Making progress, 40% of U.S. now allows carrying a gun without a permit.

[miketx]

What kind of an idiot carries an unloaded gun?

I always park my car in the driveway with no gas in it. I put gas in it to go to the store, and when i get there, I take the gas back out of it.

 

[2aguy]

It is interesting to think......European and Japanese women....can't defend themselves as these women can....

 

[2aguy]

And here is another woman learning the art of self defense.....

 

[miketx]

It is interesting to think......European and Japanese women....can't defend themselves as these women can....

I was once at a gun range in Fort Worth and there was a really good looking woman there shooting. The range marshall called a cease fire and all the men gravitated toward this gal. Somebody asked her if she came out here very often and she said that no she didn't, that she had just flown in from Chicago. Well, being me, I immediately popped of with, "I'll bet your arms are killing you!"

 

[2aguy]

And even with a 6 shooter.....

 

[Penelope]

More people die in this country from firearms deaths than car accidents

Cars provide a valuable service to our society. The only purpose of guns is to kill other citizens

Nope...that is a lie......


Actual car accidental death, vs. gun accidental death by age...from teh CDC...

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

Death by car and gun by age, 1015...

<1.... Car 64, Gun 1

1-4.... Car 332, Gun 25

5-9.... Car 351, Gun 7

10-14.... Car 412, Gun 15

15-19.... Car 2,535, Gun 52

Total Car.... 3,694

Total Gun.... 100


most gun deaths are suicides....

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2015
Gun suicide...

22,018

Non Gun suicide...

22,078
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2014....
Gun suicide....21,334
non gun....21,439

And a detailed look at care deaths vs. gun deaths...

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/01/06/guns-dont-actually-kill-many-americans-cars/

It didn't happen in 2014 because gun deaths didn't rise as quickly as anticipated in the CDC's 10-year average and because car deaths didn't fall as quickly as projected. And the missed convergence doesn't merely delay the inevitable until next year's figures arrive.

Firearm deaths have plateaued over the past three years, while early estimates show traffic fatalities will increase by 8 to 14 percent, the sharpest year-over-year rise in more than six decades. It's possible the lines won't cross for the foreseeable future.

A 137-death difference aside, you still might be tempted to interpret the numbers to mean the likelihood of dying in a motor-vehicle crash is approximately the same as dying at the hands of a gunman. In the abstract, that's correct.


But none of the 33,736 killed in motor-vehicle crashes intended to die when they departed on their morning commutes or stepped off the curb to cross the street. The total number of gun deaths reported, however, includes those who used firearms to commit suicide.

Suicides comprised 71.6 percent of the total number of firearm deaths in 2014. If you remove those 21,334 deaths from the comparison and only examine unintentional deaths, you get a far different idea of your chances of dying in a traffic crash versus at the hands of a gunman.

Evaluate those 33,736 motor-vehicle deaths against the 12,265 non-suicide gunshot deaths – those that include homicides, "legal interventions" (as the CDC calls them), accidental shootings, and undetermined deaths – and it would appear that traffic fatalities, in sheer number, are a much greater blight upon America than non-suicide gun deaths.

That's not what you'd expect, of course.

Traffic deaths get scant attention, usually relegated to the inside pages of a local newspaper unless they're particularly unusual. But our narrow focus on how people die has led us astray from the sheer number of people dying via one method or the other, and as such, distorted our perception and response to the threats.

Terrorism, for example, caused zero deaths on US soil in 2014, according to CDC figures, and only three deaths in the five-year stretch between 2010 and 2014.

Yet the Department of Homeland Security's budget reached $59.9 billion in 2014. TheNational Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the federal agency charged with keeping motorists safe, received $819 million.

Lest you think gun deaths and motor vehicle crashes are vying for the dubious title of top cause of unintentional fatalities in America, that distinction belongs to drug overdoses, which killed a whopping 42,032 Americans in 2014, mostly from prescription pain medications, according to the National Safety Council. "The United States is in the midst of a prescription painkiller overdose epidemic," the CDC said in a recent report.

Accidental gun deaths?

We have over 30,000 gun deaths that are "On Purpose"

Something we don't get with cars

Sorry......you don't get to use suicide in your "on purpose" gun deaths because they do not count.......suicide in other countries, with strict to almost total gun control, have higher suicide rates than we do....and our non gun suicide rate out numbered our gun suicide rate two years in a row.......so no...you don't get to lie with your number....

And on top of that.....guns are used to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives , 1,500,000 times a year...according to bill clinton....and backed up by barak obama........

