Liberals On Abortion

[PoliticalChic]

As long as you limit the discussion to Republicans insisting they are protecting the fetus then it seems like there is room for discussion. Then you look at the rest of the Republicans positions and all of a sudden it’s not quite so clear.

These are the other positions that Republicans don’t want to talk about:

The mother:
Who cares if the mother is able to pay for the child. She should keep her legs shut. That’s her fault. She needs to suffer for having sex outside of marriage.

The rapist:
Hey it’s his baby too. As bad as it was when he sexually assaulted the mother, it’s still a baby who needs its father. He has rights.

The baby:
What do you mean give the baby health care and daycare and education? Screw that kid. It’s not my kid. Why should I pay for it?

Republicans:
Hey, we’re protecting the fetus, that’s all we need to do. That proves we’re Christians.

See how that works?

I didn't find this issue noted in your post: are you for or against killing the separate, distinct, unique human being that is being temporarily being nourished by that mother?

 

[Cecilie1200]

It is more than interesting that Democrats use the same policy for infanticide that they did for slavery:

a. If the person was in Mississippi, he was a slave; in Connecticut, the very same person would be free

b. baby in the birth canal can be slaughtered in the most brutal manner; a few centimeters later, and, as the Democrat Governor of Virginia states, it could be decided by the mother.

The 14th amendment was adopted in 1868 which was after slavery was abolished, and was supported by President Grant and the Republicans of the time.

Are you really missing the point?????


Or trying to.

Republicans abolished slavery over 150 years ago, but now pro-birther republicans want to enslave women. Don't know why they want to force unwilling women to give birth, especially since they don't give a shit about the kid once it's born. Then they wail and moan about lousy parents, welfare moochers, and societal parasites.

"OMG, living babies are enslavement of women!"

Spare me your BS on behalf of the "rights" YOU insist, in your infinite male wisdom, I want . . . which (purely coincidentally, I'm sure) tend to benefit men far more than they do women.

Wisdom....I believe you mean 'wisdumb.'

I need an emoji for sarcasm dripping down into a puddle. What can you do?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The 14th amendment was adopted in 1868 which was after slavery was abolished, and was supported by President Grant and the Republicans of the time.

Are you really missing the point?????


Or trying to.

Republicans abolished slavery over 150 years ago, but now pro-birther republicans want to enslave women. Don't know why they want to force unwilling women to give birth, especially since they don't give a shit about the kid once it's born. Then they wail and moan about lousy parents, welfare moochers, and societal parasites.

"OMG, living babies are enslavement of women!"

Spare me your BS on behalf of the "rights" YOU insist, in your infinite male wisdom, I want . . . which (purely coincidentally, I'm sure) tend to benefit men far more than they do women.

Wisdom....I believe you mean 'wisdumb.'

I need an emoji for sarcasm dripping down into a puddle. What can you do?

So sorry.....this is one area in which I lack experience.....I can't recall ever using 'em.

 

[PK1]

…the Left in the United States generally accepted legalized abortion…

Can you not focus on ONE concern of yours and present a good argument for it?
And not paint with a super wide brush?

Not all “liberals” have the same beliefs/arguments, just like not all “conservatives” or independently-minded folks think alike.

Go ahead, let’s see your MAIN claim about how bad abortion is ...

"Not all “liberals” have the same beliefs/arguments...."

How about you grow up and wise up.

...

You must have been looking in the mirror when ruminating about growing up.
Why the diversion crap?
Why not simply respond to my simple query:

Can you focus on ONE concern of yours and present a good argument for it?

 

[PoliticalChic]

…the Left in the United States generally accepted legalized abortion…

Can you not focus on ONE concern of yours and present a good argument for it?
And not paint with a super wide brush?

Not all “liberals” have the same beliefs/arguments, just like not all “conservatives” or independently-minded folks think alike.

Go ahead, let’s see your MAIN claim about how bad abortion is ...

"Not all “liberals” have the same beliefs/arguments...."

How about you grow up and wise up.

