Making progress, 40% of U.S. now allows carrying a gun without a permit.

[2aguy]

I hope you all lose your temper and shoot someone, better yet let you child or grandchild find your gun and shoot someone. I am sick of you gun freaks.

That was easy.....your true self emerges...a left wing hater who wants innocent people murdered simply because you disagree with them.......that is how people like you filled mass graves for 100 million people since 1917...

No that is what happens to many people who carry and have guns.

You just stated that you hoped our children or grandchildren will shoot someone. You are a sick individual.

They might, better hope your gun is where they can't get to it. I am sure those that loose kids to their guns never forgive themselves, and they shouldn't.

Do you think this man wished he had a gun when this day happened....? His 2 children were raped and murdered....while he could do nothing to stop it.....

Cheshire, Connecticut, home invasion murders - Wikipedia

The Cheshire, Connecticut home invasion murders occurred on July 23, 2007. Jennifer Hawke-Petit and her two daughters were raped and murdered, while her husband, Dr. William Petit, was injured during a home invasion in Cheshire, Connecticut.[1] The Hartford Courant referred to the case as "possibly the most widely publicized crime in the state's history".[2] In 2010, Steven Hayes was convicted of the murders and sentenced to death. His accomplice, Joshua Komisarjevsky, was found guilty on October 13, 2011, and sentenced to death on January 27, 2012.[3] In August 2015, the state of Connecticut abolished the death penalty. Therefore, those sentenced before this date will have their death sentences turned into life sentences.[4][5]

 

[Auld Phart]

yeah it's the age old control freak argument

some toddler picked up gun so we shouldn't let anyone have a gun

There`s no reason to lie here. Have your guns....in your home and don`t let your toddlers play with them. No body here said that we shouldn`t let anyone have a gun.

No one said we should let toddlers play with guns.

If toddlers are shooting themselves or others at the rate of once a week there must be a shitload of irresponsible gun owners that leave their guns lying around like it was a candy bar or a child`s toy. These are only the shootings where someone was killed or wounded. No doubt there are a whole lot of bullets fired by toddlers that go unreported.

weekly?

300+ million firearms in private hands, and you're going off on possibly 52, (your article listed 43), toddlers getting their hands on one and shooting someone.

How many toddler shootings did the UK have last year? We have dozens of shootings every day and most are not by toddlers. How many road rage shootings does Japan have every year and how often do they have family members shooting each other? We`ve had about a half dozen of those in my neck of the woods lately. One was because of a burnt casserole.
Woman accused of killing husband after argument over burnt casserole
He probably bought the gun for protection.

How many toddler shootings did the UK have last year?

why does that matter?

How many did Honduras have? Venezuela, Belize?

 

[2aguy]

Gun Violence Archive

Look carefully at this map. Now take Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Nevada, Montana, Wyoming, Utah Colorado, Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, and North Dakota. Compare the area to that of the South and the Midwest. See the difference in gun deaths? Perhaps what is needed is targeted gun education in those areas. Or maybe even special laws, as they seem to be unable to handle guns safely.

Hey twit...the gunviolence archive is a joke...they lie......

And of course...you don't compare that to the 1,500,000 times a year guns are used to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives.....

9,616 gun murders in 2015 vs. 1,500,000 times a gun is used to stop a violent criminal attack and save lives.....

And as more Americans have bought guns....200 million in the 1990s to 357-400 million in 2016...our gun murder rate went down 49% and our violent crime rate went down 75%.....and our gun accidental death rate went down as well...showing that you don't know what you are talking about.....

your point is not based in truth, facts or accuracy...

Why the "Gun Violence Archive" Is Flawed From the Start - The Truth About Guns

Slate.com has been one of the more vocal proponents for civilian disarmament and infringement on the civil rights of Americans when it comes to firearms ownership. So already, I’m a little skeptical of the effort. Their methodology doesn’t help.

GVA began with the goal to provide a database of incidents of gun violence. To that end we utilize automated queries, manual research through over 1,200 media sources, aggregates, police blotters, police media outlets and other sources daily. Each incident is verified by both initial researchers and secondary validation processes. Links to each incident are included in the incident report to provide further information on each incident for researchers, advocate groups, media and legislative interests.

The front page of their website provides a real-time count (so they say) of deaths (broken out to highlight “children”), injuries, and other evil uses of firearms. Perhaps surprisingly, they include a “Defensive Use” number as well. The purpose is clear: they are trying to make the argument that, on balance, there are far more criminal and tragic uses of guns than defensive uses. But the problem is that their methodology will never accurately reflect the defensive use number.

