MAGA is growing stronger !

conservatives arent trying to imprison the leading candidate of the opposition . conservatives arent scheduling court dates that interfere with the presidential elections .. conservatives didnt weaponize the intelligence community and the doj to get an illegal fisa warrant in order to destroy the presidency of the opposition . conservatives didnt partner with the intel community ,the msm , and social media giants to censor and deny info from voters about the democrat candidates dirty business dealings ! everything i posted is absolutely true ! you know it i know it everyone knows it ! but it doesnt matter to you or people like you ... as long as you win .

You wanted Trump.. You didn't care if he was uneducated and profane. You didn't care if he was a cheat and a bully all his life. You got Gaddafi.
 
and the communists need to be concerned about who they are going to run in 2024 cause Biden aint running !
Gotcha covered!
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so killing millions of people in forced labor camps and soviet gulags like Stalin did isnt murder eh ?
No, because the supposed "millions of INNOCENT people forced into labor camps/soviet gulags", like Stalin supposedly did, didn't happen as Western capitalist polemicists claim. The USSR was a new nation with over 130 million people in the 1920s and 195 million in 1941 when it was invaded by four million German Nazis. Your disingenuous, hypocritical, self-serving scary campfire stories about the "evil communists forcing poor innocent little lambs into the gulag in Siberia, FOREVER", are absolute bullshit. Did a large number of people go to the Gulag? Yeah. Maybe even a few million, yep. Were they all "innocent little angels"? NO.

Do you think American prisons are much better than the Gulag? Sentences were always 10 years or less in the Gulag. It wasn't as bad as it is portrayed by anti-communists. If I had a choice of going to an American prison for ten years or the Soviet Gulag. I would choose the Gulag.


Why don't you ever mention the millions of socialists, pro-Soviets, both combatants and civilians who were killed at the hands of anti-soviets? Do you only care about the kings, capitalists, and their minions?

Pro-tsarist, capitalist forces, known as the "white armies", comprised of all of the Russian anti-communists and foreign invaders, who fought the Red Army and the millions of pro-communist civilians who supported the Reds, are never mentioned. It's as if you conveniently forgot the fact that between 1917 and 1941 (pre-WW2), the Soviets were constantly fighting and dealing with those who wanted to destroy their new country and re-establish the old tyranny of the kings and capitalists.

The Germans invaded not to restore anything to Russia, they just wanted to annihilate the Russians and of course, they lost. When communists are committed to their cause, no one can beat them.

Millions of communists, both combatants and civilians died at the hands of anti-communist forces and agents. You only care about the imprisonment or death of anti-communist combatants and agents, without mentioning all of the suffering and bloodshed committed against pro-Soviet soldiers and civilians.

More, as a defender of capitalist imperialism, you have no moral high ground upon which to stand and point your crooked feculent finger at communists and their supposed crimes. Capitalists through imperialist colonialism killed many more millions than communists ever did, so you're a cheap, delusional capitalist polemicist.

Even recently, when one considers all of the millions of innocent lives ruined and killed by the United States and NATO in its wars in Iraq, and Afghanistan, including Libya, Syria, Yemen, and Ukraine, all of these places where America and Europe orchestrate their deadly coups, and arm murderous rebels to fight civil wars. Your power-hungry, profiteering psychopathic friends, don't care how many die, as long they make more money $$$$$$$$$$$. That's capitalism. It murders millions for profits.

Here are former CIA officers admitting that they fabricated false stories about communists, in order to demonize them in the minds of gullible Westerners like you:








Then of course, we have the so-called "BLACK BOOK OF COMMUNISM", published by a group of Western, communist-hating, pro-capitalist academics, Stéphane Courtois Nicolas Werth, Jean-Louis Panné, Jean-Louis Margolin, where they even counted the deaths of German-Nazis, to come to their bloated death-toll figure, of "100 Million Dead by EVIL COMMUNISM". Dead Nazis are also factored in!!!! Not only that, but they also counted all of the children who supposedly wouldn't be born due to communism. Later, most of the authors renounced the work, saying that it presented an exaggerated account of how many died "as a result of communism".




All of you capitalist apologists are full of shit.
 
