Las Vegas shooting: Reports of shooter at Mandalay Bay Casino

[Hutch Starskey]

There is a legal market for firearms trade in the USA because of the law there.

Yes. And thank God we haven't given up our rights to defend ourselves.

Fifty-eight Americans and 515 injured were not protected by the murderer in Las Vegas last night.

Indeed they weren't. The Clark County sheriff is virulently anti gun so the concert was in a "gun free" zone. So, yet again, the victims were placed into a shooting bowl and prevented the means to defend themselves.

Dude, the shooter was at least 200m away on the 32nd floor. Well out of range for even the police on the ground. Do you really want 100 people shooting willy nilly at the hotel from the ground? What about the other guests in the hotel?

You should really think before you post.

Do you think every gun user is going to turn and open fire on a building?

If you do not have a clear shot you do not fire.

I swear to god you should think before posting because your ignorance is showing!

What does "defend themselves" mean then?
Who are the designated defenders?
No one should return fire.

 

[Marion Morrison]

[QU


Sounds like all my favorite gun manufacturers minus Marlin.

Sturm, Ruger & Co: Makers of the Sturm-Gewehr-44

Nah, I want a 795, not a 10/22.

The 795 is a fine little semi auto .22. My son has one. I have a tricked out 10-22. Pretty accurate with good ammo and never had a problem with reliability.

I like your son's gun better. Moar accurate.

Same kind of rifling as my old model 60. I could set shotgun shells off with it.

Nail a couple of finishing nails into a sapling, set shotgun shell on, get back a little ways, and BOOM!

 

[westwall]

Yes. And thank God we haven't given up our rights to defend ourselves.

Fifty-eight Americans and 515 injured were not protected by the murderer in Las Vegas last night.

Indeed they weren't. The Clark County sheriff is virulently anti gun so the concert was in a "gun free" zone. So, yet again, the victims were placed into a shooting bowl and prevented the means to defend themselves.

Dude, the shooter was at least 200m away on the 32nd floor. Well out of range for even the police on the ground. Do you really want 100 people shooting willy nilly at the hotel from the ground? What about the other guests in the hotel?

You should really think before you post.

Dude. I, and most of my friends, regularly shoot our handguns out to 400 yards. ACCURATELY. The police don't shoot nearly as much as the prior military do. You should have a passing knowledge of what you're bleating about before you post. You are ignorant of the facts, and ignorant of guns in general.

You've shown your ignorance quite clearly.
There is no circumstance where you or anyone else should return fire at a building full of thousands of people. The fact that you would even suggest it shows you to be exactly the kind of person who should not have firearms.

Sure thing silly boy. The facts are that had a few people returned fire there would be many more alive. I'm not saying any tome dick or harry do it. I am saying that those who are capable could, and should have. But your precious little gun free zone prevented even that.

 

[westwall]

Yes. And thank God we haven't given up our rights to defend ourselves.

Fifty-eight Americans and 515 injured were not protected by the murderer in Las Vegas last night.

Indeed they weren't. The Clark County sheriff is virulently anti gun so the concert was in a "gun free" zone. So, yet again, the victims were placed into a shooting bowl and prevented the means to defend themselves.

Dude, the shooter was at least 200m away on the 32nd floor. Well out of range for even the police on the ground. Do you really want 100 people shooting willy nilly at the hotel from the ground? What about the other guests in the hotel?

You should really think before you post.

Do you think every gun user is going to turn and open fire on a building?

If you do not have a clear shot you do not fire.

I swear to god you should think before posting because your ignorance is showing!

What does "defend themselves" mean then?
Who are the designated defenders?
No one should return fire.

Wrong. If you have a good target, and are capable of returning fire accurately, and under control, then yes, a return of fire is totally appropriate.

 

[Flash]

Your reading comprehension is sorely lacking, bub.

OMG you dopes can't even string two consecutive sentences together with any degree of competence.

You wouldn't recognize a well constructed sentence even if it slapped you on the ass and called you Judy.

Judy? LOL. But Hutch is literate. That's foolish.

