Liberal logic on IDs and voting

[Redfish]

Seriously?

You are posting this even though there were lines in many states where people were waiting over 6 hours to cast a vote.

Gotta love it.

Daily Kos: Fox News ridicules Desiline Victor, the 102 year old who stood in line to vote

those waits were due to the shortage of voting machines and poll workers, it had nothing to do with ID's.

Not yet.

So introducing another layer of difficulty into a system that can't handle would do what?

horseshit. you walk up to the table say your name and then show your ID, it takes 10 seconds.

try as you may, you can never come up with a valid argument as to why voters should not have to prove who they are before voting.

 

[Redfish]

I just find it really bizarre people who think they are conservatives are demanding completely unnecessary new laws and government intervention which will do absolutely nothing to stop voter fraud and which only succeeds in making it more difficult to exercise a constitutional right. I find this obession with identity papers very troubling.

Our country is being hijacked by totalitarians left and right.

No new laws are being proposed. just show that same ID to vote that you showed to register. Why is that a problem?

Getting the ID.
Getting the ID challenged at the polling station.
Not enough workers to check.

what % of the population has no ID or any way to get one? I am sure the DNC would run a taxi service to get its voters an ID.

why would it be challenged? it has a picture, you have a face. no problem unless you are trying to vote with someone else's ID.

Funny how the dem run precincts are the ones that are always short of poll workers. can you explain that.

 

[ClosedCaption]

are those poor on welfare, food stamps, or medicaid? If so, they have an ID

Getting an ID is no more difficult that getting to the polling place, if you can get to the polling place you can get an ID
Not one of you can tell us how many legal voters in the USA do not have some form of ID. How many are there? do you know? do you care?

Using your logic there should be no ID requirement to buy booze because it discriminates against those over 21 who have no ID. Are you bitching about that law too?

It an unnecessary rule...Why not have everyone close their eyes and touch their nose because that will be just as effective as ID's

You couldn't explain why they would restrict the early voting times. Let me guess? That's going to stop fraud.

No, its going to stop the poor from having more time to vote. And that's the real goal but republicans want to piss on everyone and get mad when we see urine and don't call it rain.

They want less people to vote, less time, more rules and all just to stand in the way of Americans rights. Go freedom!

Wrong on all counts. Early voting is fine, but if its too early it deprives some voters of last minute election developments and information on the candidates. or do you favor an ignorant voting base?

Find one person making that argument. They want to make it hard as possible for people to vote. No one who votes early ever said they wish they had less time. Save that "doing it for their own good" crap

republicans and conservatives want everyone to vote, but just once per election and only if they are alive on election day.

How will ID and stopping early voting stop either one. Show some links, we all know you can spin a yarn and make up something real quick

democrats want to be able to buy the elections......

Fuck outta here lets hear about YOU and what YOU want...Stop projecting

 

[Redfish]

We need an ID to drive, to get on a plane, to get into a bar, to buy a beer, to buy cigs, to sign up for welfare, to get food stamps, to use your medicade card but you want us to believe that people are to poor to get a FREE ID ( they are free you know for voting) to vote but they can get every where else to use the money they get FREE from the government GOTTCHA... Oh forgot you need an ID to get finger nail polish remover in some areas .. YEP

This illogical fallacy is getting really tired.

I can demonstrate that showing an ID is the only way to prove someone is of legal drinking age, but you cannot show that Voter ID is the only way to prevent or catch voter fraud. In fact, you cannot show any actual voter fraud which could only have been caught or prevented by Voter ID.

Why is it that Voter ID scares the panties off of liberals so badly?

In my precinct, the good volunteers behind the table have a listing of every registered voter in that precinct. It also has our address listed. You tell them your name and they flip to your page and you sign your name on the dotted line before being given a ballot. This is of course after you show them your photo ID. They know that each person who walks in to vote is exactly who they say they are and can prove it and actually lives in the precinct. There is no voter fraud at the ballot box in my state because you simply can't walk up and say you are Joe Blow and demand a ballot. It has absolutely nothing to do with race or income and everything to do with being who you say you are as a registered voter in that precinct. Why is that so scary to liberals?

they can't explain it. they just feeeeeeeeeeeeeel like its evil.

 

[depotoo]

So lets see. your name is Joe Blow. you are registered to vote. on election day I walk into your voting place and say I am Joe Blow. Since no ID is required, I vote.

an hour later you show up to vote, the poll worker looks at you and says "you already voted Mr Blow". Easy, now multiply that by several million and an election can be stolen.