...

You must have been looking in the mirror when ruminating about growing up.
Why the diversion crap?
Why not simply respond to my simple query:

Can you focus on ONE concern of yours and present a good argument for it?

I answered it, dunce.

I'm not responsible for you lack of comprehension.



This simple enough: any who vote Democrat support abortion/infanticide.

 

[PK1]

…the Left in the United States generally accepted legalized abortion…

Can you not focus on ONE concern of yours and present a good argument for it?
And not paint with a super wide brush?

Not all “liberals” have the same beliefs/arguments, just like not all “conservatives” or independently-minded folks think alike.

Go ahead, let’s see your MAIN claim about how bad abortion is ...

"Not all “liberals” have the same beliefs/arguments...."

How about you grow up and wise up.

...

You must have been looking in the mirror when ruminating about growing up.
Why the diversion crap?
Why not simply respond to my simple query:

Can you focus on ONE concern of yours and present a good argument for it?

I answered it, dunce.

I'm not responsible for you lack of comprehension.

This simple enough: any who vote Democrat support abortion/infanticide.

A political party is your main concern?
That’s a simplistic view.

Well, i vote Repub as well as Demo; depends on candidate & issues.
In the case for abortion rights, i vote for privacy & respect for individual liberty (esp those who have rational thoughts).
No liberty for criminals!

 

[Cecilie1200]

Are you really missing the point?????


Or trying to.

Republicans abolished slavery over 150 years ago, but now pro-birther republicans want to enslave women. Don't know why they want to force unwilling women to give birth, especially since they don't give a shit about the kid once it's born. Then they wail and moan about lousy parents, welfare moochers, and societal parasites.

Republicans pried the slaves out of Democrat's hands, and now wish to protect the defenseless from the Democrats/Fascists.


The unique distinct human being that the mother is temporarily nourishing is not 'her body'......

Is there any argument for the "right" of a woman to authorize the killing of her unborn baby that would not apply to her authorizing the similar slaughter of a year old that she was breastfeeding?


'cause....if there isn't, and one is murder, so, then, is the other.

That's called logic.

Yeah, the kid she is breastfeeding is born, and therefore a person and citizen with rights. The fetus isn't. One is murder, the other isn't.

I just heard, "I approve of one and not of the other, and my perceptions and personal opinions dictate reality!"

Funny, that’s what I keep getting from you.

Really? You're really getting that I'm saying that the right to live is based on my personal approval? Then you're even dumber than you appear.

 

[PoliticalChic]

…the Left in the United States generally accepted legalized abortion…

Can you not focus on ONE concern of yours and present a good argument for it?
And not paint with a super wide brush?

Not all “liberals” have the same beliefs/arguments, just like not all “conservatives” or independently-minded folks think alike.

Go ahead, let’s see your MAIN claim about how bad abortion is ...

"Not all “liberals” have the same beliefs/arguments...."

How about you grow up and wise up.

...

You must have been looking in the mirror when ruminating about growing up.
Why the diversion crap?
Why not simply respond to my simple query:

Can you focus on ONE concern of yours and present a good argument for it?

I answered it, dunce.

I'm not responsible for you lack of comprehension.

This simple enough: any who vote Democrat support abortion/infanticide.

A political party is your main concern?
That’s a simplistic view.

Well, i vote Repub as well as Demo; depends on candidate & issues.
In the case for abortion rights, i vote for privacy & respect for individual liberty (esp those who have rational thoughts)
No liberty for criminals!

Don't try to change the subject.
You wrote:"Not all “liberals” have the same beliefs/arguments"


In my succinct post I explained 'politics for dummies.'

That would be you.


You don't write the platform for your party....you decide whether to support it.....wholly and entirely.

This is the Democrat Party platform:
The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.


If you don't support abortion and infanticide.....don't vote Democrat.


You don't vote for liberty if you vote for any Democrat.....they follow the party agenda.

 

[PK1]

Can you not focus on ONE concern of yours and present a good argument for it?
And not paint with a super wide brush?