Looks like Paddock could be a pink pussy hat wearing anti Trump asshole

Nahh, Pink hat-wearer's nose is too wide. Facial structure is same, nose is too wide.

Ol' Flash is full of shit today. Never did give me a link on his claim that ANTIFA was taking responsibility.

You are confused Moon Bat.

I posted the message from the Melbourne ANTIFA. You didn't pay attention. We know the asshole lived in Florida so that establishes some degree of credibility. I don't know if it is true or the reports from ISIS are true. We will find out soon. If he is a Left Wing asshole like that hateful Negro that shot up the church last week or the anti Trump piece of shit that shot up the Congressmen then expect it to be covered up by the Liberal media.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

A gun can't destroy a multi-story federal building. Can It?

This guy chose guns. It was very effective.

And McVeigh choice was a truck built into a bomb... McVeigh killed more but let ban guns and did you know fully automatic weapons are hard as hell to obtain?

Bet you did not know That!

So if he bought it legally then there is a permit by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT and records and if obtained illegally it will still be traced!

Notice fully automatic is what they are claiming, so know the fucking difference and know that is not common like semi-automatic firearms!

The guy is dead. Whether his weapon was legal or illegal makes no difference at this point. It was very effective.

It does make a difference if it was legally obtain or not, well to the law abiding citizen it does.

Funny to you it matter not because if it were obtained illegally then it kill a your wish for more gun control because criminals do not obey the fucking law!

Now if it were obtained legally then the seller need to show documentation that the buyer was legal to buy a fully automatic weapon!

I bet you still have no damn clue how hard it is to obtain one!

Also if modified that has to be known because then it bring into question who taught him?

Finally, the one question that has been ask is how did he get those firearms in the Hotel?

Of course you do not care because you want firearms banned!

It only matters insofar as an investigation may lead to some illegal weapon modifiers.
The reality is that if weapons like ak or ar weren't available, they couldn't be modified in this way.

I don't in any way wish to ban all weapons. The type used in this and many other cases have no purpose in the civilian world.

The reality is that if weapons like ak or ar weren't available, they couldn't be modified in this way.

No,

they would be made, and sold, on the black market.

After Orlando, the Homemade AR-15 Industry Surges

Which means of course that simply possessing them would be illegal.

 

[SSGT Bags]

Indeed there is. And, amazingly enough there isn't a legal machinegun trade in France and yet the terrorists who killed all of those poor Parisians had no trouble obtaining them. Hmm. It seems that gun laws don't prevent bad people from getting them. How is that possible?

They have the NRA to make sure they get and keep their guns

Most gun owners are not members of the nra. Furthermore the nra doesn't exist in France. So, yet again, how did the Paris attackers get their illegal machineguns?

The NRA is a lobby group for the gun manufacturers.

No it isn't. it is a lobby for the gun owners of the USA. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere.

Please stop your vulgarity if you want to avoid being reported.
The NRA used to be for gun owners but they changed their rules and now accept large donations from gun manufacturers. They also pay for promoting politicians who are willing to be in their pocket. That makes them a gun lobby group for the manufacturers.

Is this your misguided opinion or a fact?
If it is your opinion, state that.
If it is a FACT - show me a cite, otherwise shut up.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Fifty-eight Americans and 515 injured were not protected by the murderer in Las Vegas last night.

Indeed they weren't. The Clark County sheriff is virulently anti gun so the concert was in a "gun free" zone. So, yet again, the victims were placed into a shooting bowl and prevented the means to defend themselves.

Dude, the shooter was at least 200m away on the 32nd floor. Well out of range for even the police on the ground. Do you really want 100 people shooting willy nilly at the hotel from the ground? What about the other guests in the hotel?

You should really think before you post.

Do you think every gun user is going to turn and open fire on a building?

If you do not have a clear shot you do not fire.

I swear to god you should think before posting because your ignorance is showing!

What does "defend themselves" mean then?
Who are the designated defenders?
No one should return fire.

Wrong. If you have a good target, and are capable of returning fire accurately, and under control, then yes, a return of fire is totally appropriate.

Your lack of judgement is exactly why you shouldn't carry weapons.