The issue is that they are depending on media reports and police blotters for their information. While that might seem reasonable to the lay person, the fact of the matter is that the disparity in the reporting of defensive gun uses versus murders and shootings is so great as to make any analysis based on that data impossible. The old admonition “if it bleeds it leads” is as true as it’s ever been, so virtually every shooting and gun-related death gets reported on the news and is reported to the police. But defensive gun uses? Frequently nothing happened. It’s doubtful that there would even be a police report about many of the incidents, let alone a mention in the news.

 

[rightwinger]

Of course it is my business

If I can prevent a suicide I will do it....even if it means taking guns away from people who are suicidal

The Left makes everyone's business their business. The strongest characteristic of the Left is control over others - hence, big government.

That is why we form societies
To look out for others and be stronger as a whole

No.

You do not have the right to tell anyone what to do or what not to do.

That is why we have societies

No.

but regardless of the reason you still do not have the right to tell anyone what choices they should or should not make. It doesn't matter if that choice is to eat Ice Cream every day for breakfast or to drink nothing but vodka all day long or whether or not they choose to die

Of course we do

You do not have a choice to beat your wife, you do not have a choice to steal

 

[2aguy]

There`s no reason to lie here. Have your guns....in your home and don`t let your toddlers play with them. No body here said that we shouldn`t let anyone have a gun.

No one said we should let toddlers play with guns.

If toddlers are shooting themselves or others at the rate of once a week there must be a shitload of irresponsible gun owners that leave their guns lying around like it was a candy bar or a child`s toy. These are only the shootings where someone was killed or wounded. No doubt there are a whole lot of bullets fired by toddlers that go unreported.

weekly?

300+ million firearms in private hands, and you're going off on possibly 52, (your article listed 43), toddlers getting their hands on one and shooting someone.

How many toddler shootings did the UK have last year? We have dozens of shootings every day and most are not by toddlers. How many road rage shootings does Japan have every year and how often do they have family members shooting each other? We`ve had about a half dozen of those in my neck of the woods lately. One was because of a burnt casserole.
Woman accused of killing husband after argument over burnt casserole
He probably bought the gun for protection.

How many toddler shootings did the UK have last year?

why does that matter?

How many did Honduras have? Venezuela, Belize?

yeah it's the age old control freak argument

some toddler picked up gun so we shouldn't let anyone have a gun

There`s no reason to lie here. Have your guns....in your home and don`t let your toddlers play with them. No body here said that we shouldn`t let anyone have a gun.

No one said we should let toddlers play with guns.

If toddlers are shooting themselves or others at the rate of once a week there must be a shitload of irresponsible gun owners that leave their guns lying around like it was a candy bar or a child`s toy. These are only the shootings where someone was killed or wounded. No doubt there are a whole lot of bullets fired by toddlers that go unreported.

weekly?

300+ million firearms in private hands, and you're going off on possibly 52, (your article listed 43), toddlers getting their hands on one and shooting someone.

How many toddler shootings did the UK have last year? We have dozens of shootings every day and most are not by toddlers. How many road rage shootings does Japan have every year and how often do they have family members shooting each other? We`ve had about a half dozen of those in my neck of the woods lately. One was because of a burnt casserole.
Woman accused of killing husband after argument over burnt casserole
He probably bought the gun for protection.

Hey genius......gun crime in the U.K....is going up....not down....after the gun ban and confiscation...and more guns are hitting British streets than ever before......they are about where we were going into the 1960s with their gun violence...the immigrant drug gangs are about to rachet up their gun violence even more.....

Homicides in England and Wales up 14%

The police-recorded crime figures include a 9% rise in knife crime and a 4% rise in gun crime, which are thought to reflect a rise in gang violence largely in London and Manchester.

The rise in gun crime is the first recorded for eight years and includes a 10% rise in London.
The official statisticians say that a 36% rise in sexual offences, including the highest number of rapes since 2003 – at 33,341 – reflect a greater willingness of victims to come forward to report such crimes rather than a real surge in attacks.

from 2008

Firearms: cheap, easy to get and on a street near you

Most buyers are involved with drug dealing, the source said. Some are used to rob other dealers in crimes that go unreported, others are used as protection while a deal is under way. "Someone will have a tool and there is always one guy in a posse willing to use it. They will have one guy who doesn't give a fuck.

