Leftists: Please explain to me how democracy is in jeopardy

[NotfooledbyW]

how many are there?

NFBW: About 1/4 of Americans are white evangelical Christians and they are reliable voters for Republicans, but most importantly they control states known as the Bible Belt;


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% of Adults Who Are Evangelical Protestant (Source: PEW Research Center)
1	Tennessee	52%
2	Alabama	49%
3	Kentucky	49%
4	Oklahoma	47%
5	Arkansas	46%
6	Mississippi	41%

NFBW: That is 12 US Republican Senators consistently and reliably keeping the 60 Senator filibuster breaker from happening due to white evangelical Christians who vote.

A notable fact in 2016 was that exit polls showed about 80% of white evangelical Christians supported Trump in spite of his unfamiliarity with the Bible, his divorces, his vulgar rhetoric and his association with porn stars. Trump's reputation in moral terms hasn't changed all that much during his time in office, but there is little evidence of slippage among these faith voters.​

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Surveys of early voters and exit polls this year showed between 76 and 81% of white evangelical and "born again" voters supporting Trump, according to the National Election Pool and AP/Votecast.​

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"We essentially have White evangelicals, somewhere around 8 in 10, supporting the president, standing by their candidate, standing by their man," says Jones.​

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If the Evangelical population in the US is around 25% and the US population was estimated to be 323 million in 2016, that would be a total of 80 million Evangelicals in the USA.

35% of Evangelicals are non-white. White Evangelicals would be 65%, which is 53 million. In 2016 it was reported that 80% of Evangelicals voted for Trump. 80% of 53 million would be 42 million if they all voted.

Let’s assume half of evangelicals vote. that makes it 21 million would be my guess. There is no voting bloc like them.

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[NotfooledbyW]

Look at you defending the rich old white Christian installed in the White House .

What is there that needs defending? I have nothing against rich Christians young or old and Biden in particular behaves much more like a Christian than Trump does.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Do you acknowledge that evangelical Christian Nationalist exist in great numbers and vote Republican?

No, I think the religious groups vote Democrat and Republican. It's likely it tilts Republican, but not exclusively.

The OP asks how is democracy a threat if Republicans take leadership? Your answer is they cater to various groups of people. Well, don't both parties do that? And isn't democracy exactly that; representatives that carry out the wishes and views of the people? So your answer is the Republicans are a threat to democracy because they carry out democracy.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

She is trying to win an election, true.

What does it say about the Republican Party that she thinks threatening democracy is beneficial to her candidacy?

Simple, trying to get the cheated election voters. John McCain said he'd get rid of Commie Care if given a chance. He did the exact opposite. Dementia said he'd make the national minimum wage $15.00 an hour. Once he took office, he told his fellow Democrats don't waste his time putting such a bill on his desk.

What people say they'd do if elected and what they actually do are two different things.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Do you really believe that rounding up your groups of followers to vote is a threat to democracy?

NFBW: No. The threat to democracy is Republicans like Unkotare and ding who say they know that pro-Choice Americans have guilty consciences because they kill innocent human beings that are being formed in the womb.

Do you think it is good for democracy to have one side acting and voting irrationally as Republicans who believe that Democrats are all essentially guilty of wanting to mass slaughter babies? 2211062222

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

NFBW: No. The threat to democracy is Republicans like Unkotare and ding who say they know that pro-Choice Americans have guilty consciences because they kill innocent human beings that are being formed in the womb.

Do you think it is good for democracy to have one side acting and voting irrationally as Republicans who believe that Democrats are all essentially guilty of wanting to mass slaughter babies? 2211062222

Yes I do, do you have the faintest understanding of what a democracy or Republic is all about?

We hire people to represent our views on the federal level. Them carrying out our wishes or concerns is not a threat to democracy, it is democracy. If a majority of people feel a certain way, then democracy allows them to have their way in most cases.

The Communist point of view is what is a threat to democracy; the idea they will push legislation so that the minority rules over the majority. Our country was never designed to work this way. People are sick of it and we will see that this election.

Parents want a say-so over what is being taught in their schools, and what they don't want being taught. Spending hundreds of billions on a flawed theory like global warming should never be allowed to happen with huge costs and sacrifices to the American people and economy. Most citizens stand behind their police officers and law in general. Most people are against crime and criminals that the Democrat party favors. Most people are against open borders and the drugs that come with it that the Democrat party welcomes with open arms.

We, the majority of Americans do not want to be ruled by the minority any longer.

