francoHFW
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But he ACTUALLY got out of Iraq. Pubs have lately shown they wouldn't have. Chickenhawk douchebags....![evil :evil: :evil:](/styles/smilies/evil.gif)
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Bush was President for 8 years and the deficit went up 6 trillion dollars. The left HOWLED like mad about that, insisting it was all bad debt.
Obama is President 4 years and the deficit went up 6 trillion dollars ( twice as fast as under Bush) the Rating for debt in the Country was cut because Obama and the Dems won't cut spending. And that is GOOD debt according to the Left.
They whined about Bush and still do, while praising Obama who has doubled down on everything Bush did. Same laws, double the spending, same wars plus more. And still Bush's debt was worse then Obama spending it TWICE as fast.
Liberal Logic seems a bit mixed up?
Bush was President for 8 years and the deficit went up 6 trillion dollars. The left HOWLED like mad about that, insisting it was all bad debt.
Obama is President 4 years and the deficit went up 6 trillion dollars ( twice as fast as under Bush) the Rating for debt in the Country was cut because Obama and the Dems won't cut spending. And that is GOOD debt according to the Left.
They whined about Bush and still do, while praising Obama who has doubled down on everything Bush did. Same laws, double the spending, same wars plus more. And still Bush's debt was worse then Obama spending it TWICE as fast.
Liberal Logic seems a bit mixed up?
The odd part is that most of the spending under Bush was under a progressive super majority.
Bush was President for 8 years and the deficit went up 6 trillion dollars. The left HOWLED like mad about that, insisting it was all bad debt.
Obama is President 4 years and the deficit went up 6 trillion dollars ( twice as fast as under Bush) the Rating for debt in the Country was cut because Obama and the Dems won't cut spending. And that is GOOD debt according to the Left.
They whined about Bush and still do, while praising Obama who has doubled down on everything Bush did. Same laws, double the spending, same wars plus more. And still Bush's debt was worse then Obama spending it TWICE as fast.
Liberal Logic seems a bit mixed up?
The odd part is that most of the spending under Bush was under a progressive super majority.
That's such bullshit.
The odd part is that most of the spending under Bush was under a progressive super majority.
That's such bullshit.
Well 2006 November elections are not that difficult to look up..
I'm stating facts...
Presidents don't legislate - congress does.
Progressives just do as they're told by their "dear leader."
Bush was President for 8 years and the deficit went up 6 trillion dollars. The left HOWLED like mad about that, insisting it was all bad debt.
Obama is President 4 years and the deficit went up 6 trillion dollars ( twice as fast as under Bush) the Rating for debt in the Country was cut because Obama and the Dems won't cut spending. And that is GOOD debt according to the Left.
They whined about Bush and still do, while praising Obama who has doubled down on everything Bush did. Same laws, double the spending, same wars plus more. And still Bush's debt was worse then Obama spending it TWICE as fast.
Liberal Logic seems a bit mixed up?
The odd part is that most of the spending under Bush was under a progressive super majority.
That's such bullshit.
That's such bullshit.
Well 2006 November elections are not that difficult to look up..
I'm stating facts...
Presidents don't legislate - congress does.
Progressives just do as they're told by their "dear leader."
Bush was in office from 2001-2009.
The "progressive super-majority" as you call it was in office for 2 of those years.
I know math isn't your strong point.
Obama derangement goes on as evidenced by the pitiful excuses given for defending Obama's 6 trillion versus Bush's in TWICE the time.
By the way when if ever did Obama actually sign a Budget for the Country and not a continuing resolution?
We get it you think debt is good anytime YOU spend it but bad when it is not for your pet projects.
As for cutting the deficit Obama keeps asking for MORE, his own party refused to vote for a single one of his budget requests in the Senate. By the way? Obama ended nothing. Iraq was scheduled to end BY Bush. All Obama did is carry out the time line. Even though he promised in 2008 to end the Iraq war as soon as he was President. To end the Afghan war as soon as he was President and to close Gitmo as soon as he was President.
Not only did he do NONE of that, he tried to try terrorists caught by the military in Federal Courts, even though they had been given none of the protections under Federal law to be tried there. he got spanked on that TWICE. He started 3 more wars with out even asking Congress for permission. I don't recall any whines from the left on the war Powers act then, or the cost in money or lives. He supported the very terror organization that flew planes into 3 buildings.
He assassinated an American citizen with out EVER even charging him with a crime. Ohh ya and his 16 year old son.
He signed the Patriot Act every time the Democrats in Congress renewed it. He ask for and signed laws allowing him to illegally use the military inside the US for police work. He supports and demands that 12 million illegal Mexicans be made legal. He refuses to close the border, meaning if he gets his amnesty the next 10 million will flock in expecting the same thing.