 

[westwall]

Indeed they weren't. The Clark County sheriff is virulently anti gun so the concert was in a "gun free" zone. So, yet again, the victims were placed into a shooting bowl and prevented the means to defend themselves.

Dude, the shooter was at least 200m away on the 32nd floor. Well out of range for even the police on the ground. Do you really want 100 people shooting willy nilly at the hotel from the ground? What about the other guests in the hotel?

You should really think before you post.

Do you think every gun user is going to turn and open fire on a building?

If you do not have a clear shot you do not fire.

I swear to god you should think before posting because your ignorance is showing!

What does "defend themselves" mean then?
Who are the designated defenders?
No one should return fire.

Wrong. If you have a good target, and are capable of returning fire accurately, and under control, then yes, a return of fire is totally appropriate.

Your lack of judgement is exactly why you shouldn't carry weapons.

I've been carrying weapons for longer than you've been alive so clearly you're wrong. I am just a hell of a good shot, and associate with like people. Your entire gun experience comes from TV which is pathetic.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Repeal?
You said that, dope.

Well most on the left in this thread. So read the thread you fucking retard or don't and deny it like you deny that trucks are as dangerous as a gun!

You were responding to me, dope. I said nothing of repeal.

You support it though.

If you were against the idea of repealing the second amendment you would have said it.

So there fucktard!

You support it though.

I don't.
Stop telling me what I think, dick.

You want to ban certain firearms and when terrorists use other types of firearms you will call for their bannings, so just admit the fact you want the second amendment repealed and allow the criminals the right to terrorize society.

Admit you're a moron.
Forget it. You've already shown everyone.

 

[Wyatt earp]

A former Florida neighbor said Paddock described himself as a professional gambler and was “very trusting,” the Palm Beach Post reported.

The Paddock family reportedly has a notorious history. The Paddocks’ father was a bank robber who made the FBI’s Most Wanted List, NBC News noted.

Police Identify Lone Las Vegas Shooter As Stephen Paddock | HuffPost

Being Vegas, I was wondering if gambling debts might have pushed him over the edge. But it would have taken more than that to put that much fire in his belly.

But you would think he could of sold all his guns and ammo ..

 

[Eloy]

They have the NRA to make sure they get and keep their guns

Most gun owners are not members of the nra. Furthermore the nra doesn't exist in France. So, yet again, how did the Paris attackers get their illegal machineguns?

The NRA is a lobby group for the gun manufacturers.

No it isn't. it is a lobby for the gun owners of the USA. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere.

Please stop your vulgarity if you want to avoid being reported.
The NRA used to be for gun owners but they changed their rules and now accept large donations from gun manufacturers. They also pay for promoting politicians who are willing to be in their pocket. That makes them a gun lobby group for the manufacturers.

Is this your misguided opinion or a fact?
If it is your opinion, state that.
If it is a FACT - show me a cite, otherwise shut up.

There is no need of rudeness.
If you want a link you had only to follow the thread and see it in my Post # 970.

 

[Skull Pilot]

[Q

The fact that this monster had access to automatic weapons and all the ammo he needed is not worth doing anything about...is it?

He used the weapons in an illegal manner. If they were NFA full auto weapons then he would be the first person to ever use the weapons in an illegal manner. If they weren't NFA and modified then he committed a crime by having automatic weapons.

Why should a law abiding citizen, protected by the Second Amendment, have their rights taken away because somebody else does something illegal? Because once you start restricting firearms or restricting access to firearms then that is what you are doing and that is wrong.

There is no Constitutional right to bear military weapons

NONE

There is no need to be able to slaughter many with rapid fire big magazines that can be quickly exchanged.

Civilians can't buy military weapons without a hard to get federal permit so what's your problem?

 

[mudwhistle]

Lots of people care. It goes toward profiling. And we both have a pretty good idea what side of the aisle he comes from. If you don’t... stay tuned.

You mean like Tim McVeigh? That side of the aisle? Yeah, probably.

McVeigh was an anti-government libertarian. He wasn't much different from a communist.

 

[MarkDuffy]

Nevada has some of America’s loosest gun control laws

Well, when it comes to gun laws, Nevada has some of the weakest controls in America — and yet none of that mattered when a bad guy with a gun decided to commit mass murder.

