Lefties are besides themselves with the desire to condemn AMERICANS for the actions of Muslims

[Norman]

This video demonstrates the insane level of hypocrisy conducted by the left best:

 

[BlindBoo]

Okay, so leave the Christians alone, unchallenged, i.e., the Christians who express satisfaction that 50 likely gays were killed.

I would guess the amount of christian preachers praising the attack pales in comparison to the number of muslim imams praising the attack...wouldn't you agree? Of course you wouldn't, because you're a defender of all things islam. I know people like you stick your noses in air claiming moral superiority, but the truth is you and the people on your side are on the side of evil, oppresion, and injustice. Go fuck yourself.

Could you point out where NYCARBINEER has supported all things Islam...? Or did you just make that up?

Yes i could. I specifically recall him saying numerous times that American foriegn pollicy, that he disagrees with, is the reason behind all this hatered from the islamic world. He said 911 because we deployed troops in mecca. He knows he hates america.

Sounds to me like he disagrees with our policy of intervention in the ME and is of the opinion that the policy is the reason for the violent hatred we see towards us from the Islamic world. Not that he agrees with or approves of the violence.

So you agree with him that the root cause of their hatred is not their warped, sick ideology, but it is our foriegn pollicy. That is where both of you are sadly wrong, and it disgusts me and others that are on the side of good.

I do believe it is the root cause of their hatred towards the USA since WWII. I don't believe they hate us for our freedom or way of life.

"As the United States finds itself in the aftermath of another crisis in the Middle East, it is worth the risk of opprobrium to ask why there should be hostility toward America in that region. Some insight can be gained by surveying official U.S. conduct in the Middle East since the end of World War II. Acknowledged herein is a fundamental, yet deplorably overlooked, distinction between understanding and excusing. The purpose of this survey is not to pardon acts of violence against innocent people but to understand the reasons that drive people to violent political acts.[2] The stubborn and often self-serving notion that the historical record is irrelevant because political violence is inexcusable ensures that Americans will be caught in crises in the Middle East and elsewhere for many years to come."

http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa159.pdf

"In the aftermath of the most overt and direct U.S. attempt to manage affairs in the Middle East, the Persian Gulf War, it is more important than ever to understand how the United States came to be involved in the region and the disastrous consequences of that involvement. President Bush’s willingness to sacrifice American lives to remove Iraqi forces from Kuwait, to restore the “legitimate” government of that feudal monarchy, and to create a “new world order” proceeds logically from the premises and policies of past administrations. Indeed, there is little new in Bush’s new world order, except the Soviet Union’s assistance. That may mean the new order will be far more dangerous than the old, because it will feature an activist U.S. foreign policy without the inhibitions that were formerly imposed by the superpower rivalry. That bodes ill for the people of the Middle East, as well as for the long-suffering American citizens, who will see their taxes continue to rise, their consumer economy increasingly distorted by military spending, and their blood spilled—all in the name of U.S. leadership."

 

[BlindBoo]

Just like I said, American Christian Pastors sad more gays weren't killed in Pulse attack

I have not seen one thread by a leftie placing the blame where it belongs but I've seen plenty like this.

What the man said was no doubt pie in the sky bullshit but in no way relevant to the actions that Muslims take when they seek to & in fact kill Americans.

And you people wonder why you're deemed a danger to our nation's security.

You do realize that the boogeyman of the leftist ideology (who in reality created pretty much all of civilization) is the white heterosexual male.

If any other group does something bad, the primary fault still lies with the white heterosexual male.

OMG, I'm the enemy?

 

[BlindBoo]

the murderer was an american

The "MUSLIM TERRORIST" was only one in a long line of a liberally protected class.

Nope. Murderers are not a protected class.

Why can't you condemn the Killer at the Bar and the POS (Proclaimed Christian Pastors) who applaud his actions?

In the US murderers ARE a protected class.

Retaliatory attacks are conducted against WE THE PEOPLE not against those who adopted the crazy discriminatory foreign policy.

“Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the army to protect America, not Israel. Am I stupid? No, I know full well that my son, my family, this nation and this world were betrayed by George Bush who was influenced by the neo-con PNAC agendas after 9/11. We were told that we were attacked on 9/11 because the terrorists hate our freedoms and democracy … not for the real reason, because the Arab Muslims who attacked us hate our middle-eastern foreign policy.”

Cindy Sheehan


.

