Living the good life off of government benefits

[jasonnfree]

Certainly not enough to live the good life.

when you have been ruined and cripppled by generations of welfare the good life is not having to answer to the man, to sleep in every day of your llife!!

When the top 1% own 60% of all the wealth? No? Of course not. They deserve it because they work smarter and harder than the rest of us, correct?

too stupid and liberal by 1000% if you work as hard and smart as Jobs, Gates, Buffett you 'd make their money too. Does it break your equalitarian little liberal heart to know you wern't good enough to make the Little League Team or work for Apple??

Also, its not 0 sum. Todays poor are better off than the rich of 50 years ago because of what the rich invented! Do you really want to steal from the rich like a common thief and perhaps lose the invention that might cost your child his life??? Think!!

See why we say a liberal wil be slow, so very very slow??

When are you going to post the IQ's for liberals, republicans, and libertarians? Use links to back it up.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Certainly not enough to live the good life.

when you have been ruined and cripppled by generations of welfare the good life is not having to answer to the man, to sleep in every day of your llife!!

When the top 1% own 60% of all the wealth? No? Of course not. They deserve it because they work smarter and harder than the rest of us, correct?

too stupid and liberal by 1000% if you work as hard and smart as Jobs, Gates, Buffett you 'd make their money too. Does it break your equalitarian little liberal heart to know you wern't good enough to make the Little League Team or work for Apple??

Also, its not 0 sum. Todays poor are better off than the rich of 50 years ago because of what the rich invented! Do you really want to steal from the rich like a common thief and perhaps lose the invention that might cost your child his life??? Think!!

See why we say a liberal wil be slow, so very very slow??

When are you going to post the IQ's for liberals, republicans, and libertarians? Use links to back it up.

more importantly, can you say one intelligent thing in defense of liberalism??? If you can't you must admit you lack the IQ to do so and then if you have any character at all switch to libertarianism.
Thats what you should do when your liberal positions are constantly shown to be stupid!! Can you understand that??

 

[gallantwarrior]

yes power corrupts so the only solution is to vote libertarian Republican so pols don't have the power. This was the purpose of the Constitution but liberals lack the IQ to grasp that so progress is slow.

The Republicans have been in thrall to Milton Friedman and the Chicago School of Economics since Richard Nixon. It has lead to multiple stock market crashes, high inflation, high unemployment, the biggest transfer of wealth to corporations and the rich in US history, stagnant wages for the working poor and middle class, and massive deficits.

Sadly, idiots like you continue to believe these economic policies work despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Fortunately, the rest of the USA is waking up to the fact that you can't fix 40 years of mismanagement and misdirection in 4 years.

You swallowed the poison pill of free market reforms in the 1980's and until the balance is restored in wages and benefits to the working poor and middle class, you're going to have to deal with the consequences of allowing the Republicans to fuck over the poor and middle class, for a long time to come.

It seems to me that throughout human history there have always been the very rich and the very poor. At times there have been more of some and less of others. The size and prosperity of the middle class has seen ebbs and flows, as well. One thing for certain, we will never achieve total, absolute equality in all things. Life just doesn't work that way. Butwe should have enough perspective now to be able to analyze those periods when things were more balanced and the middle class was strongest. Instead of reinstating stupid, utopian socialist wet dreams, we should try to recreate those times when the greatest number managed to achieve some comfort, as epitomized by the middle class.

 

[jasonnfree]

Certainly not enough to live the good life.

when you have been ruined and cripppled by generations of welfare the good life is not having to answer to the man, to sleep in every day of your llife!!

When the top 1% own 60% of all the wealth? No? Of course not. They deserve it because they work smarter and harder than the rest of us, correct?

too stupid and liberal by 1000% if you work as hard and smart as Jobs, Gates, Buffett you 'd make their money too. Does it break your equalitarian little liberal heart to know you wern't good enough to make the Little League Team or work for Apple??

