Lessons of History and Trying To Avoid the Same Mistakes

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P R O J E C T I O N

The Stalinist fucks are accusing others of being Nazis

That's okay, they're leaving town today

 

[Sixties Fan]

“MAGA,” as we’ve already pointed out, is an acronym for: Make America Great Again. This begs the question: what’s wrong with America? Given the demography of the movement, we suspect “making America great again” has something to do with returning to the racist, sexist, nativist times in the past, prior to the civil rights movement, the women’s movement, and the Hart-Celler Immigration Act of 1965. If this is true, we should see this reflected in the data, and we do. We begin with the topic of racism, using questions that capture what is commonly referred to as racial resentment. We employ five items, using an agree/disagree format. When asked whether or not “slavery and discrimination makes it difficult for Blacks to work their way up,” better than 90 percent of movement supporters disagree. Likewise, when queried on whether or not Blacks have received less than they deserve, roughly 90 percent, again, disagree. However, when asked whether or not “Blacks would be as well off as Whites if they tried,” if “Most Blacks on welfare could get a job if they tried,” and whether “Blacks should work their way up like other minorities,” no fewer than roughly 75 percent of movement supporters agree. (Again, comparable data from 2020 is not yet available. Given the increased salience of race in 2020, relative to election cycles of the past, we don’t think it appropriate to use data from even 2016.)

Does such antipathy extend to immigrants and women? Yes, it does. Beginning with immigrants, nativism runs fairly strong within the movement. Roughly 85 percent of respondents believe that “Immigration is changing the culture for the worse,” and believe that “Immigrants refuse to abide by our laws.” However, when it comes to whether or not the “Economy is strengthened by the hard work or Latino immigrants,” roughly 60 percent agree. We suspect the results for the third question are influenced by stereotypes of Latino immigrants as landscapers and domestics, that is, in subordinate, less-threatening roles. While the results are less dramatic when it comes to sexism, they remain robust. Consider the four questions we used to assess sexism: (1) Women interpret innocent remarks as sexist; (2) Women are seeking special favors; (3) Feminists make unreasonable demands of men; and (4) Feminists are seeking more power than men. Of these questions, only once does fewer than 75 percent of movement supporters fail to agree. On the one occasion that it does, it’s when 62 percent agree with the claim that women tend to interpret “innocent” remarks as sexist.

MAGA & Difference – Panel Study of the MAGA Movement

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[Sixties Fan]

On January 6, 2021, the violation of the seat of American democracy shocked the world. In an attempt to subvert the democratic process, several hundred Trump supporters stormed the House, sparking a riot, from which the country continues to reel. One of the lasting images from the riot is the presence of the Confederate Battle Flag, by any metric a symbol of racial hatred. Since the rioters were ostensibly there to stop the ratification of an election, one based on the perception of “fraudulent” votes from a handful of states (most of which are home to sizable Black communities), we suspected racism had something to do with why the rioters sought to overturn the election. To test our intuition, in Wave 2 we devised a framing experiment, one with response options that either justified the riots, or thought them unjustified. Respondents were randomly assigned to the following two conditions:

1) Some people believe the election results aren’t valid because of the fraud committed in states like Pennsylvania and Georgia. Simply put, the election was stolen, so it’s easy to understand why Trump supporters showed up to protest at the U.S. Capitol. Others believe that enough is enough. Whether the election was stolen or not, those people who went to the Capitol went too far in making their point, causing lasting damage at home and abroad. We need to move on.

2) Some people believe the election results aren’t valid because of the fraud committed in urban areas like Philadelphia and Atlanta, predominantly minority communities. Simply put, the election was stolen, so it’s easy to understand why Trump supporters showed up to protest at the U.S. Capitol. Others believe that enough is enough. Whether the election was stolen or not, those people who went to the Capitol went too far in making their point, causing lasting damage at home and abroad. We need to move on.

Which comes closest to your view?

As the results suggest, racism carries the day. The control condition, one where two of the states challenged by Trump were mentioned, there was a 50-50 split between those who believe that contesting the election was justified and those who didn’t. However, when we substitute language in which we hint at race, the distribution shifts: in this condition, roughly 63 percent think the unrest is justified versus 37 percent who don’t, amounting to ~25 percent shift in favor of justification.

