Let’s Arm Teachers. Yeah, That’s a Peachy Idea (Eye Roll)

[miketx]

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The gun nuts are out in force.
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They forgot to mention those soldiers were UNARMED!

I am highly trained in nuclear weapons, but that does me no good if you are shooting at me!

She didn't forget, she wants more dead kids.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Had someone had a gun the shooter would have been dropped.

In this case, balls would have been enough. The security apparently was too ball-less to confront the shooter.

Stop going after people's rights because your heroes completely sucked at preventing the shooting.

Wrong.

Obviously you know nothing about shooting pistols, the training and experience required, and the inherent difficulty involved in being even moderately accurate.

When I first shot with my wife, I had her hitting the target at 20 feet inside a box of shells, and she had never shot a gun. You are a proven liar over and over.

I read that as "When I first shot my wife...."

Oops!

 

[miketx]

Had someone had a gun the shooter would have been dropped.

In this case, balls would have been enough. The security apparently was too ball-less to confront the shooter.

Stop going after people's rights because your heroes completely sucked at preventing the shooting.

Wrong.

Obviously you know nothing about shooting pistols, the training and experience required, and the inherent difficulty involved in being even moderately accurate.

When I first shot with my wife, I had her hitting the target at 20 feet inside a box of shells, and she had never shot a gun. You are a proven liar over and over.

I read that as "When I first shot my wife...."

Oops!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

There was a coach who died shielding kids with his unarmed body. Had he had a gun, it would have been much different.

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I get a charge out of people who live surreptitiously through others.

You are using the wrong word here. Try again.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Had someone had a gun the shooter would have been dropped.

In this case, balls would have been enough. The security apparently was too ball-less to confront the shooter.

Stop going after people's rights because your heroes completely sucked at preventing the shooting.

Wrong.

Obviously you know nothing about shooting pistols, the training and experience required, and the inherent difficulty involved in being even moderately accurate.

When I first shot with my wife, I had her hitting the target at 20 feet inside a box of shells, and she had never shot a gun. You are a proven liar over and over.

I read that as "When I first shot my wife...."

Oops!

Was she.....nekkid?

 

[harmonica]

Had someone had a gun the shooter would have been dropped.

In this case, balls would have been enough. The security apparently was too ball-less to confront the shooter.

Stop going after people's rights because your heroes completely sucked at preventing the shooting.

Wrong.

Obviously you know nothing about shooting pistols, the training and experience required, and the inherent difficulty involved in being even moderately accurate.

I once went to a shooting range with a friend of mine who was in the secret service. My shooting was far more accurate than his, and I had not touched a weapon since I was a teenager. He really got pissed off when he couldn't beat my accuracy.

Shooting just isn't that hard. Even a snowflake can learn to handle a weapon.

...you see these shooting videos where people make incredible shots--they have time to aim/and or practice a lot
...they are not running, stopping, running...the target is stationary PAPER
...or I've seen shooters hit discs that are shot low to the ground---it's ejected at about the same speed and height--so the shooter knows where it will be, and practices shooting it a lot--this is ''trick'' shooting.......
...we trained for ''quick'' shooting with M16A2s where you don't use the sights
this can be done well--with training--lots of training

Listen, shooters in gun free zones, you know the places you want to remain in place, always expect defenseless people that they can kill easily. But you are twisting every truth and half truth to keep it that way! I'd bet your sorry lying ass money that the first shooter shot and killed by an armed person in a school would stop a lot of this crap!

...humans always have and always will murder--this is a fact
...there have been how many criminals shot by cops?--but people still keep committing crime.....the blacks keep resisting/not complying with guns POINTED AT them
..I'm ok with arming some teachers, if they want--but this problem has to be attacked from MANY angles/aspects--not just one

...the teacher with a firearm can ''possibly'' save many---but usually many will be killed before they can do anything--

 

[percysunshine]

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Whenever a mass shooting occurs, the first words out of the mouths of conservatives is, “We need more guns in the hands of civilians.” Or something like it.

It’s that unreasonable conservative mind-set, that forces them to believe the fairy tale that untrained civilians know instinctively, where the gunfire is located, immediately recognize the individual(s) doing the shooting, and have the steel nerves and iron will to confront and kill the shooter(s), without hesitation or concern for their own safety.

What so often proves this unreasonable mind-set of the conservatives to be a total fantasy is the choice by trained law enforcement officers to avoid exacerbating an already uncontrolled situation. This can be seen no better than in the shooting incident last week at Florida’s Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

In addition to the school resource officer from the Broward County Sheriff’s office Scot Peterson, Coral Springs police officers arriving at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, found three additional Broward County Sheriff’s Deputies who had not yet entered the building.