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No, because the supposed "millions of INNOCENT people forced into labor camps/soviet gulags", like Stalin supposedly did, didn't happen as Western capitalist polemicists claim. The USSR was a new nation with over 130 million people in the 1920s and 195 million in 1941 when it was invaded by four million German Nazis. Your disingenuous, hypocritical, self-serving scary campfire stories about the "evil communists forcing poor innocent little lambs into the gulag in Siberia, FOREVER", are absolute bullshit. Did a large number of people go to the Gulag? Yeah. Maybe even a few million, yep. Were they all "innocent little angels"? NO.

Do you think American prisons are much better than the Gulag? Sentences were always 10 years or less in the Gulag. It wasn't as bad as it is portrayed by anti-communists. If I had a choice of going to an American prison for ten years or the Soviet Gulag. I would choose the Gulag.


Why don't you ever mention the millions of socialists, pro-Soviets, both combatants and civilians who were killed at the hands of anti-soviets? Do you only care about the kings, capitalists, and their minions?

Pro-tsarist, capitalist forces, known as the "white armies", comprised of all of the Russian anti-communists and foreign invaders, who fought the Red Army and the millions of pro-communist civilians who supported the Reds, are never mentioned. It's as if you conveniently forgot the fact that between 1917 and 1941 (pre-WW2), the Soviets were constantly fighting and dealing with those who wanted to destroy their new country and re-establish the old tyranny of the kings and capitalists.

The Germans invaded not to restore anything to Russia, they just wanted to annihilate the Russians and of course, they lost. When communists are committed to their cause, no one can beat them.

Millions of communists, both combatants and civilians died at the hands of anti-communist forces and agents. You only care about the imprisonment or death of anti-communist combatants and agents, without mentioning all of the suffering and bloodshed committed against pro-Soviet soldiers and civilians.

More, as a defender of capitalist imperialism, you have no moral high ground upon which to stand and point your crooked feculent finger at communists and their supposed crimes. Capitalists through imperialist colonialism killed many more millions than communists ever did, so you're a cheap, delusional capitalist polemicist.

Even recently, when one considers all of the millions of innocent lives ruined and killed by the United States and NATO in its wars in Iraq, and Afghanistan, including Libya, Syria, Yemen, and Ukraine, all of these places where America and Europe orchestrate their deadly coups, and arm murderous rebels to fight civil wars. Your power-hungry, profiteering psychopathic friends, don't care how many die, as long they make more money $$$$$$$$$$$. That's capitalism. It murders millions for profits.

Here are former CIA officers admitting that they fabricated false stories about communists, in order to demonize them in the minds of gullible Westerners like you:








Then of course, we have the so-called "BLACK BOOK OF COMMUNISM", published by a group of Western, communist-hating, pro-capitalist academics, Stéphane Courtois Nicolas Werth, Jean-Louis Panné, Jean-Louis Margolin, where they even counted the deaths of German-Nazis, to come to their bloated death-toll figure, of "100 Million Dead by EVIL COMMUNISM". Dead Nazis are also factored in!!!! Not only that, but they also counted all of the children who supposedly wouldn't be born due to communism. Later, most of the authors renounced the work, saying that it presented an exaggerated account of how many died "as a result of communism".



All of you capitalist apologists are full of shit.

Interviewer: The Soviets use the phase, “ideological subversion”. What do they mean by that?


Bezmenov: Ideological subversion is the process which is legitimate overt and open. You can see it with your own eyes. All you have to do, all the American mass media has to do is to unplug their bananas from their ears, open up their eyes and they can see. There’s no mystery. There’s nothing to do with espionage. I know espionage intelligence gathering looks more romantic, it sells more deodorants through their advertising, probably. That’s why your Hollywood producers are so crazy about James Bond type of thrillers. But in reality, the main emphasis of the KGB is not in the area of intelligence at all! According to my opinion, and the opinion of many defectors of my caliber, only about 15% of time, money and manpower is spent on espionage as such. The other 85% is a slow process which we call either ideological subversion or active measures, (2 Russian words, активные something, I couldn’t catch it) in the language of the KGB, or psychological warfare. What it basically means is, to change the perception of reality of every American to such as extent that in spite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community and their country.