Not all “liberals” have the same beliefs/arguments, just like not all “conservatives” or independently-minded folks think alike.

Go ahead, let’s see your MAIN claim about how bad abortion is ...

"Not all “liberals” have the same beliefs/arguments...."

How about you grow up and wise up.

...

You must have been looking in the mirror when ruminating about growing up.
Why the diversion crap?
Why not simply respond to my simple query:

Can you focus on ONE concern of yours and present a good argument for it?

I answered it, dunce.

I'm not responsible for you lack of comprehension.

This simple enough: any who vote Democrat support abortion/infanticide.

A political party is your main concern?
That’s a simplistic view.

Well, i vote Repub as well as Demo; depends on candidate & issues.
In the case for abortion rights, i vote for privacy & respect for individual liberty (esp those who have rational thoughts)
No liberty for criminals!

Don't try to change the subject.
You wrote:"Not all “liberals” have the same beliefs/arguments"

In my succinct post I explained 'politics for dummies.'

That would be you.

You don't write the platform for your party....you decide whether to support it.....wholly and entirely.

This is the Democrat Party platform:
The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

If you don't support abortion and infanticide.....don't vote Democrat.

You don't vote for liberty if you vote for any Democrat.....they follow the party agenda.

It’s too bad there are only 2 parties. I’d more likely vote for an ethical Libertarian party.
In the mean time (unlike before), i find the Demo party much more ethical/fair than the Repub party, altho individual liberties may be compromised at times.
The Con Repubs are also compromising them in some cases, like abortion.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Not all “liberals” have the same beliefs/arguments...."

How about you grow up and wise up.

...

You must have been looking in the mirror when ruminating about growing up.
Why the diversion crap?
Why not simply respond to my simple query:

Can you focus on ONE concern of yours and present a good argument for it?

I answered it, dunce.

I'm not responsible for you lack of comprehension.

This simple enough: any who vote Democrat support abortion/infanticide.

A political party is your main concern?
That’s a simplistic view.

Well, i vote Repub as well as Demo; depends on candidate & issues.
In the case for abortion rights, i vote for privacy & respect for individual liberty (esp those who have rational thoughts)
No liberty for criminals!

Don't try to change the subject.
You wrote:"Not all “liberals” have the same beliefs/arguments"

In my succinct post I explained 'politics for dummies.'

That would be you.

You don't write the platform for your party....you decide whether to support it.....wholly and entirely.

This is the Democrat Party platform:
The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

If you don't support abortion and infanticide.....don't vote Democrat.

You don't vote for liberty if you vote for any Democrat.....they follow the party agenda.

It’s too bad there are only 2 parties. I’d more likely vote for an ethical Libertarian party.
In the mean time (unlike before), i find the Demo party much more ethical/fair than the Repub party, altho individual liberties may be compromised at times.
The Con Repubs are also compromising them in some cases, like abortion.

I'll assume that this post means you now understand the problem with your previous post....Not all “liberals” have the same beliefs/arguments"

 

[Cecilie1200]

Are you really missing the point?????


Or trying to.

Republicans abolished slavery over 150 years ago, but now pro-birther republicans want to enslave women. Don't know why they want to force unwilling women to give birth, especially since they don't give a shit about the kid once it's born. Then they wail and moan about lousy parents, welfare moochers, and societal parasites.

"OMG, living babies are enslavement of women!"

Spare me your BS on behalf of the "rights" YOU insist, in your infinite male wisdom, I want . . . which (purely coincidentally, I'm sure) tend to benefit men far more than they do women.

Wisdom....I believe you mean 'wisdumb.'

I need an emoji for sarcasm dripping down into a puddle. What can you do?

So sorry.....this is one area in which I lack experience.....I can't recall ever using 'em.

Emojis, or dripping sarcasm?

 

[gipper]

As long as you limit the discussion to Republicans insisting they are protecting the fetus then it seems like there is room for discussion. Then you look at the rest of the Republicans positions and all of a sudden it’s not quite so clear.

