Maine’s passage of ‘right to food’ amendment stirs celebration, worry

[danielpalos]

and it’s a lie. UE insurance is not a civil right…haha

I am not claiming it is. I am claiming and petitioning before the Court, that equal protection of the laws is a civil right.

 

[danielpalos]

You're in denial. You won't get a 2.0 multiplier because you're changing the source of funding.

lol. Nobody, and I really mean nobody, who understands economics takes right-wingers seriously about economics.

 

[danielpalos]

Okay, so when does it get cut off because you're old enough to retire?

Eventually, social security would be a duplicate service. However, why bother complaining if some resort to "greed" instead of need, while they are resorting to unemployment compensation (a form of minimum not maximum wage) if they are taxed at a higher rate to ensure the higher multiplier?

 

[danielpalos]

Which means a 90 year old who hasn't worked a day in his life collects UC until the day he dies. That's called welfare.

An exception to the rule? It would be called welfare since he should have been examined by medical professionals to ensure it was not for health related reasons.

 

[danielpalos]

Wait a minute, now you're saying the person has to be in poverty? You're means testing again.

I am saying keeping someone out of poverty should be automatic with unemployment compensation.

 

[danielpalos]

And there's the means testing.

You have to be unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment State to automatically be eligible for unemployment compensation.

Why would someone not in poverty want to apply for unemployment compensation?

 

[danielpalos]

Nope, they can't force you to work, and you can't force them to give you a job. They can fire you for any reason and you can quit for any reason. NONE of that has anything to do with UC, which you can only collect under certain circumstances.

There is no for-Cause requirement in an at-will employment State, thus Government has no authority or right, to abuse that Social Power due to unequal protection of the laws.

 

[WinterBorn]

Only because we allege to be for Capitalism instead of truer socialism. Simply denying and disparaging a person an income under Capitalism can be a form of coercion. The federal Government does it to the States all the time.

Denying and disparaging the income that would otherwise be obtained from equality and equal protection of the laws in question, is a form of coercion, along with insisting on a work ethic from the Age of Iron in modern times.

Your typical word-salad.

Do you advocate being able to demand a job?

 

[WinterBorn]

You have to be unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment State to automatically be eligible for unemployment compensation.

Why would someone not in poverty want to apply for unemployment compensation?

For the money. Since it would take billions in taxes to pay for your pipedream, our taxes will be going up. The $31,200.00 per year would help balance that out.

And why wouldn't anyone apply for your version of unemployment compensation. There is no means testing. You do not have to look for a job. You do not have to show how you left your last job. And you make $31,200 a year. Free money.

 

[WinterBorn]

Oh, there is one other issue with your great plan.

Many of those in poverty use Medicaid for their healthcare needs. $31,200.00 will probably disqualify them in most states. What will they do for healthcare?

And many living in poverty get low cost housing. That would disappear with the new income they have. Now rent will eat most of their paycheck.

 

[danielpalos]

For the money.

We are discussing a minimum wage not a maximum wage. And, why should we capitally care, if it contributes more to the multiplier?

 

[hadit]

lol. Nobody, and I really mean nobody, who understands economics takes right-wingers seriously about economics.

1. You don't understand economics at all, as shown by the ignorance we keep pointing out in your posts.
2. We don't take you seriously.

 

[danielpalos]

Oh, there is one other issue with your great plan.

Many of those in poverty use Medicaid for their healthcare needs. $31,200.00 will probably disqualify them in most states. What will they do for healthcare?

And many living in poverty get low cost housing. That would disappear with the new income they have. Now rent will eat most of their paycheck.

There is a difference between being naturally unemployed and being unemployed for-cause. Even right-wingers should be able to understand that.

 

[hadit]

Eventually, social security would be a duplicate service. However, why bother complaining if some resort to "greed" instead of need, while they are resorting to unemployment compensation (a form of minimum not maximum wage) if they are taxed at a higher rate to ensure the higher multiplier?

IOW, you want a cradle to grave nanny state where someone could literally live off his parents until he became an adult, then get paid this fantasy UC money for his entire adult life, then go on Social Security and exist until he dies, not having contributed anything to the economy his entire life. do you not see how ridiculous that is?

 

[hadit]

An exception to the rule? It would be called welfare since he should have been examined by medical professionals to ensure it was not for health related reasons.

I don't expect a 90 year old to be working to earn a living.

 

[struth]

I am not claiming it is. I am claiming and petitioning before the Court, that equal protection of the laws is a civil right.

oh ok...sure yeah. you can go right ahead...people file lawsuits all the time. You have every right to sue the State if you want.

I am just not sure why you would sue your state, for a Constitutional violation and not take it directly to Federal Court, who has orgininal jurisdiction over those sort of claims, that involve US Constitutional matters

 

[hadit]

I am saying keeping someone out of poverty should be automatic with unemployment compensation.

You do realize that there will ALWAYS be people in poverty, right? What you want to do would bankrupt the country and not achieve your goals. IOW, a farce.

 

[WinterBorn]

We are discussing a minimum wage not a maximum wage. And, why should we capitally care, if it contributes more to the multiplier?

First of all, as has been stated numerous times, your plan will not create a 2.0 multiplier.

Second of all, after raising taxes to pay for the monster outlay of cash, it will be even less.

 

[justoffal]

Will Mainers have the right to take food from others if they think they need it or demand certain religious related food from vendors as a constitutional right? Chalk it up to "be careful what you wish for"?

Hey! Gimme that Big Mac punk! I have a right to it!

 

[hadit]

You have to be unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment State to automatically be eligible for unemployment compensation.

Why would someone not in poverty want to apply for unemployment compensation?

Well, duh, because they could get an extra 30 grand a year for doing nothing. And what you want to do is welfare, not UC.