No, its never happened as far as we know, but it could.

Now, your turn. Who in the USA in 2013 does not have some form of ID?

So again, why are you requiring ID for something that isn't happening?

It not only isn't happening, it cannot happen. With the number of fraudulent votes needed to swing an election (Redfish imagines MILLIONS), it would be caught immediately, without Voter ID.

It is a mastubatory fantasy of Voter ID proponents. They imagine such a thing happening, and so want Voter ID to stop this imaginary scenario.

It does not get more illogical than that!

you forget we have electors that place the vote for the federal election, so , no , it wouldn't take millions, nor with local or state elections. Many times elections locally are won by just a few votes.

 

[Redfish]

It an unnecessary rule...Why not have everyone close their eyes and touch their nose because that will be just as effective as ID's

You couldn't explain why they would restrict the early voting times. Let me guess? That's going to stop fraud.

No, its going to stop the poor from having more time to vote. And that's the real goal but republicans want to piss on everyone and get mad when we see urine and don't call it rain.

They want less people to vote, less time, more rules and all just to stand in the way of Americans rights. Go freedom!

Wrong on all counts. Early voting is fine, but if its too early it deprives some voters of last minute election developments and information on the candidates. or do you favor an ignorant voting base?

Find one person making that argument. They want to make it hard as possible for people to vote. No one who votes early ever said they wish they had less time. Save that "doing it for their own good" crap

republicans and conservatives want everyone to vote, but just once per election and only if they are alive on election day.

How will ID and stopping early voting stop either one. Show some links, we all know you can spin a yarn and make up something real quick

democrats want to be able to buy the elections......

Fuck outta here lets hear about YOU and what YOU want...Stop projecting

what do I want? for every citizen to be able to vote in every election if they choose to. For every voter to prove his/her identity before casting a ballot. For our election process to be fair to everyone. For those here illegally to be denied the rights afforded to citizens. For dead people and convicted felons to not be allowed to vote. For each voter to vote only once and in only one place. For those with no ID to be issued one free of charge.

which of those things do you object to?

 

[ClosedCaption]

Wrong on all counts. Early voting is fine, but if its too early it deprives some voters of last minute election developments and information on the candidates. or do you favor an ignorant voting base?

Find one person making that argument. They want to make it hard as possible for people to vote. No one who votes early ever said they wish they had less time. Save that "doing it for their own good" crap



How will ID and stopping early voting stop either one. Show some links, we all know you can spin a yarn and make up something real quick

democrats want to be able to buy the elections......

Fuck outta here lets hear about YOU and what YOU want...Stop projecting

what do I want? for every citizen to be able to vote in every election if they choose to. For every voter to prove his/her identity before casting a ballot. For our election process to be fair to everyone. For those here illegally to be denied the rights afforded to citizens. For dead people and convicted felons to not be allowed to vote. For each voter to vote only once and in only one place. For those with no ID to be issued one free of charge.

which of those things do you object to?

All that is happening right now. If it not broke don't fix it. Why are you trying to fix something that's not broken and fits your list of needs above. To hurt the less fortunate

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

Everybody knows Voter ID is just an excuse to keep black people from voting.

There's been very little evidence of voter fraud anywhere.

 

[chikenwing]

Everybody knows Voter ID is just an excuse to keep black people from voting.

There's been very little evidence of voter fraud anywhere.

That could only be true if only blacks were ID'ed

 

[Redfish]

Find one person making that argument. They want to make it hard as possible for people to vote. No one who votes early ever said they wish they had less time. Save that "doing it for their own good" crap



How will ID and stopping early voting stop either one. Show some links, we all know you can spin a yarn and make up something real quick



Fuck outta here lets hear about YOU and what YOU want...Stop projecting

what do I want? for every citizen to be able to vote in every election if they choose to. For every voter to prove his/her identity before casting a ballot. For our election process to be fair to everyone. For those here illegally to be denied the rights afforded to citizens. For dead people and convicted felons to not be allowed to vote. For each voter to vote only once and in only one place. For those with no ID to be issued one free of charge.

which of those things do you object to?

All that is happening right now. If it not broke don't fix it. Why are you trying to fix something that's not broken and fits your list of needs above. To hurt the less fortunate

In this state it is, we have had voter ID for years. Nothing to fix in the states that already have voter ID.

