Labour's Sadiq Khan elected mayor of London

How would you know? Have you lived in Europe? I have. I lived there recently for 4 years, and I spend at least 2 months every year there. There is no more worry about Sharia Law being instituted in Europe than it being instituted in the US. It's made up hysteria, nothing more.

As far as hatred of non-Muslims, all countries, historically and in the present, have problems and conflicts due to immigration: it has happened in the US since the inception of the country, and it has happened all over the world since the emergence of mankind.

All of you blather on and on about London and Europe as if you actually have a clue what it is like there, and you don't.

None of this stuff is new or anything to get hysterical about. Anyone with common sense and a vision that takes into account the human condition as well as history would understand that.
You claim to live there, rest assured that does not make you an expert by any means. Are you an attorney admitted to practice, a legislator, an educator in the areas of law or government where you claim to live? If not, what expertise do you bring to the discussion that actually qualifies you to hold your self out as the expert you claim to be.

For example, "A German court has ruled that Islamists who patrolled a city's streets as "Sharia police" did not break the law and will not be prosecuted.

Nine were arrested in September 2014 after patrolling streets in Wuppertal, western Germany. They wore bright orange jackets with the words "Sharia police". They told passers-by not to frequent discos, casinos or bars."
German court lets off 'Sharia police' patrol in Wuppertal - BBC News

Perhaps you would like to be accosted while going about your daily activities, I would not.

Another example, "Serving officers in terrorist hotspots including London and Birmingham said that forces are becoming increasingly nervy over the rising threat of Islamic State (ISIS) inspired attacks, with some telling staff not to wear their uniforms in their OWN patrol cars.

the police have to ask local Muslim leaders for PERMISSION before sending patrols into their communities."

‘Trump is right!’ Police say parts of Britain ARE no-go areas due to ISIS radicalisation

This is another instance of an ever growing problem.

Rather than call people names and try to beat them down with your poor choice of destructive and demeaning words perhaps you can actually discuss this issue.

This is pretty thin stuff Alex and nowhere near the reality of life in the UK.

What you have is some obscure story from Germany and an unsourced story in Britains most virulent anti immigrant newspaper.

The number of made up stories around Muslims is threatening to break the internet and is a deliberate attempt by Nazis to demonise them. They did the same thing to the Jews 70 years ago.
Those were mere examples, dispute them with sourced material.


He is disputing it with first hand experience and observation. You live in a different culture and country, thousands of miles away, and you get all your information from the media, much of which you do not know the value or validity. Get a grip.
From your source:

"The Salafists, who are all aged between 24 and 35, first made headlines in September 2014 after they patrolled the streets of Wuppertal, in Germany's western industrial Ruhr region, in an attempt to enforce a strict interpretation of Islam.

Wearing orange vests, emblazoned with the words "Shariah police," the defendants allegedly demanded people at nightclubs stop drinking alcohol and listening to music.

The bearded fundamentalists were also observed calling for an end to gambling as they carried notices, in English, declaring a "Sharia Controlled Zone."

NRW popular state for Salafists

At the time of the reports, German Chancellor Angela Merkel commented that no one had the right to do the police's work for them.

Wuppertal Police Chief Birgitta Rademacher said: "Intimidation or provocation won't be tolerated," adding that only police appointed and employed by the state had the legitimate right to act as police in Germany."

Thanks you have buttressed my argument.
Not my source. I provided no source except personal experience.
 
But you know they are bollox.
The Express is owned by the pornographer Richard Desmond. he despises "darkies" and prints a scare story every day.
This story is all un-named sources. Its bollox, a fill space exercise.Birmingham is supposed to have these no go areas and they dont. I have been working in Birmingham for over a decade and its a pretty chilled place.

The German story has more substance in that it got before a judge who decided that these kids did nothing wrong. When I was a child we used to go to Manchester to watch footie matches. There was always an old buffer outside the gates with a board which said "Repent,the end is nigh".
This is the same thing.
Not even close, just you blustery bollocks bandying about the boards.