1,500,000 violent crimes stopped and lives saved...vs. 9,616 gun murders......and 70-80% of those victims are actually violent felons killed by other felons...and many of the rest are freinds and family of those criminals....

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2015
Gun suicide...

22,018

Non Gun suicide...

22,078
---------

2014....
Gun suicide....21,334
non gun....21,439
Tell that to all of these countries that have a higher suicide rate.....and stricter gun controls than we do....

2013:

Suicide rates around Europe

France....24.7
Belgium..28.8
Austria...23.8
Finland..29
Germany..17.9
Ireland...19
Japan...36.2
New Zealand...18.1
Sweden...18.7
Switzerland...24.8
Hungary....40

United States....17.7


Then...you have accidental gun deaths...and since we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s to 357-400 million guns in private hands in 2016.....have gone down...not up.....

Out of 320 million people there were a total of 489 accidental gun deaths........

320 million people..... 489 accidental gun deaths.

vs. over 34,000 accidental car deaths...and we let 16 year olds drive cars without adult supervision...and cars are the leading cause of death of children in this country....

Accidental gun deaths have gone down, not up....

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2015...489

2014.....486
2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824

Then you have actual criminal acts with guns....of gun murder? They too have been going down, not up....so you are wrong again...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense....to 357-400 million guns in private hands and over 15 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2016

--our gun murder rate went down 49%

--our violent crime rate went down 75%


And our gun murder rate...from the FBI....9.616 in 2015



gun murder rate 1997 -2000


1997..... 10,729
1998..... 9,257
1999..... 8,480
2000..... 8,493
2001..... 8,719
2002... 9,369
2003.... 9,638
2004..... 9,385
2005.... 10,158
2006.... 10,225
2007 10,129
2008-- 9,528
2009-- 9,199
2010- 8,874
2011-- 8,653
2012-- 8,897
2013-- 8,454
2014-- 8,312
2015--9,616


And of those 9,616 gun murders....70-80% of those murdered with guns...are actual criminals, murdered by other criminals...and of the remaining victims...many of them are friends and family of known criminals, drug dealers and gang members caught up in the criminal's activities or life style....

So keep using the 30,000 number....it is a lie when you fail to detail the actual way people die by guns.. the truth, facts and reality have no bearing on why you don't like people defending themselves....you hate guns and more than likely people....so you will keep lying.....

Guns kill people because someone at the end of one thinks....I am going to kill you

Cars kill people by accident

neither guns nor cars kill people

people kill people

bad analogy.

 

[Penelope]

And even with a 6 shooter.....

Even I loved target shooting with the M16, but I do not carry a gun.

 

[2aguy]

And even with a 6 shooter.....

Even I loved target shooting with the M16, but I do not carry a gun.

No one said you have to.....but others make that choice and have the Right to make that choice.....

 

[Penelope]

What is next, allowing murder.

/---- it happens multiple times a day at the abortion clinic. No fake outrage from you.

This has nothing to do with abortion, and you are trying to change the subject. I just can't see why everyone needs to carry a gun with them, and even in bars, grocery stores, why. Why not keep it locked in the car or locked up at home, why is it necessary to carry them all over.

Why not keep it locked in the car or locked up at home

Because it would be useless if needed in those places.

Right so you are going to shoot someone in a bar , grocery store, restaurant, mall, do you take it to church if you go, is it always on you , loaded???

The only reason for a law abiding person to use their gun to shoot someone is to save a life or stop a violent crime...what is it about that simple concept that you just don't understand?

Law abiding citizen; many are till the pull the trigger.

 

[2aguy]

/---- it happens multiple times a day at the abortion clinic. No fake outrage from you.

This has nothing to do with abortion, and you are trying to change the subject. I just can't see why everyone needs to carry a gun with them, and even in bars, grocery stores, why. Why not keep it locked in the car or locked up at home, why is it necessary to carry them all over.

Why not keep it locked in the car or locked up at home

Because it would be useless if needed in those places.

Right so you are going to shoot someone in a bar , grocery store, restaurant, mall, do you take it to church if you go, is it always on you , loaded???

The only reason for a law abiding person to use their gun to shoot someone is to save a life or stop a violent crime...what is it about that simple concept that you just don't understand?

Law abiding citizen; many are till the pull the trigger.

again...90% of those who commit murder are felons with long histories of crime and violence...who cannot legally buy, own or carry a gun......the idea that normal, law abiding people become killers simply because they own or carry a gun is a myth....