While we’re here, who ultimately bears responsibility for the riots? According to Pew, 75 percent of Americans believe that Trumps bears at least some responsibility. However, among Republicans, this figure declines significantly to 52 percent. We sought to examine a similar question among MAGA supporters but we also asked them about the responsibility of other parties in addition to Trump, including The Proud Boys, members of the GOP conference, and Antifa. As the figure shows, barely 30 percent of these respondents believe Trump bears any responsibility whatsoever. However, the assignment of blame attributed to Congressional Republicans and the Proud Boys, increases roughly to 55 and 73 percent, respectively. When it comes to Antifa, though, the numbers are much higher. Here, roughly 95 percent of MAGA supporters believe Antifa bears some responsibility for the riots.

It stands to reason that if this group fails to find fault with Trump when it comes to his role in sparking the riot, they don’t wish to see him punished. We wanted to assess where MAGA ultimately stood on the issue since 57 percent of Americans (in a Reuters/Ipsos Poll) wish to see him impeached, but only 20 percent of Republicans see it that way. In our survey, even fewer MAGA supporters favor impeachment: roughly 4 percent. Why do so few in the MAGA movement support impeachment, even relative to rank-and-file GOP identifiers in the other poll? Well, one place to turn to is how one defines the events of January 6th. We asked our respondents how they’d characterize the events, giving them the following options: protest, riot, coup, rebellion, or insurrection. As it turns out, roughly 60 percent believe that the unrest was simply a protest; roughly 20 percent thought it a riot; 8 percent a coup. So, if one believes it’s a protest, Trump didn’t encourage them to commit an illegal act. If this is indeed the case, then impeachment is unwarranted according to his supporters.

All participants in the second wave of the survey received a list of words that have been used to describe the events of January 6th. Their options were protest, riot, coup, rebellion, and insurrection (we graphed responses here–the most common choice was protest). Next, respondents received an open-ended question asking them to elaborate on their choice. Some wrote a short sentence; others wrote paragraphs. To summarize the themes in these open-ended responses, we used basic automated content analysis techniques. Overall, the most frequently employed words across responses: Trump, peaceful, protest, riot, police, building, rebellions, and election. However, to explore these patterns more systematically, we turned to topic modeling—a technique that reveals clusters of words that were commonly used together. We can think of these topics as the main themes across all of the responses. Instead of surveying the most frequently occurring words, these topics examine the most frequently co-occurring words: words that tend to occur together for all respondents. We display these themes (clusters of words) as word clouds, where the most important terms in each topic are shown in larger font, and colors help group the other words in terms of relative importance. Two main themes emerged across responses: (1) defending protestors and (2) blaming Antifa. These are the two “topics” that ultimately emerge. (Please see the methods page for more details.)

Topic 1(defending protestors) illustrates the principal pattern among responses that focused on explaining the events of 1/6 as a peaceful protest, and the protests were small in numbers (or size). Respondents also referenced the election and Trump’s victory among the majority of people. A few references to the “Left,” Democrats, and antifa were scattered around the periphery of responses. Topic 2 is a reflection of responses that focused on blaming anyone other than Trump supporters. Many responses cast blame on Antifa, BLM (Black Lives Matter), the Democratic party, and the media’s attempts to make Trump’s supporters look bad. Note, however, the prominence of riot and Antifa. Taken together, among other things, the results from topics 1 and 2 suggests the following: that there was one event, one that was a peaceful protest of the election results. There was another event, one that was a riot, in which Antifa, and even BLM protestors, played a central role.

These content analyses help make sense of one of the most puzzling set of findings in our data: MAGA supporter’s views on Capitol rioters and the riot. For instance, MAGA supporters held largely negative views of the riot: majorities disagreed that the assault on the Capitol was justified, or that the rioters were brave patriots. They also agreed that the rioters were criminals and should be prosecuted. Yet, MAGA supporters also believed that rioters had good intentions, preferred to describe the riot as a protest, and assigned little (if any) blame to Trump and other Republicans for the ensuing violence.

