Making progress, 40% of U.S. now allows carrying a gun without a permit.

[RealDave]

No one drives an insurance policy into a family in a van either but we still allow citizens to get driver's licenses. Bizarre!

Yes, because 30,000 people a year kill themselves with a family van





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More people die in car accidents than are murdered with guns...and even if you add in accidental gun deaths...more people are still killed by cars...yet we let 16 year olds drive them without adult supervision.......

And guns also save more lives........bill clinton and barak obama state that guns are used 1,500,000 times a year by Americans to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives...and that is just one number from two studies...the other studies on gun self defense show that number to be even higher....

More people die in this country from firearms deaths than car accidents

Cars provide a valuable service to our society. The only purpose of guns is to kill other citizens





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Guns also make a nobody feel like a somebody.

As do a lot of things....and yet a gun can make a 130 lb woman with a broken leg able to defend herself from one or more violent criminals.......and that kind of thing happens about 1,500,000 times a year.....

So 1.5 million times a year, a 130 pound woman defends herself with a gun?

What is next, allowing murder.

The murder rate is going down. Don't be so frustrated with reality.

You are calling your orange buddy a liar?

Your black Jesus told you to make an idiot of yourself?

Only a true dumbass Trumper would think "Orange" is a fucking race. Nice try, Mr Racist Fuck.

 

[Penelope]

What is next, allowing murder.

/---- it happens multiple times a day at the abortion clinic. No fake outrage from you.

This has nothing to do with abortion, and you are trying to change the subject. I just can't see why everyone needs to carry a gun with them, and even in bars, grocery stores, why. Why not keep it locked in the car or locked up at home, why is it necessary to carry them all over.

 

[Auld Phart]

What is next, allowing murder.

/---- it happens multiple times a day at the abortion clinic. No fake outrage from you.

This has nothing to do with abortion, and you are trying to change the subject. I just can't see why everyone needs to carry a gun with them, and even in bars, grocery stores, why. Why not keep it locked in the car or locked up at home, why is it necessary to carry them all over.

Why not keep it locked in the car or locked up at home

Because it would be useless if needed in those places.

 

[2aguy]

Yes, because 30,000 people a year kill themselves with a family van





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More people die in car accidents than are murdered with guns...and even if you add in accidental gun deaths...more people are still killed by cars...yet we let 16 year olds drive them without adult supervision.......

And guns also save more lives........bill clinton and barak obama state that guns are used 1,500,000 times a year by Americans to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives...and that is just one number from two studies...the other studies on gun self defense show that number to be even higher....

More people die in this country from firearms deaths than car accidents

Cars provide a valuable service to our society. The only purpose of guns is to kill other citizens





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Guns also make a nobody feel like a somebody.

As do a lot of things....and yet a gun can make a 130 lb woman with a broken leg able to defend herself from one or more violent criminals.......and that kind of thing happens about 1,500,000 times a year.....

So 1.5 million times a year, a 130 pound woman defends herself with a gun?

What is next, allowing murder.

The murder rate is going down. Don't be so frustrated with reality.

You are calling your orange buddy a liar?

Your black Jesus told you to make an idiot of yourself?

Only a true dumbass Trumper would think "Orange" is a fucking race. Nice try, Mr Racist Fuck.

No, dumb ass.....but you know that.....Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack 1,500,000 times a year.......and then, the point...is that a gun allows a 130 lb. woman to defend herself against one or more attackers, wether they are armed or unarmed.....

And you asswipes would prefer she be a victim, instead of a survivor....

 

[2aguy]

What is next, allowing murder.

/---- it happens multiple times a day at the abortion clinic. No fake outrage from you.

This has nothing to do with abortion, and you are trying to change the subject. I just can't see why everyone needs to carry a gun with them, and even in bars, grocery stores, why. Why not keep it locked in the car or locked up at home, why is it necessary to carry them all over.

Because, as many people find out, they never know the day or the time where they will encounter a violent criminal....

I am curious...do you acknowledge that people are victims of violent crime every single day...in every state? Do you understand that they don't know when that attack is going to happen?

And if they keep the weapon in the holster, and simply carry it along with their cell phone....what is the issue?

I have shown, with facts and other data that as more people have carried guns in this country...over 15 million now....the gun murder rate has gone down...by 49%....so whatever you may think about people who carry guns...you are wrong.....

 

[2aguy]

No one drives an insurance policy into a family in a van either but we still allow citizens to get driver's licenses. Bizarre!

Yes, because 30,000 people a year kill themselves with a family van





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More people die in car accidents than are murdered with guns...and even if you add in accidental gun deaths...more people are still killed by cars...yet we let 16 year olds drive them without adult supervision.......

