Lets all remember al gore....in 2006, shall we?

[Mushroom]

And, I have to ask then: we're in a public internet discussion forum. Neither you, nor sealybobo nor I nor (to my knowledge) any regular posters here are scientists. How then, and by whose authority, has this conversation been restricted to matters scientific?

Oh, so are you admitting this discussion is not scientific at all?

 

[Mushroom]

"The majority of Americans see some fairly severe environmental harms as likely to happen over the next 30 years,"

And if you went back 200 years, the majority of Americans would have stated that blacks were inferior, and women not emotionally mature enough to be able to handle the responsibility to vote.

SO that alone should tell you exactly how much I care about the opinion of the mobs.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Al Gore isn't a climate scientist but he got the big picture long before most people.
Did you know that the GOP is only mayor political party in the WORLD that still denies global climate change.

Did you know that calling people "deniers" immediately identifies you as a Cultist?

 

[Crick]

Oh, so are you admitting this discussion is not scientific at all?

I was looking for an answer but you seem the type not to provide them.

 

[Crick]

And if you went back 200 years, the majority of Americans would have stated that blacks were inferior, and women not emotionally mature enough to be able to handle the responsibility to vote.

Irrelevant to anything under discussion

SO that alone should tell you exactly how much I care about the opinion of the mobs.

It tells us that you like to inflame them.

And I guess that you found MiB profound.

What might any of this have to do with Al Gore in 2006? That is what USMB rules dictate our conversation in this thread should be centered about.

Crick said:
"The majority of Americans see some fairly severe environmental harms as likely to happen over the next 30 years,"

You have put a quotation from poster sealybobo under my nick.

 

[AMart]

And if you went back 200 years, the majority of Americans would have stated that blacks were inferior, and women not emotionally mature enough to be able to handle the responsibility to vote.

SO that alone should tell you exactly how much I care about the opinion of the mobs.

I don't think your post is going to age very well lol.

 

[ding]

Oh boy here we go again. Suddenly debt matters to Republicans again

Ron DeSantis and Chris Christie Call Out Trump for Adding to Federal Debt​

"He owes it to you to defend his record where they added $7.8 trillion to the debt that set the stage for the inflation that we have."​

It's always mattered to me. Maybe you should divorce yourself from politics and marry yourself to common sense. Especially since there's a good chance you will get to experience the predictable surprises which are inevitable.

 

[ding]

I don't think your post is going to age very well lol.

Probably better than the climate doomsday predictions will age.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

I don't think your post is going to age very well lol.

Are you joking?
White democrats right now insist that blacks are inferior.

 

[Mushroom]

It tells us that you like to inflame them.

"Inflame them".

Once again, you avoid any serious discussion of the actual facts, and hurl out attacks and insults.

Have a nice day.

 

[Mushroom]

Probably better than the climate doomsday predictions will age.

Remember when many of the exact same people were looking at the exact same data, and claiming that humans were causing a new ice age to start?

I am, that was the claim they were making 50 years ago, when we were having record cold snaps in much of Europe and the US. Then it became warming when things then got hotter a decade or so later. Then it just became "climate change", because it then went down again, breaking their predictions.

The climate has always changed, it always will. And does anybody even remember what this thread is actually about?

Exactly how well have any of those "predictions" aged?

 

[ding]

Remember when many of the exact same people were looking at the exact same data, and claiming that humans were causing a new ice age to start?

I am, that was the claim they were making 50 years ago, when we were having record cold snaps in much of Europe and the US. Then it became warming when things then got hotter a decade or so later. Then it just became "climate change", because it then went down again, breaking their predictions.

The climate has always changed, it always will. And does anybody even remember what this thread is actually about?

Exactly how well have any of those "predictions" aged?

I think the thing people are missing is that glacial periods seems to be triggered by a threshold temperature. Which means it's most likely dues to salinity changes which cause a disruption to heat transport to the Arctic and accentuated by orbital cycles.

 

[ding]

What say you, IS_JESS_AN_ACCOUNT ?