Capitol Riot – Panel Study of the MAGA Movement

sites.uw.edu

 

[scruffy]

On January 6, 2021, the violation of the seat of American democracy shocked the world. In an attempt to subvert the democratic process, several hundred Trump supporters stormed the House, sparking a riot, from which the country continues to reel. One of the lasting images from the riot is the presence of the Confederate Battle Flag, by any metric a symbol of racial hatred. Since the rioters were ostensibly there to stop the ratification of an election, one based on the perception of “fraudulent” votes from a handful of states (most of which are home to sizable Black communities), we suspected racism had something to do with why the rioters sought to overturn the election. To test our intuition, in Wave 2 we devised a framing experiment, one with response options that either justified the riots, or thought them unjustified. Respondents were randomly assigned to the following two conditions:

1) Some people believe the election results aren’t valid because of the fraud committed in states like Pennsylvania and Georgia. Simply put, the election was stolen, so it’s easy to understand why Trump supporters showed up to protest at the U.S. Capitol. Others believe that enough is enough. Whether the election was stolen or not, those people who went to the Capitol went too far in making their point, causing lasting damage at home and abroad. We need to move on.

2) Some people believe the election results aren’t valid because of the fraud committed in urban areas like Philadelphia and Atlanta, predominantly minority communities. Simply put, the election was stolen, so it’s easy to understand why Trump supporters showed up to protest at the U.S. Capitol. Others believe that enough is enough. Whether the election was stolen or not, those people who went to the Capitol went too far in making their point, causing lasting damage at home and abroad. We need to move on.

Which comes closest to your view?

As the results suggest, racism carries the day. The control condition, one where two of the states challenged by Trump were mentioned, there was a 50-50 split between those who believe that contesting the election was justified and those who didn’t. However, when we substitute language in which we hint at race, the distribution shifts: in this condition, roughly 63 percent think the unrest is justified versus 37 percent who don’t, amounting to ~25 percent shift in favor of justification.

While we’re here, who ultimately bears responsibility for the riots? According to Pew, 75 percent of Americans believe that Trumps bears at least some responsibility. However, among Republicans, this figure declines significantly to 52 percent. We sought to examine a similar question among MAGA supporters but we also asked them about the responsibility of other parties in addition to Trump, including The Proud Boys, members of the GOP conference, and Antifa. As the figure shows, barely 30 percent of these respondents believe Trump bears any responsibility whatsoever. However, the assignment of blame attributed to Congressional Republicans and the Proud Boys, increases roughly to 55 and 73 percent, respectively. When it comes to Antifa, though, the numbers are much higher. Here, roughly 95 percent of MAGA supporters believe Antifa bears some responsibility for the riots.

It stands to reason that if this group fails to find fault with Trump when it comes to his role in sparking the riot, they don’t wish to see him punished. We wanted to assess where MAGA ultimately stood on the issue since 57 percent of Americans (in a Reuters/Ipsos Poll) wish to see him impeached, but only 20 percent of Republicans see it that way. In our survey, even fewer MAGA supporters favor impeachment: roughly 4 percent. Why do so few in the MAGA movement support impeachment, even relative to rank-and-file GOP identifiers in the other poll? Well, one place to turn to is how one defines the events of January 6th. We asked our respondents how they’d characterize the events, giving them the following options: protest, riot, coup, rebellion, or insurrection. As it turns out, roughly 60 percent believe that the unrest was simply a protest; roughly 20 percent thought it a riot; 8 percent a coup. So, if one believes it’s a protest, Trump didn’t encourage them to commit an illegal act. If this is indeed the case, then impeachment is unwarranted according to his supporters.

All participants in the second wave of the survey received a list of words that have been used to describe the events of January 6th. Their options were protest, riot, coup, rebellion, and insurrection (we graphed responses here–the most common choice was protest). Next, respondents received an open-ended question asking them to elaborate on their choice. Some wrote a short sentence; others wrote paragraphs. To summarize the themes in these open-ended responses, we used basic automated content analysis techniques. Overall, the most frequently employed words across responses: Trump, peaceful, protest, riot, police, building, rebellions, and election. However, to explore these patterns more systematically, we turned to topic modeling—a technique that reveals clusters of words that were commonly used together. We can think of these topics as the main themes across all of the responses. Instead of surveying the most frequently occurring words, these topics examine the most frequently co-occurring words: words that tend to occur together for all respondents. We display these themes (clusters of words) as word clouds, where the most important terms in each topic are shown in larger font, and colors help group the other words in terms of relative importance. Two main themes emerged across responses: (1) defending protestors and (2) blaming Antifa. These are the two “topics” that ultimately emerge. (Please see the methods page for more details.)

