Let the nation default?

[editec]

IF Congress allows the USA to default?

Then it truly is time for a revolution.

BECAUSE?

Because then CONGRESS has refused to do its constitutional responsibility and we citizens really have NO CHOICE but to take charge and reconstitute a FUNCTIONAL GOVERNMENT.

 

[Geaux4it]

IF Congress allows the USA to default?

Then it truly is time for a revolution.

BECAUSE?

Because then CONGRESS has refused to do its constitutional responsibility and we citizens really have NO CHOICE but to take charge and reconstitute a FUNCTIONAL GOVERNMENT.

I'm down

-Geaux

 

[zeke]

In just under a week Boehner has finally caved to the radical right wing and decided to put the nation's faith and credit at risk.













Boehner says U.S. on path to default if Obama won't negotiate

Boehner: U.S. Republicans will not pass 'clean' debt-limit increase - Yahoo Finance

So there you have it. Since Obama will not "talk" to him about unfunding a legally passed law, Boehner is willing to sink the entire nation's credit.

The GOP is like a bunch of whiny fucking kids.

Is it any wonder the GOP got their asses handed to them in 2012 and will again in 2014 and 2016?

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This is just scary to me. What the Tea baggers don't seem to understand is that no matter what, the debt ceiling MUST be raised. It does not matter what spending programs get cut. Defaulting on our debt is the worst possible scenario no matter what dems or repubs agree to.

No..The federal government could easily make the necessary cuts.
All that needs to be done is take the baseline budget increases for all depts which receive discretionary spending and cut the increases for each dept by 50%...
Each dept would get an increase. Not just as large. Problem solved.
But of course with a free spending socialist in the WH and democrats in the Senate concerned only with their freeloading constituencies would never consider such "Draconian" ( democrats word) cuts. Event though it's not a cut. It's a reduction of a scheduled increase.
Only[B] on planet liberal can an increase be deemed a cut.[/B]
Scary? You're God damned right it's scary. It's scary when almost half the population's hair starts to fall out because they believe government will suddenly not be there to care for them.

Do you make up all of you own bullshit? Or do you have help? Better yet, do you believe all your own bullshit? I hope not.

BTW, you need to make up your mind. Is an increase a decrease if the increase is not as much as planned? You know, like your idea above.

But I will tell you what is scary. The stupidity of people like you who want to use the governments ability to function and pay our bills as a negotiating chip to change or remove existing law.

How you gonna like it when the Dems shut the government down and refuse to pay our bills if the ultra wealthy don't get a 5% tax increase. Or how about shut er down if assault weapons are not banned. There are a LOT of things the Dems might want to use the shut down for. Won't it be great when the Dems do it?

One day the Dems will be in the majority in the House. You sure you want this idea of default and shutting down the government to be used against Repugs in the future?

 

[candycorn]

If the nation defaults, it's because the Democrats chose not to pay the bills.

The House controls the purse strings and the Republicans control the house.

Fail.

 

[candycorn]

IF Congress allows the USA to default?

Then it truly is time for a revolution.

BECAUSE?

Because then CONGRESS has refused to do its constitutional responsibility and we citizens really have NO CHOICE but to take charge and reconstitute a FUNCTIONAL GOVERNMENT.

Definitely time to perfect our flawed Constitution.

 

[The Rabbi]

If the nation defaults, it's because the Democrats chose not to pay the bills.

The House controls the purse strings and the Republicans control the house.

Fail.

So why haven't they defunded Obamacare, genius?

 

[The Rabbi]

Part of me says yes, let the nation default if that's what the Republicans want.

The other part of me, the Patriotic part says no, we cannot let the nation default.

Maybe Obama can find some way of not letting the nation default.

Perhaps he can defend unilaterally raising the debt ceiling to fund all existing payments that need to be made, but nothing more.

Once all spending is paid for by raising the debt ceiling, then Obama will have no excuse to raise the debt ceiling again, as all spending will be funded..except for interest on the debt.

The Constitution gives the House of Representatives sole authority to raise debt. Now of course Obama has trashed the Constitution before. And I expect he will again. But if he does it this time and it is allowed to stand then we have essentially a dictatorship. And it's time for the 3rd American Revoliution.

If the GOP loons allow the US to default...then their party is over. The Tea baggers will be the victims.

It is Obama and Reid who are obstructing solutions to the problem, allowing for default. And if it happens we will all be victims.

 

[Old Rocks]

If the nation defaults, it's because the Democrats chose not to pay the bills.

We have a partial govt. shutdown because Boehner refuses to let the House vote on the Senate bills.

If we have a debt default, it will be for the same reason.

no, it more the responsibility of the dems and obama because their ego is tied to obamacare

The ACA stands. You want it removed, vote enough people in to the Senate and House to remove it. Otherwise, the hell with all of you. If we cave on this, what will your next demand be? You don't cave to extortion.

 

[zeke]

U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK
The Outstanding Public Debt as of 06 Oct 2013 at 10:57:19 PM GMT is:
$ 1 6 , 7 5 3 , 0 9 5 , 4 3 7 , 8 7 0 . 6 9

The estimated population of the United States is 316,793,721
so each citizen's share of this debt is $52,883.29.

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$1.85 billion per day since September 30, 2012!
Concerned? Then tell Congress and the White House!

Hey I can pay my portion of the debt. I take it you can't. Get a job. That would be a start.

 

[Old Rocks]

The Constitution gives the House of Representatives sole authority to raise debt. Now of course Obama has trashed the Constitution before. And I expect he will again. But if he does it this time and it is allowed to stand then we have essentially a dictatorship. And it's time for the 3rd American Revoliution.

If the GOP loons allow the US to default...then their party is over. The Tea baggers will be the victims.