 

[struth]

NFBW: About 1/4 of Americans are white evangelical Christians and they are reliable voters for Republicans, but most importantly they control states known as the Bible Belt;


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% of Adults Who Are Evangelical Protestant (Source: PEW Research Center)
1	Tennessee	52%
2	Alabama	49%
3	Kentucky	49%
4	Oklahoma	47%
5	Arkansas	46%
6	Mississippi	41%

NFBW: That is 12 US Republican Senators consistently and reliably keeping the 60 Senator filibuster breaker from happening due to white evangelical Christians who vote.

A notable fact in 2016 was that exit polls showed about 80% of white evangelical Christians supported Trump in spite of his unfamiliarity with the Bible, his divorces, his vulgar rhetoric and his association with porn stars. Trump's reputation in moral terms hasn't changed all that much during his time in office, but there is little evidence of slippage among these faith voters.​

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Surveys of early voters and exit polls this year showed between 76 and 81% of white evangelical and "born again" voters supporting Trump, according to the National Election Pool and AP/Votecast.​

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"We essentially have White evangelicals, somewhere around 8 in 10, supporting the president, standing by their candidate, standing by their man," says Jones.​

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If the Evangelical population in the US is around 25% and the US population was estimated to be 323 million in 2016, that would be a total of 80 million Evangelicals in the USA.

35% of Evangelicals are non-white. White Evangelicals would be 65%, which is 53 million. In 2016 it was reported that 80% of Evangelicals voted for Trump. 80% of 53 million would be 42 million if they all voted.

Let’s assume half of evangelicals vote. that makes it 21 million would be my guess. There is no voting bloc like them.

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sorry you said christian nationalist…that’s not the same as simply because evangelical.

and not sure what the filibuster has to do with anything there are far more then a doezen senators that want to keep the filibuster and a religion has nothing to do with it

 

[candycorn]

There was no “insurrection “ silly.

Yes, there was an insurrection. But it failed miserably.

 

[Ame®icano]

Yes, there was an insurrection. But it failed miserably.

Insurrection with no guns, but with flags and signs.

 

[Wyatt earp]

It's the new catch phrase of the left: Our democracy is in danger if you vote Republican. Now, I've asked leftists on USMB how is democracy threatened if we vote Republican, and not one can give me a coherent answer or in most cases, any answer at all. Like robots, just repeat what you are told to repeat. Since I never got any answer, I'm creating a topic on it to see if somebody, anybody on the left can explain this threat to me.

On the right there was 1/6, a one day event that lasted several hours but resulted in business carried out as usual. No Republican representative supported it. No right-wing radio or television host supported it. And it happened nearly two years ago.

On the left you had the FBI engage in assisting the Democrat party by obtaining warrants with false applications to spy on a political foe, pressuring major social media companies to remove any posts about Hunter Biden's laptop scandal which resulted in Biden's win, two phony impeachments, attacking pro-life people protesting abortion clinics and arresting them, and more recently a President asking an oil producing nation to withhold their announcement they intend to cut oil production to help his party in a midterm election; something they based their first phony impeachment on President Trump for even though he never did any such thing.

So which party is the actual threat to democracy here?

No kidding I never get what they are talking about in danger of what?

$1 a gallon gas?
$1 a gallon lon milk?
Blacks and whites Getting along?

What is in danger according to the democrats?

 

[emilynghiem]

It's the new catch phrase of the left: Our democracy is in danger if you vote Republican. Now, I've asked leftists on USMB how is democracy threatened if we vote Republican, and not one can give me a coherent answer or in most cases, any answer at all. Like robots, just repeat what you are told to repeat. Since I never got any answer, I'm creating a topic on it to see if somebody, anybody on the left can explain this threat to me.

On the right there was 1/6, a one day event that lasted several hours but resulted in business carried out as usual. No Republican representative supported it. No right-wing radio or television host supported it. And it happened nearly two years ago.

On the left you had the FBI engage in assisting the Democrat party by obtaining warrants with false applications to spy on a political foe, pressuring major social media companies to remove any posts about Hunter Biden's laptop scandal which resulted in Biden's win, two phony impeachments, attacking pro-life people protesting abortion clinics and arresting them, and more recently a President asking an oil producing nation to withhold their announcement they intend to cut oil production to help his party in a midterm election; something they based their first phony impeachment on President Trump for even though he never did any such thing.

So which party is the actual threat to democracy here?

From my buddies who see Trump, GOP, and even me as a threat for voting Conservative, this is what I gathered:

1. The excess license and forbearance given to Corporations to run their business interests "unchecked by Govt" scares Liberals who feel helpless to stop Corporate abuses UNLESS federal govt passes restrictions to police big monied interests. So I get slammed daily by progressive friends who fear "Libertarian" beliefs in unchecked "individual" liberty means rampant corporate abuse hijacking govt.