Also, its not 0 sum. Todays poor are better off than the rich of 50 years ago because of what the rich invented! Do you really want to steal from the rich like a common thief and perhaps lose the invention that might cost your child his life??? Think!!

See why we say a liberal wil be slow, so very very slow??

You're not aware, are you, that people like Jobs can take advantage of tax laws that I can't? One link below. Even when I made pretty good money, I couldn't declare places like Ireland or the Caymans as residence for tax purposes. I had to pay minimum wage also. Being a little guy with no more than five employees, I also couldn't pay a few dollars a day in wages like Carrier, Lucent, and Whirlpool did by moving to Mexico.
I was too small to bribe politicians like the "big boys" do to game the system, although I admit I'm small time and never had whatever it takes to get big, although if I could have declared an offshore residency for tax purposes and paid the wages that giants like Whirlpool do after they moved to Mexico, I would have done better.

Apple and Offshore Profits | US Uncut

 

[Flopper]

What a refreshingly novel idea it would be if they decided to get off their asses and earn feed for their spawn instead of demanding that others do it for them.

The woman in the story was going to school, raising two children and trying to better her situation but needed help getting there. I would saying she's working damn hard to make a better life for herself, and I'd give her a hand.

My first grandson was born when my daughter was 17. Without a high school education, she had no hope of getting a job that paid enough to support her and her son. She got government funded daycare and went back to school, then went to beauty school, while receiving social assistance. When she graduated, she found a program to pay half the salary for apprentices for one year and took an application for that program one of the top hairdressers in Canada and begged him to take her on as his apprentice. If he would, she would apply for the apprentice grant. When the grant ran out, he kept her on saying she was the most talented apprentice he had ever had.

Today, my daughter has her own salon, and employees three people. The Conservative government of Mike Harris, ended every single one of the programs, my daughter used to get herself off of social assistance.

It's a hand up, not a hand out.

Congratulations to your daughter for her success. I would consider her a fine example of how these programs should be used. I have no problem providing a hand up for those willing to work to improve themselves. But there are way too many people who don't use assistance to dig themselves out of the pit they find themselves occupying. They decide that it's easier not to work, and then they make a career out of mooching off the taxpayer. It is so bad, it's now become an inter-generational career path, passed from mother to daughter (usually).
We tried time-limiting how long a person could receive some types of assistance, but then wrote so many exceptions into the programs that limits make no difference. I would rather see receipt of public money tied to a work program, something like the apprenticeship you describe. I'd also like to see people required to pay back (at least some of) the funding they used to get a better start. Pay back into a program that could then be used to help other people in their situation. Right now we have a mindset that it's all "free". Free housing, free food, free medical, free goodies...but not one of those "free" programs is free. Somebody has to pay for all of those programs.

It's not just people on social programs that cheat. The IRS estimate that nearly two million taxpayers understate their income and overstate their exemptions, credits, and deductions. A consulting firm estimates that as many as 25% of the employee expense reports are exaggerated. Office workers spend 20% of their workday on non-job related activities. It should come as no surprise that some of the poorest least education people in the country cheat.

 

[Dragonlady]

Also, its not 0 sum. Todays poor are better off than the rich of 50 years ago because of what the rich invented! Do you really want to steal from the rich like a common thief and perhaps lose the invention that might cost your child his life??? Think!!

Not at all true. You're fixated on THINGS. People have flat screen TV's today, because that's all they sell, not because people are better off.

You keep talking like the rich did all the work to earn that money, but they didn't. They had people who worked for them and they made money off the backs of everyone they employed, all over the world, many of whom work in less than ideal conditions for very little money. This is especially true of large multi-national corporations.

The wealth of the country is still moving upward, and that's not good. This didn't happen until Reagan took office and it's high time it stopped, before the middle class is ruined. The working poor are already in dire straits.

 

[squeeze berry]

No, the charge that probably describe the above post is CLASSIST, more than racist.