These are the other positions that Republicans don’t want to talk about:

The mother:
Who cares if the mother is able to pay for the child. She should keep her legs shut. That’s her fault. She needs to suffer for having sex outside of marriage.

The rapist:
Hey it’s his baby too. As bad as it was when he sexually assaulted the mother, it’s still a baby who needs its father. He has rights.

The baby:
What do you mean give the baby health care and daycare and education? Screw that kid. It’s not my kid. Why should I pay for it?

Republicans:
Hey, we’re protecting the fetus, that’s all we need to do. That proves we’re Christians.

See how that works?

Dumb as usual.

You condemn Rs for wanting to protect the fetus, while you will gladly murder it. Now who’s the the crazy one?

 

[otto105]

I mean real Liberals, those with integrity and a reputable view of the world, not the mind numbed variety that adhere to the Democrats no matter how insane their current agenda is.




1.Perhaps you’ve noticed that today the strongest Liberals/Democrats are those with the least ability to analyze what they are supporting. As a result, just as Orwell predicted in 1984, they can’t keep straight whether they are at war with Eastasia, or Eurasia. They need not keep track, they simply agree that the enemy at the moment is whoever the leadership says it is.
And today it is the unborn.

Hence, the Liberals were against gay marriage before they were for it. They opposed socialism before they were for it. And they opposed nuclear weapons for Iran before they were in favor of it.
So, no big deal to want to exterminate the defenseless.....

They are clueless to 180° turns by the party. Morons simply march lock-step via the party’s orders.





I came across an interesting real-Liberal essay opposing abortion, and it is instructive to peruse.


2.“Abortion: The Left has betrayed the sanctity of life From The Progressive magazine. Abortion: The Left has betrayed the sanctity of life
Consistency demands concern for the unborn

The abortion issue, more than most, illustrates the occasional tendency of the Left to become so enthusiastic over what is called a "reform" that it forgets to think the issue through. It is ironic that so many on the Left have done on abortion what the conservatives and Cold War liberals did on Vietnam: They marched off in the wrong direction, to fight the wrong war, against the wrong people.

3. Some of us … are now active in the right-to-life movement. We do not enjoy opposing our old friends on the abortion issue, but we feel that we have no choice. We are moved by what pro-life feminists call the "consistency thing" -- the belief that respect for human life demands opposition to abortion, capital punishment, euthanasia, and war. We don't think we have either the luxury or the right to choose some types of killing and say that they are all right, while others are not. A human life is a human life; and if equality means anything, it means that society may not value some human lives over others.




4. Until the last decade, people on the Left and Right generally agreed on one rule: We all protected the young. This was not merely agreement on an ethical question: It was also an expression of instinct, so deep and ancient that it scarcely required explanation. Protection of the young included protection of the unborn, for abortion was forbidden by state laws throughout the United States. Those laws reflected an ethical consensus, not based solely on religious tradition but also on scientific evidence that human life begins at conception. The prohibition of abortion in the ancient Hippocratic Oath is well known.

5. …it is important to ask why the Left in the United States generally accepted legalized abortion. One factor was the popular civil libertarian rationale for freedom of choice in abortion. Many feminists presented it as a right of women to control their own bodies. When the objection was raised that abortion ruins another person's body, they respond that a) it is not a body, just a "blob of protoplasm" (thereby displaying ignorance of biology); or b) it is not really a "person" until it is born.

When it was suggested that this is a wholly arbitrary decision, unsupported by any biology evidence, they said, "Well, that's your point of view. This is a matter of individual conscience, and in a pluralistic society people must be free to follow their consciences."




Thinking Liberals, largely an oxymoron today, continue embracing rectitude over party loyalty.

Liberals believe that it is the right of the women to decide how many children to have in her family.

Not the state or a rapist.

Decent people believe that the time to decide how many children to have is before you make them, not after they're already in existence, and that talking about all abortions in terms of "the rapist" is a disingenuous and repulsive attempt to use rape victims as human shields.