No. I'm sorry for Mrs. Sheenhan's loss but her son was not murdered.

As far as the bipartisan policy of interventionism, yes of course, that is protected.

And of course you are a dumb ass for saying that their lives ought to be protected while WE THE PEOPLE have no protection.


The US love affair with Israel have caused us thus far

1- the damage done to lives and property on 09/11
2- TSA SCUMBAGGERY
3- More UNCONSTITUTIONAL FEDERAL restrictions on Our Right to bear arms
4- "Patriot" Act


.

Nah, I said they are protected, not that they ought to be. I mean it's true, right? They are protected?

Ah yes the Israeli pivot...........

Israel did not attack us on 9-11.

 

[Rocko]

the murderer was an american

The "MUSLIM TERRORIST" was only one in a long line of a liberally protected class.

The shooter was an American.

And a Muslim Terrorist

That part is ALWAYS left out as proven by two liberals in this very thread. His American birth was not the problem. His MUSLIM IDEOLOGY was.

His radical Muslim ideology......maybe. He wasn't really convincing on that score. He praised both Sunni and Shia sects....and never had any contact with any Isis leader. He was a nutbag, though. An American nutbag.

There's no difference between sunni and shia islam. Their only disagre

I would guess the amount of christian preachers praising the attack pales in comparison to the number of muslim imams praising the attack...wouldn't you agree? Of course you wouldn't, because you're a defender of all things islam. I know people like you stick your noses in air claiming moral superiority, but the truth is you and the people on your side are on the side of evil, oppresion, and injustice. Go fuck yourself.

Could you point out where NYCARBINEER has supported all things Islam...? Or did you just make that up?

Yes i could. I specifically recall him saying numerous times that American foriegn pollicy, that he disagrees with, is the reason behind all this hatered from the islamic world. He said 911 because we deployed troops in mecca. He knows he hates america.

Sounds to me like he disagrees with our policy of intervention in the ME and is of the opinion that the policy is the reason for the violent hatred we see towards us from the Islamic world. Not that he agrees with or approves of the violence.

So you agree with him that the root cause of their hatred is not their warped, sick ideology, but it is our foriegn pollicy. That is where both of you are sadly wrong, and it disgusts me and others that are on the side of good.

I do believe it is the root cause of their hatred towards the USA since WWII. I don't believe they hate us for our freedom or way of life.

"As the United States finds itself in the aftermath of another crisis in the Middle East, it is worth the risk of opprobrium to ask why there should be hostility toward America in that region. Some insight can be gained by surveying official U.S. conduct in the Middle East since the end of World War II. Acknowledged herein is a fundamental, yet deplorably overlooked, distinction between understanding and excusing. The purpose of this survey is not to pardon acts of violence against innocent people but to understand the reasons that drive people to violent political acts.[2] The stubborn and often self-serving notion that the historical record is irrelevant because political violence is inexcusable ensures that Americans will be caught in crises in the Middle East and elsewhere for many years to come."

http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa159.pdf

"In the aftermath of the most overt and direct U.S. attempt to manage affairs in the Middle East, the Persian Gulf War, it is more important than ever to understand how the United States came to be involved in the region and the disastrous consequences of that involvement. President Bush’s willingness to sacrifice American lives to remove Iraqi forces from Kuwait, to restore the “legitimate” government of that feudal monarchy, and to create a “new world order” proceeds logically from the premises and policies of past administrations. Indeed, there is little new in Bush’s new world order, except the Soviet Union’s assistance. That may mean the new order will be far more dangerous than the old, because it will feature an activist U.S. foreign policy without the inhibitions that were formerly imposed by the superpower rivalry. That bodes ill for the people of the Middle East, as well as for the long-suffering American citizens, who will see their taxes continue to rise, their consumer economy increasingly distorted by military spending, and their blood spilled—all in the name of U.S. leadership."

I would guess the amount of christian preachers praising the attack pales in comparison to the number of muslim imams praising the attack...wouldn't you agree? Of course you wouldn't, because you're a defender of all things islam. I know people like you stick your noses in air claiming moral superiority, but the truth is you and the people on your side are on the side of evil, oppresion, and injustice. Go fuck yourself.

Could you point out where NYCARBINEER has supported all things Islam...? Or did you just make that up?

Yes i could. I specifically recall him saying numerous times that American foriegn pollicy, that he disagrees with, is the reason behind all this hatered from the islamic world. He said 911 because we deployed troops in mecca. He knows he hates america.