I can only tell you what I see with my own eyes, not filtered through the ravings of a discredited rag. Of course there are some problems but most of it is bollox promoted by nazis.
Exactly with your eyes, I will not dispute that, nevertheless, that does not makes you an expert on the issue, in toto, just on your experience and your interpretation of the issue.
It makes him more of an expert than you.
 
You claim to live there, rest assured that does not make you an expert by any means. Are you an attorney admitted to practice, a legislator, an educator in the areas of law or government where you claim to live? If not, what expertise do you bring to the discussion that actually qualifies you to hold your self out as the expert you claim to be.

For example, "A German court has ruled that Islamists who patrolled a city's streets as "Sharia police" did not break the law and will not be prosecuted.

Nine were arrested in September 2014 after patrolling streets in Wuppertal, western Germany. They wore bright orange jackets with the words "Sharia police". They told passers-by not to frequent discos, casinos or bars."
German court lets off 'Sharia police' patrol in Wuppertal - BBC News

Perhaps you would like to be accosted while going about your daily activities, I would not.

Another example, "Serving officers in terrorist hotspots including London and Birmingham said that forces are becoming increasingly nervy over the rising threat of Islamic State (ISIS) inspired attacks, with some telling staff not to wear their uniforms in their OWN patrol cars.

the police have to ask local Muslim leaders for PERMISSION before sending patrols into their communities."

‘Trump is right!’ Police say parts of Britain ARE no-go areas due to ISIS radicalisation

This is another instance of an ever growing problem.

Rather than call people names and try to beat them down with your poor choice of destructive and demeaning words perhaps you can actually discuss this issue.

This is pretty thin stuff Alex and nowhere near the reality of life in the UK.

What you have is some obscure story from Germany and an unsourced story in Britains most virulent anti immigrant newspaper.

The number of made up stories around Muslims is threatening to break the internet and is a deliberate attempt by Nazis to demonise them. They did the same thing to the Jews 70 years ago.
Those were mere examples, dispute them with sourced material.


He is disputing it with first hand experience and observation. You live in a different culture and country, thousands of miles away, and you get all your information from the media, much of which you do not know the value or validity. Get a grip.
From your source:

"The Salafists, who are all aged between 24 and 35, first made headlines in September 2014 after they patrolled the streets of Wuppertal, in Germany's western industrial Ruhr region, in an attempt to enforce a strict interpretation of Islam.

Wearing orange vests, emblazoned with the words "Shariah police," the defendants allegedly demanded people at nightclubs stop drinking alcohol and listening to music.

The bearded fundamentalists were also observed calling for an end to gambling as they carried notices, in English, declaring a "Sharia Controlled Zone."

NRW popular state for Salafists

At the time of the reports, German Chancellor Angela Merkel commented that no one had the right to do the police's work for them.

Wuppertal Police Chief Birgitta Rademacher said: "Intimidation or provocation won't be tolerated," adding that only police appointed and employed by the state had the legitimate right to act as police in Germany."

Thanks you have buttressed my argument.
Not my source. I provided no source except personal experience.
That was a typo, I know you have offered nothing but contempt, anger and vile, destructive language for those that oppose your views. my apologies for elevating you to a worthy poster who has posted source materials and a factual, cohesive argument.
 
My stories not some random material I have not cited.
But you know they are bollox.
The Express is owned by the pornographer Richard Desmond. he despises "darkies" and prints a scare story every day.
This story is all un-named sources. Its bollox, a fill space exercise.Birmingham is supposed to have these no go areas and they dont. I have been working in Birmingham for over a decade and its a pretty chilled place.

The German story has more substance in that it got before a judge who decided that these kids did nothing wrong. When I was a child we used to go to Manchester to watch footie matches. There was always an old buffer outside the gates with a board which said "Repent,the end is nigh".
This is the same thing.
Not even close, just you blustery bollocks bandying about the boards.

I can only tell you what I see with my own eyes, not filtered through the ravings of a discredited rag. Of course there are some problems but most of it is bollox promoted by nazis.
Exactly with your eyes, I will not dispute that, nevertheless, that does not makes you an expert on the issue, in toto, just on your experience and your interpretation of the issue.
It makes him more of an expert than you.
In your mind.
 
