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Brian Williams, Anchor and Managing Editor, "NBC Nightly News":
Brian Williams is seen by more U.S. television viewers on a daily basis than any other individual. Since taking over as anchor and managing editor of NBC Nightly News in 2004, he has strengthened the broadcast's position as the most-watched newscast in all of television and has become the most highly decorated evening news anchor of the modern era. He has received eleven Edward R. Murrow Awards, twelve Emmy Awards, the duPont-Columbia University Award, the Walter Cronkite Award for Excellence in Journalism and the industry’s highest honor, the George Foster Peabody Award....
Brian Williams - NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams - About Us NBC News
This sure looks like they think he's a News Guy, not a Commentator or Entertainer.
WTF?I was the one that introduced the study of Logic Fallacies into this Message Board.
STILL more.... this is Bourbon Street, which is completely inside the French Quarter:
from here
A woman crosses flooded Bourbon Street in the French Quarter August 31, 2005 in New Orleans, Louisiana. (Scott Morgan/Getty Images)
In order for a body to "float by" there has to be a current....few streets develop a current because the water is going into sewer holes....this pic shows no bodies "floating by" nor have any others....this woman in ankle deep water.....FAIL!
The report isn't from UCLA, it's from Tim Groseclose (nice name!) He's a Right-Wing hack. Here's the first paragraph from your link:To your second point-
the study found ABC's "World News Tonight" and NBC's "Nightly News" (with Brian Williams) to be left of center. All three outlets were approximately equidistant from the center, the report found.
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664To your first point-
Of the 20 major media outlets studied, 18 scored left of center, with CBS' "Evening News," The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times ranking second, third and fourth most liberal behind the news pages of The Wall Street Journal.
Still no objective, documented proof from the right that the media are 'liberal,' that Williams is a 'liberal,' or that a single individual is 'representative' of the entire group to which he belongs.
Boston has gotten 70 inches of snow in 17 days. Unprecedented.global warming hoax
Instead of just regurgitating this claim, why don't you give us an example of a news report or newspaper report being Liberal?The political slant of almost every major main stream media news outlet in this Republic is decidedly left of center.
Boston has gotten 70 inches of snow in 17 days. Unprecedented.global warming hoax
If one of the suits knew, wouldn't they take him aside and tell him to stop telling that story? Especially since they have so much money invested in him?To your second point-
the study found ABC's "World News Tonight" and NBC's "Nightly News" (with Brian Williams) to be left of center. All three outlets were approximately equidistant from the center, the report found.
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664To your first point-
Of the 20 major media outlets studied, 18 scored left of center, with CBS' "Evening News," The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times ranking second, third and fourth most liberal behind the news pages of The Wall Street Journal.
This is kind of a moot point here. IIRC neither the Katrina story nor the helicopter story was part of a newscast.
And no part of anything Brian Williams has ever said about his work as a reporter has ANYTHING to do with his alleged "credibility."
No idea what that means. But I'll use it as a segue anyway.
As I noted waaaaay back in this thread, Brian Williams isn't a "reporter" or "journalist", regardless what he or his employer or his competitors call it. These aren't "reporters"-- they're actors. Their job is to look pretty, look credible, and deliver the script in a clear cadence in perfect sync with the broadcast clock. The actual journalists, we never even get to see them. They're the workers, not the Queen.
The TV news talking head no more represents the work of reporting than the CEO of EnormoCorp represents the piecework his 11-year old Vietnamese girl does making his clothes products. You can see that as soon as he takes the screen -- he's in a SUIT. Why is he wearing a suit? You don't need a suit to tell a story...
This is exactly why: because they're not selling "news"; they're selling illusion. That is after all what TV is entirely made of: illusion. And part of that illusion -- a BIG part -- is credibility, the second element mentioned above. That's why Brian Williams is a liability for NBC right now-- not because he made up or embellished some anecdotes (those are after all not part of the news) but because his illusion of credibility is in question. And when you're selling illusion, that means money.