Nevada state law does not require residents to obtain a purchasing permit, register or license for either handguns or rifles and shotguns, according to the National Rifle Association's website. The NRA website also says that you don't need a permit in order to carry rifles and shotguns, although one is required in order to carry a handgun. Nevada also does not impose a mandatory waiting period before allowing residents to purchase a firearm, and the BBC reports that there is no magazine capacity limit for assault rifles.

In giving Nevada a "C-" on its gun laws, The Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence's scorecard found that in order to make its state safer, Nevada would need to repeal its "stand-your-ground" law, impose a waiting period on gun purchases, enact a gun violence protective order law, allow local governments to pass gun laws and regulate unsafe handguns.

If initial social media reports are correct that the alleged shooter, Steven Paddock, used a high-caliber automatic weapon for the mass shooting, that would draw attention to the 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban, which had made such weapons contraband but was allowed to expire in 2004. Those automatic assault weapons have remained legal ever since, despite efforts to renew the ban against them after the Newtown, Connecticut elementary school shooting in 2012.

Nevada has some of America's loosest gun control laws

The cons blame the gun free concert

 

[irosie91]

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at least one per week for the period of time-----I was so
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[westwall]

Nevada has some of America’s loosest gun control laws

Well, when it comes to gun laws, Nevada has some of the weakest controls in America — and yet none of that mattered when a bad guy with a gun decided to commit mass murder.

Nevada state law does not require residents to obtain a purchasing permit, register or license for either handguns or rifles and shotguns, according to the National Rifle Association's website. The NRA website also says that you don't need a permit in order to carry rifles and shotguns, although one is required in order to carry a handgun. Nevada also does not impose a mandatory waiting period before allowing residents to purchase a firearm, and the BBC reports that there is no magazine capacity limit for assault rifles.

In giving Nevada a "C-" on its gun laws, The Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence's scorecard found that in order to make its state safer, Nevada would need to repeal its "stand-your-ground" law, impose a waiting period on gun purchases, enact a gun violence protective order law, allow local governments to pass gun laws and regulate unsafe handguns.

If initial social media reports are correct that the alleged shooter, Steven Paddock, used a high-caliber automatic weapon for the mass shooting, that would draw attention to the 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban, which had made such weapons contraband but was allowed to expire in 2004. Those automatic assault weapons have remained legal ever since, despite efforts to renew the ban against them after the Newtown, Connecticut elementary school shooting in 2012.

Nevada has some of America's loosest gun control laws

The cons blame the gun free concert

How did having the exact laws you want to enact here in Nevada help the Parisians who were murdered? Same laws you want. How is it possible they didn't prevent the crime?

 

[Mac1958]

I'm still trying to get my head around the sheer numbers involved here.

500+ people. Incredible.

 

[koshergrl]

Indeed there is. And, amazingly enough there isn't a legal machinegun trade in France and yet the terrorists who killed all of those poor Parisians had no trouble obtaining them. Hmm. It seems that gun laws don't prevent bad people from getting them. How is that possible?

Because guns don't kill people - Bad People kill other people.

Bad people with guns kill a lot of people. Very efficiently.

So do terrorists with trucks and so do drunks with automobiles.

Which of course has nothing at all to do with what happened last night.

Still guns are just the tool of the terrorist at the time, so what will you propose to do when another McVeigh blows something up with a truck bomb?

Let me guess wish it had been a gun instead...

I'd shoot him.

Defeat The Left on Twitter

 

[westwall]

Because guns don't kill people - Bad People kill other people.

Bad people with guns kill a lot of people. Very efficiently.

So do terrorists with trucks and so do drunks with automobiles.

Which of course has nothing at all to do with what happened last night.

Still guns are just the tool of the terrorist at the time, so what will you propose to do when another McVeigh blows something up with a truck bomb?

Let me guess wish it had been a gun instead...

I'd shoot him.

When the shooting was first reported my thoughts were Islamic Terrorist, Antifa, or anti trump. In that order. Turns out he's one of them, and possibly all three.