Topic 1(defending protestors) illustrates the principal pattern among responses that focused on explaining the events of 1/6 as a peaceful protest, and the protests were small in numbers (or size). Respondents also referenced the election and Trump’s victory among the majority of people. A few references to the “Left,” Democrats, and antifa were scattered around the periphery of responses. Topic 2 is a reflection of responses that focused on blaming anyone other than Trump supporters. Many responses cast blame on Antifa, BLM (Black Lives Matter), the Democratic party, and the media’s attempts to make Trump’s supporters look bad. Note, however, the prominence of riot and Antifa. Taken together, among other things, the results from topics 1 and 2 suggests the following: that there was one event, one that was a peaceful protest of the election results. There was another event, one that was a riot, in which Antifa, and even BLM protestors, played a central role.

These content analyses help make sense of one of the most puzzling set of findings in our data: MAGA supporter’s views on Capitol rioters and the riot. For instance, MAGA supporters held largely negative views of the riot: majorities disagreed that the assault on the Capitol was justified, or that the rioters were brave patriots. They also agreed that the rioters were criminals and should be prosecuted. Yet, MAGA supporters also believed that rioters had good intentions, preferred to describe the riot as a protest, and assigned little (if any) blame to Trump and other Republicans for the ensuing violence.

Capitol Riot – Panel Study of the MAGA Movement

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Hey, you dumb fuckin asshole - it'll happen AGAIN if you dumb fuckers keep trying to shut down the important discussions

YOU ARE NOT THE ARBITER OF TRUTH

As a matter of fact, you're pretty much a stone cold liar.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Use by Donald Trump[edit]​

Further information: Donald Trump 2016 presidential campaign and Trumpism



Donald Trump wearing a "Make America Great Again" cap during his 2016 presidential campaign
In December 2011, Trump made a statement in which he said he was unwilling to rule out running as a presidential candidate in the future, explaining "I must leave all of my options open because, above all else, we must make America great again."[25] Also in December 2011, he published a book using as a subtitle the similar phrase "Making America #1 Again" – which in a 2015 reissue was changed to "Make America Great Again!"[26]


Trump popularized the slogan "Make America Great Again" by stitching it onto his widely distributed cap


On January 1, 2012, a group of Trump supporters filed paperwork with the Texas Secretary of State's office to create the "Make America Great Again Party", which would have allowed Trump to be that party's nominee if he had decided to become a third-party candidate in the 2012 presidential election.[27]Trump himself began using the slogan formally on November 7, 2012, the day after Barack Obama won his reelection against Mitt Romney. By his own account, Trump first considered "We Will Make America Great", but did not feel like it had the right "ring" to it. "Make America Great" was his next slogan idea, but upon further reflection, he felt that it was a slight to America because it implied that America was never great. After selecting "Make America Great Again", Trump immediately had an attorney register it. (Trump later said he was unaware of Reagan's use in 1980 until 2015, but noted that "he didn't trademark it.")[28] On November 12 he signed an application with the United States Patent and Trademark Office requesting exclusive rights to use the slogan for political purposes. It was registered as a service mark on July 14, 2015, after Trump formally began his 2016 presidential campaign and demonstrated that he was using the slogan for the purpose stated on the application.[29][28][30] Trump used the slogan in public as early as August 2013, in an interview with Jonathan Karl.[31]


Banner displaying "Vote To Make America Great Again" on a roadside in California shortly after the November 2016 election

Trump wearing a "Keep America Great" hat in December 2019

During the 2016 campaign, Trump often used the slogan, especially by wearing hats emblazoned with the phrase in white letters, which soon became popular among his supporters.[32] The slogan was so important to the campaign that at one point it spent more on making the hats – sold for $25 each on its website – than on polling, consultants, or television commercials. Millions were sold, and Trump estimated that counterfeit versionsoutnumbered the real hat ten to one. "... but it was a slogan, and every time somebody buys one, that's an advertisement."[28]