Sounds to me like he disagrees with our policy of intervention in the ME and is of the opinion that the policy is the reason for the violent hatred we see towards us from the Islamic world. Not that he agrees with or approves of the violence.

So you agree with him that the root cause of their hatred is not their warped, sick ideology, but it is our foriegn pollicy. That is where both of you are sadly wrong, and it disgusts me and others that are on the side of good.

I do believe it is the root cause of their hatred towards the USA since WWII. I don't believe they hate us for our freedom or way of life.

You're a fool. The islamists are quoting their scripture when they spew their hate towards us every single day, yet you ignore that and would rather focus on their political grivences. Why? The answer is you hate america.

 

[Rocko]

Just like I said, American Christian Pastors sad more gays weren't killed in Pulse attack

I have not seen one thread by a leftie placing the blame where it belongs but I've seen plenty like this.

What the man said was no doubt pie in the sky bullshit but in no way relevant to the actions that Muslims take when they seek to & in fact kill Americans.

And you people wonder why you're deemed a danger to our nation's security.

You do realize that the boogeyman of the leftist ideology (who in reality created pretty much all of civilization) is the white heterosexual male.

If any other group does something bad, the primary fault still lies with the white heterosexual male.

OMG, I'm the enemy?

Without a shadow of a doubt.

 

[BlindBoo]

Just like I said, American Christian Pastors sad more gays weren't killed in Pulse attack

I have not seen one thread by a leftie placing the blame where it belongs but I've seen plenty like this.

What the man said was no doubt pie in the sky bullshit but in no way relevant to the actions that Muslims take when they seek to & in fact kill Americans.

And you people wonder why you're deemed a danger to our nation's security.

You do realize that the boogeyman of the leftist ideology (who in reality created pretty much all of civilization) is the white heterosexual male.

If any other group does something bad, the primary fault still lies with the white heterosexual male.

OMG, I'm the enemy?

Without a shadow of a doubt.

Why do you hate White Heterosexual Males?

 

[Norman]

Just like I said, American Christian Pastors sad more gays weren't killed in Pulse attack

I have not seen one thread by a leftie placing the blame where it belongs but I've seen plenty like this.

What the man said was no doubt pie in the sky bullshit but in no way relevant to the actions that Muslims take when they seek to & in fact kill Americans.

And you people wonder why you're deemed a danger to our nation's security.

You do realize that the boogeyman of the leftist ideology (who in reality created pretty much all of civilization) is the white heterosexual male.

If any other group does something bad, the primary fault still lies with the white heterosexual male.

OMG, I'm the enemy?

Without a shadow of a doubt.

Why do you hate White Heterosexual Males?

White heterosexual christian males have more because others have less.

The regressive ideology 101.

 

[BlindBoo]

the murderer was an american

The "MUSLIM TERRORIST" was only one in a long line of a liberally protected class.

The shooter was an American.

And a Muslim Terrorist

That part is ALWAYS left out as proven by two liberals in this very thread. His American birth was not the problem. His MUSLIM IDEOLOGY was.

His radical Muslim ideology......maybe. He wasn't really convincing on that score. He praised both Sunni and Shia sects....and never had any contact with any Isis leader. He was a nutbag, though. An American nutbag.

There's no difference between sunni and shia islam. Their only disagre

Could you point out where NYCARBINEER has supported all things Islam...? Or did you just make that up?

Yes i could. I specifically recall him saying numerous times that American foriegn pollicy, that he disagrees with, is the reason behind all this hatered from the islamic world. He said 911 because we deployed troops in mecca. He knows he hates america.

Sounds to me like he disagrees with our policy of intervention in the ME and is of the opinion that the policy is the reason for the violent hatred we see towards us from the Islamic world. Not that he agrees with or approves of the violence.

So you agree with him that the root cause of their hatred is not their warped, sick ideology, but it is our foriegn pollicy. That is where both of you are sadly wrong, and it disgusts me and others that are on the side of good.

I do believe it is the root cause of their hatred towards the USA since WWII. I don't believe they hate us for our freedom or way of life.