Decent people make those decisions when they have too. You don't get a say in those decisions.

Also, the new conservative forced birth bill in alabama does give rapists visitation rights.

 

[otto105]

The 14th amendment was adopted in 1868 which was after slavery was abolished, and was supported by President Grant and the Republicans of the time.

Are you really missing the point?????


Or trying to.

Republicans abolished slavery over 150 years ago, but now pro-birther republicans want to enslave women. Don't know why they want to force unwilling women to give birth, especially since they don't give a shit about the kid once it's born. Then they wail and moan about lousy parents, welfare moochers, and societal parasites.

To a nut-job having a baby is enslaving.

As your Messiah said, “I don’t want my daughters punished with a baby.” The sicko wants to murder his grandchild. WTF!

Do you get context or just the stupid?

Do you get that there is no context that makes that okay, or are you just too stupid?

I understand that you embrace stupid.

 

[otto105]

I mean real Liberals, those with integrity and a reputable view of the world, not the mind numbed variety that adhere to the Democrats no matter how insane their current agenda is.




1.Perhaps you’ve noticed that today the strongest Liberals/Democrats are those with the least ability to analyze what they are supporting. As a result, just as Orwell predicted in 1984, they can’t keep straight whether they are at war with Eastasia, or Eurasia. They need not keep track, they simply agree that the enemy at the moment is whoever the leadership says it is.
And today it is the unborn.

Hence, the Liberals were against gay marriage before they were for it. They opposed socialism before they were for it. And they opposed nuclear weapons for Iran before they were in favor of it.
So, no big deal to want to exterminate the defenseless.....

They are clueless to 180° turns by the party. Morons simply march lock-step via the party’s orders.





I came across an interesting real-Liberal essay opposing abortion, and it is instructive to peruse.


2.“Abortion: The Left has betrayed the sanctity of life From The Progressive magazine. Abortion: The Left has betrayed the sanctity of life
Consistency demands concern for the unborn

The abortion issue, more than most, illustrates the occasional tendency of the Left to become so enthusiastic over what is called a "reform" that it forgets to think the issue through. It is ironic that so many on the Left have done on abortion what the conservatives and Cold War liberals did on Vietnam: They marched off in the wrong direction, to fight the wrong war, against the wrong people.

3. Some of us … are now active in the right-to-life movement. We do not enjoy opposing our old friends on the abortion issue, but we feel that we have no choice. We are moved by what pro-life feminists call the "consistency thing" -- the belief that respect for human life demands opposition to abortion, capital punishment, euthanasia, and war. We don't think we have either the luxury or the right to choose some types of killing and say that they are all right, while others are not. A human life is a human life; and if equality means anything, it means that society may not value some human lives over others.




4. Until the last decade, people on the Left and Right generally agreed on one rule: We all protected the young. This was not merely agreement on an ethical question: It was also an expression of instinct, so deep and ancient that it scarcely required explanation. Protection of the young included protection of the unborn, for abortion was forbidden by state laws throughout the United States. Those laws reflected an ethical consensus, not based solely on religious tradition but also on scientific evidence that human life begins at conception. The prohibition of abortion in the ancient Hippocratic Oath is well known.

5. …it is important to ask why the Left in the United States generally accepted legalized abortion. One factor was the popular civil libertarian rationale for freedom of choice in abortion. Many feminists presented it as a right of women to control their own bodies. When the objection was raised that abortion ruins another person's body, they respond that a) it is not a body, just a "blob of protoplasm" (thereby displaying ignorance of biology); or b) it is not really a "person" until it is born.

When it was suggested that this is a wholly arbitrary decision, unsupported by any biology evidence, they said, "Well, that's your point of view. This is a matter of individual conscience, and in a pluralistic society people must be free to follow their consciences."




Thinking Liberals, largely an oxymoron today, continue embracing rectitude over party loyalty.

Liberals believe that it is the right of the women to decide how many children to have in her family.

Not the state or a rapist.

Then she should have decided to use birth control you butcher.