Following Trump's election, the website of his presidential transition was established at greatagain.gov.[33] Trump said in 2017 and 2018 that the slogan of his 2020 reelection campaign would be "Keep America Great" and he sought to trademark it.[28][34] However, Trump's 2020 campaign continued to use the "Make America Great Again" slogan.[35] Trump's vice president, Mike Pence, used the phrase "make America great again, again" in his 2020 Republican National Convention speech, garnering ridicule and comparisons to the catchphrase "again-again" from Teletubbies.[36][37] In late 2021, this phrase became the name of a pro-Trump Super-PAC, which was also mocked.[38]

A 2020 executive order, titled "Promoting Beautiful Federal Civic Architecture," was nicknamed "Make Federal Buildings Beautiful Again" by proponents and the press.[39][40][41]

Less than a week after Trump left office, he spoke to advisors about possibly establishing a third party, which he suggested might be named either the "Patriot Party" or "Make America Great Again Party". In his first few days out of office, he also supported Arizona state party chairwoman Kelli Ward, who likewise called for the creation of a "MAGA Party". In late January 2021, the former president viewed the proposed MAGA Party as leverage to prevent Republican senators from voting to convict him during the Senate impeachment trial, and to field challengers to Republicans who voted for his impeachment in the House.[42][43]

Use by hate groups[edit]​

A 2018 study using text mining and semantic network analytics of Twitter text and hashtags networks found that the "#MakeAmericaGreatAgain" and "#MAGA" hashtags were commonly used by white supremacist and white nationalist users, and had been used as "an organizing discursive space" for far-right extremists globally.[68] Other permutations include "Make America White Again"[69] and the nonsense phrase "GAWA."

(full article online)

Make America Great Again - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Sixties Fan]

The former US ambassador to the United Nations and South Carolina governor Nikki Haley told Republicans at a rally for Herschel Walker the Democrat in the Georgia US Senate race, the Rev Raphael Warnock, should be “deported”.

“I am the daughter of Indian immigrants,” Haley said in Hiram, Georgia, on Sunday. “They came here legally, they put in the time, they put in the price, they are offended by what’s happening on [the southern US] border.


“Legal immigrants are more patriotic than the leftists these days. They knew they worked to come into America, and they love America. They want the laws followed in America, so the only person we need to make sure we deport is Warnock.”

Haley is widely seen as a potential candidate for the Republican presidential nomination in 2024, a seemingly imminent declaration from Donald Trump notwithstanding. Her comment drew widespread criticism.

Cornell William Brooks, a Harvard professor and pastor, wrote: “Were it not for civil rights laws Black folks died for, Nikki Haley’s family might not be in America.

“Were it not for a HBCU [historically Black college and university] giving her father his first job in the US, Haley wouldn’t be in a position to insult Georgia’s first Black senator. Warnock’s history makes her story possible.”

Heath Mayo, an anti-Trump conservative, said: “Nikki Haley calling to deport Raphael Warnock perfectly captures how those that should’ve been serious and talented leaders were really just weak toadies ready to say anything for applause. This entire generation of GOP ‘leaders’ failed their test and let the country down.”

Walker and Warnock are locked in a tight race that could decide control of the Senate, currently split 50-50 and controlled by the vote of the vice-president, Kamala Harris. On Monday, the polling website FiveThirtyEight.com put Warnock one point ahead.

Haley also said Walker was “a good person who has been put through the wringer and has had everything but the kitchen sink thrown at him”.

Walker, a former college and NFL football star, has been shown to have made numerous false claims about his business career and personal life. Two women have said he pressured them to have abortions, allegations he denies while campaigning on a stringently anti-abortion platform.

Warnock, a pastor at a church once home to the civil rights leader Martin Luther King, won his Senate seat in January 2021, defeating the Republican Kelly Loeffler in a run-off. That victory and Jon Ossoff’s win over David Perdue for the other Georgia seat gave Democrats their precarious control of the chamber.