But you know they are bollox.
The Express is owned by the pornographer Richard Desmond. he despises "darkies" and prints a scare story every day.
This story is all un-named sources. Its bollox, a fill space exercise.Birmingham is supposed to have these no go areas and they dont. I have been working in Birmingham for over a decade and its a pretty chilled place.

The German story has more substance in that it got before a judge who decided that these kids did nothing wrong. When I was a child we used to go to Manchester to watch footie matches. There was always an old buffer outside the gates with a board which said "Repent,the end is nigh".
This is the same thing.
Not even close, just you blustery bollocks bandying about the boards.

I can only tell you what I see with my own eyes, not filtered through the ravings of a discredited rag. Of course there are some problems but most of it is bollox promoted by nazis.
Exactly with your eyes, I will not dispute that, nevertheless, that does not makes you an expert on the issue, in toto, just on your experience and your interpretation of the issue.

Well one of your discredited reports referenced Birmingham which I have a decent knowledge of. I worked there for several years and employed a lot of people. Its a great city. I also have had business in the Alum Rock area where I have been well treated by the locals. There are no "no go" zones in Brum.

Fox News man is 'idiot' for Birmingham Muslim comments – David Cameron

Ofcom criticises Fox News for calling Birmingham no-go zone for non-Muslims

Fox News apologizes for expert calling Birmingham ‘totally Muslim no-go zone’
 
From your source:

"The Salafists, who are all aged between 24 and 35, first made headlines in September 2014 after they patrolled the streets of Wuppertal, in Germany's western industrial Ruhr region, in an attempt to enforce a strict interpretation of Islam.

Wearing orange vests, emblazoned with the words "Shariah police," the defendants allegedly demanded people at nightclubs stop drinking alcohol and listening to music.

The bearded fundamentalists were also observed calling for an end to gambling as they carried notices, in English, declaring a "Sharia Controlled Zone."

NRW popular state for Salafists

At the time of the reports, German Chancellor Angela Merkel commented that no one had the right to do the police's work for them.

Wuppertal Police Chief Birgitta Rademacher said: "Intimidation or provocation won't be tolerated," adding that only police appointed and employed by the state had the legitimate right to act as police in Germany."

Thanks you have buttressed my argument.

I think that's from my source, but I don't see how it "butresses your argument". The German authorities quite rightly took action against a small group of extremist nut-jobs, just like the U.S. authorities took action against a similar lunatic group in Oregon recently when local authorities had appeared to cave in to them.
Yes it from your source. I am establishing that there is an issue to be discussed. What you have done is fortify my position with your article as opposed to the argument this is a fallacy.

While not necessarily a fallacy, you do run the risk of blowing things out of proportion. In the case of the UK there are more Jewish and Catholic religious courts than there are Sharia ones and these have been operating for centuries. There's a 1966 UK Act of Parliament that allows religious courts to arbitrate civil matters within their local communities but nothing they can do or order can run counter to the prevailing law of the land as determined by Parliament. The population of Muslims in the UK is around 5% of the total population, what's the issue?
 
My stories not some random material I have not cited.
But you know they are bollox.
The Express is owned by the pornographer Richard Desmond. he despises "darkies" and prints a scare story every day.
This story is all un-named sources. Its bollox, a fill space exercise.Birmingham is supposed to have these no go areas and they dont. I have been working in Birmingham for over a decade and its a pretty chilled place.

The German story has more substance in that it got before a judge who decided that these kids did nothing wrong. When I was a child we used to go to Manchester to watch footie matches. There was always an old buffer outside the gates with a board which said "Repent,the end is nigh".
This is the same thing.
Not even close, just you blustery bollocks bandying about the boards.

I can only tell you what I see with my own eyes, not filtered through the ravings of a discredited rag. Of course there are some problems but most of it is bollox promoted by nazis.
Exactly with your eyes, I will not dispute that, nevertheless, that does not makes you an expert on the issue, in toto, just on your experience and your interpretation of the issue.

Well one of your discredited reports referenced Birmingham which I have a decent knowledge of. I worked there for several years and employed a lot of people. Its a great city. I also have had business in the Alum Rock area where I have been well treated by the locals. There are no "no go" zones in Brum.