A. Flaw 1 - there is corporate hijacking going on with Democrats
B. Flaw 2 - Corporations aren't supposed to have the same inalienable rights as individuals, but this needs to be checked at the state level where Corporations are chartered so states have ability to decide how to protect their interests from abuses
So because liberal Democrats don't believe in using Constitutional principles to defend rights from abuses, they can't fix these flaws and just blame Republicans they fear as having more power due to beliefs that individual rights and liberties come first before federal mandates.

2. Fear regarding federal govt and judges not defending due process protections when it comes to abortion laws
A. Flaw 1 - Not understanding State jurisdiction but instead relying on federal court rulings to create or defend rights
B. Flaw 2 - Democrats overreached by mandating "right to health care" beliefs through federal govt, which opened the door for "right to life" beliefs to be pushed federally. The Democrats impose just as much threat to individual free choice in health care that doesn't belong in federal hands, but they don't see that as a problem when they push such policies through govt, but only protest when it involves the abortion/prochoice issues.

3. Fear of abuse of gun rights vs fear of federal regulations imposed on voting rights:

If you notice, Conservatives fear the "slippery slope" when it comes to govt regulations of gun rights the way Liberals fear govt regulations of voting rights.

Both see those respective laws as sacred lines in the sand that govt cannot cross. These are symbolic like a litmus test for govt overreach.

4. Fear of racist biases in police/criminal justice/immigration policies.

In general because Liberals rely on govt to establish their rights "to protect all people's interests from threats of infringement and discrimination", while Conservatives believe people have equal rights by reclaiming equal responsibility and ownership, then because people don't yet have equal access to resources, education and authority, the Liberals blame unequal class privilege on Conservatives for "not helping the poor through Govt".

The lack of unequal knowledge of the laws for empowerment and lack of ownership and economic self reliance gets blamed on "socioeconomic class" which is most visibly and vocally represented through race based arguments.

In general the Liberals I know complaining most against Conservatives Christians and Constitutionalists do not share the same faith that the Constitutional and Church laws can be enforced by the people to solve our own problems.

But the fear of abuse and oppression by large corporate or church entities make the Liberals cling even more to Party and Govt to protect them from opposing interests they believe are just abusing freedom to help more wealthy stay wealthy, so that Govt is required to FORCE the wealthy to help the poor.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Yes, there was an insurrection. But it failed miserably.

Nope, no guns was used, so just a peaceful protest that got out of hand

 

[NotfooledbyW]

No, I think the religious groups vote Democrat and Republican.

NFBW: That is not what I asked you.

RFC221106-#272 “No I don't,”

NFBW221106-#279 “Do you acknowledge that evangelical Christian Nationalist exist in great numbers and vote Republican?”

RFC221106-#283 “No, I think the religious groups vote Democrat and Republican. It's likely it tilts Republican, but not exclusively.”

NFBW: I asked you about one major, significant white religious group. And you cannot answer.

A notable fact in 2016 was that exit polls showed about 80% of white evangelical Christians supported Trump in spite of his unfamiliarity with the Bible, his divorces, his vulgar rhetoric and his association with porn stars.​

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NFBW: I’ll ask again, Do you understand it to be true that 80% of white evangelical Christians support Trump and still do after Jan6 2020 when according to Mitch McConnell:

"January 6th was a disgrace.​

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"American citizens attacked their own government. They used terrorism to try to stop a specific piece of democratic business they did not like.​

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"Fellow Americans beat and bloodied our own police. They stormed the Senate floor. They tried to hunt down the Speaker of the House. They built a gallows and chanted about murdering the Vice President.​

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"They did this because they had been fed wild falsehoods by the most powerful man on Earth — because he was angry he'd lost an election.​

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"Former President Trump's actions preceding the riot were a disgraceful dereliction of duty.​

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"The House accused the former President of, quote, 'incitement.' That is a specific term from the criminal law.​

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"Let me put that to the side for one moment and reiterate something I said weeks ago: There is no question that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of that day.​

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"The people who stormed this building believed they were acting on the wishes and instructions of their President.​

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"And their having that belief was a foreseeable consequence of the growing crescendo of false statements, conspiracy theories, and reckless hyperbole which the defeated President kept shouting into the largest megaphone on planet Earth.​

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"The issue is not only the President's intemperate language on January 6th.​

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"It is not just his endorsement of remarks in which an associate urged 'trial by combat.'​

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"It was also the entire manufactured atmosphere of looming catastrophe; the increasingly wild myths about a reverse landslide election that was being stolen in some secret coup by our now-President.​