Outcry as Republican Nikki Haley says Raphael Warnock should be ‘deported’

Comments from former South Carolina governor and UN ambassador, seen as a potential 2024 presidential candidate, draw widespread criticism

www.theguardian.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

Some 35 percent of Americans—including 68 percent of Republicans—believe the Big Lie, pushed relentlessly by former President Donald Trump and amplified by conservative media, that the 2020 presidential election was stolen. They think that Trump was the true victor and that he should still be in the White House today.

I regularly host focus groups to better understand how voters are thinking about key political topics. Recently, I decided to find out why Trump 2020 voters hold so strongly to the Big Lie.

For many of Trump’s voters, the belief that the election was stolen is not a fully formed thought. It’s more of an attitude, or a tribal pose. They know something nefarious occurred but can’t easily explain how or why. What’s more, they’re mystified and sometimes angry that other people don’t feel the same.



As a woman from Wisconsin told me, “I can’t really put my finger on it, but something just doesn’t feel right.” A man from Pennsylvania said, “Something about it just didn’t seem right.” A man from Arizona said, “It didn’t smell right.”

The exact details of the story vary—was it Hugo Chávez who stole the election? Or the CIA? Or Italian defense contractors? Outlandish claims like these seem to have made this conspiracy theory more durable, not less. Regardless of plausibility, the more questions that are raised, the more mistrustful Trump voters are of the official results.

Perhaps that’s because the Big Lie has been part of their background noise for years.

Remember that Trump began spreading the notion that America’s elections were “rigged” in 2016—when he thought he would lose. Many Republicans firmly believed that the Democrats would steal an election if given the chance. When the 2020 election came and Trump did lose, his voters were ready to doubt the outcome.

Some Trump voters looked at the numbers and couldn’t make sense of them. How could so many more people have voted in 2020 than in 2016? A man from North Carolina, when asked why he thought the election was stolen, said, “There was 10 million more votes for Trump in this last election than he got in 2016. You’re telling me that [Joe] Biden got that many?”

To the extent that Big Lie believers try to explain their skepticism over millions more people voting for Biden than for Trump, they often point to relative crowd sizes at rallies. As the man from North Carolina put it, “I personally went to Trump rallies that were filling stadiums, and then Biden can’t even fill a freaking library. Like, no, it’s not true. I don’t believe it. Don’t buy it.”

Another common refrain is that the votes “flipped” in the middle of Election Night. Trump supporters went to bed thinking that their guy had won and then woke up to a different reality—which to them was startling and deeply suspicious. A woman from Georgia told me, “When I went to bed, Trump was so in the lead and then [I got] up and he’s not in the lead. I mean, that’s crazy.”

Read: Trump’s next coup has already begun

Long before Election Day, the media had warned about a “red mirage” and alerted Americans to the possibility that Trump would have a large lead on Election Night only to have it dissipate as mail-in ballots were counted. But if you were watching Fox News, you probably didn’t hear any of this. Instead, Trump, MAGA-friendly politicians, and conservative media outlets were priming voters to see a conspiracy.

(full article online)

Trump Supporters Explain Why They Believe the Big Lie

For many of Trump’s voters, the belief that the election was stolen is not a fully formed thought. It’s more of an attitude, or a tribal pose.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[22lcidw]

What stock does Hitler come from?

Psychotic power-hungry asses. Whitmer, Cuomo, Newsome and many others who shut down their cities and states. That stock. Murderers they are.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Psychotic power-hungry asses. Whitmer, Cuomo, Newsome and many others who shut down their cities and states. That stock. Murderers they are.

Than almost all governments on the planet are "power hungry......."

Nearly all governments had to close their countries, schools, businesses to stop the covid virus from spreading. Flights in and out.

Sweden did not.


But nearly all governments did realize what a terribly fatal virus it was and that actions needed to be taken.

Here is a list:

More than nine-in-ten people worldwide live in countries with travel restrictions amid COVID-19

The movement of people across borders has halted in much of the world as countries close their borders in response to the coronavirus outbreak.

www.pewresearch.org

But nearly all governments did realize what a terribly fatal virus it was and that actions needed to be taken.