CLEARLY the issue here isn't ethical journalism. These stories after all didn't come from journalism but from personal anecdotes, one or both of which was self-inflated. The issue is illusion. If the issue was actual ethics in journalism, I wouldn't be the only one taking the Advocate to task for trying to sell the bullshit that "the French Quarter never flooded". That actually IS falsifying the news. Where's the outrage?
Not important. Because it's all about illusion.
Pfft. You know EXACTLY what it means.
When it suits you and your ilk to DENY that Brian Williams has been considered a "reporter," you blithely deny it.
When it suits you to label him a "reporter," he gets bestowed with that honorific title even if that term has become largely meaningless.
The political slant of almost every major main stream media news outlet in this Republic is decidedly left of center.
And when the "reporter" known as Brian Williams was discussing this stolen valor stuff, he was DISCUSSING what happened to him in his role as a reporter. So it doesn't matter if he said it on Letterman or repeated it later in a news broadcast designed to honor actual servicemen and women.
It does undercut any hope of his to laying a claim to integrity.
The big question, really, is: given what we already know, why hasn't that lummox been summarily dismissed from NBC?
Gee. I wonder.
The other Big Question is "how many people in positions of power at NBC knew he was lying, but covered it up"?
Did O'Lielly indeed lie about combat duty? Pretty simple question - will you punt?
^ stolen directly from the DailyKos.
'Nuff said.
If one of the suits knew, wouldn't they take him aside and tell him to stop telling that story? Especially since they have so much money invested in him?This is kind of a moot point here. IIRC neither the Katrina story nor the helicopter story was part of a newscast.
And no part of anything Brian Williams has ever said about his work as a reporter has ANYTHING to do with his alleged "credibility."
No idea what that means. But I'll use it as a segue anyway.
As I noted waaaaay back in this thread, Brian Williams isn't a "reporter" or "journalist", regardless what he or his employer or his competitors call it. These aren't "reporters"-- they're actors. Their job is to look pretty, look credible, and deliver the script in a clear cadence in perfect sync with the broadcast clock. The actual journalists, we never even get to see them. They're the workers, not the Queen.
The TV news talking head no more represents the work of reporting than the CEO of EnormoCorp represents the piecework his 11-year old Vietnamese girl does making his clothes products. You can see that as soon as he takes the screen -- he's in a SUIT. Why is he wearing a suit? You don't need a suit to tell a story...
This is exactly why: because they're not selling "news"; they're selling illusion. That is after all what TV is entirely made of: illusion. And part of that illusion -- a BIG part -- is credibility, the second element mentioned above. That's why Brian Williams is a liability for NBC right now-- not because he made up or embellished some anecdotes (those are after all not part of the news) but because his illusion of credibility is in question. And when you're selling illusion, that means money.
CLEARLY the issue here isn't ethical journalism. These stories after all didn't come from journalism but from personal anecdotes, one or both of which was self-inflated. The issue is illusion. If the issue was actual ethics in journalism, I wouldn't be the only one taking the Advocate to task for trying to sell the bullshit that "the French Quarter never flooded". That actually IS falsifying the news. Where's the outrage?
Not important. Because it's all about illusion.
Pfft. You know EXACTLY what it means.
When it suits you and your ilk to DENY that Brian Williams has been considered a "reporter," you blithely deny it.
When it suits you to label him a "reporter," he gets bestowed with that honorific title even if that term has become largely meaningless.
The political slant of almost every major main stream media news outlet in this Republic is decidedly left of center.
And when the "reporter" known as Brian Williams was discussing this stolen valor stuff, he was DISCUSSING what happened to him in his role as a reporter. So it doesn't matter if he said it on Letterman or repeated it later in a news broadcast designed to honor actual servicemen and women.
It does undercut any hope of his to laying a claim to integrity.
The big question, really, is: given what we already know, why hasn't that lummox been summarily dismissed from NBC?
Gee. I wonder.
The other Big Question is "how many people in positions of power at NBC knew he was lying, but covered it up"?