His DOJ ran 2 illegal gun scams that let thousands of weapons go to Mexico to drug cartels with absolutely no way to ever track them, they didn't even inform the Mexican Government they were doing it. And now we have a member of one of the Cartels claiming the DOJ gave his Cartel immunity to BUY the guns and run drugs into the US for information on other cartels.
He violated the Constitution with Obama Care and an illegal appointment that requires Senate approval. He made a Presidential signing statement that clearly states he will violate the very law h signed cause he doesn't agree with it. He will chose when to hire 4 Czars the Congress specifically told him he can not pay for. He stated he will ignore parts of the law because he doesn't like them. And you people cheer him on.
Obama derangement goes on as evidenced by the pitiful excuses given for defending Obama's 6 trillion versus Bush's in TWICE the time.
By the way when if ever did Obama actually sign a Budget for the Country and not a continuing resolution?
We get it you think debt is good anytime YOU spend it but bad when it is not for your pet projects.
As for cutting the deficit Obama keeps asking for MORE, his own party refused to vote for a single one of his budget requests in the Senate. By the way? Obama ended nothing. Iraq was scheduled to end BY Bush. All Obama did is carry out the time line. Even though he promised in 2008 to end the Iraq war as soon as he was President. To end the Afghan war as soon as he was President and to close Gitmo as soon as he was President.
Not only did he do NONE of that, he tried to try terrorists caught by the military in Federal Courts, even though they had been given none of the protections under Federal law to be tried there. he got spanked on that TWICE. He started 3 more wars with out even asking Congress for permission. I don't recall any whines from the left on the war Powers act then, or the cost in money or lives. He supported the very terror organization that flew planes into 3 buildings.
He assassinated an American citizen with out EVER even charging him with a crime. Ohh ya and his 16 year old son.
He signed the Patriot Act every time the Democrats in Congress renewed it. He ask for and signed laws allowing him to illegally use the military inside the US for police work. He supports and demands that 12 million illegal Mexicans be made legal. He refuses to close the border, meaning if he gets his amnesty the next 10 million will flock in expecting the same thing.
His DOJ ran 2 illegal gun scams that let thousands of weapons go to Mexico to drug cartels with absolutely no way to ever track them, they didn't even inform the Mexican Government they were doing it. And now we have a member of one of the Cartels claiming the DOJ gave his Cartel immunity to BUY the guns and run drugs into the US for information on other cartels.
He violated the Constitution with Obama Care and an illegal appointment that requires Senate approval. He made a Presidential signing statement that clearly states he will violate the very law h signed cause he doesn't agree with it. He will chose when to hire 4 Czars the Congress specifically told him he can not pay for. He stated he will ignore parts of the law because he doesn't like them. And you people cheer him on.
Your facts are 100% uncited and largely untrue. For example,
- Bush did not end the Iraq war. Setting a timetable for doing something is not the same as doing something. If Obama had chosen to extend the Iraq war (as many, mostly on the right, urged him to do) he could have done so. Instead he made the conscious decision to end the war when and how he did. Bush himself acknowledged that his successor would decide how and whether to end the Iraq war (Bush: Successor Decides Iraq Pullout - CBS News).
- Obama didn't promise to end the Iraq war immediately. That would have been impossible. Politifact rates as "promise kept" his Iraq promise (PolitiFact | The Obameter: Campaign Promises that are about Military).
- Similarly, Obama didn't pledge to end the Afghan war immediately. In fact, he pledged to increase troop levels there, which he did (see link above).
- Obama has never called for granting automatic residence status to undocumented residents in large numbers (there's no such thing as an "illegal Mexican", people aren't illegal).
- Obama has not started three wars. There haven't been any declared wars for awhile, and I can't think of a reasonable definition of "war" that would include three military conflicts during the Obama presidency.
- Obama hasn't "refused" to close the border. No US President or any other force in history has demonstrated an ability to close the US border entirely.
- Obama has never indicated in a signing statement that he will violate a law because he disagrees with it. Like other presidents, he has used signing statements to indicate parts of laws which he argues are unconstitutional, while at the same time he has dutifully enforced constitutional laws (such as DODT or the Bush tax cuts for the rich) with which he disagrees.
Some of your statements of fact are true (if misleading or irrelevant), but I don't really want to wade into a discussion of them while they are so interlaced with counterfactuals.
Well 2006 November elections are not that difficult to look up..
I'm stating facts...
Presidents don't legislate - congress does.
Progressives just do as they're told by their "dear leader."
Bush was in office from 2001-2009.
The "progressive super-majority" as you call it was in office for 2 of those years.
I know math isn't your strong point.
This ^^^ is why our nation is so fucked..