Sadly, these four men apparently remained outside while directing Coral Springs police officers to the building where the shooting took place, even as the Coral Springs officers entered, joined by two newly arrived Broward County Deputies.

It is likely there will be a whitewash of this incident as “Sources cautioned that tapes are currently being reviewed and official accounts could ultimately differ from recollections of officers on the scene.” Gotta CYA to protect the county and themselves from the inevitable lawsuits.

But the coming whitewash aside, this again proves that “Rambo” instinct, which most conservatives are certain they posses, is a fairy tale they use to fool themselves.

As it turns out, Deputy Peterson was eligible for retirement. So one must wonder if that didn’t enter into his decision to remain outside. He had, after all, survived his career in law enforcement long enough to retire from the Sheriff’s Department. Like Peterson, the three other deputies could very well have had second thoughts, making them unsure of the results were they to rush headlong into the unknown.

Conservatives who are certain they have that “Rambo” instinct, like to think they are courageous hero-types and are capable of single-handedly saving the day. But, there is a good reason law enforcement agencies have SWAT teams. The officers who are members of these teams train and retrain regularly. They wear protective gear, have available to them fully automatic weapons, are experts in their use, and in the use of other military-style equipment.

The four experienced officers who were armed with only pistols chose caution and did not rush into the unknown situation. But, conservatives expect teachers armed only with pistols and minimal training to jump in and face killers firing their AR-15s at anything that moves.

It’s unfortunate these conservatives calling for the arming of teachers are so certain of this “Rambo” instinct. If it does exist, it does so only in a tiny, tiny percentage of regular citizens (most of whom must have death wishes).

As people of reason know, these conservatives are nothing more than “keyboard warriors”. They are brave beyond all else, but only when safely typing their attacks, anonymously. The truth is, they are too old, or too fat, or are out of shape, or too slow and crippled-up, or would freeze in fear, or any combination there of, to truly be the heroes they’ve convinced themselves they would be. They are the “Monday morning quarterbacks” of mass shooting response, and all of them would hesitate or totally freeze when called upon to weigh the threat of their own death against defending strangers. Just as the four Broward County Deputies did. No Rambos there.

As always, thoughtful comments are welcome. Unfortunately, in the conservatives' responses to this thread we can expect only their typical nonsense, denial, alternate facts, and off-topic silliness. (e.g. non-sequiturs, ratings, transference, memes, etc.), to which any reply is a waste of time.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies/index.html

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/coward-sheriffs-deputy-one-four-12079659







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'Whenever a mass shooting occurs, the first words out of the mouths of conservatives is, “We need more guns in the hands of civilians.” Or something like it.'

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Conservatives do not say that. Care to share with us your definitition of the word 'conservative'?

 

[jknowgood]

So, NaziCons like Trump and the NRA now want to arm teachers. That's funny...and ironic...

 

[jknowgood]

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[percysunshine]

Had someone had a gun the shooter would have been dropped.

In this case, balls would have been enough. The security apparently was too ball-less to confront the shooter.

Stop going after people's rights because your heroes completely sucked at preventing the shooting.

Wrong.

Obviously you know nothing about shooting pistols, the training and experience required, and the inherent difficulty involved in being even moderately accurate.

When I first shot with my wife, I had her hitting the target at 20 feet inside a box of shells, and she had never shot a gun. You are a proven liar over and over.

I read that as "When I first shot my wife...."

Oops!

Was she.....nekkid?

Psst...I happen to be reading the original book. It is 'Torrey'

 

[harmonica]

Had someone had a gun the shooter would have been dropped.

In this case, balls would have been enough. The security apparently was too ball-less to confront the shooter.

Stop going after people's rights because your heroes completely sucked at preventing the shooting.

Wrong.

Obviously you know nothing about shooting pistols, the training and experience required, and the inherent difficulty involved in being even moderately accurate.

I once went to a shooting range with a friend of mine who was in the secret service. My shooting was far more accurate than his, and I had not touched a weapon since I was a teenager. He really got pissed off when he couldn't beat my accuracy.

Shooting just isn't that hard. Even a snowflake can learn to handle a weapon.

...you see these shooting videos where people make incredible shots--they have time to aim/and or practice a lot
...they are not running, stopping, running...the target is stationary PAPER
...or I've seen shooters hit discs that are shot low to the ground---it's ejected at about the same speed and height--so the shooter knows where it will be, and practices shooting it a lot--this is ''trick'' shooting.......
...we trained for ''quick'' shooting with M16A2s where you don't use the sights
this can be done well--with training--lots of training

Listen, shooters in gun free zones, you know the places you want to remain in place, always expect defenseless people that they can kill easily. But you are twisting every truth and half truth to keep it that way! I'd bet your sorry lying ass money that the first shooter shot and killed by an armed person in a school would stop a lot of this crap!

it would be a lot better to stop the shooters from being able to shoot before they get to the school--yes??