"As the United States finds itself in the aftermath of another crisis in the Middle East, it is worth the risk of opprobrium to ask why there should be hostility toward America in that region. Some insight can be gained by surveying official U.S. conduct in the Middle East since the end of World War II. Acknowledged herein is a fundamental, yet deplorably overlooked, distinction between understanding and excusing. The purpose of this survey is not to pardon acts of violence against innocent people but to understand the reasons that drive people to violent political acts.[2] The stubborn and often self-serving notion that the historical record is irrelevant because political violence is inexcusable ensures that Americans will be caught in crises in the Middle East and elsewhere for many years to come."

http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa159.pdf

"In the aftermath of the most overt and direct U.S. attempt to manage affairs in the Middle East, the Persian Gulf War, it is more important than ever to understand how the United States came to be involved in the region and the disastrous consequences of that involvement. President Bush’s willingness to sacrifice American lives to remove Iraqi forces from Kuwait, to restore the “legitimate” government of that feudal monarchy, and to create a “new world order” proceeds logically from the premises and policies of past administrations. Indeed, there is little new in Bush’s new world order, except the Soviet Union’s assistance. That may mean the new order will be far more dangerous than the old, because it will feature an activist U.S. foreign policy without the inhibitions that were formerly imposed by the superpower rivalry. That bodes ill for the people of the Middle East, as well as for the long-suffering American citizens, who will see their taxes continue to rise, their consumer economy increasingly distorted by military spending, and their blood spilled—all in the name of U.S. leadership."

Could you point out where NYCARBINEER has supported all things Islam...? Or did you just make that up?

Yes i could. I specifically recall him saying numerous times that American foriegn pollicy, that he disagrees with, is the reason behind all this hatered from the islamic world. He said 911 because we deployed troops in mecca. He knows he hates america.

Sounds to me like he disagrees with our policy of intervention in the ME and is of the opinion that the policy is the reason for the violent hatred we see towards us from the Islamic world. Not that he agrees with or approves of the violence.

So you agree with him that the root cause of their hatred is not their warped, sick ideology, but it is our foriegn pollicy. That is where both of you are sadly wrong, and it disgusts me and others that are on the side of good.

I do believe it is the root cause of their hatred towards the USA since WWII. I don't believe they hate us for our freedom or way of life.

You're a fool. The islamists are quoting their scripture when they spew their hate towards us every single day, yet you ignore that and would rather focus on their political grivences. Why? The answer is you hate america.

Never once said I ignore their Mullahs Sermons(or whatever they call them) Just like those Radical Christians who preach Leviticus should be the law of the land, they too (Mullahs) are assholes.

Religion is used to control the people. To tell them how they feel.

It works the same over there too.

You can claim whatever you want about me, but remember it's your words not mine.

 

[BlindBoo]

Just like I said, American Christian Pastors sad more gays weren't killed in Pulse attack

I have not seen one thread by a leftie placing the blame where it belongs but I've seen plenty like this.

What the man said was no doubt pie in the sky bullshit but in no way relevant to the actions that Muslims take when they seek to & in fact kill Americans.

And you people wonder why you're deemed a danger to our nation's security.

You do realize that the boogeyman of the leftist ideology (who in reality created pretty much all of civilization) is the white heterosexual male.

If any other group does something bad, the primary fault still lies with the white heterosexual male.

OMG, I'm the enemy?

Without a shadow of a doubt.

Why do you hate White Heterosexual Males?

White heterosexual christian males have more because others have less.

The regressive ideology 101.

Ohhh is that why I have such big hands?????

 

[Rocko]

The "MUSLIM TERRORIST" was only one in a long line of a liberally protected class.

The shooter was an American.

And a Muslim Terrorist

That part is ALWAYS left out as proven by two liberals in this very thread. His American birth was not the problem. His MUSLIM IDEOLOGY was.

His radical Muslim ideology......maybe. He wasn't really convincing on that score. He praised both Sunni and Shia sects....and never had any contact with any Isis leader. He was a nutbag, though. An American nutbag.

There's no difference between sunni and shia islam. Their only disagre

Yes i could. I specifically recall him saying numerous times that American foriegn pollicy, that he disagrees with, is the reason behind all this hatered from the islamic world. He said 911 because we deployed troops in mecca. He knows he hates america.

Sounds to me like he disagrees with our policy of intervention in the ME and is of the opinion that the policy is the reason for the violent hatred we see towards us from the Islamic world. Not that he agrees with or approves of the violence.

So you agree with him that the root cause of their hatred is not their warped, sick ideology, but it is our foriegn pollicy. That is where both of you are sadly wrong, and it disgusts me and others that are on the side of good.