You are supposedly an intelligent poster, right? Please share your learned opinion on this subject.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Remember when many of the exact same people were looking at the exact same data, and claiming that humans were causing a new ice age to start?

I am, that was the claim they were making 50 years ago, when we were having record cold snaps in much of Europe and the US. Then it became warming when things then got hotter a decade or so later. Then it just became "climate change", because it then went down again, breaking their predictions.

The climate has always changed, it always will. And does anybody even remember what this thread is actually about?

Exactly how well have any of those "predictions" aged?

Aerosols were supposedly enlarging a hole in the ozone layer and potentially freezing the planet.
It gave us products and commercials like this…

 

[Mushroom]

I think the thing people are missing is that glacial periods seems to be triggered by a threshold temperature. Which means it's most likely dues to salinity changes which cause a disruption to heat transport to the Arctic and accentuated by orbital cycles.

Which is one of the leading theories for the Younger Dryas. Large amounts of meltwater from the North American glaciers breaking through ice dams on both coasts and causing a huge amount of desalinity that affected the ocean currents.

And any that have studied geology will also know of the Messinian Salinity Crisis, and how that affected the climate. A case where geology impacted the planet and resulted in much higher temperatures and humidity globally.

 

[Mushroom]

Aerosols were supposedly enlarging a hole in the ozone layer and potentially freezing the planet.

Another laugh.

Ozone holes happen every single year, they have known about this for only a century now.

In fact, I do not even have to do any research to know that right now there is a large ozone hole over Antarctica. And in a few months one will form over the Arctic.

Magic.

 

[ding]

Which is one of the leading theories for the Younger Dryas. Large amounts of meltwater from the North American glaciers breaking through ice dams on both coasts and causing a huge amount of desalinity that affected the ocean currents.

And any that have studied geology will also know of the Messinian Salinity Crisis, and how that affected the climate. A case where geology impacted the planet and resulted in much higher temperatures and humidity globally.

I hear that but wonder if that wasn’t a weak orbital forcing which every 4th cycle is and the last one was.

The transition to glacial periods looks to have been at a slightly higher temperature than present.

The other suspect is solar minimum.

 

[Mushroom]

I hear that but wonder if that wasn’t a weak orbital forcing which every 4th cycle is and the last one was.

The transition to glacial periods looks to have been at a slightly higher temperature than present.

The other suspect is solar minimum.

Like most things, it is likely a combination of several factors. No one by itself was enough, but all at the same time was more than enough stress on the system to cause it to shift.

 

[ding]

Like most things, it is likely a combination of several factors. No one by itself was enough, but all at the same time was more than enough stress on the system to cause it to shift.

I think that makes sense. It’s way more complex than CO2.

 

[Mushroom]

I think that makes sense. It’s way more complex than CO2.

Simple people want simple answers. Poverty causes crime, whites are racists, government steals money, the President is a criminal (take your pick there of which one), the MIC runs everything, Communism and Socialism work, yadda-yadda-yadda. I see all of those and more as largely children who see everything in only black and white.

So of course many flock to "CO2 is bad and will kill the planet". Simple answer. Of course, none can really come up with a solution. Such as how we are going to support a population of almost 8 billion people without the output of CO2 and other gasses.

Of course, most would also be horrified to learn that I believe the only way to reduce that to a negligible number is to reduce the human population back to 19th century levels. No more than around a billion people.

See why I laugh whenever people call me a "denier"? That is actually my belief. And eventually it likely will happen. We dodged the bullet with COVID, but eventually a much more lethal virus will break out, and likely cut the population of the planet in half. With no other predators, disease is the most likely way the planet will cull our numbers.

So I guess I am a denier that things are only going to get a hell of a lot worse, and it will require the deaths of 7/8 of the population to return CO2 to a manageable number. Of course, that culling will also have the effect of the survivors moving to better farmland, and the deforestation of the rainforests will end. And likely within two generations will be approaching their largest size since pre-history.