And guns also save more lives........bill clinton and barak obama state that guns are used 1,500,000 times a year by Americans to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives...and that is just one number from two studies...the other studies on gun self defense show that number to be even higher....

More people die in this country from firearms deaths than car accidents

Cars provide a valuable service to our society. The only purpose of guns is to kill other citizens





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Guns also make a nobody feel like a somebody.

Penis extender

Yeah...no.....
Samantha Bonilla

shooting with Soch E.
10 hrs · Encinitas, CA ·
I love it when people say, "Gun owners are compensating for something." Well, yeah. I am compensating for the fact that I am smaller and weaker than most violent criminals...

 

[Iceweasel]

What is next, allowing murder.

The murder rate is going down. Don't be so frustrated with reality.

You are calling your orange buddy a liar?

Your black Jesus told you to make an idiot of yourself?

Racist fuck. You can tell true Trumper because they can't respond without throwing out a racial slur.

Your black Jesus isn't making you a better person. You aren't smart enough to realize the recognition of a race isn't the definition of racism. You're just stupid, intolerant and hateful. That's why you're a liberal. Nor do I care about your opinion of me, as I have pointed out numerous times. You're an Obama turd, nothing more.

 

[Iceweasel]

Yes, because 30,000 people a year kill themselves with a family van





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More people die in car accidents than are murdered with guns...and even if you add in accidental gun deaths...more people are still killed by cars...yet we let 16 year olds drive them without adult supervision.......

And guns also save more lives........bill clinton and barak obama state that guns are used 1,500,000 times a year by Americans to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives...and that is just one number from two studies...the other studies on gun self defense show that number to be even higher....

More people die in this country from firearms deaths than car accidents

Cars provide a valuable service to our society. The only purpose of guns is to kill other citizens





.

Guns also make a nobody feel like a somebody.

As do a lot of things....and yet a gun can make a 130 lb woman with a broken leg able to defend herself from one or more violent criminals.......and that kind of thing happens about 1,500,000 times a year.....

So 1.5 million times a year, a 130 pound woman defends herself with a gun?

What is next, allowing murder.

The murder rate is going down. Don't be so frustrated with reality.

You are calling your orange buddy a liar?

Your black Jesus told you to make an idiot of yourself?

Only a true dumbass Trumper would think "Orange" is a fucking race. Nice try, Mr Racist Fuck.

How did you interpret that as me thinking orange was a race, Mr. Retard?

 

[Pete7469]

If the bed wetters are so concerned about "untrained" people carrying weapons, then make the training mandatory in order to acquire a Diploma or Driver's license.

A quick 1 hour course can cover the safe handling of a handgun by doing little more than discussing how they function and providing non-firing guns to teach people how to safely unload them.

People interested in carry should be encouraged to attend training.

I'm a certified trainer, and I have taught soldiers and civilians how to safely handle weapons as well as win gun fights.

 

[Pete7469]

What is next, allowing murder.

We do..

At abortion clinics.

It's too fucking bad you didn't end up in one of their dumpsters.

 

[Penelope]

Yes, because 30,000 people a year kill themselves with a family van





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More people die in car accidents than are murdered with guns...and even if you add in accidental gun deaths...more people are still killed by cars...yet we let 16 year olds drive them without adult supervision.......

And guns also save more lives........bill clinton and barak obama state that guns are used 1,500,000 times a year by Americans to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives...and that is just one number from two studies...the other studies on gun self defense show that number to be even higher....

More people die in this country from firearms deaths than car accidents

Cars provide a valuable service to our society. The only purpose of guns is to kill other citizens





.

Guns also make a nobody feel like a somebody.

Penis extender

Yeah...no.....
Samantha Bonilla

shooting with Soch E.
10 hrs · Encinitas, CA ·
I love it when people say, "Gun owners are compensating for something." Well, yeah. I am compensating for the fact that I am smaller and weaker than most violent criminals...

She looks like a member of a gang.

 

[Penelope]

What is next, allowing murder.

/---- it happens multiple times a day at the abortion clinic. No fake outrage from you.

This has nothing to do with abortion, and you are trying to change the subject. I just can't see why everyone needs to carry a gun with them, and even in bars, grocery stores, why. Why not keep it locked in the car or locked up at home, why is it necessary to carry them all over.

Why not keep it locked in the car or locked up at home

Because it would be useless if needed in those places.

Right so you are going to shoot someone in a bar , grocery store, restaurant, mall, do you take it to church if you go, is it always on you , loaded???

 

[Iceweasel]

What is next, allowing murder.

/---- it happens multiple times a day at the abortion clinic. No fake outrage from you.

This has nothing to do with abortion, and you are trying to change the subject. I just can't see why everyone needs to carry a gun with them, and even in bars, grocery stores, why. Why not keep it locked in the car or locked up at home, why is it necessary to carry them all over.