I do believe it is the root cause of their hatred towards the USA since WWII. I don't believe they hate us for our freedom or way of life.

"As the United States finds itself in the aftermath of another crisis in the Middle East, it is worth the risk of opprobrium to ask why there should be hostility toward America in that region. Some insight can be gained by surveying official U.S. conduct in the Middle East since the end of World War II. Acknowledged herein is a fundamental, yet deplorably overlooked, distinction between understanding and excusing. The purpose of this survey is not to pardon acts of violence against innocent people but to understand the reasons that drive people to violent political acts.[2] The stubborn and often self-serving notion that the historical record is irrelevant because political violence is inexcusable ensures that Americans will be caught in crises in the Middle East and elsewhere for many years to come."

http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa159.pdf

"In the aftermath of the most overt and direct U.S. attempt to manage affairs in the Middle East, the Persian Gulf War, it is more important than ever to understand how the United States came to be involved in the region and the disastrous consequences of that involvement. President Bush’s willingness to sacrifice American lives to remove Iraqi forces from Kuwait, to restore the “legitimate” government of that feudal monarchy, and to create a “new world order” proceeds logically from the premises and policies of past administrations. Indeed, there is little new in Bush’s new world order, except the Soviet Union’s assistance. That may mean the new order will be far more dangerous than the old, because it will feature an activist U.S. foreign policy without the inhibitions that were formerly imposed by the superpower rivalry. That bodes ill for the people of the Middle East, as well as for the long-suffering American citizens, who will see their taxes continue to rise, their consumer economy increasingly distorted by military spending, and their blood spilled—all in the name of U.S. leadership."

Yes i could. I specifically recall him saying numerous times that American foriegn pollicy, that he disagrees with, is the reason behind all this hatered from the islamic world. He said 911 because we deployed troops in mecca. He knows he hates america.

Sounds to me like he disagrees with our policy of intervention in the ME and is of the opinion that the policy is the reason for the violent hatred we see towards us from the Islamic world. Not that he agrees with or approves of the violence.

So you agree with him that the root cause of their hatred is not their warped, sick ideology, but it is our foriegn pollicy. That is where both of you are sadly wrong, and it disgusts me and others that are on the side of good.

I do believe it is the root cause of their hatred towards the USA since WWII. I don't believe they hate us for our freedom or way of life.

You're a fool. The islamists are quoting their scripture when they spew their hate towards us every single day, yet you ignore that and would rather focus on their political grivences. Why? The answer is you hate america.

Never once said I ignore their Mullahs Sermons(or whatever they call them) Just like those Radical Christians who preach Leviticus should be the law of the land, they too (Mullahs) are assholes.

Religion is used to control the people. To tell them how they feel.

It works the same over there too.

You can claim whatever you want about me, but remember it's your words not mine.

You see, whenever someone speaks out against radical islam your default possition is to attack christianity and create a false equivalence. Its been said to you a million time but christians aren't killing people because of their intolerance, muslims are. And youre now contradiciting yourself by claiming its the religon that tells them how to feel, when before you said its american foriegn policy is the motive of their hatred. I guess I can say at least that is an improvement in your thinking.

 

[bodecea]

Okay, so leave the Christians alone, unchallenged, i.e., the Christians who express satisfaction that 50 likely gays were killed.

I would guess the amount of christian preachers praising the attack pales in comparison to the number of muslim imams praising the attack...wouldn't you agree? Of course you wouldn't, because you're a defender of all things islam. I know people like you stick your noses in air claiming moral superiority, but the truth is you and the people on your side are on the side of evil, oppresion, and injustice. Go fuck yourself.

Could you point out where NYCARBINEER has supported all things Islam...? Or did you just make that up?

Yes i could. I specifically recall him saying numerous times that American foriegn pollicy, that he disagrees with, is the reason behind all this hatered from the islamic world. He said 911 because we deployed troops in mecca. He knows he hates america.

Would love to read those...when can you provide a link to him saying what you claim?

 

[Rocko]

Okay, so leave the Christians alone, unchallenged, i.e., the Christians who express satisfaction that 50 likely gays were killed.

I would guess the amount of christian preachers praising the attack pales in comparison to the number of muslim imams praising the attack...wouldn't you agree? Of course you wouldn't, because you're a defender of all things islam. I know people like you stick your noses in air claiming moral superiority, but the truth is you and the people on your side are on the side of evil, oppresion, and injustice. Go fuck yourself.

