Zone1 "Let His Blood be on us and on our children" said the Jews at Jesus's trial

[notmyfault2020]

Jews were the people Jesus berated, censured, and rebuked.

Of course, Jews of the temple schema 2000 years ago and earlier were the ones who made enemies of their neighbors, subverted the law of their most beloved prophet, worshiped idols, and preached an erroneous salvation.

I don't know that today's rabbinic and Talmudic Jews fit into that depiction per se, but Christians have no reason to regard them any differently than they regard any other people who don't follow Christ.

well, this is one of the crititicism i have of Vatican II, they began teaching that any religion can save, even Islam apparently. What a crock. Jesus said that HE is the way and that no one comes to the FAther except through Him, something the Catholic Church taught for 1962 years (and still does teach in the Society of St Pius X [pope]).

Both Catholics and Protestants are bewildered and/or angry at the fake pope Francis teaching this and other Vatican II heresies. The Church needs to totally renounce that Council, which was not a dogmatic Council anyway.

 

[notmyfault2020]

The New Testament writings have done unspeakable damage to the Jewish people. They have propagated the idea the Jews are inferior, that G-d is angry with them, and that such a “horrid” people will be damned.

Just listen to the rantings of the antisemites on this forum, spewing their contempt for the Jewish people. It is all rooted in the New Testament.

Are you virtue signalling or something?

Again, who on this forum .. or this thread anyhow.. has said anything horrific agains the Jews?

no one that I know of

 

[surada]

Didn't Ruth have some Jewish blood?

norwegen

Nope. There's a verse about how no Moabite can enter the temple for 10 generations.

Moab was one of Lot's sons by his daughters.

DEUTERONOMY 23:3 KJV An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation...

Deuteronomy 23:3 KJV: An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever:

www.kingjamesbibleonline.org

 

[notmyfault2020]

Mt 27:25


Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And all the people answered, and they said, “His blood be upon us and upon our children.”

Contemporary English Version
Everyone answered, "We and our own families will take the blame for his death!"

Douay-Rheims Bible
And the whole people answering, said: His blood be upon us and our children.

 

[Lisa558]

Our beliefs come from scripture, not tradition.

Our beliefs come from scripture as well - the Old Testament.

 

[Lisa558]

Was that true before the Babylonian exile?

I'm thinking of Ruth the Moabite.

Ruth converted to Judaism.

 

[notmyfault2020]

Ruth converted to Judaism.

That was a tad before the time of Christ

 

[Lisa558]

Paul was a Benjamite, raised as a Jew, whether you like it or not.

What difference does it make? He was the main trouble-maker.

 

[hobelim]

Strange position concerning a religion that endorses the "mutilation" of infant sexual organs, the sacrifice of animals at a firey altar, and had its its beginnings grounded in a Human Sacrifice (Abraham's son) attempt. Speaking of ignorant and superstititous.......can the blowing of a horn actually bring down stone walls? And does stoning of an adulterer really a fit the crime? How about using the blood of animals to protect infants from death by using the blood as paint on your front door? Is that the LAW you are speaking of?

I suspect that those who defend killing the only begotten of the Father.......are those who have not entered a temple since Moses was a baby floating down the Nile, just as are the majority of those who claim Judaism as a RACE of PEOPLES and are in actuality.....more secular than the Christians they are constantly attacking.....with money as their real "god". Could be why those who profess Judaism vote liberal and refuse to defend their supposed home land in the middle east, but follow the free handouts of the democrat party over their supposed "Heritage" of Judaism.

Strange position? Damn. Maybe I wasn't clear enough. The Jewish people should be honored, screw thanked, for having the faith and courage over the centuries to reject, even when faced with death, the false edible triune mangod that you worship, a fake counterfeit Jesus conjured from the depths of hell by Rome in 325. c.e., setting the only righteous example for intelligent people who love God and truth to follow when confronted by pure evil.

 

[Lisa558]

That was a tad before the time of Christ

So? The question was about whether Ruth had to convert since she was born of a gentile mother. The answer is: yes, and she did.

 

[Lisa558]

Strange position concerning a religion that endorses the "mutilation" of infant sexual organs, the sacrifice of animals at a firey altar, and had its its beginnings grounded in a Human Sacrifice (Abraham's son) attempt. Speaking of ignorant and superstititous.......can the blowing of a horn actually bring down stone walls? And does stoning of an adulterer really a fit the crime? How about using the blood of animals to protect infants from death by using the blood as paint on your front door? Is that the LAW you are speaking of?