Well that interesting, since conservative want to outlaw those too.

"I just KNOW this is what conservatives want, because my talking points memo TOLD me they all wanted it!"

By all means, please cite us any evidence that "outlawing birth control" is a mainstream conservative, or even mainstream pro-life, agenda.

Are you really trying (and failing) to assert that mainstream christian conservative orthodoxy don't want to outlaw contraception?

Christian views on birth control - Wikipedia

 

[otto105]

Notice, not a single Republican talks about what is best for women?

It's best for women to avoid sex before marriage, keeping in mind her boyfriend might be immature, not ready for responsibility, has made commitments he hasn't kept in the past, has a bad reputation of sexual misconduct and disrespects women in thought, word, and deed.

The up side of a high standard means she will not become sterile due to an std, will not get pregnant, will not get her heart broken after the wedding, and will enjoy having respect for herself and others for life.

If there's a benefit to women in this societal push toward sexual activity prior to marriage as the norm, I'll be damned if I can figure out what it is. For certain it doesn't trump the downsides of increased vulnerability in a myriad of ways.

So succinct, so true.



" Liberals hate religion because politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can’t stand the competition. There’s a reason the left’s rhetoric bears such a striking resemblance to some of the nuttier religions: Abhorring real religions, liberals refuse to condemn what societies have condemned for thousands of years—e.g., promiscuity, divorce, illegitimacy, homosexuality. "
Coulter, "Slander"

Liberals don't hate religion and they don't believe that it is competition.

Liberals see that religion tends to make one lose their critical thinking skills. As shown by your posts.

 

[JoeB131]

Poor Joe, reveling in all those dead bodies, flattening the world of American patriots,

Uh, 11 years in the Army. I've been more of a patriot than you ever will.

Poor Joe, locked in that bounded and locked-shut mind where conservatives and defenders of the nation are all bad, and liberals spending other people's money, enslaving the common man to a life of ever-higher taxes is all good.

Wow... so you think that taking care of the old, the sick and the hungry is "enslaving" people? Honestly, this is what you really think>?

We conservatives are such bubble-poppers when we refuse to let their lewd, care-free elitist world crumble reality into subjugation by our failure of finding enough funds to kill all their babies, give them free everything for just being here with no responsibilities other than to spittle and piddle on workers who are determined to hold on to something our parents before us bestowed--

This is where you are confused. The only people Piddling on workers is the Right Wing Corporate stooges. They've just managed to distract stupid people like you while they bust up your unions, roll back your union rights and ship your job off to China or India. But they scream about abortion or gay marriage, and say "Jesus" convincingly, and you dumbasses go along with it.

and blessing the mothers for compliance of killing their own with poison or violence to satisfy the fat atheists who hate Christian Pilgrims for conquering taxation of common people by the greedy rich monarchs who profited from their hard labors,

Again, you are a bit confused. The Christian Pilgrims came here because they couldn't impose their religious stupidity on everyone else and they wanted a place where they could. It really wasn't about taxes until the British insisted they help pay for the wars they instigated with the Native Americans.

Joe and his unnatural world turning rain into piss, freedom into pain, the pursuit of happiness to untenable taxation.

Whenever you nutbags talk about "Freedom", it's usually the ability of the rich to abuse the rest of us.

 

[beautress]

Poor Joe, reveling in all those dead bodies, flattening the world of American patriots,

Uh, 11 years in the Army. I've been more of a patriot than you ever will.

Poor Joe, locked in that bounded and locked-shut mind where conservatives and defenders of the nation are all bad, and liberals spending other people's money, enslaving the common man to a life of ever-higher taxes is all good.

Wow... so you think that taking care of the old, the sick and the hungry is "enslaving" people? Honestly, this is what you really think>?