Could you point out where NYCARBINEER has supported all things Islam...? Or did you just make that up?

Yes i could. I specifically recall him saying numerous times that American foriegn pollicy, that he disagrees with, is the reason behind all this hatered from the islamic world. He said 911 because we deployed troops in mecca. He knows he hates america.

Would love to read those...when can you provide a link to him saying what you claim?

I'm not very adept at using the search fuctions, but if youre so curious ask him yourself. He is pretty outspoken on his hatred of america, he'll tell you.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

What the man said was no doubt pie in the sky bullshit but in no way relevant to the actions that Muslims take when they seek to & in fact kill Americans.

Okay. But who said the thread had anything to do with Muslim extremists killing Americans? Seems to me that the subject in that case is Christian extremists praising the killing of Americans. Don't get me wrong, rdean has all the intellectual value of maggots eating a coconut from the inside out. But I think you're misinterpreting this one here.

There is NOTHING to misinterpret. Rderp is nothing but a troll who posts nothing but garbage to irritate others. This thread is no different.

 

[SwimExpert]

What the man said was no doubt pie in the sky bullshit but in no way relevant to the actions that Muslims take when they seek to & in fact kill Americans.

Okay. But who said the thread had anything to do with Muslim extremists killing Americans? Seems to me that the subject in that case is Christian extremists praising the killing of Americans. Don't get me wrong, rdean has all the intellectual value of maggots eating a coconut from the inside out. But I think you're misinterpreting this one here.

There is NOTHING to misinterpret. Rderp is nothing but a troll who posts nothing but garbage to irritate others. This thread is no different.

True. But if you take it off to a tangent like this you're playing into his hands.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Okay, so leave the Christians alone, unchallenged, i.e., the Christians who express satisfaction that 50 likely gays were killed.

I would guess the amount of christian preachers praising the attack pales in comparison to the number of muslim imams praising the attack...wouldn't you agree? Of course you wouldn't, because you're a defender of all things islam. I know people like you stick your noses in air claiming moral superiority, but the truth is you and the people on your side are on the side of evil, oppresion, and injustice. Go fuck yourself.

Could you point out where NYCARBINEER has supported all things Islam...? Or did you just make that up?

Yes i could. I specifically recall him saying numerous times that American foriegn pollicy, that he disagrees with, is the reason behind all this hatered from the islamic world. He said 911 because we deployed troops in mecca. He knows he hates america.

Sounds to me like he disagrees with our policy of intervention in the ME and is of the opinion that the policy is the reason for the violent hatred we see towards us from the Islamic world. Not that he agrees with or approves of the violence.

Of which are both positions of ignorance.

 

[LoneLaugher]

The shooter was an American.

And a Muslim Terrorist

That part is ALWAYS left out as proven by two liberals in this very thread. His American birth was not the problem. His MUSLIM IDEOLOGY was.

His radical Muslim ideology......maybe. He wasn't really convincing on that score. He praised both Sunni and Shia sects....and never had any contact with any Isis leader. He was a nutbag, though. An American nutbag.

There's no difference between sunni and shia islam. Their only disagre

Sounds to me like he disagrees with our policy of intervention in the ME and is of the opinion that the policy is the reason for the violent hatred we see towards us from the Islamic world. Not that he agrees with or approves of the violence.

So you agree with him that the root cause of their hatred is not their warped, sick ideology, but it is our foriegn pollicy. That is where both of you are sadly wrong, and it disgusts me and others that are on the side of good.

I do believe it is the root cause of their hatred towards the USA since WWII. I don't believe they hate us for our freedom or way of life.

"As the United States finds itself in the aftermath of another crisis in the Middle East, it is worth the risk of opprobrium to ask why there should be hostility toward America in that region. Some insight can be gained by surveying official U.S. conduct in the Middle East since the end of World War II. Acknowledged herein is a fundamental, yet deplorably overlooked, distinction between understanding and excusing. The purpose of this survey is not to pardon acts of violence against innocent people but to understand the reasons that drive people to violent political acts.[2] The stubborn and often self-serving notion that the historical record is irrelevant because political violence is inexcusable ensures that Americans will be caught in crises in the Middle East and elsewhere for many years to come."