It’s a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided into four basic stages, the first one being demoralization. It takes from 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation. Why that many years? Because this is the minimum number of years which is required to educate one generation of students in the country of your enemy exposed to the ideology of your enemy. In other words, Marxism / Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least 3 generations of American students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism, American patriotism.

The demoralization process in the United States is basically completed already, for the last 25 years, actually it’s over fulfilled because demoralization now reaches such areas where previously not even Comrade Andropov and all his experts would even dream of such a tremendous success. Most of it is being done by Americans to Americans thanks to a lack of moral standards. As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter any more. A person who is demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him. Even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents, with pictures, even if I take him by force to the Soviet Union and show him a concentration camp, he will refuse to believe it until he’s going to receive a kick in his fat bottom. When a military boot crushes his balls, then he will understand, but not before that. That’s the tragedy of the situation of demoralization.

The next stage is destabilization. This time, the subverter does not care about your ideas and the patterns of your consumption, whether you eat junk food and get fat and flabby, it doesn’t matter anymore. This time, and it takes only from 2 to 5 years to destabilize a nation, what matters is essentials, the economy, foreign relations, defense systems. And you can see quite clearly that in some areas in such sensitive areas as defense and economy, the influence of Marxist / Leninist ideas in the United States is absolutely fantastic. I could never believe it 14 years ago when I landed in this part of the world that the process will go that fast.

The next stage of course is crisis. It may take only up to 6 weeks to bring a country up to the verge of crisis. You can see them in Central America now.

And after crisis, with a violent change of power, structure and economy, you have a period of so called normalization. It may last indefinitely. Normalization is a cynical expression born from Soviet propaganda. When the Soviet tanks moved into Czechoslovakia in ’68, Comrade Brezhnev said, “Now the situation in brotherly Czechoslovakia is normalized!” This is what will happen in the United States if you allow all these smucks to bring the country to crisis, to promise people all kind of goodies and a paradise on earth, to destabilize your economy, to eliminate the principle of free market competition, and to put a Big Brother government in Washington D.C. With benevolent dictators like Walter Mondale who will promise lots of things, never mind whether the promises are fulfilled or not.
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...and then there's rEd fRoNt 🤪
 
Interviewer: The Soviets use the phase, “ideological subversion”. What do they mean by that?


Bezmenov: Ideological subversion is the process which is legitimate overt and open. You can see it with your own eyes. All you have to do, all the American mass media has to do is to unplug their bananas from their ears, open up their eyes and they can see. There’s no mystery. There’s nothing to do with espionage. I know espionage intelligence gathering looks more romantic, it sells more deodorants through their advertising, probably. That’s why your Hollywood producers are so crazy about James Bond type of thrillers. But in reality, the main emphasis of the KGB is not in the area of intelligence at all! According to my opinion, and the opinion of many defectors of my caliber, only about 15% of time, money and manpower is spent on espionage as such. The other 85% is a slow process which we call either ideological subversion or active measures, (2 Russian words, активные something, I couldn’t catch it) in the language of the KGB, or psychological warfare. What it basically means is, to change the perception of reality of every American to such as extent that in spite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community and their country.

It’s a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided into four basic stages, the first one being demoralization. It takes from 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation. Why that many years? Because this is the minimum number of years which is required to educate one generation of students in the country of your enemy exposed to the ideology of your enemy. In other words, Marxism / Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least 3 generations of American students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism, American patriotism.

The demoralization process in the United States is basically completed already, for the last 25 years, actually it’s over fulfilled because demoralization now reaches such areas where previously not even Comrade Andropov and all his experts would even dream of such a tremendous success. Most of it is being done by Americans to Americans thanks to a lack of moral standards. As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter any more. A person who is demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him. Even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents, with pictures, even if I take him by force to the Soviet Union and show him a concentration camp, he will refuse to believe it until he’s going to receive a kick in his fat bottom. When a military boot crushes his balls, then he will understand, but not before that. That’s the tragedy of the situation of demoralization.