Fox News man is 'idiot' for Birmingham Muslim comments – David Cameron

Ofcom criticises Fox News for calling Birmingham no-go zone for non-Muslims

Fox News apologizes for expert calling Birmingham ‘totally Muslim no-go zone’
Not on point at all with my assertion, "One serving officer in west London said: “Islamification has and is occurring. You have to have extra vigilance in certain parts when you are working. Lancashire police said that officers have to “contact local community leaders to get their permission” before they are allowed to patrol in Muslim areas of Preston. And a policeman posted in Yorkshire said police top brass were so afraid of potential terrorist attacks he had been ordered not to wear police uniform in his own patrol car."

Yours has to do with some person making a sweeping statement, " guest asserted that the city of Birmingham, England, is totally Muslim"


Not even in the same universe.:slap:
 
From your source:

"The Salafists, who are all aged between 24 and 35, first made headlines in September 2014 after they patrolled the streets of Wuppertal, in Germany's western industrial Ruhr region, in an attempt to enforce a strict interpretation of Islam.

Wearing orange vests, emblazoned with the words "Shariah police," the defendants allegedly demanded people at nightclubs stop drinking alcohol and listening to music.

The bearded fundamentalists were also observed calling for an end to gambling as they carried notices, in English, declaring a "Sharia Controlled Zone."

NRW popular state for Salafists

At the time of the reports, German Chancellor Angela Merkel commented that no one had the right to do the police's work for them.

Wuppertal Police Chief Birgitta Rademacher said: "Intimidation or provocation won't be tolerated," adding that only police appointed and employed by the state had the legitimate right to act as police in Germany."

Thanks you have buttressed my argument.

I think that's from my source, but I don't see how it "butresses your argument". The German authorities quite rightly took action against a small group of extremist nut-jobs, just like the U.S. authorities took action against a similar lunatic group in Oregon recently when local authorities had appeared to cave in to them.
Yes it from your source. I am establishing that there is an issue to be discussed. What you have done is fortify my position with your article as opposed to the argument this is a fallacy.

While not necessarily a fallacy, you do run the risk of blowing things out of proportion. In the case of the UK there are more Jewish and Catholic religious courts than there are Sharia ones and these have been operating for centuries. There's a 1966 UK Act of Parliament that allows religious courts to arbitrate civil matters within their local communities but nothing they can do or order can run counter to the prevailing law of the land as determined by Parliament. The population of Muslims in the UK is around 5% of the total population, what's the issue?
The issue has been clearly set forth throughout this thread by both proponents and opponents in their posts which are too voluminous to set forth in this post.
 
Not on pint at all with ,my assertion, "One serving officer in west London said: “Islamification has and is occurring. You have to have extra vigilance in certain parts when you are working. Lancashire police said that officers have to “contact local community leaders to get their permission” before they are allowed to patrol in Muslim areas of Preston. And a policeman posted in Yorkshire said police top brass were so afraid of potential terrorist attacks he had been ordered not to wear police uniform in his own patrol car."

Hang on, these are all assertions from individuals, which is what you dismissed earlier. If the Police Federation came out with similar assertions, that would be noteworthy, but individual police officers can and do have the same biases and prejudices that ordinary citizens have.
 
But you know they are bollox.
The Express is owned by the pornographer Richard Desmond. he despises "darkies" and prints a scare story every day.
This story is all un-named sources. Its bollox, a fill space exercise.Birmingham is supposed to have these no go areas and they dont. I have been working in Birmingham for over a decade and its a pretty chilled place.

The German story has more substance in that it got before a judge who decided that these kids did nothing wrong. When I was a child we used to go to Manchester to watch footie matches. There was always an old buffer outside the gates with a board which said "Repent,the end is nigh".
This is the same thing.
Not even close, just you blustery bollocks bandying about the boards.

I can only tell you what I see with my own eyes, not filtered through the ravings of a discredited rag. Of course there are some problems but most of it is bollox promoted by nazis.
Exactly with your eyes, I will not dispute that, nevertheless, that does not makes you an expert on the issue, in toto, just on your experience and your interpretation of the issue.