I suspect that those who defend killing the only begotten of the Father.......are those who have not entered a temple since Moses was a baby floating down the Nile, just as are the majority of those who claim Judaism as a RACE of PEOPLES and are in actuality.....more secular than the Christians they are constantly attacking.....with money as their real "god". Could be why those who profess Judaism vote liberal and refuse to defend their supposed home land in the middle east, but follow the free handouts of the democrat party over their supposed "Heritage" of Judaism.

^^^ Antisemitism is alive and well.

 

[surada]

Ruth converted to Judaism.

norwegen

I don't remember that in the story. She was a Moabite.

Here's some information on the relationship between Schofield and Samuel Untermyer.

Darby’s Rapture Theory

Within these pages you will discover the awesome truth about God, our Father, His Word, His Plan for the ages, and His Creation through His Son, that you most likely have not heard elsewhere.

godskingdom.org

 

[Lisa558]

Oh wow. Hey, nutz and Clyde 154 all of Jesus' disciples were JEWS.

What is even going on here?

They are so antisemitic that they can’t admit they were Jews.

 

[surada]

So? The question was about whether Ruth had to convert since she was born of a gentile mother. The answer is: yes, and she did.

Funny. Deuteronomy says they are cursed to the 10th generation.

DEUTERONOMY 23:3 KJV An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation...

Deuteronomy 23:3 KJV: An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever:

www.kingjamesbibleonline.org

 

[Woodznutz]

norwegen

Nope. There's a verse about how no Moabite can enter the temple for 10 generations.

Moab was one of Lot's sons by his daughters.

DEUTERONOMY 23:3 KJV An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation...

Deuteronomy 23:3 KJV: An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever:

www.kingjamesbibleonline.org

Ruth was an Israelite (most certainly a Judahite) who lived in the land previously occupied by the Moabites that had retained the name Moab. (The same was true for the "woman at the well" and the "woman of Canaan" in the NT. They were both Israelites.)

The Moabites had been driven out of "Moab" three hundred years before the time of Ruth.

Ruth was an Israelite; Ruth was not a Moabite by Race | Christogenea.org

Ruth was an Israelite; Ruth was not a Moabite by Race | Christogenea audio recordings are usually accompanied with written commentaries or sources.

christogenea.org

 

[Lisa558]

Are you virtue signalling or something?

Again, who on this forum .. or this thread anyhow.. has said anything horrific agains the Jews?

no one that I know of

You’re the one quoting lies from the NT cursing the Jews. And you don’t think that’s horrific? Haven‘t enough millions of Jews be slaughtered as a result of the anti-Jew hatred brought on by those versus enough for you?

 

[Lisa558]

Funny. Deuteronomy says they are cursed to the 10th generation.

DEUTERONOMY 23:3 KJV An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation...

Deuteronomy 23:3 KJV: An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever:

www.kingjamesbibleonline.org

Nope. She converted before her second marriage. She was Jewish.

I never heard anything about being cursed to the 10th generation. I guess we Jewish kids aren’t taught things like that. Only gentiles looking for negativity about Jews seem to find it.

Ruth: Midrash and Aggadah | Jewish Women's Archive

Midrash views Ruth very positively, describing her as beautiful, modest, and virtuous. The Rabbis also link Ruth with other revered women, such as Sarah and Rebekah, furthering her portrayal as an exemplary biblical woman. Despite her mother-in-law’s suspicion about the circumstances of her...

jwa.org

 

[surada]

Nope. She converted before her second marriage. She was Jewish.

I never heard anything about being cursed to the 10th generation. I guess we Jewish kids aren’t taught things like that. Only gentiles looking for negativity about Jews seem to find it.

Ruth: Midrash and Aggadah | Jewish Women's Archive

Midrash views Ruth very positively, describing her as beautiful, modest, and virtuous. The Rabbis also link Ruth with other revered women, such as Sarah and Rebekah, furthering her portrayal as an exemplary biblical woman. Despite her mother-in-law’s suspicion about the circumstances of her...

jwa.org

You've never studied Deuteronomy 23:3???

 

[Woodznutz]

Our beliefs come from scripture as well - the Old Testament.

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[Woodznutz]

What difference does it make? He was the main trouble-maker.

The point is that not all "Jews" were Judahites.