http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa159.pdf

"In the aftermath of the most overt and direct U.S. attempt to manage affairs in the Middle East, the Persian Gulf War, it is more important than ever to understand how the United States came to be involved in the region and the disastrous consequences of that involvement. President Bush’s willingness to sacrifice American lives to remove Iraqi forces from Kuwait, to restore the “legitimate” government of that feudal monarchy, and to create a “new world order” proceeds logically from the premises and policies of past administrations. Indeed, there is little new in Bush’s new world order, except the Soviet Union’s assistance. That may mean the new order will be far more dangerous than the old, because it will feature an activist U.S. foreign policy without the inhibitions that were formerly imposed by the superpower rivalry. That bodes ill for the people of the Middle East, as well as for the long-suffering American citizens, who will see their taxes continue to rise, their consumer economy increasingly distorted by military spending, and their blood spilled—all in the name of U.S. leadership."

Sounds to me like he disagrees with our policy of intervention in the ME and is of the opinion that the policy is the reason for the violent hatred we see towards us from the Islamic world. Not that he agrees with or approves of the violence.

So you agree with him that the root cause of their hatred is not their warped, sick ideology, but it is our foriegn pollicy. That is where both of you are sadly wrong, and it disgusts me and others that are on the side of good.

I do believe it is the root cause of their hatred towards the USA since WWII. I don't believe they hate us for our freedom or way of life.

You're a fool. The islamists are quoting their scripture when they spew their hate towards us every single day, yet you ignore that and would rather focus on their political grivences. Why? The answer is you hate america.

Never once said I ignore their Mullahs Sermons(or whatever they call them) Just like those Radical Christians who preach Leviticus should be the law of the land, they too (Mullahs) are assholes.

Religion is used to control the people. To tell them how they feel.

It works the same over there too.

You can claim whatever you want about me, but remember it's your words not mine.

You see, whenever someone speaks out against radical islam your default possition is to attack christianity and create a false equivalence. Its been said to you a million time but christians aren't killing people because of their intolerance, muslims are. And youre now contradiciting yourself by claiming its the religon that tells them how to feel, when before you said its american foriegn policy is the motive of their hatred. I guess I can say at least that is an improvement in your thinking.

Who are you talking to?

Please listen.

Everyone.....liberal and conservative.....speaks out against radical Islam. Everyone.

What you just reacted to was someone objecting to those who speak out against Islam itself. If you take care to identify those you scorn with words like "radical" and demonstrate an understanding that it is only a few who are radical, you'll get no push back from anyone.

However, if you carelessly say that Islam itself is evil or that we are at war with Muslims....then you will be reminded that you have not showed such understanding. In trying to help you understand, someone may suggest that there are a few nutcase Christians. You know that these nutcase Christians don't represent all Christians. You understand that. So...it is assumed that you can understand that the nutbag Muslims do not represent all Muslims. You are whining about how someone is trying to get yiu to understand something.....and then suggesting that Christians are being attacked. That's just weak.

Do you get it? Nobody here supports, defends or otherwise sympathizes with radical Islam.

May Allah and all nutbags who kill in his name have their pecker smashed with a hydraulic press and thoroughly rinsed with hot sauce.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

What the man said was no doubt pie in the sky bullshit but in no way relevant to the actions that Muslims take when they seek to & in fact kill Americans.

Okay. But who said the thread had anything to do with Muslim extremists killing Americans? Seems to me that the subject in that case is Christian extremists praising the killing of Americans. Don't get me wrong, rdean has all the intellectual value of maggots eating a coconut from the inside out. But I think you're misinterpreting this one here.

There is NOTHING to misinterpret. Rderp is nothing but a troll who posts nothing but garbage to irritate others. This thread is no different.

True. But if you take it off to a tangent like this you're playing into his hands.

Playing into his hands is what YOU did not my response to his stupidity lol
And do tell how calling out ignorant trolls is going on a tangent

 

[BlindBoo]

The shooter was an American.

And a Muslim Terrorist

That part is ALWAYS left out as proven by two liberals in this very thread. His American birth was not the problem. His MUSLIM IDEOLOGY was.

His radical Muslim ideology......maybe. He wasn't really convincing on that score. He praised both Sunni and Shia sects....and never had any contact with any Isis leader. He was a nutbag, though. An American nutbag.

There's no difference between sunni and shia islam. Their only disagre

Sounds to me like he disagrees with our policy of intervention in the ME and is of the opinion that the policy is the reason for the violent hatred we see towards us from the Islamic world. Not that he agrees with or approves of the violence.