It is Obama and Reid who are obstructing solutions to the problem, allowing for default. And if it happens we will all be victims.

It is idiots like you that want to encourage legislative extortion. Cannot be allowed.

 

[The Rabbi]

If the GOP loons allow the US to default...then their party is over. The Tea baggers will be the victims.

It is Obama and Reid who are obstructing solutions to the problem, allowing for default. And if it happens we will all be victims.

It is idiots like you that want to encourage legislative extortion. Cannot be allowed.

"Legislative extortion"=legislative process.
This is how things get done, by negotiation. When has Obama and the Dems agreed to negotiate?

 

[Old Rocks]

2014, in November.

 

[zeke]

We have a partial govt. shutdown because Boehner refuses to let the House vote on the Senate bills.

If we have a debt default, it will be for the same reason.

no, it more the responsibility of the dems and obama because their ego is tied to obamacare

The ACA stands. You want it removed, vote enough people in to the Senate and House to remove it. Otherwise, the hell with all of you. If we cave on this, what will your next demand be? You don't cave to extortion.

I agree. But if the Dems do cave, I hope they have enough sense that when the Dems hold the House again, that the Dems will hold the country hostage over......banning assault weapons. Or universal back ground checks. Or tax increases on the ultra wealth.

I mean just think of the possibilities offered by using the shut down of government and default on debt as a means of getting your way.

It will be so great. Won't it you rethugs?

 

[zeke]

It is Obama and Reid who are obstructing solutions to the problem, allowing for default. And if it happens we will all be victims.

It is idiots like you that want to encourage legislative extortion. Cannot be allowed.

"Legislative extortion"=legislative process.
This is how things get done, by negotiation. When has Obama and the Dems agreed to negotiate?

Fuck the idea of negotiating with ignorant Rethugs. Much better to learn from Rethugs how to default on debt and blame the other party. Dems could do that also. Or better to learn how to get what you want by shutting down government. Dems are watching how this plays out.

No the idea of "negotiating" is just so normal. Fuck normal.

 

[Jackson]

Both parties are going to have to negotiate. No more playing chicken. It's time to put their big boy pants on and stop playing games with the American people's future.

 

[Hoffstra]

letting the nation default on its debt should NEVER be an option.

Dow Jones is down to 14,881 because of this crap.

 

[Jackson]

letting the nation default on its debt should NEVER be an option.

Dow Jones is down to 14,881 because of this crap.

I agree, Hoffstra. There should be a Group of Eight (Sound familiar? Four from each party) that would meet to determine the following:

The ACA would be put on hold until it could be reviewed and changed to accommodate all Americans (INCLUDING CONGRESS, who would not get waivers). It would have cost under or the same as the original estimates, the budget would be funded and the debt ceiling be increased for one year.

What do you think? After the initial statement was made, the entire Congress would have input and be voting on each part of the ACA.

 

[zeke]

Both parties are going to have to negotiate. No more playing chicken. It's time to put their big boy pants on and stop playing games with the American people's future.

Negotiate over what?

I take it that you are an advocate of using the nations full faith credit and operations as tactics to be used in ALL negotiations?

I mean, if it's good enough for Republicans to use, you won't have a problem with the Dems using the same tactics. Would that be a correct statement?

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

Yea, but there is this little thing called insolvency.

Edit: The UK have laws about it.

United Kingdom insolvency law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If the US government is insolvent, it doesn't have enough income to pay it's obligations and it is bankrupt. The US is not insolvent. It merely has to cut down on the frills a tiny bit. No more 100 million dollar vacations for instance. That 300 million the US is giving to the Syrian terrorists, that gets scratched off the list. Likewise another 300 million to Palestinians. Egypt is getting 250 million.

Then there are the parties, junkets, bonuses (for doing an ordinary job) and the useless studies like how fast a shrimp can run on a treadmill. Government waste costs 16 Billion dollars a year.

Government Spending Waste: 25 Wasteful Items - Business Insider

There there are 160 agencies that duplicate the work of other agencies wasting billions more.
GAO finds billions in wasteful, duplicative federal spending - The Hill's RegWatch

In reality, we cannot continue to borrow money just to pay the interest on the money we borrowed last time while we fritter away our income. No one can. No person, no business, no country can.

The US government is not insolvent and can pay its bills.

I wouldn't count on that, if I were you. Buy U.S. war bonds. Or just stick your head between your knees.

 

[DaGoose]

In just under a week Boehner has finally caved to the radical right wing and decided to put the nation's faith and credit at risk.

Republican House Speaker John Boehner vowed on Sunday not to raise the U.S. debt ceiling without a "serious conversation" about what is driving the debt, while Democrats said it was irresponsible and reckless to raise the possibility of a U.S. default.

Democratic Senator Charles Schumer told ABC's "This Week" he did not believe Boehner would let the nation go into default, as it would lead to chaos on financial markets, freeze lines of credit and cause a jump in interest rates.

Boehner says U.S. on path to default if Obama won't negotiate

Boehner: U.S. Republicans will not pass 'clean' debt-limit increase - Yahoo Finance

So there you have it. Since Obama will not "talk" to him about unfunding a legally passed law, Boehner is willing to sink the entire nation's credit.

The GOP is like a bunch of whiny fucking kids.

Is it any wonder the GOP got their asses handed to them in 2012 and will again in 2014 and 2016?

.

Listen, Fool
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8FcVrehkpo]Obama says adding $4 trillion to debt is unpatriotic - YouTube[/ame]

Hmmm....I listened to it more than once and did not hear him say that a small faction of wacko politicians SHUTTING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT to keep a law that has been deemed legal from being implemented was proper?

Perhaps you can tell me where he said it..........fool.

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