"Everyone wants to be a gangster now, mainly the kids. You have five or six in a little crew and one of them will be carrying. They want handguns - shotguns are too big and bulky. The sawn-off doesn't look so good but use a machine gun and you get known as a heavy guy. They have them just to be a chap on the street, to pose. Some of them walk around all day with a .38. It's 16-year-olds at it and it's getting like America, silly as it sounds."

In terms of nationalities, the influx of eastern European criminals has changed the balance of power. "Who's using the guns? The [Jamaican] Yardies' value for life was so minimal that they thought nothing of killing people," said the source. "We don't like them, they have no moral code. But it's the Russians and the Polish and Albanians around now. They are bullies. They want to take over the flesh business. The Russians are cold-hearted fuckers. What they have been doing is following the card boys [who put cards advertising prostitutes in phone booths in central London] and then taking the girls hostage, armed if need be."

Gun crime in Liverpool: Why? What? Where? - CCTV.co.uk

Gang warfare on Liverpool’s streets

A major factor in recent gun crime in Liverpool is that some of the city’s most substantial criminal fraternities have been eradicated, leading to smaller gangs battling in fragmented “turf wars” and tit-for-tat crime sprees.




Gun smuggling also a factor

Clearly the ebb and flow of Liverpool’s gangs is a central theme.

Another key factor in the upturn in Liverpool’s gun crime is that guns are now more readily available than ever before.

The main smuggling route is from eastern European countries such as Albania and Lithuania. Police forces throughout the UK report that they have made significant seizures recently of guns coming in from Franc




triggerpool....


TRIGGERPOOL: Liverpool gets killer nickname after recent surge in gun deaths

There were 36 attacks in the first five months of this year as rivalries spilled over in Speke, Aigburth, Garston, Vauxhall, Kirkdale, Walton, Everton, Bootle and Croxteth.

Mark Hillman was shot dead in April as he walked down a cul-de-sac in Everton. He had earlier been slashed across the face.

In an unconnected attack, a man from Speke was shot in the face, suffering horrific eye injuries.




Anti gun campaign launched after 75 shooting incidents in the last 12 months

The past 12 months have seen gun violence rip through the heart of Liverpool and the surrounding area.

Since January 2016 there has been more than 75 shootings, leading to the deaths of three men – Mark Hillman, Blake Brown and Thomas Baker.

 

[2aguy]

Our toddlers don`t have concealed whatever the hell the gun pussies call it but they sure do like to shoot. They`ve said NO to infringement. Now that`s progress!
People are getting shot by toddlers on a weekly basis this year

The real problem...those toddlers are living in gang homes....where their single teenage mothers are and baby daddies have the gun handy to keep other democrats from killing them...that is the majority of gun accidents with children...yet you don't care about the real cause of those deaths.....moron...

What a surprise. 2an Idiot brings out his sheet and hood.

No...I am not a democrat.....democrats started the klan asswipe.....democrat controlled voting districts have the most gun crime. Why? Because they are filled with single teenage mothers who have, for generations, raised young males without fathers....fathers who would teach them how to be adult men with the ability to control their violent impulses.....decades of single teenage mothers raising young males with only gangs and drug dealers as role models...that is what drives this gun crime.....

And Europe is beginning to feel that problem too....

 

[2aguy]

No, some asshole attacking you is what encourages deadly force.

Spoken ^^^ with the authority of a gun freak. Having a gun in one's possession has an impact on their judgment, it gives some persons dutch courage, and thus some will go looking for trouble (Zimmerman style); go places they know may be dangerous; provoke violence when discretion is called for; or have Walter Mitty fantasies that they will be a hero for killing another person (judge or jury syndrome).

LE weeds out those who may manifest these and other red flags, during the hiring process and for a period of time under the tutelage of their FTO and superior officers. Civilians have no mentors, no use of force policy, are not trained in non lethal use of force methods, the use of a gun on a range; have not been evaluated by experience officers in the field; superior officers during hiring interviews or psychological evals - written and oral - before ever touching a service weapon.

Do you have a single credible shred of evidence to back up this pile of ridiculous bullshit you call a post?

A 32 year career in LE, more than half of that time as a supervisor or manager: five years as supervisor of the domestic violence unit; three years as training manager; three years as manager of Juvenile, three years managing Internal Affairs and doing the recruitment, vetting (back ground investigations) and recommending to the hiring authority those in my judgement should be given a conditional offer of employment, at which time the more expensive items (medical, psychological and 832 PC training at the academy) would be provided.

You weren't a street cop. Being a desk jockey might make working in law enforcement but it isn't the same thing. You're full of shit. Most cops are pro 2nd and like I pointed out shall issue states aren't having the problem AND murder rates are going down while concealed carry laws are liberalized. You were a government drone that lived and still do in an altered state of reality.

