Looming Republican Government Shutdown having Adverse effect on the Market.

[S.J.]

I hope the Republicans stand their ground on this. The only people who will blame them are the ones who vote Democrat anyway, so what do they have to lose?

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

The votes are in the House that would pass the bill that would prevent a shut down if it was presented as an up or down vote on a clean bill. It would pass with Republican votes. The speaker doesn't have the balls to confront the extreme element in his party. He is afraid he will loose his job as Speaker. Being Speaker is more important to him than the good of the country. He is a selfish coward. If he allows the vote on a clean bill it will pass, but he may loose his job as Speaker. Whats complicated about that?

If the Senate voted for the House bill and the president signed it it would also avert a shut down. Obviously the Dems want a shut down.
Amd they do. Obama has set it up, declaring he wont negotiate at the outset. Why? Because he's thinking this is 1995 all over again. But it isn't. The economy is shit due to his policies. And people are fed up with big government and especially with ACA, which was passed before anyone understood what it did.

Actually, the economy is doing pretty good...a lot better than when Obama took office.

You can't explain how any of Obama's policies have hurt the economy.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Don't be ridiculous.

Why should he cave?

The Affordable Care Act was passed by a democratically elected Congress, signed by a democratically elected president, and upheld by the Supreme Court.

U.S. voters had a chance to get rid of it in an election. Instead they voted to keep it because the democrats won and the republicans lost.

It's called democracy.

Shutting down the government, just because they didn't get their way on 1 law is tyrannical.

The Act was passed solely by democrats without a single republican vote.

So?

So, they passed it despite the will of their constituents, rammed it down Republicans throats, exempted themselves from the law, and are now threatening...no...are going to shut down the government because they won't make any concessions.

 

[TemplarKormac]

The votes are in the House that would pass the bill that would prevent a shut down if it was presented as an up or down vote on a clean bill. It would pass with Republican votes. The speaker doesn't have the balls to confront the extreme element in his party. He is afraid he will loose his job as Speaker. Being Speaker is more important to him than the good of the country. He is a selfish coward. If he allows the vote on a clean bill it will pass, but he may loose his job as Speaker. Whats complicated about that?

If the Senate voted for the House bill and the president signed it it would also avert a shut down. Obviously the Dems want a shut down.
Amd they do. Obama has set it up, declaring he wont negotiate at the outset. Why? Because he's thinking this is 1995 all over again. But it isn't. The economy is shit due to his policies. And people are fed up with big government and especially with ACA, which was passed before anyone understood what it did.

Actually, the economy is doing pretty good...a lot better than when Obama took office.

You can't explain how any of Obama's policies have hurt the economy.

Actually, there are record numbers of people on food stamps, welfare or other forms of government "assistance," our workforce participation rate is the lowest it's been in four decades and we have almost $17 trillion in debt.

You can't explain how any of Obama's policies have helped the economy.

 

[Sallow]

If the Senate voted for the House bill and the president signed it it would also avert a shut down. Obviously the Dems want a shut down.
Amd they do. Obama has set it up, declaring he wont negotiate at the outset. Why? Because he's thinking this is 1995 all over again. But it isn't. The economy is shit due to his policies. And people are fed up with big government and especially with ACA, which was passed before anyone understood what it did.

Actually, the economy is doing pretty good...a lot better than when Obama took office.

You can't explain how any of Obama's policies have hurt the economy.

Actually, there are record numbers of people on food stamps, welfare or other forms of government "assistance," our workforce participation rate is the lowest it's been in four decades and we have almost $17 trillion in debt.

You can't explain how any of Obama's policies have helped the economy.

Which are ALL the result of conservative policies.

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

Then obama should not veto the proposed budget. Then there will be no shutdown. Reid should pass it and obama should sign it.

Don't be ridiculous.

Why should he cave?

The Affordable Care Act was passed by a democratically elected Congress, signed by a democratically elected president, and upheld by the Supreme Court.

U.S. voters had a chance to get rid of it in an election. Instead they voted to keep it because the democrats won and the republicans lost.

It's called democracy.

Shutting down the government, just because they didn't get their way on 1 law is tyrannical.

So let me see if I understand how this works...

