Malaysia Airlines Is To Blame. Not the Russians

[protectionist]

Everybody seems to be quickly blaming the Russians and the Russian-supported Ukranian separatists, for the downing of the Malaysian passenger jet MH17. I disagree. The Russians, the separatists, and the Ukranians are involved in a war, which is really nobody's business but theirs. How would Americans like it if people in Russia said we in America should not rule over the island of Puerto Rico ?... and if Puerto Ricans rebelled, we should not send troops. And that the Russians might send arms to the Puerto rican separatists. We'd probably tell them to mind their own business.

I could understand if Putin was sending troops into Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia, Estonia, and Finland, in something reminiscient of Hitler's blitzkrieg upon Europe. But this is just a matter between 2 countries, which really ought to be nobody's business but theirs.

So what you have is a war combat zone. Well anyone in his right mind knows that is place to stay away from. Everyone but the people in Malaysia Airlines that is, and the dummies at the International Civil Aviation Organization, who the company has stupidly listened to. Malaysia Airlines said: “The usual flight route was earlier declared safe by the International Civil Aviation Organsiation."

Well, if you see somebody climb to the top of the tallest bridge in your town, and jump off, do you do that too ? It should have been common sense to avoid a combat zone, and Malaysia Airlines and the ICAO both are the ones to blame fro being just plain STUPID. Other airlines rerouted their flights months ago when this zone became one of combat (Quantas, China Airlines, Korean Air, Asiana).

Professor Geoff Dell, a Central Queensland University accident investigation and safety specialist, said Malaysia Airlines should not have been flying over Ukraine.

“From as soon as the conflict started they shouldn’t have been going anywhere near it,’’ Prof Dell said. “They should’ve shifted to alternate routes, like all the other airlines seemed to have done.’’

So if anyone wants to blame anyone they should blame the officials at Malaysia Airlines and the International Civil Aviation Organization.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...ukraine-conflict/story-e6frg95x-1226993474860

 

[wavingrl]

US---meaning United States?

from what was posted and I scanned quickly--I never found that point.

of course, in some way--when the dust settles--The US will be culpable in some way.

bullfeathers---No need to go any further ---Putin, Putin, Putin.

How you really deal with such an arrogant individual--insert expletive of choice--beyond me.
Just looking at his face--what would he not say or do---not much. Plenty of others like that.

No--this time I am not taking the magic carpet ride--each little detail revealed and analyzed.

He did it--and will do something else and then something else. Maybe get the lunatic in North Korea to deal with him--all I can think of.

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ok--Malaysian Airlines is to Blame---edit noted.

Probably not---haven't read that much. Blame them if you like. When you move in and take a piece of a country--not much more to say as far as I am concerned. 'That is what they wanted'--no, not all in the Ukraine seem to want to be closer to Russia.

 

[Peach]

Everybody seems to be quickly blaming the Russians and the Russian-supported Ukranian separatists, for the downing of the Malaysian passenger jet MH17. I disagree. The Russians, the separatists, and the Ukranians are involved in a war, which is really nobody's business but theirs. How would Americans like it if people in Russia said we in America should not rule over the island of Puerto Rico ?... and if Puerto Ricans rebelled, we should not send troops. And that the Russians might send arms to the Puerto rican separatists. We'd probably tell them to mind their own business.

I could understand if Putin was sending troops into Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia, Estonia, and Finland, in something reminiscient of Hitler's blitzkrieg upon Europe. But this is just a matter between 2 countries, which really ought to be nobody's business but theirs.

So what you have is a war combat zone. Well anyone in his right mind knows that is place to stay away from. Everyone but the people in Malaysia Airlines that is, and the dummies at the International Civil Aviation Organization, who the company has stupidly listened to. Malaysia Airlines said: “The usual flight route was earlier declared safe by the International Civil Aviation Organsiation."

Well, if you see somebody climb to the top of the tallest bridge in your town, and jump off, do you do that too ? It should have been common sense to avoid a combat zone, and Malaysia Airlines and the ICAO both are the ones to blame fro being just plain STUPID. Other airlines rerouted their flights months ago when this zone became one of combat (Quantas, China Airlines, Korean Air, Asiana).

Professor Geoff Dell, a Central Queensland University accident investigation and safety specialist, said Malaysia Airlines should not have been flying over Ukraine.

“From as soon as the conflict started they shouldn’t have been going anywhere near it,’’ Prof Dell said. “They should’ve shifted to alternate routes, like all the other airlines seemed to have done.’’

So if anyone wants to blame anyone they should blame the officials at Malaysia Airlines and the International Civil Aviation Organization.

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

So airlines must give ROW to terrorists? No dice, nor is Ukraine Russia, it was annexed by the former USSR.