 

[Penelope]

And even with a 6 shooter.....

Even I loved target shooting with the M16, but I do not carry a gun.

No one said you have to.....but others make that choice and have the Right to make that choice.....

No you are infringing on my safety, same as a impaired driver.

 

[2aguy]

And even with a 6 shooter.....

Even I loved target shooting with the M16, but I do not carry a gun.

No one said you have to.....but others make that choice and have the Right to make that choice.....

No you are infringing on my safety, same as a impaired driver.

Nope...not even close....the guy in the car is more dangerous than the law abiding gun owner.....

in a country of over 320 million people....

Accidental gun deaths.....each year...

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2015...489

2014.....486
2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824


Accidental car deaths each year...

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC
Total car accidental death....

2015....36,161
2014....33,736
2013....33,804
2012....34,935


So...for 2015.....

Accidental gun.....489
Accidental car....36,161

And that is with over 15 million people carrying guns for self defense....get rid of your car....it is more dangerous than your gun....

 

[Divine Wind]

And even with a 6 shooter.....

Even I loved target shooting with the M16, but I do not carry a gun.

No one said you have to.....but others make that choice and have the Right to make that choice.....

Agreed.

 

[Divine Wind]

Here.....Women with guns....tell us why these women should be disarmed....

It doesn't make sense to render law abiding citizens defenseless.

 

[Divine Wind]

Law abiding citizen; many are till the pull the trigger.

1) Most still are law abiding after defending themselves.

2) Your high school level analogy fits right in with "Marijuana is a gateway drug to heroin" and "drinking a beer is the first step to alcoholism".

3) Why are you so much against the natural right of self-defense?

 

[Cellblock2429]

Slowly, we are taking back the natural right to self defense.......

North Dakota 14th Constitutional Carry State - 40% of US area now allows carrying without a permit - Crime Prevention Research Center

Friday, North Dakota’s Republican Governor Doug Burgum signed legislation making their state the 14th that allows carrying without a concealed handgun permit. The bill had passed the legislature with overwhelming majorities (34 to 13 in the state Senate and 83 to 9 in the state House). North Dakota thus joined New Hampshire in passing Constitutional Carry this year, though it seems unlikely that any more states will pass these laws during the current sessions.

/---- Using Lib logic, the only way to stop drunk driving is to take cars away from sober people. The drunks can keep their cars because they need them to get to work to earn more money to buy more booze.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

What is next, allowing murder.

That's already here.

If you're black, it's called "stand your ground" and the murderer walks.

The problem isn't permits. It's that these Mighty Mouse types are not required to know anything more than where the safety is.

Innocent people die, children die and assholes like the OP celebrate.


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[Luddly Neddite]

I hope you all lose your temper and shoot someone, better yet let you child or grandchild find your gun and shoot someone. I am sick of you gun freaks.

We're here. We're out. And we're proud.

Damn, now I gotta go look at some gun porn.

Well at least this fool admits it.

Why not just buy Viagra?

Then you wouldn't to pretend you're a man.


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[Luddly Neddite]

And even with a 6 shooter.....

Even I loved target shooting with the M16, but I do not carry a gun.

No one said you have to.....but others make that choice and have the Right to make that choice.....

No you are infringing on my safety, same as a impaired driver.

And endangering children.

Obviously, these little sissies will happily step over the bodes of dead babies just so they can pretend to be Real Men.

Real Men protect children.


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[2aguy]

And even with a 6 shooter.....

Even I loved target shooting with the M16, but I do not carry a gun.

No one said you have to.....but others make that choice and have the Right to make that choice.....

No you are infringing on my safety, same as a impaired driver.

And endangering children.

Obviously, these little sissies will happily step over the bodes of dead babies just so they can pretend to be Real Men.

Real Men protect children.


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There are 74.2 million children in the United States....dumb ass.....how many are killed in accidental gun deaths.....

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69
Total accidental gun death for kids in 2014...50
2015...48
2014...50
2013...69
2012...58
2011...74
2010...62
2009...48
2008...62
2007...65
2006...54
2005...75
2004...63
2003...56
2002...60
2001...72
2000...86
1999...88


Using you logic, dumb ass.....we would need to ban all cars...since cars kill more children than guns do......

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

Death by car and gun by age, 1015...

<1.... Car 64, Gun 1

1-4.... Car 332, Gun 25

5-9.... Car 351, Gun 7

10-14.... Car 412, Gun 15

15-19.... Car 2,535, Gun 52

Total Car.... 3,694

Total Gun.... 100