Yes he did mention their race, but note how the insult was directed to POOR whites?

That's classism, not racism.

don't look now but..........


your double standards are showing

Not at all, Lad.

Perhaps I am simply more capable of understanding the difference between classism and racism than you are.

and I know hypocrisy when I see it

she brought race into it. How would the two of you react if the insult was directed at poor blacks?

I'll bet you would have a conniption, Esmerelda certainly would.

 

[JoeB131]

I have to wonder where there is someone who can survive on $700.00 a month?

The average SSDI payment in 2013 is $1,132. The maximum disability benefit in 2013 is $2,533. Often the women will get welfare or section 8 while the live in men will get disability.

1960 455,00 workers got disbility
2010 8.2 million
2011 8.6 million
2012 8.7 million

despite huge rise in public health and work place safety Barry lets millions and millions on disability so his unemployment numbers won't look so horrendous. Liberalism should be illegal!

Right now my sister is going round and round with the disability people, because she lost sight in her left eye and can't work as a nurse. If you really think it's that easy for people to get on disability, you are just stupid.

 

[squeeze berry]

I have to wonder where there is someone who can survive on $700.00 a month?

The average SSDI payment in 2013 is $1,132. The maximum disability benefit in 2013 is $2,533. Often the women will get welfare or section 8 while the live in men will get disability.

1960 455,00 workers got disbility
2010 8.2 million
2011 8.6 million
2012 8.7 million

despite huge rise in public health and work place safety Barry lets millions and millions on disability so his unemployment numbers won't look so horrendous. Liberalism should be illegal!

Right now my sister is going round and round with the disability people, because she lost sight in her left eye and can't work as a nurse. If you really think it's that easy for people to get on disability, you are just stupid.

can she work in another occupation?

The hospital needs medical billers, coders, appointment takers etc.

 

[editec]

don't look now but..........


your double standards are showing

Not at all, Lad.

Perhaps I am simply more capable of understanding the difference between classism and racism than you are.

and I know hypocrisy when I see it

she brought race into it. How would the two of you react if the insult was directed at poor blacks?

I'll bet you would have a conniption, Esmerelda certainly would.

If the insult was directly at POOR Blacks, it would STILL be classism.

If the insult were directed at ALL BLACKS, THEN it would be racism.

I don't know why this issue so confuses you.

Classism is thinking about people (either in a good OR a bad way) based on their socioeconomic class.

Racism is thinking about people (either in a good OR a bad way) based on their race.

Pretty simply concepts, really.

 

[JoeB131]

The average SSDI payment in 2013 is $1,132. The maximum disability benefit in 2013 is $2,533. Often the women will get welfare or section 8 while the live in men will get disability.

1960 455,00 workers got disbility
2010 8.2 million
2011 8.6 million
2012 8.7 million

despite huge rise in public health and work place safety Barry lets millions and millions on disability so his unemployment numbers won't look so horrendous. Liberalism should be illegal!

Right now my sister is going round and round with the disability people, because she lost sight in her left eye and can't work as a nurse. If you really think it's that easy for people to get on disability, you are just stupid.

can she work in another occupation?

The hospital needs medical billers, coders, appointment takers etc.

You mean a bunch of scrub jobs that don't pay as well, that they can easily hire someone to work for a lot less money.

Those kinds of jobs?

 

[Flopper]

I have to wonder where there is someone who can survive on $700.00 a month?

The average SSDI payment in 2013 is $1,132. The maximum disability benefit in 2013 is $2,533. Often the women will get welfare or section 8 while the live in men will get disability.

1960 455,00 workers got disbility
2010 8.2 million
2011 8.6 million
2012 8.7 million

despite huge rise in public health and work place safety Barry lets millions and millions on disability so his unemployment numbers won't look so horrendous. Liberalism should be illegal!

Right now my sister is going round and round with the disability people, because she lost sight in her left eye and can't work as a nurse. If you really think it's that easy for people to get on disability, you are just stupid.