Most "street cops" (and their family) would like a head's up, especially when called to a domestic dispute. I had a tape which I played when teaching at the Academy of the murder of two "street cops" responding to such a dispute.

Had they known that the home in which they were responding was occupied by a licensed gun owner, they might not have died on the spot. The tape was the radio broadcast between one of the officers and dispatch, it was a little less than two minutes long but chilled the students and hopefully made them aware that the proliferation of guns put them in harms way.

Food for thought of those who actually think.

All calls with cops involve a gun.....the cops bring their own gun to the situation......and they are trained to expect a gun at all stops......I have actual street cops for friends and family......twit....

 

[Old Rocks]

There`s no reason to lie here. Have your guns....in your home and don`t let your toddlers play with them. No body here said that we shouldn`t let anyone have a gun.

No one said we should let toddlers play with guns.

If toddlers are shooting themselves or others at the rate of once a week there must be a shitload of irresponsible gun owners that leave their guns lying around like it was a candy bar or a child`s toy. These are only the shootings where someone was killed or wounded. No doubt there are a whole lot of bullets fired by toddlers that go unreported.

weekly?

300+ million firearms in private hands, and you're going off on possibly 52, (your article listed 43), toddlers getting their hands on one and shooting someone.

How many toddler shootings did the UK have last year? We have dozens of shootings every day and most are not by toddlers. How many road rage shootings does Japan have every year and how often do they have family members shooting each other? We`ve had about a half dozen of those in my neck of the woods lately. One was because of a burnt casserole.
Woman accused of killing husband after argument over burnt casserole
He probably bought the gun for protection.

Sorry......the "people become killers simply because they have a gun argument " is a lie......90% of murderers have long histories of violence and crime....and are felons .......normal people don't kill over a burnt casserole....the real predictors are not gun ownership...they are drug and alchohol abuse, and past criminal activity and previous histories of violence....

And accidental gun deaths in 2015...of all types......489.....vs. 1,500,000 times guns are used to save lives....in a country of over 320 million people....

And you guys fight life saving gun safety programs in our public schools...that is on you...

Silly ass, do you know what was done in the old west? You had to turn in your guns when you entered Dodge, or for that matter, most of the larger towns, or get arrested. There was a reason for that, just as there is a reason why most people should not be packing in most places.

And, no, I do not fight gun education courses. In fact, I have been involved in them in Venturing Scouting. But the majority of accidental deaths, especially those involving children happen where the gun owner has never had instruction in the basics of handling firearms. And packing guns where alcohol is served is a prime prescription for tragedy.

 

[2aguy]

Of course it is my business

If I can prevent a suicide I will do it....even if it means taking guns away from people who are suicidal

The Left makes everyone's business their business. The strongest characteristic of the Left is control over others - hence, big government.

Tell that to pro lifers.

Pro lifers want to stop a murder.......that isn't getting into anyone else's business unless you consider murder "not our business"

 

[2aguy]

No one said we should let toddlers play with guns.

If toddlers are shooting themselves or others at the rate of once a week there must be a shitload of irresponsible gun owners that leave their guns lying around like it was a candy bar or a child`s toy. These are only the shootings where someone was killed or wounded. No doubt there are a whole lot of bullets fired by toddlers that go unreported.

weekly?

300+ million firearms in private hands, and you're going off on possibly 52, (your article listed 43), toddlers getting their hands on one and shooting someone.

How many toddler shootings did the UK have last year? We have dozens of shootings every day and most are not by toddlers. How many road rage shootings does Japan have every year and how often do they have family members shooting each other? We`ve had about a half dozen of those in my neck of the woods lately. One was because of a burnt casserole.
Woman accused of killing husband after argument over burnt casserole
He probably bought the gun for protection.

Sorry......the "people become killers simply because they have a gun argument " is a lie......90% of murderers have long histories of violence and crime....and are felons .......normal people don't kill over a burnt casserole....the real predictors are not gun ownership...they are drug and alchohol abuse, and past criminal activity and previous histories of violence....

And accidental gun deaths in 2015...of all types......489.....vs. 1,500,000 times guns are used to save lives....in a country of over 320 million people....

And you guys fight life saving gun safety programs in our public schools...that is on you...

Silly ass, do you know what was done in the old west? You had to turn in your guns when you entered Dodge, or for that matter, most of the larger towns, or get arrested. There was a reason for that, just as there is a reason why most people should not be packing in most places.