Well one of your discredited reports referenced Birmingham which I have a decent knowledge of. I worked there for several years and employed a lot of people. Its a great city. I also have had business in the Alum Rock area where I have been well treated by the locals. There are no "no go" zones in Brum.

Fox News man is 'idiot' for Birmingham Muslim comments – David Cameron

Ofcom criticises Fox News for calling Birmingham no-go zone for non-Muslims

Fox News apologizes for expert calling Birmingham ‘totally Muslim no-go zone’
Not on pint at all with ,my assertion, "One serving officer in west London said: “Islamification has and is occurring. You have to have extra vigilance in certain parts when you are working. Lancashire police said that officers have to “contact local community leaders to get their permission” before they are allowed to patrol in Muslim areas of Preston. And a policeman posted in Yorkshire said police top brass were so afraid of potential terrorist attacks he had been ordered not to wear police uniform in his own patrol car."

Yours has to do with some person making a sweeping statement, " guest asserted that the city of Birmingham, England, is totally Muslim"


Not even in the same universe.:slap:
Well your link says this.

Serving officers in terrorist hotspots including London and Birmingham said that forces are becoming increasingly nervy over the rising threat of Islamic State (ISIS) inspired attacks,

I am telling you it is crap and all you have is anonymous sources in a discredited rag.

Incidentally take a closer look at Preston.

Claims of Muslim ‘no go’ areas in Preston ‘absolute tosh’ say police - Wigan Today

This is how they deal with Nazis.
Muslims hand out food and roses during EDL anti-Islam march in Preston

And this is how they make Britain a better place.
Mosques launches appeal to help Cumbria flood victims

Your "NO GO" is not a goer mate.
 
Yep. We're watching it all unfold in real time.
.

.....with all the little brainwashed leftist gits actually thinking it is a good thing.

Stupid fuckers are feeding the crocodile hoping it eats them last, but I do believe the crocodile has other designs.
 
Not even close, just you blustery bollocks bandying about the boards.

I can only tell you what I see with my own eyes, not filtered through the ravings of a discredited rag. Of course there are some problems but most of it is bollox promoted by nazis.
Exactly with your eyes, I will not dispute that, nevertheless, that does not makes you an expert on the issue, in toto, just on your experience and your interpretation of the issue.

Well one of your discredited reports referenced Birmingham which I have a decent knowledge of. I worked there for several years and employed a lot of people. Its a great city. I also have had business in the Alum Rock area where I have been well treated by the locals. There are no "no go" zones in Brum.

Fox News man is 'idiot' for Birmingham Muslim comments – David Cameron

Ofcom criticises Fox News for calling Birmingham no-go zone for non-Muslims

Fox News apologizes for expert calling Birmingham ‘totally Muslim no-go zone’
Not on pint at all with ,my assertion, "One serving officer in west London said: “Islamification has and is occurring. You have to have extra vigilance in certain parts when you are working. Lancashire police said that officers have to “contact local community leaders to get their permission” before they are allowed to patrol in Muslim areas of Preston. And a policeman posted in Yorkshire said police top brass were so afraid of potential terrorist attacks he had been ordered not to wear police uniform in his own patrol car."

Yours has to do with some person making a sweeping statement, " guest asserted that the city of Birmingham, England, is totally Muslim"


Not even in the same universe.:slap:
Well your link says this.

Serving officers in terrorist hotspots including London and Birmingham said that forces are becoming increasingly nervy over the rising threat of Islamic State (ISIS) inspired attacks,

I am telling you it is crap and all you have is anonymous sources in a discredited rag.

Incidentally take a closer look at Preston.

Claims of Muslim ‘no go’ areas in Preston ‘absolute tosh’ say police - Wigan Today

This is how they deal with Nazis.
Muslims hand out food and roses during EDL anti-Islam march in Preston

And this is how they make Britain a better place.
Mosques launches appeal to help Cumbria flood victims

Your "NO GO" is not a goer mate.
no
 
Not on pint at all with ,my assertion, "One serving officer in west London said: “Islamification has and is occurring. You have to have extra vigilance in certain parts when you are working. Lancashire police said that officers have to “contact local community leaders to get their permission” before they are allowed to patrol in Muslim areas of Preston. And a policeman posted in Yorkshire said police top brass were so afraid of potential terrorist attacks he had been ordered not to wear police uniform in his own patrol car."