 

[protectionist]

US---meaning United States?

from what was posted and I scanned quickly--I never found that point.

of course, in some way--when the dust settles--The US will be culpable in some way.

bullfeathers---No need to go any further ---Putin, Putin, Putin.

How you really deal with such an arrogant individual--insert expletive of choice--beyond me.
Just looking at his face--what would he not say or do---not much. Plenty of others like that.

No--this time I am not taking the magic carpet ride--each little detail revealed and analyzed.

He did it--and will do something else and then something else. Maybe get the lunatic in North Korea to deal with him--all I can think of.

~~~~~~~
ok--Malaysian Airlines is to Blame---edit noted.

Probably not---haven't read that much. Blame them if you like. When you move in and take a piece of a country--not much more to say as far as I am concerned. 'That is what they wanted'--no, not all in the Ukraine seem to want to be closer to Russia.

Please pardon me for the typo error. The "Us" should be > Is (ie. Malaysia Airlines IS to Blame. Sorry. I sent in a report for it to be fixed. Might take a little time.

 

[hjmick]

Sorry bub, not the fault of the airline.

 

[protectionist]

Everybody seems to be quickly blaming the Russians and the Russian-supported Ukranian separatists, for the downing of the Malaysian passenger jet MH17. I disagree. The Russians, the separatists, and the Ukranians are involved in a war, which is really nobody's business but theirs. How would Americans like it if people in Russia said we in America should not rule over the island of Puerto Rico ?... and if Puerto Ricans rebelled, we should not send troops. And that the Russians might send arms to the Puerto rican separatists. We'd probably tell them to mind their own business.

I could understand if Putin was sending troops into Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia, Estonia, and Finland, in something reminiscient of Hitler's blitzkrieg upon Europe. But this is just a matter between 2 countries, which really ought to be nobody's business but theirs.

So what you have is a war combat zone. Well anyone in his right mind knows that is place to stay away from. Everyone but the people in Malaysia Airlines that is, and the dummies at the International Civil Aviation Organization, who the company has stupidly listened to. Malaysia Airlines said: “The usual flight route was earlier declared safe by the International Civil Aviation Organsiation."

Well, if you see somebody climb to the top of the tallest bridge in your town, and jump off, do you do that too ? It should have been common sense to avoid a combat zone, and Malaysia Airlines and the ICAO both are the ones to blame fro being just plain STUPID. Other airlines rerouted their flights months ago when this zone became one of combat (Quantas, China Airlines, Korean Air, Asiana).

Professor Geoff Dell, a Central Queensland University accident investigation and safety specialist, said Malaysia Airlines should not have been flying over Ukraine.

“From as soon as the conflict started they shouldn’t have been going anywhere near it,’’ Prof Dell said. “They should’ve shifted to alternate routes, like all the other airlines seemed to have done.’’

So if anyone wants to blame anyone they should blame the officials at Malaysia Airlines and the International Civil Aviation Organization.

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

So airlines must give ROW to terrorists? No dice, nor is Ukraine Russia, it was annexed by the former USSR.

Yes. Airlines should avoid terrorists, war zones, natural hazardous zones, and anywhere else their passengers could be put at major risk. Of course. And I don't know if we're talking about terrorists here. I don't see that as having been established, but it wouldn't matter anyway. Yes. Malaysia Airlines is to blame.

 

[Peach]

Sorry bub, not the fault of the airline.

Australia joins the US & UK:

'Russian-Backed Rebels' Appear To Be Behind Malaysia Plane Crash, Australian PM Says

 

[protectionist]

Sorry bub, not the fault of the airline.

Sorry yourself. It IS their fault. You don't fly into war zones. MA should be sued, big time.

 

[protectionist]

Sorry bub, not the fault of the airline.

Australia joins the US & UK:

'Russian-Backed Rebels' Appear To Be Behind Malaysia Plane Crash, Australian PM Says

All that means is that they fired the missle, (and mistook the plane for a Ukranian cargo plane). But they've BEEN firing missles all week long, at Ukranian cargo planes, they suspect are carrying arms to Ukranian troops. Same as what US troops did to Nazi planes in World War II. This is a WAR. Get it ?

In World War II, US battleships fired on US bombers who they mistook for Japanese bombers. They killed dozens of US pilots. For all of you who have never been in the military, this is what happens in war.

 

[Peach]

Sorry bub, not the fault of the airline.

Sorry yourself. It IS their fault. You don't fly into war zones. MA should be sued, big time.

No doubt the airline will be, but civil liability is a separate question. Russia has not declared this a war zone, of course the aggressive forces rarely do. The FAA expanded the no fly zone for US airlines.

 

[martybegan]

Sorry bub, not the fault of the airline.