If your side controls the House, Senate and the Oval Office and push through a bill that the American people didn't really want...rushing it through before the representatives that the voters just elected could stop it...then that bill is UNTOUCHABLE? Because you managed to get it through before the American people could stop you...they have no recourse now but to live with it?

Let's be honest about this situation...the progressive wing of the Democratic Party pushed for ObamaCare. It's not a well written piece of legislation. If it's allowed to stand without major changes it's going to be a train wreck. That's something that many Democrats have already admitted. So where is the compromise from the Obama Administration on this law? What have they compromised on EVER? They have taken the same tact as you...that ObamaCare is established...therefore it is written in stone! Written in stone even though enormous parts of it simply won't work.

Man, you are dumb.

The American people did have recourse. It was called the 2010 and 2012 elections. They failed to take control of the Senate and the White House.

Most of the Affordable Care Act is not even a progressive idea. It is a republican idea. The only reason republicans turned against it was because democrats were for it.

Obama has offered to compromise on the Affordable Care Act. Defunding and delaying the entire law is not a compromise position. Therefore, it is republicans who are not compromising.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Actually, the economy is doing pretty good...a lot better than when Obama took office.

You can't explain how any of Obama's policies have hurt the economy.

Actually, there are record numbers of people on food stamps, welfare or other forms of government "assistance," our workforce participation rate is the lowest it's been in four decades and we have almost $17 trillion in debt.

You can't explain how any of Obama's policies have helped the economy.

Which are ALL the result of conservative policies.

The democrat MO for 13 years. Any problems are to be blamed exclusively on republicans.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Actually, the economy is doing pretty good...a lot better than when Obama took office.

You can't explain how any of Obama's policies have hurt the economy.

Actually, there are record numbers of people on food stamps, welfare or other forms of government "assistance," our workforce participation rate is the lowest it's been in four decades and we have almost $17 trillion in debt.

You can't explain how any of Obama's policies have helped the economy.

Which are ALL the result of conservative policies.

Can you explain in detail? Or are you talking out of your backside as you usually do?

 

[Sallow]

Actually, there are record numbers of people on food stamps, welfare or other forms of government "assistance," our workforce participation rate is the lowest it's been in four decades and we have almost $17 trillion in debt.

You can't explain how any of Obama's policies have helped the economy.

Which are ALL the result of conservative policies.

Can you explain in detail? Or are you talking out of your backside as you usually do?

I'll start slowly because I realize you are sort of "special".

Reagan broke the Air Traffic Controller Union. That was basically a first for a president and started the downward slide on Union Membership.

Curiously enough, it also was the start of wage stagnation.

 

[Sallow]

Actually, there are record numbers of people on food stamps, welfare or other forms of government "assistance," our workforce participation rate is the lowest it's been in four decades and we have almost $17 trillion in debt.

You can't explain how any of Obama's policies have helped the economy.

Which are ALL the result of conservative policies.

The democrat MO for 13 years. Any problems are to be blamed exclusively on republicans.

The US is the richest nation on earth. It also has the most billionaires. It also has the widest wealth disparity.

That IS the result of conservative policies.

So? Why aren't you folks happy? Huh? You should be doing fucking jigs in the streets.

 

[BlindBoo]

If the Senate voted for the House bill and the president signed it it would also avert a shut down. Obviously the Dems want a shut down.
Amd they do. Obama has set it up, declaring he wont negotiate at the outset. Why? Because he's thinking this is 1995 all over again. But it isn't. The economy is shit due to his policies. And people are fed up with big government and especially with ACA, which was passed before anyone understood what it did.

Nonsense. The Dem's don't want to negociate a law that was passed by Congress, signed by the President and ruled constitutional by the Supreme Court. Nor do they want to negociate a Republican bill full of controversial riders in exchange for keeping the government from defaulting on it's debts and shutting down needed services that are provided to citizens by the government. Dem's know that a clean bill would pass with Republican votes. Why should they prevent the Repub's from becoming known as disfunctional loosers to a growing number of citizens and voters?

Yeah, in your support, might I add that dimocraps have always been like this.

Like Dred Scott? Remember that case by a dimocrap Supreme Court?

Or, how about all the Laws passed by dimocraps that made the returning of Run-away Slaves to the South from the North easier...... And the LAW!!!????