Hang on, these are all assertions from individuals, which is what you dismissed earlier. If the Police Federation came out with similar assertions, that would be noteworthy, but individual police officers can and do have the same biases and prejudices that ordinary citizens have.
Prove it.
 
Well it seems with 94.7% of the votes counted I think Mr Khan is likely to replace Boris with a 9% lead over Zac Goldsmith

"...with London having a 13% muslim population, and a disproportionate number of them below voting age, if he gets 40%, then he must have a majority of non-Muslims among his supporters, which might surprise some international observers.”

Even if it comes across as quite self-satisfied, cosmopolitan London will be reflecting on this result that London is capable of putting race, religion and identity to one side. This is concrete evidence of that.

Of Goldsmith’s campaign which was widely seen as “dog-whistling” about Khan’s religion, he said:

For every one vote it gained it probably lost one or two. The Conservatives will have to have a post-mortem. They would have been better hacking away at Jeremy Corbyn day and night as a strategy."--Prof Tony Travers

UK elections: Sadiq Khan ahead in London mayoral race - live updates
 
Not on pint at all with ,my assertion, "One serving officer in west London said: “Islamification has and is occurring. You have to have extra vigilance in certain parts when you are working. Lancashire police said that officers have to “contact local community leaders to get their permission” before they are allowed to patrol in Muslim areas of Preston. And a policeman posted in Yorkshire said police top brass were so afraid of potential terrorist attacks he had been ordered not to wear police uniform in his own patrol car."

Hang on, these are all assertions from individuals, which is what you dismissed earlier. If the Police Federation came out with similar assertions, that would be noteworthy, but individual police officers can and do have the same biases and prejudices that ordinary citizens have.
Prove it.

They're human beings.
 
Yep. We're watching it all unfold in real time.
.

.....with all the little brainwashed leftist gits actually thinking it is a good thing.

Stupid fuckers are feeding the crocodile hoping it eats them last, but I do believe the crocodile has other designs.

Its getting worse.

Bake Off's Nadiya Hussain to host travel cookery show

Sneaky bitch is using her "baking skills" to normalise and shape peoples views of Muslims. They might be seen as normal before long.
 
Yep. We're watching it all unfold in real time.
.

.....with all the little brainwashed leftist gits actually thinking it is a good thing.

Stupid fuckers are feeding the crocodile hoping it eats them last, but I do believe the crocodile has other designs.

Its getting worse.

Bake Off's Nadiya Hussain to host travel cookery show

Sneaky bitch is using her "baking skills" to normalise and shape peoples views of Muslims. They might be seen as normal before long.

"The Chronicles of Nadiya" top title!:D
 
Yep. We're watching it all unfold in real time.
.

.....with all the little brainwashed leftist gits actually thinking it is a good thing.

Stupid fuckers are feeding the crocodile hoping it eats them last, but I do believe the crocodile has other designs.

Its getting worse.

Bake Off's Nadiya Hussain to host travel cookery show

Sneaky bitch is using her "baking skills" to normalise and shape peoples views of Muslims. They might be seen as normal before long.


You know, Tommy Taint, when I mentioned little brainwashed leftist gits, I really didn't intend it as a role call.

We already knew.
 
Yep. We're watching it all unfold in real time.
.

.....with all the little brainwashed leftist gits actually thinking it is a good thing.

Stupid fuckers are feeding the crocodile hoping it eats them last, but I do believe the crocodile has other designs.

Its getting worse.

Bake Off's Nadiya Hussain to host travel cookery show

Sneaky bitch is using her "baking skills" to normalise and shape peoples views of Muslims. They might be seen as normal before long.

"The Chronicles of Nadiya" top title!:D
I hope that she asked her husbands permission before signing the contract.
 

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