So, most of the countries are for the murder of its population if they close their borders due to a fatal virus which could kill too many of the population?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Psychotic power-hungry asses. Whitmer, Cuomo, Newsome and many others who shut down their cities and states. That stock. Murderers they are.

[When someone knows that a virus is fatal, deadly, and does nothing to take precautions to save lives.......Can one call that a murderer?]


As early as 28 January 2020, Robert O’Brien, the national security adviser, gave him a “jarring” warning, informing the president that Covid-19 would be the “biggest national security threat” of his presidency. Trump’s head “popped up”, the book says.

Three days later, Trump announced restrictions on travel from China, although the virus was already in the United States.

On 7 February he told Woodward in a phone call: “It goes through the air. That’s always tougher than the touch. You don’t have to touch things. Right? But the air, you just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed. And so that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flus.”

He added: “This is deadly stuff.”

But February, in the view of Woodward and many other analysts, was a wasted month. On 27 February, Trump said publicly: “It’s going to disappear. One day – it’s like a miracle – it will disappear.” In a tweet on 9 March, he explicitly compared it to the common flu, noting that “Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on” in flu season. “Think about that!”

(full article online )

Trump knew Covid was deadly but wanted to ‘play it down’, Woodward book says

US president gave Bob Woodward 18 interviews, forming basis of new book Rage, and said of virus: ‘This is deadly stuff’

www.theguardian.com

 

[surada]

Psychotic power-hungry asses. Whitmer, Cuomo, Newsome and many others who shut down their cities and states. That stock. Murderers they are.

Trump knew COVID was deadly in late January.

 

[maybelooking]

Than almost all governments on the planet are "power hungry......."

Nearly all governments had to close their countries, schools, businesses to stop the covid virus from spreading. Flights in and out.

Sweden did not.


But nearly all governments did realize what a terribly fatal virus it was and that actions needed to be taken.

Here is a list:

More than nine-in-ten people worldwide live in countries with travel restrictions amid COVID-19

The movement of people across borders has halted in much of the world as countries close their borders in response to the coronavirus outbreak.

www.pewresearch.org

But nearly all governments did realize what a terribly fatal virus it was and that actions needed to be taken.


So, most of the countries are for the murder of its population if they close their borders due to a fatal virus which could kill too many of the population?

"everyone over reacted so its fine that we did too" is not a real great argument.

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[OKTexas]

[When someone knows that a virus is fatal, deadly, and does nothing to take precautions to save lives.......Can one call that a murderer?]


As early as 28 January 2020, Robert O’Brien, the national security adviser, gave him a “jarring” warning, informing the president that Covid-19 would be the “biggest national security threat” of his presidency. Trump’s head “popped up”, the book says.

Three days later, Trump announced restrictions on travel from China, although the virus was already in the United States.

On 7 February he told Woodward in a phone call: “It goes through the air. That’s always tougher than the touch. You don’t have to touch things. Right? But the air, you just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed. And so that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flus.”

He added: “This is deadly stuff.”

But February, in the view of Woodward and many other analysts, was a wasted month. On 27 February, Trump said publicly: “It’s going to disappear. One day – it’s like a miracle – it will disappear.” In a tweet on 9 March, he explicitly compared it to the common flu, noting that “Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on” in flu season. “Think about that!”

(full article online )

Trump knew Covid was deadly but wanted to ‘play it down’, Woodward book says

US president gave Bob Woodward 18 interviews, forming basis of new book Rage, and said of virus: ‘This is deadly stuff’

www.theguardian.com

And xiden has allowed 5 million people from all over the world to come into the country with zero covid testing. He also tried to throw out title 42 which is used to deport them. So perhaps you should focus on the regime that is endangering Americans right now. But I have no delusions about people like you, if it doesn't fit your commie narrative, it doesn't exist, RIGHT???

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[Sixties Fan]

 

[Sixties Fan]

[ MAGA talk ]

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[BluesLegend]

P R O J E C T I O N

Dem NAZI's calling their opponents NAZI's

 

[BluesLegend]

I'm amazed you sheeple who want to return to bought and paid for politicians who trade your jobs to foreign countries to line their own pockets. Who jack up taxes on you then use the money to buy votes.

 

[Sixties Fan]