Why does voter ID hurt the less fortunate? 99.999% of them have ID's in order to get govt benefits. I really don't understand why you object to requiring voters to prove who they are before voting, and you have yet to tell us who specifically would be harmed.

The only possible explanation is that you support corruption in the voting process and that voter ID makes corruption more difficult.

 

[Seawytch]

We need an ID to drive, to get on a plane, to get into a bar, to buy a beer, to buy cigs, to sign up for welfare, to get food stamps, to use your medicade card but you want us to believe that people are to poor to get a FREE ID ( they are free you know for voting) to vote but they can get every where else to use the money they get FREE from the government GOTTCHA... Oh forgot you need an ID to get finger nail polish remover in some areas .. YEP

So let me get this straight...you want someone who has registered to vote, providing ID at the time of that registration and that ID was cleared through a statewide system, to also present a state issued photo ID (something 11% of the population does not have) each time they vote in order to stop the 0.00001% of "voter fraud" that would be stopped by photo ID but balk at a background check and freak out at the idea of a gun registry?

How about a compromise? Free photo SS cards and an ID requirement in exchange for background checks on all gun purchases?

 

[Redfish]

Everybody knows Voter ID is just an excuse to keep black people from voting.

There's been very little evidence of voter fraud anywhere.

Blacks don't have ID's?????? Really???

do a google on acorn and voter fraud----there was a lot of it in 08 and 12.

 

[Redfish]

We need an ID to drive, to get on a plane, to get into a bar, to buy a beer, to buy cigs, to sign up for welfare, to get food stamps, to use your medicade card but you want us to believe that people are to poor to get a FREE ID ( they are free you know for voting) to vote but they can get every where else to use the money they get FREE from the government GOTTCHA... Oh forgot you need an ID to get finger nail polish remover in some areas .. YEP

So let me get this straight...you want someone who has registered to vote, providing ID at the time of that registration and that ID was cleared through a statewide system, to also present a state issued photo ID (something 11% of the population does not have) each time they vote in order to stop the 0.00001% of "voter fraud" that would be stopped by photo ID but balk at a background check and freak out at the idea of a gun registry?

How about a compromise? Free photo SS cards and an ID requirement in exchange for background checks on all gun purchases?

11% with no ID????????????? prove it or admit to a lie.

we already have background checks on all legal gun purchases. But you will never be able to do a background check when one gangbanger sells a gun to another gangbanger.

 

[ClosedCaption]

what do I want? for every citizen to be able to vote in every election if they choose to. For every voter to prove his/her identity before casting a ballot. For our election process to be fair to everyone. For those here illegally to be denied the rights afforded to citizens. For dead people and convicted felons to not be allowed to vote. For each voter to vote only once and in only one place. For those with no ID to be issued one free of charge.

which of those things do you object to?

All that is happening right now. If it not broke don't fix it. Why are you trying to fix something that's not broken and fits your list of needs above. To hurt the less fortunate

In this state it is, we have had voter ID for years. Nothing to fix in the states that already have voter ID.

Why does voter ID hurt the less fortunate? 99.999% of them have ID's in order to get govt benefits. I really don't understand why you object to requiring voters to prove who they are before voting, and you have yet to tell us who specifically would be harmed.

The only possible explanation is that you support corruption in the voting process and that voter ID makes corruption more difficult.

So after 3-4 exchanges with you you cant say why the ID is "needed" other than because I want it.

Again, to stop as many people as possible from voting. Unless you remember a good reason some other time

 

[ClosedCaption]

We need an ID to drive, to get on a plane, to get into a bar, to buy a beer, to buy cigs, to sign up for welfare, to get food stamps, to use your medicade card but you want us to believe that people are to poor to get a FREE ID ( they are free you know for voting) to vote but they can get every where else to use the money they get FREE from the government GOTTCHA... Oh forgot you need an ID to get finger nail polish remover in some areas .. YEP

So let me get this straight...you want someone who has registered to vote, providing ID at the time of that registration and that ID was cleared through a statewide system, to also present a state issued photo ID (something 11% of the population does not have) each time they vote in order to stop the 0.00001% of "voter fraud" that would be stopped by photo ID but balk at a background check and freak out at the idea of a gun registry?

How about a compromise? Free photo SS cards and an ID requirement in exchange for background checks on all gun purchases?

11% with no ID????????????? prove it or admit to a lie.

we already have background checks on all legal gun purchases. But you will never be able to do a background check when one gangbanger sells a gun to another gangbanger.

