Malaysia Airlines Is To Blame. Not the Russians

[dilloduck]

Everybody seems to be quickly blaming the Russians and the Russian-supported Ukranian separatists, for the downing of the Malaysian passenger jet MH17. I disagree. The Russians, the separatists, and the Ukranians are involved in a war, which is really nobody's business but theirs. How would Americans like it if people in Russia said we in America should not rule over the island of Puerto Rico ?... and if Puerto Ricans rebelled, we should not send troops. And that the Russians might send arms to the Puerto rican separatists. We'd probably tell them to mind their own business.

I could understand if Putin was sending troops into Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia, Estonia, and Finland, in something reminiscient of Hitler's blitzkrieg upon Europe. But this is just a matter between 2 countries, which really ought to be nobody's business but theirs.

So what you have is a war combat zone. Well anyone in his right mind knows that is place to stay away from. Everyone but the people in Malaysia Airlines that is, and the dummies at the International Civil Aviation Organization, who the company has stupidly listened to. Malaysia Airlines said: “The usual flight route was earlier declared safe by the International Civil Aviation Organsiation."

Well, if you see somebody climb to the top of the tallest bridge in your town, and jump off, do you do that too ? It should have been common sense to avoid a combat zone, and Malaysia Airlines and the ICAO both are the ones to blame fro being just plain STUPID. Other airlines rerouted their flights months ago when this zone became one of combat (Quantas, China Airlines, Korean Air, Asiana).

Professor Geoff Dell, a Central Queensland University accident investigation and safety specialist, said Malaysia Airlines should not have been flying over Ukraine.

“From as soon as the conflict started they shouldn’t have been going anywhere near it,’’ Prof Dell said. “They should’ve shifted to alternate routes, like all the other airlines seemed to have done.’’

So if anyone wants to blame anyone they should blame the officials at Malaysia Airlines and the International Civil Aviation Organization.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...ukraine-conflict/story-e6frg95x-1226993474860

298 human beings died because some of us are still so mind numbingly unevolved we think war is a valid solution to our problems.

All of us bear some respnsibility for not booting politicians who don't resist war with their last breaths out of office.

Some even think politicians will solve everything.

 

[saveliberty]

You'll have to excuse Peach, she fell into a vat of sangria.

 

[Peach]

Bush and one of his loves, Putin:

https://www.bing.com/images/search?...516A07793BB22817A4F97C69E3FE8&selectedIndex=1

Almost as disgusting as his fawning over King Abdullah, AFTER 19 Saudis attacked the US. Bush said 2001 was a "GREAT YEAR".

 

[protectionist]

"the russians are not to blame" is pretty friken stupid in and of itself actually

Upon WHAT do you base that statement ?

The Russians supplied the weapons, they advised and trained the rebels how to use them..anything else?

Yeah. Perhaps you could supply some basis for why the Russians should not be doing those things, which are normal wartime activities. They're wanting to annex Ukraine. So what ? See Post # 120.

What should they do ? Stop the war so a commercial airliner could fly through ? Should they tell their infantry to stop all ground fire, while a soccer team decides to use a battlefield as a soccer field ?

 

[saveliberty]

Unless the Russians engage you at 33,000 feet, no one can reach you.

 

[dilloduck]

You'll have to excuse Peach, she fell into a vat of sangria.

KGB plot I'm sure

 

[saveliberty]

Yeah. Perhaps you could supply some basis for why the Russians should not be doing those things, which are normal wartime activities. They're wanting to annex Ukraine. So what ? See Post #

You ever study world history or does all just seem like random events to you?

 

[Peach]

You'll have to excuse Peach, she fell into a vat of sangria.

Never, I abstain from Cheney juice; despise drunk drivers. Not a drop of liquor or mind altering drugs, except Augmentin.

 

[saveliberty]

You'll have to excuse Peach, she fell into a vat of sangria.

Never, I abstain from Cheney juice; despise drunk drivers. Not a drop of liquor or mind altering drugs, except Augmentin.