Sorry yourself. It IS their fault. You don't fly into war zones. MA should be sued, big time.

Multiple airlines use this air corridor. Jesus Christ this is like blaming he fucking rape victim.

 

[dilloduck]

Sorry bub, not the fault of the airline.

Sorry yourself. It IS their fault. You don't fly into war zones. MA should be sued, big time.

Multiple airlines use this air corridor. Jesus Christ this is like blaming he fucking rape victim.

Not anymore they don't. It should have been declared a no fly zone long ago instead of now.

 

[SteadyMercury]

... and children killed in drive-bys are at fault for playing outside in gang territory

 

[Peach]

... and children killed in drive-bys are at fault for playing outside in gang territory

Yes, same logic.

 

[dilloduck]

... and children killed in drive-bys are at fault for playing outside in gang territory

Yes, same logic.

Why would parents allow kids to play outside in a gang territory ?

 

[MaryL]

I don't think so. The area around/above Ukraine was deemed safe to overfly by European aviation officials until the downing of MH17. Despite the downing of aircraft in recent days. Reckless Russian operatives are the cause of this disaster. And the Russians need to be called out on the carpet for this atrocity. The question here is: why do insurgents need sophisticated anti aircraft weapons from Russia to begin with?

 

[Peach]

... and children killed in drive-bys are at fault for playing outside in gang territory

Yes, same logic.

Why would parents allow kids to play outside in a gang territory ?

The boundaries shift, and humans desire homes, and children like to play.

 

[dilloduck]

Yes, same logic.

Why would parents allow kids to play outside in a gang territory ?

The boundaries shift, and humans desire homes, and children like to play.

If the parents are OK with that then they assume the responsibility. I never let my kid play in gang territory nor woud I fly an airplane over a war zone. Common sense.

This is collateral damage.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Everybody seems to be quickly blaming the Russians and the Russian-supported Ukranian separatists, for the downing of the Malaysian passenger jet MH17. I disagree. The Russians, the separatists, and the Ukranians are involved in a war, which is really nobody's business but theirs. How would Americans like it if people in Russia said we in America should not rule over the island of Puerto Rico ?... and if Puerto Ricans rebelled, we should not send troops. And that the Russians might send arms to the Puerto rican separatists. We'd probably tell them to mind their own business.

I could understand if Putin was sending troops into Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia, Estonia, and Finland, in something reminiscient of Hitler's blitzkrieg upon Europe. But this is just a matter between 2 countries, which really ought to be nobody's business but theirs.

So what you have is a war combat zone. Well anyone in his right mind knows that is place to stay away from. Everyone but the people in Malaysia Airlines that is, and the dummies at the International Civil Aviation Organization, who the company has stupidly listened to. Malaysia Airlines said: “The usual flight route was earlier declared safe by the International Civil Aviation Organsiation."

Well, if you see somebody climb to the top of the tallest bridge in your town, and jump off, do you do that too ? It should have been common sense to avoid a combat zone, and Malaysia Airlines and the ICAO both are the ones to blame fro being just plain STUPID. Other airlines rerouted their flights months ago when this zone became one of combat (Quantas, China Airlines, Korean Air, Asiana).

Professor Geoff Dell, a Central Queensland University accident investigation and safety specialist, said Malaysia Airlines should not have been flying over Ukraine.

“From as soon as the conflict started they shouldn’t have been going anywhere near it,’’ Prof Dell said. “They should’ve shifted to alternate routes, like all the other airlines seemed to have done.’’

So if anyone wants to blame anyone they should blame the officials at Malaysia Airlines and the International Civil Aviation Organization.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...ukraine-conflict/story-e6frg95x-1226993474860

Let me guess, you think women are responsible for being raped if they are in the wrong place or wearing the wrong clothes.

Negged for terminal stupidity.

 

[Peach]

Sorry bub, not the fault of the airline.

Australia joins the US & UK:

'Russian-Backed Rebels' Appear To Be Behind Malaysia Plane Crash, Australian PM Says

All that means is that they fired the missle, (and mistook the plane for a Ukranian cargo plane). But they've BEEN firing missles all week long, at Ukranian cargo planes, they suspect are carrying arms to Ukranian troops. Same as what US troops did to Nazi planes in World War II. This is a WAR. Get it ?

In World War II, US battleships fired on US bombers who they mistook for Japanese bombers. They killed dozens of US pilots. For all of you who have never been in the military, this is what happens in war.

Russia had pulled the majority of its troops back from the border. Yes, its war, but whose, and it it the start of a larger one? Thinking of Archduke Ferdinand for some reason............