And, no, I do not fight gun education courses. In fact, I have been involved in them in Venturing Scouting. But the majority of accidental deaths, especially those involving children happen where the gun owner has never had instruction in the basics of handling firearms. And packing guns where alcohol is served is a prime prescription for tragedy.

Moron...you don't know what you are talking about...not a surprise......those towns that had you turn in your guns....it didn't work on actual criminals......they still used their guns...illegally, to shoot people......

Here you go...read up on the actual Tombstone situation and how the criminals actually ignored the gun control laws....killing land wounding the Earps....

Gunfight at the O.K. Corral - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

One of many people who ignored Tombstone gun control....and he was a good guy....

Joyce ordered Holliday removed from the saloon but would not return Holliday's revolver. But Holliday returned carrying a double-action revolver. Milt brandished a pistol and threatened Holliday, but Holliday shot Joyce in the palm, disarming him, and then shot Joyce's business partner William Parker in the big toe

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Boyle later testified he noticed Ike was armed and covered his gun for him. Boyle later said that Ike told him, "'As soon as the Earps and Doc Holliday showed themselves on the street, the ball would open—that they would have to fight'...

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Later in the morning, Ike picked up his rifle and revolver from the West End Corral, where he had deposited his weapons and stabled his wagon and team after entering town. By noon that day, Ike was still drinking and once-again armed in violation of the city ordinance against carrying firearms in the city.

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Tom McLaury's concealed weapon[edit]

Outside the court house where Ike was being fined, Wyatt almost walked into 28 year-old Tom McLaury as the two men were brought up short nose-to-nose. Tom, who had arrived in town the day before, was required by the well-known city ordinance to deposit his pistol when he first arrived in town. When Wyatt demanded, "Are you heeled or not?", McLaury said he was not armed. Wyatt testified that he saw arevolver in plain sight on the right hip of Tom's pants

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Billy and Frank stopped first at the Grand Hotel on Allen Street, and were greeted by Doc Holliday. They learned immediately after of their brothers' beatings by the Earps within the previous two hours. The incidents had generated a lot of talk in town. Angrily, Frank said he would not drink, and he and Billy left the saloon immediately to seek Tom.

By law, both Frank and Billy should have left their firearms at the Grand Hotel. Instead, they remained fully armed.[2]:49[57]:190

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Virgil testified afterward that he thought he saw all four men, Ike Clanton, Billy Clanton, Frank McLaury, and Tom McLaury, buying cartridges.[79] Wyatt said that he saw Billy Clanton and Frank McLaury in Spangenberger's gun and hardware store on 4th Street filling theirgun belts with cartridges


Hmmmmmmmm...doesn't seem like the Tombstone gun control laws worked so far...

Virgil initially avoided a confrontation with the newly arrived Frank McLaury and Billy Clanton, who had not yet deposited their weapons at a hotel or stable as the law required.

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At about 2:30 pm he saw Ike, Frank, Tom, and Billy gathered off Fremont street. Behan attempted to persuade Frank McLaury to give up his weapons, but Frank insisted that he would only give up his guns after City Marshal Virgil Earp and his brothers were disarmed.[81]

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Citizens reported to Virgil on the Cowboys' movements that Ike and Tom had left their livery stable and returned to town while armed, in violation of the city ordinance.


Gun control only works for those who will obey the laws...law abiding citizens....so any gun control will completely fail at disarming criminals and mass shooters.

 

[rightwinger]

But how many times has your insurance policy been found by a toddler and then killed her?

No one drives an insurance policy into a family in a van either but we still allow citizens to get driver's licenses. Bizarre!

Yes, because 30,000 people a year kill themselves with a family van





.

More people die in car accidents than are murdered with guns...and even if you add in accidental gun deaths...more people are still killed by cars...yet we let 16 year olds drive them without adult supervision.......

And guns also save more lives........bill clinton and barak obama state that guns are used 1,500,000 times a year by Americans to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives...and that is just one number from two studies...the other studies on gun self defense show that number to be even higher....

More people die in this country from firearms deaths than car accidents

Cars provide a valuable service to our society. The only purpose of guns is to kill other citizens





.

 

[2aguy]

so what?

How am I as a gun owner and concealed carry permit holder responsible for the behavior of other gun owners?