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"I defended the President's right to bring any complaints to our legal system. The legal system spoke. The Electoral College spoke. As I stood up and said clearly at the time, the election was settled.​

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"But that reality just opened a new chapter of even wilder and more unfounded claims.​

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"The leader of the free world cannot spend weeks thundering that shadowy forces are stealing our country and then feign surprise when people believe him and do reckless things.​

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"Sadly, many politicians sometimes make overheated comments or use metaphors that unhinged listeners might take literally.​

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"This was different.​

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"This was an intensifying crescendo of conspiracy theories, orchestrated by an outgoing president who seemed determined to either overturn the voters' decision or else torch our institutions on the way out.​

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"The unconscionable behavior did not end when the violence began.​

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"Whatever our ex-President claims he thought might happen that day... whatever reaction he says he meant to produce... by that afternoon, he was watching the same live television as the rest of the world.​

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"A mob was assaulting the Capitol in his name. These criminals were carrying his banners, hanging his flags, and screaming their loyalty to him.​

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"It was obvious that only President Trump could end this.​

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"Former aides publicly begged him to do so. Loyal allies frantically called the Administration.​

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"But the President did not act swiftly. He did not do his job. He didn't take steps so federal law could be faithfully executed, and order restored.​

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"Instead, according to public reports, he watched television happily as the chaos unfolded. He kept pressing his scheme to overturn the election!​

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"Even after it was clear to any reasonable observer that Vice President Pence was in danger... even as the mob carrying Trump banners was beating cops and breaching perimeters... the President sent a further tweet attacking his Vice President.​

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"Predictably and foreseeably under the circumstances, members of the mob seemed to interpret this as further inspiration to lawlessness and violence.​

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"Later, even when the President did halfheartedly begin calling for peace, he did not call right away for the riot to end. He did not tell the mob to depart until even later.​

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"And even then, with police officers bleeding and broken glass covering Capitol floors, he kept repeating election lies and praising the criminals.​

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Yes I do, do you have the faintest understanding of what a democracy or Republic is all about?

I know when a president refuses to go peacefully after losing his campaign to serve a second term he and his party loyalists reek of fascism and fascism is a severe threat to democracy when a quarter the population that is of outwardly authoritarian minded as white fearful Christians irrationally are, believing they are the only righteous heirs to governing this nation under their God’s authority not believing that America belongs to all diversified religious and philosophical beliefs is a threat to democracy and freedom of conscience.

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[NotfooledbyW]

NFBW: You Ray From Cleveland have unwittingly answered the question asked on this thread from another thread you started last May.

Because the white evangelical Christian pro-life Catholic and Protestant political religious operatives, unfortunately added during Trump’s presidency, three more Catholic justices to the Supreme Court making the Catholic view canonized into the Constitution that constitutional personhood rights begins at conception, not birth, is a threat to not only democracy but to the concept of religious freedom in the Constitution itself.

The reality that a six Catholic majority on the Supreme Court will push legislation so that the religious white Evangelical quarter of the population minority can rule over the entire diversified majority is a threat to our democracy because as you said Ray From Cleveland our country was never designed to work that way.

Ray From Cleveland RFC220505-#1 “I can't see the court ruling that abortion be exclusively a states right. What part of the Constitution would allow them to rule that way?”​

NFBW: I agree with you 111 percent Ray From Cleveland that the Dobbs decision is deplorably unconstitutional and therefore absolutely the most unprecedented and irrational decision in Supreme Court history.

And take a look at what your abortion thread attracted;

DigitalDrifter 220505-#5 “I'm hopeful that with what's happening here with Roe, more Americans will be ready to divide the country into at least two countries. IMHO, the sooner we make it official, the more likely we will not be finding ourselves in the middle of a genuine civil catastrophe that will result in a good deal of Americans killed​

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[struth]

NFBW: You Ray From Cleveland have unwittingly answered the question asked on this thread from another thread you started last May.

Because the white evangelical Christian pro-life Catholic and Protestant political religious operatives, unfortunately added during Trump’s presidency, three more Catholic justices to the Supreme Court making the Catholic view canonized into the Constitution that constitutional personhood rights begins at conception, not birth, is a threat to not only democracy but to the concept of religious freedom in the Constitution itself.

The reality that a six Catholic majority on the Supreme Court will push legislation so that the religious white Evangelical quarter of the population minority can rule over the entire diversified majority is a threat to our democracy because as you said Ray From Cleveland our country was never designed to work that way.