The next stage is destabilization. This time, the subverter does not care about your ideas and the patterns of your consumption, whether you eat junk food and get fat and flabby, it doesn’t matter anymore. This time, and it takes only from 2 to 5 years to destabilize a nation, what matters is essentials, the economy, foreign relations, defense systems. And you can see quite clearly that in some areas in such sensitive areas as defense and economy, the influence of Marxist / Leninist ideas in the United States is absolutely fantastic. I could never believe it 14 years ago when I landed in this part of the world that the process will go that fast.

The next stage of course is crisis. It may take only up to 6 weeks to bring a country up to the verge of crisis. You can see them in Central America now.

And after crisis, with a violent change of power, structure and economy, you have a period of so called normalization. It may last indefinitely. Normalization is a cynical expression born from Soviet propaganda. When the Soviet tanks moved into Czechoslovakia in ’68, Comrade Brezhnev said, “Now the situation in brotherly Czechoslovakia is normalized!” This is what will happen in the United States if you allow all these smucks to bring the country to crisis, to promise people all kind of goodies and a paradise on earth, to destabilize your economy, to eliminate the principle of free market competition, and to put a Big Brother government in Washington D.C. With benevolent dictators like Walter Mondale who will promise lots of things, never mind whether the promises are fulfilled or not.
_________________________

...and then there's rEd fRoNt 🤪
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Interviewer: The Soviets use the phase, “ideological subversion”. What do they mean by that?


Bezmenov: Ideological subversion is the process which is legitimate overt and open. You can see it with your own eyes. All you have to do, all the American mass media has to do is to unplug their bananas from their ears, open up their eyes and they can see. There’s no mystery. There’s nothing to do with espionage. I know espionage intelligence gathering looks more romantic, it sells more deodorants through their advertising, probably. That’s why your Hollywood producers are so crazy about James Bond type of thrillers. But in reality, the main emphasis of the KGB is not in the area of intelligence at all! According to my opinion, and the opinion of many defectors of my caliber, only about 15% of time, money and manpower is spent on espionage as such. The other 85% is a slow process which we call either ideological subversion or active measures, (2 Russian words, активные something, I couldn’t catch it) in the language of the KGB, or psychological warfare. What it basically means is, to change the perception of reality of every American to such as extent that in spite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community and their country.

It’s a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided into four basic stages, the first one being demoralization. It takes from 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation. Why that many years? Because this is the minimum number of years which is required to educate one generation of students in the country of your enemy exposed to the ideology of your enemy. In other words, Marxism / Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least 3 generations of American students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism, American patriotism.

The demoralization process in the United States is basically completed already, for the last 25 years, actually it’s over fulfilled because demoralization now reaches such areas where previously not even Comrade Andropov and all his experts would even dream of such a tremendous success. Most of it is being done by Americans to Americans thanks to a lack of moral standards. As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter any more. A person who is demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him. Even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents, with pictures, even if I take him by force to the Soviet Union and show him a concentration camp, he will refuse to believe it until he’s going to receive a kick in his fat bottom. When a military boot crushes his balls, then he will understand, but not before that. That’s the tragedy of the situation of demoralization.

The next stage is destabilization. This time, the subverter does not care about your ideas and the patterns of your consumption, whether you eat junk food and get fat and flabby, it doesn’t matter anymore. This time, and it takes only from 2 to 5 years to destabilize a nation, what matters is essentials, the economy, foreign relations, defense systems. And you can see quite clearly that in some areas in such sensitive areas as defense and economy, the influence of Marxist / Leninist ideas in the United States is absolutely fantastic. I could never believe it 14 years ago when I landed in this part of the world that the process will go that fast.

The next stage of course is crisis. It may take only up to 6 weeks to bring a country up to the verge of crisis. You can see them in Central America now.

