the earth crust and that it is non renewable. So it is finite.

We can argue when it will be depleted and how much is still there but obviously it is not sustainable for the long haul

you don't think the earth replenishes the oil? No one knows where it comes from, it isn't from dinosaur fossils as we were taught in school. That would indeed be finite. What we do know is wells that were once dry, are back producing. Another point, the earth is huge compared to what we've already drilled. the scare mongers will always exist. the fact is there are no facts. What we know right now is there is plenty for a very long time. scare monger somewhere else.

you don't think the earth replenishes the oil?

yeah it take million of years and very specific conditions

fossil fuel comes from animals and plants that died millions of years ago. Since the process still happens but we know large animals like dinosaurs no longer exists which was a major contributor to the current hydrocarbons abundance found in the earth

The process takes an extremely long time and the right conditions to form. Most of what we used today is from the process that began forming over 600 millions years ago.

Do the math it takes millions of years to form and in that same time you use up the oil faster than it can form. In that sense it is not sustainable

for example if you have a lake that took quite some time to form then man comes along and takes that water faster than it can be formed then the lake becomes dry

yeah eventually if man does not touch it then it might get reformed

They know exactly where oil comes from and how it is formed.

Superficial observations are not going to cut it. Still have to do the math.

It is a simple reason why people use conservation because without it things disappear due to mans activities

 

[Terri4Trump]

The whole environmental movement is nothing but creeping communism and totalitarianism.

That is exactly right. Between environmentalism and healthcare, together they allow government to control every tiny aspect of your life. And of course, todays Liberals are so stupid and ignorant that they don't even realize they are willingly handing their lives over to total government control. Stupid assholes.