Obama derangement goes on as evidenced by the pitiful excuses given for defending Obama's 6 trillion versus Bush's in TWICE the time.
By the way when if ever did Obama actually sign a Budget for the Country and not a continuing resolution?
We get it you think debt is good anytime YOU spend it but bad when it is not for your pet projects.
As for cutting the deficit Obama keeps asking for MORE, his own party refused to vote for a single one of his budget requests in the Senate. By the way? Obama ended nothing. Iraq was scheduled to end BY Bush. All Obama did is carry out the time line. Even though he promised in 2008 to end the Iraq war as soon as he was President. To end the Afghan war as soon as he was President and to close Gitmo as soon as he was President.
Not only did he do NONE of that, he tried to try terrorists caught by the military in Federal Courts, even though they had been given none of the protections under Federal law to be tried there. he got spanked on that TWICE. He started 3 more wars with out even asking Congress for permission. I don't recall any whines from the left on the war Powers act then, or the cost in money or lives. He supported the very terror organization that flew planes into 3 buildings.
He assassinated an American citizen with out EVER even charging him with a crime. Ohh ya and his 16 year old son.
He signed the Patriot Act every time the Democrats in Congress renewed it. He ask for and signed laws allowing him to illegally use the military inside the US for police work. He supports and demands that 12 million illegal Mexicans be made legal. He refuses to close the border, meaning if he gets his amnesty the next 10 million will flock in expecting the same thing.
His DOJ ran 2 illegal gun scams that let thousands of weapons go to Mexico to drug cartels with absolutely no way to ever track them, they didn't even inform the Mexican Government they were doing it. And now we have a member of one of the Cartels claiming the DOJ gave his Cartel immunity to BUY the guns and run drugs into the US for information on other cartels.
He violated the Constitution with Obama Care and an illegal appointment that requires Senate approval. He made a Presidential signing statement that clearly states he will violate the very law h signed cause he doesn't agree with it. He will chose when to hire 4 Czars the Congress specifically told him he can not pay for. He stated he will ignore parts of the law because he doesn't like them. And you people cheer him on.
Your facts are 100% uncited and largely untrue. For example,
- Bush did not end the Iraq war. Setting a timetable for doing something is not the same as doing something. If Obama had chosen to extend the Iraq war (as many, mostly on the right, urged him to do) he could have done so. Instead he made the conscious decision to end the war when and how he did. Bush himself acknowledged that his successor would decide how and whether to end the Iraq war (Bush: Successor Decides Iraq Pullout - CBS News).
- Obama didn't promise to end the Iraq war immediately. That would have been impossible. Politifact rates as "promise kept" his Iraq promise (PolitiFact | The Obameter: Campaign Promises that are about Military).
- Similarly, Obama didn't pledge to end the Afghan war immediately. In fact, he pledged to increase troop levels there, which he did (see link above).
- Obama has never called for granting automatic residence status to undocumented residents in large numbers (there's no such thing as an "illegal Mexican", people aren't illegal).
- Obama has not started three wars. There haven't been any declared wars for awhile, and I can't think of a reasonable definition of "war" that would include three military conflicts during the Obama presidency.
- Obama hasn't "refused" to close the border. No US President or any other force in history has demonstrated an ability to close the US border entirely.
- Obama has never indicated in a signing statement that he will violate a law because he disagrees with it. Like other presidents, he has used signing statements to indicate parts of laws which he argues are unconstitutional, while at the same time he has dutifully enforced constitutional laws (such as DODT or the Bush tax cuts for the rich) with which he disagrees.
Some of your statements of fact are true (if misleading or irrelevant), but I don't really want to wade into a discussion of them while they are so interlaced with counterfactuals.
Bush was in office from 2001-2009.
The "progressive super-majority" as you call it was in office for 2 of those years.
I know math isn't your strong point.
This ^^^ is why our nation is so fucked..
Here's a bar graph of federal government spending from 2001-2009
Government Spending Chart: United States 2001-2009 - Federal State Local Data
Please tell me how it supports your claim that "most of the spending under Bush was under a progressive super majority."
- or
SHUT THE FUCK UP
This ^^^ is why our nation is so fucked..
Here's a bar graph of federal government spending from 2001-2009
Government Spending Chart: United States 2001-2009 - Federal State Local Data
Please tell me how it supports your claim that "most of the spending under Bush was under a progressive super majority."
- or
SHUT THE FUCK UP
And why do you believe I would accept that as a valid source?
Here's a bar graph of federal government spending from 2001-2009
Government Spending Chart: United States 2001-2009 - Federal State Local Data
Please tell me how it supports your claim that "most of the spending under Bush was under a progressive super majority."