Did I say you were responsible? Paranoia is a symptom of mental disease so perhaps you shouldn`t be playing with guns either. It`s a national embarrassment to have so many men who are afraid to leave their homes without a gun stuffed in their bras.

yeah it's the age old control freak argument

some toddler picked up gun so we shouldn't let anyone have a gun

There`s no reason to lie here. Have your guns....in your home and don`t let your toddlers play with them. No body here said that we shouldn`t let anyone have a gun.

oh yes they have.

you haven't been posting here every long if you think that

I`ve never seen it but I`ll give you the benefit of the doubt that someone at some point could have said nobody should have a gun. I wouldn`t spend much time worrying about what 1 or 2 people think.

joe131.....the nut job says it all the time...old lady...penelope, care4all.........all say, we shouldn't be allowed to have guns...

 

[Old Rocks]

Our toddlers don`t have concealed whatever the hell the gun pussies call it but they sure do like to shoot. They`ve said NO to infringement. Now that`s progress!
People are getting shot by toddlers on a weekly basis this year

The real problem...those toddlers are living in gang homes....where their single teenage mothers are and baby daddies have the gun handy to keep other democrats from killing them...that is the majority of gun accidents with children...yet you don't care about the real cause of those deaths.....moron...

We have had two children killed by a gun left carelessly loaded and within reach of a small child by their policeman father. In both cases, there were no criminal charges. Until there are laws enforced in such incidents, I am not in favor of the general population being armed to the teeth.

 

[2aguy]

But how many times has your insurance policy been found by a toddler and then killed her?

No one drives an insurance policy into a family in a van either but we still allow citizens to get driver's licenses. Bizarre!

Yes, because 30,000 people a year kill themselves with a family van





.

More people die in car accidents than are murdered with guns...and even if you add in accidental gun deaths...more people are still killed by cars...yet we let 16 year olds drive them without adult supervision.......

And guns also save more lives........bill clinton and barak obama state that guns are used 1,500,000 times a year by Americans to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives...and that is just one number from two studies...the other studies on gun self defense show that number to be even higher....

More people die in this country from firearms deaths than car accidents

Cars provide a valuable service to our society. The only purpose of guns is to kill other citizens

Nope...that is a lie......


Actual car accidental death, vs. gun accidental death by age...from teh CDC...

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

Death by car and gun by age, 1015...

<1.... Car 64, Gun 1

1-4.... Car 332, Gun 25

5-9.... Car 351, Gun 7

10-14.... Car 412, Gun 15

15-19.... Car 2,535, Gun 52

Total Car.... 3,694

Total Gun.... 100


most gun deaths are suicides....

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2015
Gun suicide...

22,018

Non Gun suicide...

22,078
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2014....
Gun suicide....21,334
non gun....21,439

And a detailed look at care deaths vs. gun deaths...

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/01/06/guns-dont-actually-kill-many-americans-cars/

It didn't happen in 2014 because gun deaths didn't rise as quickly as anticipated in the CDC's 10-year average and because car deaths didn't fall as quickly as projected. And the missed convergence doesn't merely delay the inevitable until next year's figures arrive.

Firearm deaths have plateaued over the past three years, while early estimates show traffic fatalities will increase by 8 to 14 percent, the sharpest year-over-year rise in more than six decades. It's possible the lines won't cross for the foreseeable future.

A 137-death difference aside, you still might be tempted to interpret the numbers to mean the likelihood of dying in a motor-vehicle crash is approximately the same as dying at the hands of a gunman. In the abstract, that's correct.


But none of the 33,736 killed in motor-vehicle crashes intended to die when they departed on their morning commutes or stepped off the curb to cross the street. The total number of gun deaths reported, however, includes those who used firearms to commit suicide.

Suicides comprised 71.6 percent of the total number of firearm deaths in 2014. If you remove those 21,334 deaths from the comparison and only examine unintentional deaths, you get a far different idea of your chances of dying in a traffic crash versus at the hands of a gunman.

Evaluate those 33,736 motor-vehicle deaths against the 12,265 non-suicide gunshot deaths – those that include homicides, "legal interventions" (as the CDC calls them), accidental shootings, and undetermined deaths – and it would appear that traffic fatalities, in sheer number, are a much greater blight upon America than non-suicide gun deaths.

That's not what you'd expect, of course.

Traffic deaths get scant attention, usually relegated to the inside pages of a local newspaper unless they're particularly unusual. But our narrow focus on how people die has led us astray from the sheer number of people dying via one method or the other, and as such, distorted our perception and response to the threats.

Terrorism, for example, caused zero deaths on US soil in 2014, according to CDC figures, and only three deaths in the five-year stretch between 2010 and 2014.