Why not keep it locked in the car or locked up at home

Because it would be useless if needed in those places.

Right so you are going to shoot someone in a bar , grocery store, restaurant, mall, do you take it to church if you go, is it always on you , loaded???

Of course not Penny. Only a complete lunatic would have his gun actually LOADED. Who would do that? No, safety first. You carry your sidearm unloaded so you won't be tempted to blow the heads of any children that annoy you but when the time comes, you tell the bad guy to hold up a sec while you feed your weapon.

 

[Pete7469]

Right so you are going to shoot someone in a bar , grocery store, restaurant, mall, do you take it to church if you go, is it always on you , loaded???

You obviously need training.

If you ever find a gun, put the muzzle under your chin and pull the trigger to make sure it isn't loaded.

The rest of the world will be much safer afterwards.

 

[Divine Wind]

I hope you all lose your temper and shoot someone, better yet let you child or grandchild find your gun and shoot someone. I am sick of you gun freaks.

You wish people dead? That's either evil or severely mentally ill.

 

[Iceweasel]

Pennyloafer is 1 cent short of a full pair.

 

[Skull Pilot]

More people die in car accidents than are murdered with guns...and even if you add in accidental gun deaths...more people are still killed by cars...yet we let 16 year olds drive them without adult supervision.......

And guns also save more lives........bill clinton and barak obama state that guns are used 1,500,000 times a year by Americans to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives...and that is just one number from two studies...the other studies on gun self defense show that number to be even higher....

More people die in this country from firearms deaths than car accidents

Cars provide a valuable service to our society. The only purpose of guns is to kill other citizens

Nope...that is a lie......


Actual car accidental death, vs. gun accidental death by age...from teh CDC...

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

Death by car and gun by age, 1015...

<1.... Car 64, Gun 1

1-4.... Car 332, Gun 25

5-9.... Car 351, Gun 7

10-14.... Car 412, Gun 15

15-19.... Car 2,535, Gun 52

Total Car.... 3,694

Total Gun.... 100


most gun deaths are suicides....

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2015
Gun suicide...

22,018

Non Gun suicide...

22,078
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2014....
Gun suicide....21,334
non gun....21,439

And a detailed look at care deaths vs. gun deaths...

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/01/06/guns-dont-actually-kill-many-americans-cars/

It didn't happen in 2014 because gun deaths didn't rise as quickly as anticipated in the CDC's 10-year average and because car deaths didn't fall as quickly as projected. And the missed convergence doesn't merely delay the inevitable until next year's figures arrive.

Firearm deaths have plateaued over the past three years, while early estimates show traffic fatalities will increase by 8 to 14 percent, the sharpest year-over-year rise in more than six decades. It's possible the lines won't cross for the foreseeable future.

A 137-death difference aside, you still might be tempted to interpret the numbers to mean the likelihood of dying in a motor-vehicle crash is approximately the same as dying at the hands of a gunman. In the abstract, that's correct.


But none of the 33,736 killed in motor-vehicle crashes intended to die when they departed on their morning commutes or stepped off the curb to cross the street. The total number of gun deaths reported, however, includes those who used firearms to commit suicide.

Suicides comprised 71.6 percent of the total number of firearm deaths in 2014. If you remove those 21,334 deaths from the comparison and only examine unintentional deaths, you get a far different idea of your chances of dying in a traffic crash versus at the hands of a gunman.

Evaluate those 33,736 motor-vehicle deaths against the 12,265 non-suicide gunshot deaths – those that include homicides, "legal interventions" (as the CDC calls them), accidental shootings, and undetermined deaths – and it would appear that traffic fatalities, in sheer number, are a much greater blight upon America than non-suicide gun deaths.

That's not what you'd expect, of course.

Traffic deaths get scant attention, usually relegated to the inside pages of a local newspaper unless they're particularly unusual. But our narrow focus on how people die has led us astray from the sheer number of people dying via one method or the other, and as such, distorted our perception and response to the threats.

Terrorism, for example, caused zero deaths on US soil in 2014, according to CDC figures, and only three deaths in the five-year stretch between 2010 and 2014.

Yet the Department of Homeland Security's budget reached $59.9 billion in 2014. TheNational Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the federal agency charged with keeping motorists safe, received $819 million.

Lest you think gun deaths and motor vehicle crashes are vying for the dubious title of top cause of unintentional fatalities in America, that distinction belongs to drug overdoses, which killed a whopping 42,032 Americans in 2014, mostly from prescription pain medications, according to the National Safety Council. "The United States is in the midst of a prescription painkiller overdose epidemic," the CDC said in a recent report.

Accidental gun deaths?