- or
SHUT THE FUCK UP
And why do you believe I would accept that as a valid source?
Claiming Bush spent money in 2009 is funny as hell. 2008 and 2009 Budgets were created by a Democratic Congress.
Of course our progressive friends believe presidents are dictators...
Fuck the congress of course...
Progressives take ignorance to a new level....
I suppose they sport the Che T's for a reason..
Capitalism and our government is too difficult for them to understand.
Pathetic...
Obama derangement goes on as evidenced by the pitiful excuses given for defending Obama's 6 trillion versus Bush's in TWICE the time.
By the way when if ever did Obama actually sign a Budget for the Country and not a continuing resolution?
We get it you think debt is good anytime YOU spend it but bad when it is not for your pet projects.
As for cutting the deficit Obama keeps asking for MORE, his own party refused to vote for a single one of his budget requests in the Senate. By the way? Obama ended nothing. Iraq was scheduled to end BY Bush. All Obama did is carry out the time line. Even though he promised in 2008 to end the Iraq war as soon as he was President. To end the Afghan war as soon as he was President and to close Gitmo as soon as he was President.
Not only did he do NONE of that, he tried to try terrorists caught by the military in Federal Courts, even though they had been given none of the protections under Federal law to be tried there. he got spanked on that TWICE. He started 3 more wars with out even asking Congress for permission. I don't recall any whines from the left on the war Powers act then, or the cost in money or lives. He supported the very terror organization that flew planes into 3 buildings.
He assassinated an American citizen with out EVER even charging him with a crime. Ohh ya and his 16 year old son.
He signed the Patriot Act every time the Democrats in Congress renewed it. He ask for and signed laws allowing him to illegally use the military inside the US for police work. He supports and demands that 12 million illegal Mexicans be made legal. He refuses to close the border, meaning if he gets his amnesty the next 10 million will flock in expecting the same thing.
His DOJ ran 2 illegal gun scams that let thousands of weapons go to Mexico to drug cartels with absolutely no way to ever track them, they didn't even inform the Mexican Government they were doing it. And now we have a member of one of the Cartels claiming the DOJ gave his Cartel immunity to BUY the guns and run drugs into the US for information on other cartels.
He violated the Constitution with Obama Care and an illegal appointment that requires Senate approval. He made a Presidential signing statement that clearly states he will violate the very law h signed cause he doesn't agree with it. He will chose when to hire 4 Czars the Congress specifically told him he can not pay for. He stated he will ignore parts of the law because he doesn't like them. And you people cheer him on.
Your facts are 100% uncited and largely untrue. For example,
- Bush did not end the Iraq war. Setting a timetable for doing something is not the same as doing something. If Obama had chosen to extend the Iraq war (as many, mostly on the right, urged him to do) he could have done so. Instead he made the conscious decision to end the war when and how he did. Bush himself acknowledged that his successor would decide how and whether to end the Iraq war (Bush: Successor Decides Iraq Pullout - CBS News).
- Obama didn't promise to end the Iraq war immediately. That would have been impossible. Politifact rates as "promise kept" his Iraq promise (PolitiFact | The Obameter: Campaign Promises that are about Military).
- Similarly, Obama didn't pledge to end the Afghan war immediately. In fact, he pledged to increase troop levels there, which he did (see link above).
- Obama has never called for granting automatic residence status to undocumented residents in large numbers (there's no such thing as an "illegal Mexican", people aren't illegal).
- Obama has not started three wars. There haven't been any declared wars for awhile, and I can't think of a reasonable definition of "war" that would include three military conflicts during the Obama presidency.
- Obama hasn't "refused" to close the border. No US President or any other force in history has demonstrated an ability to close the US border entirely.
- Obama has never indicated in a signing statement that he will violate a law because he disagrees with it. Like other presidents, he has used signing statements to indicate parts of laws which he argues are unconstitutional, while at the same time he has dutifully enforced constitutional laws (such as DODT or the Bush tax cuts for the rich) with which he disagrees.
Some of your statements of fact are true (if misleading or irrelevant), but I don't really want to wade into a discussion of them while they are so interlaced with counterfactuals.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/24/u...es-signing-statement-on-budget-bill.html?_r=1
pretty much destroys one of your claims.
- Obama has never indicated in a signing statement that he will violate a law because he disagrees with it. Like other presidents, he has used signing statements to indicate parts of laws which he argues are unconstitutional, while at the same time he has dutifully enforced constitutional laws (such as DODT or the Bush tax cuts for the rich) with which he disagrees.
WASHINGTON When President Obama signed a budget bill on Friday, he issued a signing statement claiming a right to bypass dozens of provisions that placed requirements or restrictions on the executive branch, saying he had well-founded constitutional objections to the new statutes.