So you agree with him that the root cause of their hatred is not their warped, sick ideology, but it is our foriegn pollicy. That is where both of you are sadly wrong, and it disgusts me and others that are on the side of good.

I do believe it is the root cause of their hatred towards the USA since WWII. I don't believe they hate us for our freedom or way of life.

"As the United States finds itself in the aftermath of another crisis in the Middle East, it is worth the risk of opprobrium to ask why there should be hostility toward America in that region. Some insight can be gained by surveying official U.S. conduct in the Middle East since the end of World War II. Acknowledged herein is a fundamental, yet deplorably overlooked, distinction between understanding and excusing. The purpose of this survey is not to pardon acts of violence against innocent people but to understand the reasons that drive people to violent political acts.[2] The stubborn and often self-serving notion that the historical record is irrelevant because political violence is inexcusable ensures that Americans will be caught in crises in the Middle East and elsewhere for many years to come."

http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa159.pdf

"In the aftermath of the most overt and direct U.S. attempt to manage affairs in the Middle East, the Persian Gulf War, it is more important than ever to understand how the United States came to be involved in the region and the disastrous consequences of that involvement. President Bush’s willingness to sacrifice American lives to remove Iraqi forces from Kuwait, to restore the “legitimate” government of that feudal monarchy, and to create a “new world order” proceeds logically from the premises and policies of past administrations. Indeed, there is little new in Bush’s new world order, except the Soviet Union’s assistance. That may mean the new order will be far more dangerous than the old, because it will feature an activist U.S. foreign policy without the inhibitions that were formerly imposed by the superpower rivalry. That bodes ill for the people of the Middle East, as well as for the long-suffering American citizens, who will see their taxes continue to rise, their consumer economy increasingly distorted by military spending, and their blood spilled—all in the name of U.S. leadership."

Sounds to me like he disagrees with our policy of intervention in the ME and is of the opinion that the policy is the reason for the violent hatred we see towards us from the Islamic world. Not that he agrees with or approves of the violence.

So you agree with him that the root cause of their hatred is not their warped, sick ideology, but it is our foriegn pollicy. That is where both of you are sadly wrong, and it disgusts me and others that are on the side of good.

I do believe it is the root cause of their hatred towards the USA since WWII. I don't believe they hate us for our freedom or way of life.

You're a fool. The islamists are quoting their scripture when they spew their hate towards us every single day, yet you ignore that and would rather focus on their political grivences. Why? The answer is you hate america.

Never once said I ignore their Mullahs Sermons(or whatever they call them) Just like those Radical Christians who preach Leviticus should be the law of the land, they too (Mullahs) are assholes.

Religion is used to control the people. To tell them how they feel.

It works the same over there too.

You can claim whatever you want about me, but remember it's your words not mine.

You see, whenever someone speaks out against radical islam your default possition is to attack christianity and create a false equivalence. Its been said to you a million time but christians aren't killing people because of their intolerance, muslims are. And youre now contradiciting yourself by claiming its the religon that tells them how to feel, when before you said its american foriegn policy is the motive of their hatred. I guess I can say at least that is an improvement in your thinking.

No you're wrong again.

I oppose the Radical Islamic ideas as much as I oppose the Radical Christian ideas. Christian radicals are indeed killing innocents. It's the Mullahs who tell them how to feel. They use their pulpit, mix it with a little mumbo-jumbo religious magic book sauce an spread hatred of the US out to their masses. They do this because of the West's intervention into their lands. After WWII we became the point and the spear of that intervention.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Just like I said, American Christian Pastors sad more gays weren't killed in Pulse attack

I have not seen one thread by a leftie placing the blame where it belongs but I've seen plenty like this.

What the man said was no doubt pie in the sky bullshit but in no way relevant to the actions that Muslims take when they seek to & in fact kill Americans.

And you people wonder why you're deemed a danger to our nation's security.

You do realize that the boogeyman of the leftist ideology (who in reality created pretty much all of civilization) is the white heterosexual male.

If any other group does something bad, the primary fault still lies with the white heterosexual male.

OMG, I'm the enemy?

Without a shadow of a doubt.

Why do you hate White Heterosexual Males?

White heterosexual christian males have more because others have less.

The regressive ideology 101.

Son-of-a-bitch! I've been buying my own shit all these years.
If that's the case I want a refund on all my shit & the number of the closest freeloader who will repurchase it for me!