Seems to me, it was Republicans trying to change those Laws, too.

Laws are made to be repealed.

How disingenuous can you be. Dred Scott? Really?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Which are ALL the result of conservative policies.

Can you explain in detail? Or are you talking out of your backside as you usually do?

I'll start slowly because I realize you are sort of "special".

Reagan broke the Air Traffic Controller Union. That was basically a first for a president and started the downward slide on Union Membership.

Curiously enough, it also was the start of wage stagnation.

How does that have anything to do with what I just said?

 

[Eaglewings]

A majority of Americans have voted against these stupid ass extreme green eggs and hams.

They just don't know it yet because they have been so busy trying to make a black elected man look bad.

Again the majority of American's are voicing that it will be the republicans causing the shut-down and we continue to see the jokers in denial.

Go ahead and put Ted Cruz on a pedestal ... Haaaa your almost guaranteeing the democrats a easy win.

When are they going to see that most of America ( including many many Republicans ) find their views way to far out there and will more than likely fail every time.

 

[Rozman]

For the third time in US history, Conservative Republicans are engaging in a petulant power play against a Liberal Democratic President.

For the first time in American History, the Conservative Republicans are using the Debt Ceiling as a means to defund a law they don't like.

Markets are reeling..

Breaking News

U.S. stocks sink at the open as federal shutdown looms. Dow sheds 150 points. Nasdaq slides 1%. S&P 500 falls 0.9%.
CNNMoney - Business, financial and personal finance news

That's it 150 points.....
Like the market never lost 150 points before...
It's only happened like a billion times.

And we are not even at the point of the debt ceiling issue yet...

 

[Yurt]

Then obama should not veto the proposed budget. Then there will be no shutdown. Reid should pass it and obama should sign it.

exactly....but the dems and obama believe obamacare is more important...hence the title of this thread is false

 

[Mac1958]

.

ObamaCare passed in March, 2010.

That means the Republicans had two and a half fucking Y-E-A-R-S to come up with a clear, workable, explainable alternative. Something they could have given a nice, simple, memorable name, printed out into a nice bright booklet, and shoved in everyone's face until we were fucking sick of it. The media would not have been able to avoid it.

Instead, they threw out a few basic ideas, said "no" a lot, and here we are.

Many political defeats are self-inflicted wounds, and we're looking at one here.

.

 

[TooTall]

The votes are in the House that would pass the bill that would prevent a shut down if it was presented as an up or down vote on a clean bill. It would pass with Republican votes. The speaker doesn't have the balls to confront the extreme element in his party. He is afraid he will loose his job as Speaker. Being Speaker is more important to him than the good of the country. He is a selfish coward. If he allows the vote on a clean bill it will pass, but he may loose his job as Speaker. Whats complicated about that?

What you call a clean bill raises taxes, increases spending and adds billions to the deficit. That irresponsible spending is what has caused the $17 trillion national debt. Screw that!

 

[Contumacious]

It's called democracy.

Shutting down the government, just because they didn't get their way on 1 law is tyrannical.

Tyranny by the majority is tyranny nevertheless.

And we are supposed to have a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC not a democracy.

My rights should NOT be subject to majority rule.

.

 

[zeke]

.

ObamaCare passed in March, 2010.

That means the Republicans had two and a half fucking Y-E-A-R-S to come up with a clear, workable, explainable alternative. Something they could have given a nice, simple, memorable name, printed out into a nice bright booklet, and shoved in everyone's face until we were fucking sick of it. The media would not have been able to avoid it.

Instead, they threw out a few basic ideas, said "no" a lot, and here we are.

Many political defeats are self-inflicted wounds, and we're looking at one here.

.

MAC. You never use the word "fucking". Are you really pissed?

But that is a good question about why no good alternative was ever presented in a clear concise manner that everyone could understand. 2 1/2 years and nothing. Not even a decent proposal to fix what ails Obamacare.

The Tea party politicians are desperate though. They have no reason to even BE in office IF they can't shut down Obamacare. Talk about a bunch of people in Washington with no legislative experience. And I do believe a lot of Tea party folks will be looking for work after 2014. I mean really, what good are they?

 

[francoHFW]

77- The CBO says you are horribly misinformed...