And after crisis, with a violent change of power, structure and economy, you have a period of so called normalization. It may last indefinitely. Normalization is a cynical expression born from Soviet propaganda. When the Soviet tanks moved into Czechoslovakia in ’68, Comrade Brezhnev said, “Now the situation in brotherly Czechoslovakia is normalized!” This is what will happen in the United States if you allow all these smucks to bring the country to crisis, to promise people all kind of goodies and a paradise on earth, to destabilize your economy, to eliminate the principle of free market competition, and to put a Big Brother government in Washington D.C. With benevolent dictators like Walter Mondale who will promise lots of things, never mind whether the promises are fulfilled or not.
_________________________

...and then there's rEd fRoNt 🤪

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You have zero evidence for what you're claiming, you just have your silly conspiracy theories.

  1. Ideological Subversion:
    • The assertion that ideological subversion was a primary objective of the KGB, consuming 85% of its efforts, is an oversimplification. Intelligence agencies, by their very nature, prioritize a multifaceted approach that includes intelligence gathering, counterintelligence, and other more conventional activities.
    • Portraying ideological subversion as a purely Soviet or communist concept is misleading. Throughout history, many nations and ideologies have employed similar tactics, including capitalist states in their efforts to promote their own values abroad. I presented actual evidence, of several former CIA officers, admitting that they were fabricating lies against communism.
  2. Education & Demoralization:
    • To claim that 3 generations of American students have been exposed to and indoctrinated with Marxism/Leninism, without being challenged, is rubbish. The U.S. educational system, throughout the Cold War, emphasized American values and was often criticized for its overt anti-communist stance.
    • Historically, the U.S. engaged in its own forms of ideological "subversion", such as Radio Free Europe and Voice of America, which broadcast pro-capitalist and pro-American propaganda into communist territories. The mutual attempts at ideological influence were a hallmark of the Cold War era. The West took it even further by fabricating a bunch of lies about communism and communists. Again, I proved that in an earlier post by presenting the confessions of former CIA agents who admitted that they fabricated false stories against communists, and spread false propaganda about communism.
  3. Lack of Moral Standards:
    • The idea that demoralization is solely a result of a "lack of moral standards" and that only a "kick in the fat bottom" can wake up demoralized individuals is an overly dramatic portrayal, that ignores the real issues behind people's supposed "demoralization".
  4. Destabilization, Crisis, and Normalization:
    • Linking every internal crisis or issue faced by the U.S. to a grand Soviet or Marxist plot undermines the complex, multi-causal nature of geopolitical events. Not every crisis faced by a country can be attributed to external ideological subversion.
    • The insinuation that figures like Walter Mondale are part of some covert Marxist plot is unfounded conspiracy thinking. Mondale, like many mainstream politicians, operated within the framework of the U.S. democratic system, and linking him to a "Big Brother government" is fucking silly. But you're an idiot, so it's not surprising that you would believe such nonsense.
  5. Normalization & Czechoslovakia:
    • The US has intervened in many foreign countries in the last 150 years, with devastating effects, much worse than what was experienced in Czechoslovakia in 1968. So you have no moral high ground upon which to stand and point your crooked feculent finger at communists.
  6. Crisis in Central America:
    • To claim that events in Central America were purely a result of Marxist subversion is reductive. The region's political instability was also influenced by U.S. interventions, such as support for Contras in Nicaragua. The American wealthy elites have considered Latin America as a source of cheap labor and materials. They see it as a place they have the right to exploit for their personal gain, and socialists disrupting their plans by empowering the people of those nations to liberate themselves from Yankee imperialism, is seen as an act of war by American capitalist imperialists. Well fuck them, too bad.
Your post relies heavily on conspiracy, oversimplification, and selective historical references. You're cherry-picking historical events completely ignoring the negative role the US and its capitalist elites have played in demoralizing its own American population and causing immeasurable harm to third-world countries. So go fuck yourself you worthless piece of dog shit. How about that punk?
 
No, because the supposed "millions of INNOCENT people forced into labor camps/soviet gulags", like Stalin supposedly did, didn't happen as Western capitalist polemicists claim. The USSR was a new nation with over 130 million people in the 1920s and 195 million in 1941 when it was invaded by four million German Nazis. Your disingenuous, hypocritical, self-serving scary campfire stories about the "evil communists forcing poor innocent little lambs into the gulag in Siberia, FOREVER", are absolute bullshit. Did a large number of people go to the Gulag? Yeah. Maybe even a few million, yep. Were they all "innocent little angels"? NO.