Yet the Department of Homeland Security's budget reached $59.9 billion in 2014. TheNational Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the federal agency charged with keeping motorists safe, received $819 million.

Lest you think gun deaths and motor vehicle crashes are vying for the dubious title of top cause of unintentional fatalities in America, that distinction belongs to drug overdoses, which killed a whopping 42,032 Americans in 2014, mostly from prescription pain medications, according to the National Safety Council. "The United States is in the midst of a prescription painkiller overdose epidemic," the CDC said in a recent report.

 

[2aguy]

But how many times has your insurance policy been found by a toddler and then killed her?

No one drives an insurance policy into a family in a van either but we still allow citizens to get driver's licenses. Bizarre!

Yes, because 30,000 people a year kill themselves with a family van





.

More people die in car accidents than are murdered with guns...and even if you add in accidental gun deaths...more people are still killed by cars...yet we let 16 year olds drive them without adult supervision.......

And guns also save more lives........bill clinton and barak obama state that guns are used 1,500,000 times a year by Americans to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives...and that is just one number from two studies...the other studies on gun self defense show that number to be even higher....

More people die in this country from firearms deaths than car accidents

Cars provide a valuable service to our society. The only purpose of guns is to kill other citizens

Car deaths outnumber gun deaths moron........even if you include suicide by gun which doesn't count.

And guns are used 1,500,000 times a year, according to bill clinton and barak obama to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives....each year......and most of the time the gun is never fired.......

 

[2aguy]

Our toddlers don`t have concealed whatever the hell the gun pussies call it but they sure do like to shoot. They`ve said NO to infringement. Now that`s progress!
People are getting shot by toddlers on a weekly basis this year

The real problem...those toddlers are living in gang homes....where their single teenage mothers are and baby daddies have the gun handy to keep other democrats from killing them...that is the majority of gun accidents with children...yet you don't care about the real cause of those deaths.....moron...

We have had two children killed by a gun left carelessly loaded and within reach of a small child by their policeman father. In both cases, there were no criminal charges. Until there are laws enforced in such incidents, I am not in favor of the general population being armed to the teeth.

You are a moron.....

1,500,000 times a year Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack....

in 2015 there were a total of 489 accidental gun deaths......including children....

The truth....

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703


Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69
Total accidental gun death for kids in 2014...48

 

[Iceweasel]

Gun Violence Archive

Look carefully at this map. Now take Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Nevada, Montana, Wyoming, Utah Colorado, Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, and North Dakota. Compare the area to that of the South and the Midwest. See the difference in gun deaths? Perhaps what is needed is targeted gun education in those areas. Or maybe even special laws, as they seem to be unable to handle guns safely.

We handle them just fine. Plus we know guns are not violent nor do they die. Liberals think of them as living entities, that's what scares them.

 

[Old Rocks]

If toddlers are shooting themselves or others at the rate of once a week there must be a shitload of irresponsible gun owners that leave their guns lying around like it was a candy bar or a child`s toy. These are only the shootings where someone was killed or wounded. No doubt there are a whole lot of bullets fired by toddlers that go unreported.

weekly?

300+ million firearms in private hands, and you're going off on possibly 52, (your article listed 43), toddlers getting their hands on one and shooting someone.

How many toddler shootings did the UK have last year? We have dozens of shootings every day and most are not by toddlers. How many road rage shootings does Japan have every year and how often do they have family members shooting each other? We`ve had about a half dozen of those in my neck of the woods lately. One was because of a burnt casserole.
Woman accused of killing husband after argument over burnt casserole
He probably bought the gun for protection.

Sorry......the "people become killers simply because they have a gun argument " is a lie......90% of murderers have long histories of violence and crime....and are felons .......normal people don't kill over a burnt casserole....the real predictors are not gun ownership...they are drug and alchohol abuse, and past criminal activity and previous histories of violence....

And accidental gun deaths in 2015...of all types......489.....vs. 1,500,000 times guns are used to save lives....in a country of over 320 million people....

And you guys fight life saving gun safety programs in our public schools...that is on you...

Silly ass, do you know what was done in the old west? You had to turn in your guns when you entered Dodge, or for that matter, most of the larger towns, or get arrested. There was a reason for that, just as there is a reason why most people should not be packing in most places.

And, no, I do not fight gun education courses. In fact, I have been involved in them in Venturing Scouting. But the majority of accidental deaths, especially those involving children happen where the gun owner has never had instruction in the basics of handling firearms. And packing guns where alcohol is served is a prime prescription for tragedy.

Moron...you don't know what you are talking about...not a surprise......those towns that had you turn in your guns....it didn't work on actual criminals......they still used their guns...illegally, to shoot people......