Ray From Cleveland RFC220505-#1 “I can't see the court ruling that abortion be exclusively a states right. What part of the Constitution would allow them to rule that way?”​

NFBW: I agree with you 111 percent Ray From Cleveland that the Dobbs decision is deplorably unconstitutional and therefore absolutely the most unprecedented and irrational decision in Supreme Court history.

And take a look at what your abortion thread attracted;

DigitalDrifter 220505-#5 “I'm hopeful that with what's happening here with Roe, more Americans will be ready to divide the country into at least two countries. IMHO, the sooner we make it official, the more likely we will not be finding ourselves in the middle of a genuine civil catastrophe that will result in a good deal of Americans killed​

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um you can't be Evangeliccal and Catholic....you can't be Protestant and Catholic.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

We, the majority of Americans do not want to be ruled by the minority any longer.

You have decided you are with the perfect American majority on your favorite issues and preferences Ray From Cleveland ; How did you rationally and scientifically reach that conclusion?

I have a suggestion that we settle this in pure democratic majority style by taking the will of the voters who actually cared enough to vote in 2008 2012 2016 and 2020 by popular vote base upon their actual vote for President.

The Dems have it.

Is your gun pointed at me because you think I am a communist who is subverting the will of the angry armed and dangerous right wing minority backside you know you cannot win a popular election to take your white country Back and make it “Great Again”

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[Ray From Cleveland]

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You have decided you are with the perfect American majority on your favorite issues and preferences Ray From Cleveland ; How did you rationally and scientifically reach that conclusion?

I have a suggestion that we settle this in pure democratic majority by taking the will of the voters who actually cared enough to vote in 2008 2012 2016 and 2020 by popular their actual vote for President.

The Dems have it.

Is your gun pointed at me because you think I am a communist who is subverting the will of the angry armed and dangerous right wing minority backside you know you cannot win a popular election to take your white country Back and make it “Great Again”

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Ah, I knew it was coming, find a way to insert the race card, a typical leftist ploy.

I used this avatar when I first joined to show people of my support for our Constitution and right to bear arms. I was going to change it some time ago, but when I found it drives snowflakes nuts, I decided to keep it.

If you want to get rid of the college, get the commies that you voted for to try and pass a constitutional amendment. After all, it's the only way you can legally do it. And good luck with that one by the way. As for myself, I'll side with the brilliance of our founders. They feared that eventually large populated areas would be able to control the presidency for the rest of the country, so they created a way around that problem.

And once again you failed to demonstrate how our democracy is under threat this election like the Communists are crying about. Don't feel bad, every leftist also failed. It's just yet another lie by the left because they can't run on their record these past few years. They took a bad situation and made it ten times worse, so lie to the people to try and scare them into voting for you.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

um you can't be Evangeliccal and Catholic....you can't be Protestant and Catholic.

I didn’t say that so what is your point? I used the conjunction “and” .


About half of all Catholics who are predominately white and 80 percent of white Protestants are joined have become a monolithic movement of white evangelical Christian pro-life Catholic and Protestant political religious anti-abortion operatives,

 

[hadit]

It's the new catch phrase of the left: Our democracy is in danger if you vote Republican. Now, I've asked leftists on USMB how is democracy threatened if we vote Republican, and not one can give me a coherent answer or in most cases, any answer at all. Like robots, just repeat what you are told to repeat. Since I never got any answer, I'm creating a topic on it to see if somebody, anybody on the left can explain this threat to me.

On the right there was 1/6, a one day event that lasted several hours but resulted in business carried out as usual. No Republican representative supported it. No right-wing radio or television host supported it. And it happened nearly two years ago.

On the left you had the FBI engage in assisting the Democrat party by obtaining warrants with false applications to spy on a political foe, pressuring major social media companies to remove any posts about Hunter Biden's laptop scandal which resulted in Biden's win, two phony impeachments, attacking pro-life people protesting abortion clinics and arresting them, and more recently a President asking an oil producing nation to withhold their announcement they intend to cut oil production to help his party in a midterm election; something they based their first phony impeachment on President Trump for even though he never did any such thing.

So which party is the actual threat to democracy here?

Based on what I've been seeing, democracy to a democrat means voters get a choice of which democrat they want to elect to office, and I'm still waiting for one of them to change my mind.

 

[struth]

I didn’t say that so what is your point? I used the conjunction “and” .


About half of all Catholics who are predominately white and 80 percent of white Protestants are joined have become a monolithic movement of white evangelical Christian pro-life Catholic and Protestant political religious anti-abortion operatives,

white evangelical Christian pro-life Catholic

There is no such thing....more over there are many Asian, Hispanic, African-Americans that make up all those Christian faiths