Do you think American prisons are much better than the Gulag? Sentences were always 10 years or less in the Gulag. It wasn't as bad as it is portrayed by anti-communists. If I had a choice of going to an American prison for ten years or the Soviet Gulag. I would choose the Gulag.


Why don't you ever mention the millions of socialists, pro-Soviets, both combatants and civilians who were killed at the hands of anti-soviets? Do you only care about the kings, capitalists, and their minions?

Pro-tsarist, capitalist forces, known as the "white armies", comprised of all of the Russian anti-communists and foreign invaders, who fought the Red Army and the millions of pro-communist civilians who supported the Reds, are never mentioned. It's as if you conveniently forgot the fact that between 1917 and 1941 (pre-WW2), the Soviets were constantly fighting and dealing with those who wanted to destroy their new country and re-establish the old tyranny of the kings and capitalists.

The Germans invaded not to restore anything to Russia, they just wanted to annihilate the Russians and of course, they lost. When communists are committed to their cause, no one can beat them.

Millions of communists, both combatants and civilians died at the hands of anti-communist forces and agents. You only care about the imprisonment or death of anti-communist combatants and agents, without mentioning all of the suffering and bloodshed committed against pro-Soviet soldiers and civilians.

More, as a defender of capitalist imperialism, you have no moral high ground upon which to stand and point your crooked feculent finger at communists and their supposed crimes. Capitalists through imperialist colonialism killed many more millions than communists ever did, so you're a cheap, delusional capitalist polemicist.

Even recently, when one considers all of the millions of innocent lives ruined and killed by the United States and NATO in its wars in Iraq, and Afghanistan, including Libya, Syria, Yemen, and Ukraine, all of these places where America and Europe orchestrate their deadly coups, and arm murderous rebels to fight civil wars. Your power-hungry, profiteering psychopathic friends, don't care how many die, as long they make more money $$$$$$$$$$$. That's capitalism. It murders millions for profits.

Here are former CIA officers admitting that they fabricated false stories about communists, in order to demonize them in the minds of gullible Westerners like you:








Then of course, we have the so-called "BLACK BOOK OF COMMUNISM", published by a group of Western, communist-hating, pro-capitalist academics, Stéphane Courtois Nicolas Werth, Jean-Louis Panné, Jean-Louis Margolin, where they even counted the deaths of German-Nazis, to come to their bloated death-toll figure, of "100 Million Dead by EVIL COMMUNISM". Dead Nazis are also factored in!!!! Not only that, but they also counted all of the children who supposedly wouldn't be born due to communism. Later, most of the authors renounced the work, saying that it presented an exaggerated account of how many died "as a result of communism".



All of you capitalist apologists are full of shit.

more people in the last 100 yrs starved under communist [marxist] rule than capitalism . fact .
 
here are just a few examples ... and there are many many more at the state and local levels . View attachment 822855View attachment 822856View attachment 822857View attachment 822858View attachment 822859
You didn't answer my question. I didn't ask you to tell me which Democrats, you believe are Marxist-socialists (on the path to communism as you described), but rather, WHY, do you believe Democrats are Marxist socialists? What government policies do they support that supposedly, make them Marxist socialists, on the road to communism?

Do you believe just a few Democrats are socialists (the ones displayed above), or are most Democrat politicians socialists? Answer those two questions if you can. Again, you never answered my first question.
 
more people in the last 100 yrs starved under communist [marxist] rule than capitalism . fact .
Wrong. Many more people starved and are starving right now, under capitalism than under socialism. Most impoverished countries are run by capitalists, not socialists. From Ethiopia to Haiti, it's all capitalist-run, not socialist.
 
You didn't answer my question. I didn't ask you to tell me which Democrats, you believe are Marxist-socialists (on the path to communism as you described), but rather, WHY, do you believe Democrats are Marxist socialists? What government policies do they support that supposedly, make them Marxist socialists, on the road to communism?

Do you believe just a few Democrats are socialists (the ones displayed above), or are most Democrat politicians socialists? Answer those two questions if you can. Again, you never answered my first question.
most modern dems are socialists does that answer your question Red Fag ?
 

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