Here you go...read up on the actual Tombstone situation and how the criminals actually ignored the gun control laws....killing land wounding the Earps....

Gunfight at the O.K. Corral - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

One of many people who ignored Tombstone gun control....and he was a good guy....

Joyce ordered Holliday removed from the saloon but would not return Holliday's revolver. But Holliday returned carrying a double-action revolver. Milt brandished a pistol and threatened Holliday, but Holliday shot Joyce in the palm, disarming him, and then shot Joyce's business partner William Parker in the big toe

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Boyle later testified he noticed Ike was armed and covered his gun for him. Boyle later said that Ike told him, "'As soon as the Earps and Doc Holliday showed themselves on the street, the ball would open—that they would have to fight'...

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Later in the morning, Ike picked up his rifle and revolver from the West End Corral, where he had deposited his weapons and stabled his wagon and team after entering town. By noon that day, Ike was still drinking and once-again armed in violation of the city ordinance against carrying firearms in the city.

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Tom McLaury's concealed weapon[edit]

Outside the court house where Ike was being fined, Wyatt almost walked into 28 year-old Tom McLaury as the two men were brought up short nose-to-nose. Tom, who had arrived in town the day before, was required by the well-known city ordinance to deposit his pistol when he first arrived in town. When Wyatt demanded, "Are you heeled or not?", McLaury said he was not armed. Wyatt testified that he saw arevolver in plain sight on the right hip of Tom's pants

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Billy and Frank stopped first at the Grand Hotel on Allen Street, and were greeted by Doc Holliday. They learned immediately after of their brothers' beatings by the Earps within the previous two hours. The incidents had generated a lot of talk in town. Angrily, Frank said he would not drink, and he and Billy left the saloon immediately to seek Tom.

By law, both Frank and Billy should have left their firearms at the Grand Hotel. Instead, they remained fully armed.[2]:49[57]:190

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Virgil testified afterward that he thought he saw all four men, Ike Clanton, Billy Clanton, Frank McLaury, and Tom McLaury, buying cartridges.[79] Wyatt said that he saw Billy Clanton and Frank McLaury in Spangenberger's gun and hardware store on 4th Street filling theirgun belts with cartridges


Hmmmmmmmm...doesn't seem like the Tombstone gun control laws worked so far...

Virgil initially avoided a confrontation with the newly arrived Frank McLaury and Billy Clanton, who had not yet deposited their weapons at a hotel or stable as the law required.

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At about 2:30 pm he saw Ike, Frank, Tom, and Billy gathered off Fremont street. Behan attempted to persuade Frank McLaury to give up his weapons, but Frank insisted that he would only give up his guns after City Marshal Virgil Earp and his brothers were disarmed.[81]

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Citizens reported to Virgil on the Cowboys' movements that Ike and Tom had left their livery stable and returned to town while armed, in violation of the city ordinance.


Gun control only works for those who will obey the laws...law abiding citizens....so any gun control will completely fail at disarming criminals and mass shooters.

But those people didn't pack after the OK Corral, now, did they.

 

[Old Rocks]

Gun Violence Archive

Look carefully at this map. Now take Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Nevada, Montana, Wyoming, Utah Colorado, Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, and North Dakota. Compare the area to that of the South and the Midwest. See the difference in gun deaths? Perhaps what is needed is targeted gun education in those areas. Or maybe even special laws, as they seem to be unable to handle guns safely.

We handle them just fine. Plus we know guns are not violent nor do they die. Liberals think of them as living entities, that's what scares them.

What a stupid ass you are. I have been a gun owner for longer than you have been alive And I have seen too goddamned many idiots that should never be allowed within 10 feet of a gun.

 

[Iceweasel]

Gun Violence Archive

Look carefully at this map. Now take Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Nevada, Montana, Wyoming, Utah Colorado, Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, and North Dakota. Compare the area to that of the South and the Midwest. See the difference in gun deaths? Perhaps what is needed is targeted gun education in those areas. Or maybe even special laws, as they seem to be unable to handle guns safely.

We handle them just fine. Plus we know guns are not violent nor do they die. Liberals think of them as living entities, that's what scares them.

What a stupid ass you are. I have been a gun owner for longer than you have been alive And I have seen too goddamned many idiots that should never be allowed within 10 feet of a gun.

You speak with great flatulence. I'ds rather keep voting booths out of the hands of incompetents. Go ahead and report your findings on all the horrors of gun ownership in Washington State. Love to hear it.