I would tell you to use your brain, but...
Did O'Lielly indeed lie about combat duty? Pretty simple question - will you punt?
^ stolen directly from the DailyKos.
'Nuff said.
We know he lied about growing up in Levittown. What else has he lied about?
There is no requirement for him to be credible when introducing news reports from reporters. He didn't report it, he didn't write it, it's not his credibility.For him to be considered credible on his news program
It was a bit convoluted, Liability.* * * *
Pfft. You know EXACTLY what it means.
No actually I don't. It made no grammatical sense.
Of course it did. Damn. You can't even be honest.
Then it should take you no time at all to find an example.When it suits you and your ilk to DENY that Brian Williams has been considered a "reporter," you blithely deny it.
When it suits you to label him a "reporter," he gets bestowed with that honorific title even if that term has become largely meaningless.
Horseshit. Where have I ever called ANY TV talking head a "reporter"? More to the point, who on this website has railed against TV and the bullshit illusion it represents more than I?
OK then. Don't start something you can't finish.
Shut the fuck up, you dickless idiot. I don't care if you personally called Brian Williams a "reporter." I SAID you "and your ilk." And lots of you brain dead babbling bullshit artists on the left have indeed called him a reporter and defended him AS a reporter.
How about the three morons on Fox & Friends?Hannity's show isn't a news show and Hannity is a commentator, not a news reporter.
Ditto that (no pun intended) for Rush and Mark Levin And the same goes for Bill O'Reilly.
Where does it say 'reporter'?Brian Williams, Anchor and Managing Editor, "NBC Nightly News"
Then it should take you no time at all to find an example.When it suits you and your ilk to DENY that Brian Williams has been considered a "reporter," you blithely deny it.
When it suits you to label him a "reporter," he gets bestowed with that honorific title even if that term has become largely meaningless.
Horseshit. Where have I ever called ANY TV talking head a "reporter"? More to the point, who on this website has railed against TV and the bullshit illusion it represents more than I?
OK then. Don't start something you can't finish.
Shut the fuck up, you dickless idiot. I don't care if you personally called Brian Williams a "reporter." I SAID you "and your ilk." And lots of you brain dead babbling bullshit artists on the left have indeed called him a reporter and defended him AS a reporter.
HEY YOU! Leave the fallacies to Edgetho (Ed get ho?)Ah yes, the old Hasty Generalization/Composition Double Fallacy.
It was a bit convoluted, Liability.* * * *
Pfft. You know EXACTLY what it means.
No actually I don't. It made no grammatical sense.
Of course it did. Damn. You can't even be honest.
The report isn't from UCLA, it's from Tim Groseclose (nice name!) He's a Right-Wing hack. Here's the first paragraph from your link:To your second point-
the study found ABC's "World News Tonight" and NBC's "Nightly News" (with Brian Williams) to be left of center. All three outlets were approximately equidistant from the center, the report found.
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664To your first point-
Of the 20 major media outlets studied, 18 scored left of center, with CBS' "Evening News," The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times ranking second, third and fourth most liberal behind the news pages of The Wall Street Journal.
Still no objective, documented proof from the right that the media are 'liberal,' that Williams is a 'liberal,' or that a single individual is 'representative' of the entire group to which he belongs.
While the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal is conservative, the newspaper's news pages are liberal, even more liberal than the New York Times. The Drudge Report may have a right-wing reputation, but it leans left. Coverage by public television and radio is conservative compared to the rest of the mainstream media. Meanwhile, almost all major media outlets tilt to the left.
OK, does ANYBODY believe that the Drudge Report leans left? Bueller?...Bueller?
FoxNews guy.
Oh, and look! He's written a wingnut book!
And look! He blows the whistle on Liberal UCLA!
Tim Groseclose Blows the Whistle on UCLA
Now, if anyone is interested in the debunking of Tim Groseclose's wingnut study, here ya go:
The problems with the Groseclose Milyo study of media bias - Brendan Nyhan