 

[miketx]

Had someone had a gun the shooter would have been dropped.

In this case, balls would have been enough. The security apparently was too ball-less to confront the shooter.

Stop going after people's rights because your heroes completely sucked at preventing the shooting.

Wrong.

Obviously you know nothing about shooting pistols, the training and experience required, and the inherent difficulty involved in being even moderately accurate.

I once went to a shooting range with a friend of mine who was in the secret service. My shooting was far more accurate than his, and I had not touched a weapon since I was a teenager. He really got pissed off when he couldn't beat my accuracy.

Shooting just isn't that hard. Even a snowflake can learn to handle a weapon.

...you see these shooting videos where people make incredible shots--they have time to aim/and or practice a lot
...they are not running, stopping, running...the target is stationary PAPER
...or I've seen shooters hit discs that are shot low to the ground---it's ejected at about the same speed and height--so the shooter knows where it will be, and practices shooting it a lot--this is ''trick'' shooting.......
...we trained for ''quick'' shooting with M16A2s where you don't use the sights
this can be done well--with training--lots of training

Listen, shooters in gun free zones, you know the places you want to remain in place, always expect defenseless people that they can kill easily. But you are twisting every truth and half truth to keep it that way! I'd bet your sorry lying ass money that the first shooter shot and killed by an armed person in a school would stop a lot of this crap!

it would be a lot better to stop the shooters from being able to shoot before they get to the school--yes??

Of course it would you idiot, but as any moron can see, it's not working when the police and FBI ignore the guy! Why are you so opposed to having someone have a last resort to save themselves and others? I know why, I just want to hear your excuse.

 

[miketx]

Had someone had a gun the shooter would have been dropped.

In this case, balls would have been enough. The security apparently was too ball-less to confront the shooter.

Stop going after people's rights because your heroes completely sucked at preventing the shooting.

Wrong.

Obviously you know nothing about shooting pistols, the training and experience required, and the inherent difficulty involved in being even moderately accurate.

I once went to a shooting range with a friend of mine who was in the secret service. My shooting was far more accurate than his, and I had not touched a weapon since I was a teenager. He really got pissed off when he couldn't beat my accuracy.

Shooting just isn't that hard. Even a snowflake can learn to handle a weapon.

...you see these shooting videos where people make incredible shots--they have time to aim/and or practice a lot
...they are not running, stopping, running...the target is stationary PAPER
...or I've seen shooters hit discs that are shot low to the ground---it's ejected at about the same speed and height--so the shooter knows where it will be, and practices shooting it a lot--this is ''trick'' shooting.......
...we trained for ''quick'' shooting with M16A2s where you don't use the sights
this can be done well--with training--lots of training

Listen, shooters in gun free zones, you know the places you want to remain in place, always expect defenseless people that they can kill easily. But you are twisting every truth and half truth to keep it that way! I'd bet your sorry lying ass money that the first shooter shot and killed by an armed person in a school would stop a lot of this crap!

...humans always have and always will murder--this is a fact
...there have been how many criminals shot by cops?--but people still keep committing crime.....the blacks keep resisting/not complying with guns POINTED AT them
..I'm ok with arming some teachers, if they want--but this problem has to be attacked from MANY angles/aspects--not just one

...the teacher with a firearm can ''possibly'' save many---but usually many will be killed before they can do anything--

Since arming teachers hasn't been done hardly anywhere, how is it you all about the outcome? Oh and by the way, some school is Texas are armed and guess what? No shootings. No go ahead and smoke and blubber....

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

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The gun nuts are out in force.
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You do realize the soldiers dont carry firearms right?

 

[miketx]

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The gun nuts are out in force.
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You do realize the soldiers dont carry firearms right?

She does, she's a another blood dancing liar.

 

[bripat9643]

Had someone had a gun the shooter would have been dropped.

In this case, balls would have been enough. The security apparently was too ball-less to confront the shooter.

Stop going after people's rights because your heroes completely sucked at preventing the shooting.

Wrong.

Obviously you know nothing about shooting pistols, the training and experience required, and the inherent difficulty involved in being even moderately accurate.

I once went to a shooting range with a friend of mine who was in the secret service. My shooting was far more accurate than his, and I had not touched a weapon since I was a teenager. He really got pissed off when he couldn't beat my accuracy.