We have over 30,000 gun deaths that are "On Purpose"

Something we don't get with cars

Sorry......you don't get to use suicide in your "on purpose" gun deaths because they do not count.......suicide in other countries, with strict to almost total gun control, have higher suicide rates than we do....and our non gun suicide rate out numbered our gun suicide rate two years in a row.......so no...you don't get to lie with your number....

And on top of that.....guns are used to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives , 1,500,000 times a year...according to bill clinton....and backed up by barak obama........

1,500,000 violent crimes stopped and lives saved...vs. 9,616 gun murders......and 70-80% of those victims are actually violent felons killed by other felons...and many of the rest are freinds and family of those criminals....

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2015
Gun suicide...

22,018

Non Gun suicide...

22,078
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2014....
Gun suicide....21,334
non gun....21,439
Tell that to all of these countries that have a higher suicide rate.....and stricter gun controls than we do....

2013:

Suicide rates around Europe

France....24.7
Belgium..28.8
Austria...23.8
Finland..29
Germany..17.9
Ireland...19
Japan...36.2
New Zealand...18.1
Sweden...18.7
Switzerland...24.8
Hungary....40

United States....17.7


Then...you have accidental gun deaths...and since we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s to 357-400 million guns in private hands in 2016.....have gone down...not up.....

Out of 320 million people there were a total of 489 accidental gun deaths........

320 million people..... 489 accidental gun deaths.

vs. over 34,000 accidental car deaths...and we let 16 year olds drive cars without adult supervision...and cars are the leading cause of death of children in this country....

Accidental gun deaths have gone down, not up....

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2015...489

2014.....486
2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824

Then you have actual criminal acts with guns....of gun murder? They too have been going down, not up....so you are wrong again...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense....to 357-400 million guns in private hands and over 15 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2016

--our gun murder rate went down 49%

--our violent crime rate went down 75%


And our gun murder rate...from the FBI....9.616 in 2015



gun murder rate 1997 -2000


1997..... 10,729
1998..... 9,257
1999..... 8,480
2000..... 8,493
2001..... 8,719
2002... 9,369
2003.... 9,638
2004..... 9,385
2005.... 10,158
2006.... 10,225
2007 10,129
2008-- 9,528
2009-- 9,199
2010- 8,874
2011-- 8,653
2012-- 8,897
2013-- 8,454
2014-- 8,312
2015--9,616


And of those 9,616 gun murders....70-80% of those murdered with guns...are actual criminals, murdered by other criminals...and of the remaining victims...many of them are friends and family of known criminals, drug dealers and gang members caught up in the criminal's activities or life style....

So keep using the 30,000 number....it is a lie when you fail to detail the actual way people die by guns.. the truth, facts and reality have no bearing on why you don't like people defending themselves....you hate guns and more than likely people....so you will keep lying.....

Guns kill people because someone at the end of one thinks....I am going to kill you

Cars kill people by accident

neither guns nor cars kill people

people kill people

 

[Skull Pilot]

No one drives an insurance policy into a family in a van either but we still allow citizens to get driver's licenses. Bizarre!

Yes, because 30,000 people a year kill themselves with a family van





.

More people die in car accidents than are murdered with guns...and even if you add in accidental gun deaths...more people are still killed by cars...yet we let 16 year olds drive them without adult supervision.......

And guns also save more lives........bill clinton and barak obama state that guns are used 1,500,000 times a year by Americans to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives...and that is just one number from two studies...the other studies on gun self defense show that number to be even higher....

More people die in this country from firearms deaths than car accidents

Cars provide a valuable service to our society. The only purpose of guns is to kill other citizens





.

Guns also make a nobody feel like a somebody.

Penis extender

immature reply from an immature person

 

[Pete7469]

I hope you all lose your temper and shoot someone, better yet let you child or grandchild find your gun and shoot someone. I am sick of you gun freaks.

You wish people dead? That's either evil or severely mentally ill.

That's how sick they are, and why I encourage their suicides.

That way no humans are harmed.

 

[Skull Pilot]

More people die in car accidents than are murdered with guns...and even if you add in accidental gun deaths...more people are still killed by cars...yet we let 16 year olds drive them without adult supervision.......

And guns also save more lives........bill clinton and barak obama state that guns are used 1,500,000 times a year by Americans to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives...and that is just one number from two studies...the other studies on gun self defense show that number to be even higher....

More people die in this country from firearms deaths than car accidents

Cars provide a valuable service to our society. The only purpose of guns is to kill other citizens





.

Guns also make a nobody feel like a somebody.

Penis extender

Yeah...no.....
Samantha Bonilla

shooting with Soch E.
10 hrs · Encinitas, CA ·
I love it when people say, "Gun owners are compensating for something." Well, yeah. I am compensating for the fact that I am smaller and weaker than most violent criminals...

She looks like a member of a gang.

no she looks hot