You can't get better until you admit the problem.

 

[saveliberty]

Just kidding Peach, could have been an industrial accident right?

 

[protectionist]

And the people that actually shot the plane down, the Russian backed separatist don't have ANYTHING to do with it. That is Odd, because in the world I live in, it's cause and effect. If I shot a plane down, it would be my fault.

Here's some advice. There happens to be a war going on. Folks, don't walk into the middle of it.

 

[saveliberty]

And the people that actually shot the plane down, the Russian backed separatist don't have ANYTHING to do with it. That is Odd, because in the world I live in, it's cause and effect. If I shot a plane down, it would be my fault.

Here's some advice. There happens to be a war going on. Folks, don't walk into the middle of it.

You realize that there are civilian air communication channels and signals given off of commercial airlines right?

 

[protectionist]

I did, here again:

Ukraine Knew of Separatists' Air-Defense Capabilities, Say Officials - WSJ

U.S. Building Case Tying Pro-Russian Separatists To Plane Crash In Ukraine
Malaysian plane shot down in Ukraine: What happened? | Fox 59
Malaysia Airlines Plane Was Hit by Surface-to-Air Missile, U.S. Officials Say - WSJ

I didn't read all 4 of your links yet, but I did read the Fox 59 link which says it was written by Tom Cohen. It also doesn't really say if the missle is fired by people, or automatically by computer. In any case, I don't know who Tom Cohen is, but as far as expertise regarding military hardware, I'm willing to go with a 4 star General (Barry McCaffery), who among other things was Deputy U.S. Representative to NATO; Assistant Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS); and Director of Strategic Plans and Policy, Joint Chiefs of Staff, and is now a military consultant for NBC and MSNBC.

HQ-16 | World Heritage Encyclopedia

Maybe you know of somewhere in that very long link, where it mentions whether the Buks are man-fired or computer-fired (from radar). If so, let's hear it.

 

[protectionist]

Yeah. Perhaps you could supply some basis for why the Russians should not be doing those things, which are normal wartime activities. They're wanting to annex Ukraine. So what ? See Post #

You ever study world history or does all just seem like random events to you?

If you have something to say, say it.

 

[protectionist]

And the people that actually shot the plane down, the Russian backed separatist don't have ANYTHING to do with it. That is Odd, because in the world I live in, it's cause and effect. If I shot a plane down, it would be my fault.

Here's some advice. There happens to be a war going on. Folks, don't walk into the middle of it.

You realize that there are civilian air communication channels and signals given off of commercial airlines right?

Try reading my previous posts which refer to the MSNBC interview with retired General McCaffery (Posts # 58 & 114). You may not have this focused. Or do any of us ?

 

[saveliberty]

Maybe I'm missing something, but the only ground weapon that can reach 33,000 feet in that region is a Russian one. The pro-Russian forces were given access to these weapons and trained in their use. I'm all ears as to how you think any different.

 

[dilloduck]

Maybe I'm missing something, but the only ground weapon that can reach 33,000 feet in that region is a Russian one. The pro-Russian forces were given access to these weapons and trained in their use. I'm all ears as to how you think any different.

I've seen several reports that the separatists basically captured them from the Ukraine but the truth is anyone's guess

 

[saveliberty]

Most surprising is that conspiracy theorists haven't jumped on this too much. Shouldn't this be blamed on the Federal Reserve or something?

 

[protectionist]

Maybe I'm missing something, but the only ground weapon that can reach 33,000 feet in that region is a Russian one. The pro-Russian forces were given access to these weapons and trained in their use. I'm all ears as to how you think any different.

If everything you just said is true, so what ? What's your point ?

 

[percysunshine]

Maybe I'm missing something, but the only ground weapon that can reach 33,000 feet in that region is a Russian one. The pro-Russian forces were given access to these weapons and trained in their use. I'm all ears as to how you think any different.

There is a more fundamental point. The Separatists do not have any military airplanes to shoot down, only the Ukrainians have military airplanes. Guess who pulled the trigger.