Shooting just isn't that hard. Even a snowflake can learn to handle a weapon.

wrong--you are shooting at PAPER!!!
I've shot at competitions before and have fired a lot
the ''trained'' police are notorious for being inaccurate:

•At least 2,623 bullets were fired by police in 435 shootings. In 235 of those incidents, officers struck at least one person; in another 200 shootings, officers missed entirely.

92 deaths, 2,623 bullets: Tracking every Chicago police shooting over 6 years
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-police...hit-the-target-What-should-be-done-about-that
HARSH REALITY: Police Are Not Highly Trained Firearms Experts
much info here:
https://cops.usdoj.gov/pdf/deadly-force-statistical-analysis.pdf
etc etc

If the cops can't do it, then what's your objection to allowing civilians to give it a try?

 

[Brain357]

Had someone had a gun the shooter would have been dropped.

In this case, balls would have been enough. The security apparently was too ball-less to confront the shooter.

Stop going after people's rights because your heroes completely sucked at preventing the shooting.

You understand even if he had balls the shooter could shoot everyone he sees right? The officer would have been outgunned and would have to worry about hitting kids. Lots of kids would have died even if he had balls... Meanwhile when was the last school shooting in the UK?

 

[harmonica]

Had someone had a gun the shooter would have been dropped.

In this case, balls would have been enough. The security apparently was too ball-less to confront the shooter.

Stop going after people's rights because your heroes completely sucked at preventing the shooting.

Wrong.

Obviously you know nothing about shooting pistols, the training and experience required, and the inherent difficulty involved in being even moderately accurate.

I once went to a shooting range with a friend of mine who was in the secret service. My shooting was far more accurate than his, and I had not touched a weapon since I was a teenager. He really got pissed off when he couldn't beat my accuracy.

Shooting just isn't that hard. Even a snowflake can learn to handle a weapon.

wrong--you are shooting at PAPER!!!
I've shot at competitions before and have fired a lot
the ''trained'' police are notorious for being inaccurate:

•At least 2,623 bullets were fired by police in 435 shootings. In 235 of those incidents, officers struck at least one person; in another 200 shootings, officers missed entirely.

92 deaths, 2,623 bullets: Tracking every Chicago police shooting over 6 years
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-police...hit-the-target-What-should-be-done-about-that
HARSH REALITY: Police Are Not Highly Trained Firearms Experts
much info here:
https://cops.usdoj.gov/pdf/deadly-force-statistical-analysis.pdf
etc etc

If the cops can't do it, then what's your objection to allowing civilians to give it a try?

I'm ok with teachers being armed --if they want...
but is this the type of living/community we want?

 

[harmonica]

...from his attitude after the shooting and this quote, it looks like he was exactly a whimpy punk--cops could've gone in there and taken him ''easily''

'Cruz admitted that as students began to flee on foot he decided to plan to discard the AR-15 and vest with additional magazines so he could blend in with the crowd.'

Cop who pursued Tsarnaev brothers criticizes Florida cops | Daily Mail Online
he had more ammo and didn't use it
has anyone else seen this quote from a different source?

 

[Thinker101]

Had someone had a gun the shooter would have been dropped.

In this case, balls would have been enough. The security apparently was too ball-less to confront the shooter.

Stop going after people's rights because your heroes completely sucked at preventing the shooting.

Wrong.

Obviously you know nothing about shooting pistols, the training and experience required, and the inherent difficulty involved in being even moderately accurate.

I once went to a shooting range with a friend of mine who was in the secret service. My shooting was far more accurate than his, and I had not touched a weapon since I was a teenager. He really got pissed off when he couldn't beat my accuracy.

Shooting just isn't that hard. Even a snowflake can learn to handle a weapon.

wrong--you are shooting at PAPER!!!
I've shot at competitions before and have fired a lot
the ''trained'' police are notorious for being inaccurate:

•At least 2,623 bullets were fired by police in 435 shootings. In 235 of those incidents, officers struck at least one person; in another 200 shootings, officers missed entirely.

92 deaths, 2,623 bullets: Tracking every Chicago police shooting over 6 years
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-police...hit-the-target-What-should-be-done-about-that
HARSH REALITY: Police Are Not Highly Trained Firearms Experts
much info here:
https://cops.usdoj.gov/pdf/deadly-force-statistical-analysis.pdf
etc etc

If the cops can't do it, then what's your objection to allowing civilians to give it a try?

I'm ok with teachers being armed --if they want...
but is this the type of living/community we want?

May not be the type of community we want, but I also don't want to live in a community where an individual can kill 17 kids.