Very true. I know someone who lost both legs in an auto accident and spent nearly two years fighting Social Security for disability benefits. This is a perfect example of government zeal to protect the tax payer at the cost to those who truly need help.

 

[Freemason9]

Apparently the best answer is forced contraception--otherwise, we'd have a bunch of homeless masses of single moms and children wandering around once we cut off their benefits. Because god knows America doesn't pay living wages to single women with children.

Also, the "rural heartland" would dry up and blow away. A good portion of the people in the rural hinterlands are on some kind of government assistance--social security, medicare, medicaid, disability (a ton of THAT), and farmer welfare. The funny part of that is that these are mostly Republicans.

 

[Claudette]

of course if she had adhered to Republican family values and had a child with a man she loved and to whom she was married all the welfare would not have been necessary in the first place.

She could have had an abortion. It was free. She opted to have her child and raise him. He's 24 now. If the sperm donor had stood by her and married her, she would have done so but he would have made a lousy husband. She was better off without him.

She's now married to a great guy, who loves her, who treats her well, and who is a great Dad to their three boys.

Your daughter was 17 I believe you said.

Your daughter was your and hubbys responsibility. Not the taxpayers of America. Tell me. Why did you expect the taxpayers of America too foot the bills for your daughter. Your responsibility?

You and your hubby should have payed for the delivery. Payed for her food. Payed for her medical for both she and the baby. Payed for her education. Why didn't that happen? She was, after all, your daughter. Your responsibilty.

Perhaps you decided you didn't want to pay for your daugter so palmed her off on the taxpayers of America.

Tell me. Has your daughter payed any of that money back to the taxpayers??

Thought not.

 

[Dragonlady]

Your daughter was your and hubbys responsibility. Not the taxpayers of America. Tell me. Why did you expect the taxpayers of America too foot the bills for your daughter. Your responsibility?

We are not Americans so the taxpayers of America paid for nothing.

Canadians don't have the same selfish attitude as Americans. And my daughter was not living at home when she got pregnant, nor did she live at home when she was raising my grandson. Had we just footed the bill and taken care of her, she would never have grown up, and taken responsibility. By letting her see just how hard things were going to be for herself, we let her know that she had to step it up and she did.

Parents can do too much for their children.

 

[Freemason9]

In America, if you can't afford to give birth in a hospital, you should just have the baby in the alley.

Because, "values."

LOL

 

[Claudette]

Oh so not wanting to pay for someones lack of responsibility is selfish??

Gottcha.

 

[ArmyCowboy]

In America, if you can't afford to give birth in a hospital, you should just have the baby in the alley.

Because, "values."

LOL

Republicans usually just care about a fetus until it's born.

Then its a worthless parasite sucking off the poor taxpayers.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

In America, if you can't afford to give birth in a hospital, you should just have the baby in the alley.

Because, "values."

LOL

Republicans usually just care about a fetus until it's born.

Then its a worthless parasite sucking off the poor taxpayers.

actually Republicans care a great deal that a baby is loved and supported by 2 parents as nature and God intended.

Liberals defy God, nature, science and human decency by putting poor men in jail and paying women per illegitimate child. You don't have a right to kill a baby or to have others support you and your baby. That's the way it was done in the glory days, before disgusting liberalism.

 

[ArmyCowboy]

In America, if you can't afford to give birth in a hospital, you should just have the baby in the alley.

Because, "values."

LOL

Republicans usually just care about a fetus until it's born.

Then its a worthless parasite sucking off the poor taxpayers.

actually Republicans care a great deal that a baby is loved and supported by 2 parents as nature and God intended.

Liberals defy God, nature, science and human decency by putting poor men in jail and paying women per illegitimate child. You don't have a right to kill a baby or to have others support you and your baby. That's the way it was done in the glory days, before disgusting liberalism.

Glory days? You mean right wing fantasy days, right?