Studies show that as many as 11 percent of eligible voters do not have government-issued photo ID.

Voter ID | Brennan Center for Justice


But you don't care about that? Now on to your next perpetual ignorance act.

Wha!?? When? Where? Why? Who?...

 

[Redfish]

All that is happening right now. If it not broke don't fix it. Why are you trying to fix something that's not broken and fits your list of needs above. To hurt the less fortunate

In this state it is, we have had voter ID for years. Nothing to fix in the states that already have voter ID.

Why does voter ID hurt the less fortunate? 99.999% of them have ID's in order to get govt benefits. I really don't understand why you object to requiring voters to prove who they are before voting, and you have yet to tell us who specifically would be harmed.

The only possible explanation is that you support corruption in the voting process and that voter ID makes corruption more difficult.

So after 3-4 exchanges with you you cant say why the ID is "needed" other than because I want it.

Again, to stop as many people as possible from voting. Unless you remember a good reason some other time

how many times do you need it explained? voter ID is to ensure that each registered voter votes once in the precinct where he or she is registered and to minimize the possibility of fraud. No one wants to keep people from voting, we just want the process as corruption free as possible. Why don't you want corruption kept out of voting?

your failed dem/lib talking points about keeping people from voting have once again FAILED.

 

[Redfish]

So let me get this straight...you want someone who has registered to vote, providing ID at the time of that registration and that ID was cleared through a statewide system, to also present a state issued photo ID (something 11% of the population does not have) each time they vote in order to stop the 0.00001% of "voter fraud" that would be stopped by photo ID but balk at a background check and freak out at the idea of a gun registry?

How about a compromise? Free photo SS cards and an ID requirement in exchange for background checks on all gun purchases?

11% with no ID????????????? prove it or admit to a lie.

we already have background checks on all legal gun purchases. But you will never be able to do a background check when one gangbanger sells a gun to another gangbanger.

Studies show that as many as 11 percent of eligible voters do not have government-issued photo ID.

Voter ID | Brennan Center for Justice


But you don't care about that? Now on to your next perpetual ignorance act.

Wha!?? When? Where? Why? Who?...

sorry, but a left wing blogger does not make your case.

 

[ClosedCaption]

11% with no ID????????????? prove it or admit to a lie.

we already have background checks on all legal gun purchases. But you will never be able to do a background check when one gangbanger sells a gun to another gangbanger.

Studies show that as many as 11 percent of eligible voters do not have government-issued photo ID.

Voter ID | Brennan Center for Justice


But you don't care about that? Now on to your next perpetual ignorance act.

Wha!?? When? Where? Why? Who?...

sorry, but a left wing blogger does not make your case.

Of course not, why believe anyone when you confirmation bias wont allow it anyway

 

[ClosedCaption]

A good number of these people, particularly seniors, function well with the IDs they have long had — such as Medicaid cards, Social Security cards or bank cards. Among the elderly, many of them have banked at the same branch for so long that tellers recognize them without needing to see their IDs. They also may rarely need to cash or deposit checks, relying instead on the direct depositing of Social Security and pension payments.

"The people we're finding are very poor people, people who never drove — and it's surprising how many people are like that," says Larry Dupuis of the American Civil Liberties Union of Wisconsin, which has filed suit to overturn that state's voter ID law. "They tend to be older people, often women. They also never had a need for a state ID card. There are many things you don't need an ID card for that people think you actually need one for."

Why New Photo ID Laws Mean Some Won't Vote : NPR


Blah!! We still need ID's because we need ID's!

 

[ClosedCaption]

So when the two read about a new state law requiring S.C. citizens to have a photo ID before voting, they knew they needed to get to work.

"I said, 'Oh my God, do we know so many people who don't have photo IDs, thousands of people who've come through our practice,' " Williams said. "These are decent, honest people."

Now, the two find themselves in the midst of a new voting-rights movement - one that seeks to ensure that the elderly are not turned away from the polls in November.

According to the S.C. Election Commission, 178,175 registered voters do not have photo IDs. Before now, pollworkers did not - in fact, could not, in recent decades - require one.

Read more here: S.C. husband-and-wife doctor couple at center of voting-rights movement | Local News | MyrtleBeachOnline.com

Who cares? The GOP don't give a fuck about if its hard or not...make it harder and when someone asks why just say "because care about Americans" while trying to keep a straight face