We conservatives are such bubble-poppers when we refuse to let their lewd, care-free elitist world crumble reality into subjugation by our failure of finding enough funds to kill all their babies, give them free everything for just being here with no responsibilities other than to spittle and piddle on workers who are determined to hold on to something our parents before us bestowed--

This is where you are confused. The only people Piddling on workers is the Right Wing Corporate stooges. They've just managed to distract stupid people like you while they bust up your unions, roll back your union rights and ship your job off to China or India. But they scream about abortion or gay marriage, and say "Jesus" convincingly, and you dumbasses go along with it.

and blessing the mothers for compliance of killing their own with poison or violence to satisfy the fat atheists who hate Christian Pilgrims for conquering taxation of common people by the greedy rich monarchs who profited from their hard labors,

Again, you are a bit confused. The Christian Pilgrims came here because they couldn't impose their religious stupidity on everyone else and they wanted a place where they could. It really wasn't about taxes until the British insisted they help pay for the wars they instigated with the Native Americans.

Joe and his unnatural world turning rain into piss, freedom into pain, the pursuit of happiness to untenable taxation.

Whenever you nutbags talk about "Freedom", it's usually the ability of the rich to abuse the rest of us.

JoeB131: Uh, 11 years in the Army. I've been more of a patriot than you ever will.
​

Excuse me? I was an Marine and Army brat longer than that. We were all over the map and moved at least once a year, often twice a year, and once 3 times in a single year. And when my brother went to sea as a Navy man, I watched over his young son for over 4 years so he could do his job. I won gold medals for my patriotic essays in the 7th grade, a bronze medal for excellence in current events in the ninth grade, and the Merchant Marine's essay contest my senior year in high school.

If you think you can diminish my patriotism with your service you go right ahead. I will chalk it up to the severe head injury you must have received fighting off the enemy. Because you'd never get yourself into a barroom ball, I'm certain.

Don't ever make me wipe the floor with you again, young man.

 

[JoeB131]

Excuse me? I was an Marine and Army brat longer than that.

That doesn't mean anything. You don't get credit for other people's service.. Sorry, you just don't. They busted their asses... You didn't.

I won gold medals for my patriotic essays in the 7th grade, a bronze medal for excellence in current events in the ninth grade, and the Merchant Marine's essay contest my senior year in high school.

ooooh... and this impresses me, how, exactly. "Wow, I wrote something and didn't misspell anything!" Like this is a fucking accomplishment.

Because you'd never get yourself into a barroom ball, I'm certain.

Well, no, I don't get into barroom brawls... because that's stupid.

Now, here's the thing, back when I was in the service in the 80's and the 90's, I was pretty conservative.

Then I realized that the whole conservative movement is about making the rich richer and they do this by waving the flag and the bible in the face of working folks and getting them to vote against their own interests.

Case in point. Since Roe v. Wade (where 5 Republicans joined 2 Democrats in overturning our archaic abortions laws), the Conservative movement has been screaming about abortion. Showing stupid people like you pictures of whatever they dug out of medical waste containers and getting you all upset about the "babies".

But funny thing. Even though Republicans filled 10 of the 14 vacancies that have come up since then, those justices have consistantly upheld Roe. But the rich always get their tax cuts, always get their union-busting laws, always get their deregulation of industries that remove the protections you have as a consumer.

And you sit their stupidly with your jaw open and keep voting for them because they are right with Jesus. Yes Jesus was totally for paying off porn stars, as long as you appoint justices who will roll back women's rights.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Love and Other Disabilities
A British judge is forcing a disabled woman to have an abortion. As the son of a disabled woman, I can tell you: The decision is evil.

Yesterday, a British judge, Nathalie Lieven, ruled that an intellectually disabled woman should be forced to have an abortion against her will. The woman—who remains unnamed, ostensibly out of respect for her privacy—wants to have the child, but, because of her disability, she is presumed incompetent to make this decision. Attending medical doctors have judged that her giving birth and eventually having the child removed from her custody would be extremely traumatic because of her intellectual disabilities. Based on this assessment, the judge has ruled that it is in the woman’s “best interests” that the pregnancy be terminated. I beg to differ, and do so based on some experience. For I am an intellectually disabled woman’s son."
Love and Other Disabilities