Malaysian airliner missing with 239 people on board

[Godboy]

Apparently they now know it climbed to 45,000 feet, which is so high that the air would thin, which could kill the passengers, then it descended to 23,000 feet, then back up to about 30,000 feet. At that point it made its u-turn. That plane is rated with a ceiling of 43,000.

At 45,000 feet, a 777 would be tough to control. Its window for proper speed would be really small. In other words, if 500 mph was the perfect speed for a 777 at 45,000 feet, at 505 mph it would shudder uncontrollably, and at 495 it would stall. So if the pilot took it that high, he was desperate. Maybe someone was trying to enter the cockpit. It seems like they were eventually successful, or maybe the climb to 45,000 feet was designed to kill the passengers, in which case the culprit was already in control of the plane.

 

[Magicknight94]

The Malaysians are bs. Wasting our Vietnameses time and money. :-<

 

[Statistikhengst]

Heard tonight that it elevated to over 45k and at that altitude the oxygen masks would have deployed

Curious

If accurate, I guess that would be one way to incapacitate passengers, if those controlling the plane could turn off oxygen.

Was on Fox's the Kelly file. Only caught a little. Sounds like the plane made a radical climb followed by a radical decent

That sounds radically bad.

 

[Politico]

Apparently they now know it climbed to 45,000 feet, which is so high that the air would thin, which could kill the passengers, then it descended to 23,000 feet, then back up to about 30,000 feet. At that point it made its u-turn. That plane is rated with a ceiling of 43,000.

At 45,000 feet, a 777 would be tough to control. Its window for proper speed would be really small. In other words, if 500 mph was the perfect speed for a 777 at 45,000 feet, at 505 mph it would shudder uncontrollably, and at 495 it would stall. So if the pilot took it that high, he was desperate. Maybe someone was trying to enter the cockpit. It seems like they were eventually successful, or maybe the climb to 45,000 feet was designed to kill the passengers, in which case the culprit was already in control of the plane.

We got it you are a Kelly Files fan. Just because some old guy admitted he could not control a 777 at that altitude means no one could.

 

[Godboy]

Apparently they now know it climbed to 45,000 feet, which is so high that the air would thin, which could kill the passengers, then it descended to 23,000 feet, then back up to about 30,000 feet. At that point it made its u-turn. That plane is rated with a ceiling of 43,000.

At 45,000 feet, a 777 would be tough to control. Its window for proper speed would be really small. In other words, if 500 mph was the perfect speed for a 777 at 45,000 feet, at 505 mph it would shudder uncontrollably, and at 495 it would stall. So if the pilot took it that high, he was desperate. Maybe someone was trying to enter the cockpit. It seems like they were eventually successful, or maybe the climb to 45,000 feet was designed to kill the passengers, in which case the culprit was already in control of the plane.

We got it you are a Kelly Files fan. Just because some old guy admitted he could not control a 777 at that altitude means no one could.

I wasn't saying it couldn't be done. Im saying that its a desperate move, assuming that the maneuvering was intended to stop an intruder from breaking into the cabin.

 

[Geaux4it]

Here is my take. One of the pilots offed the other, shut down the systems, turned it towards no mans land then offed himself. Plane flew pilotless eventually running out of fuel and crashing

-Geaux

 

[Freewill]

Apparently they now know it climbed to 45,000 feet, which is so high that the air would thin, which could kill the passengers, then it descended to 23,000 feet, then back up to about 30,000 feet. At that point it made its u-turn. That plane is rated with a ceiling of 43,000.

At 45,000 feet, a 777 would be tough to control. Its window for proper speed would be really small. In other words, if 500 mph was the perfect speed for a 777 at 45,000 feet, at 505 mph it would shudder uncontrollably, and at 495 it would stall. So if the pilot took it that high, he was desperate. Maybe someone was trying to enter the cockpit. It seems like they were eventually successful, or maybe the climb to 45,000 feet was designed to kill the passengers, in which case the culprit was already in control of the plane.

How do they know this?

Why do they say it flew towards the Indian Ocean then took one of two ways, that seems strange.

 

[TooTall]

A Malaysian government official says investigators have concluded that one of the pilots or someone else with flying experience hijacked the missing Malaysia Airlines jet.

The official, who is involved in the investigation, says no motive has been established, and it is not yet clear where the plane was taken. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to brief the media.

The official said that hijacking was no longer a theory. “It is conclusive.”

Malaysian official says investigators conclude missing jet was hijacked, steered off-course | Star Tribune

I repeat my previous question. Was one of the pilot's a Muslim? If so, that would explain a lot.

 

[percysunshine]

Hmmm if it flew on for 4 or 5 hours longer. and maybe in any direction be it by auto and/or steer, then where would that put it or what would that place it over within the 4 to 5 hour track or path within a 360 Degree radius ? Any old air strips or islands in reach maybe ?

take your pick

Abandoned & Little-Known Airfields: Western Pacific Islands

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the 777 needs give or take 11,000 feet of runway

considering weight temp altitude and humidity

Actually, if it hops, it only needs 3 Aircraft Carriers.

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[Chuckt]

Apparently they now know it climbed to 45,000 feet, which is so high that the air would thin, which could kill the passengers, then it descended to 23,000 feet, then back up to about 30,000 feet. At that point it made its u-turn. That plane is rated with a ceiling of 43,000.

At 45,000 feet, a 777 would be tough to control. Its window for proper speed would be really small. In other words, if 500 mph was the perfect speed for a 777 at 45,000 feet, at 505 mph it would shudder uncontrollably, and at 495 it would stall. So if the pilot took it that high, he was desperate. Maybe someone was trying to enter the cockpit. It seems like they were eventually successful, or maybe the climb to 45,000 feet was designed to kill the passengers, in which case the culprit was already in control of the plane.

I don't believe this scenario.

It is more likely they want to test what the plane can do and repurpose it.
They probably wanted to kill everyone on board and land it somewhere.

 

[Geaux4it]

Climbed to 45K pilots go on O2 then decompress the plane. Maybe thats what happened

-Geaux

 

[percysunshine]

Apparently they now know it climbed to 45,000 feet, which is so high that the air would thin, which could kill the passengers, then it descended to 23,000 feet, then back up to about 30,000 feet. At that point it made its u-turn. That plane is rated with a ceiling of 43,000.

At 45,000 feet, a 777 would be tough to control. Its window for proper speed would be really small. In other words, if 500 mph was the perfect speed for a 777 at 45,000 feet, at 505 mph it would shudder uncontrollably, and at 495 it would stall. So if the pilot took it that high, he was desperate. Maybe someone was trying to enter the cockpit. It seems like they were eventually successful, or maybe the climb to 45,000 feet was designed to kill the passengers, in which case the culprit was already in control of the plane.

Where did you get the 45,000 feet number? I would question the source. If they do not know where it is, the altitude would be more difficult to determine.

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[Chuckt]

Climbed to 45K pilots go on O2 then decompress the plane. Maybe thats what happened

-Geaux

The plane could have landed in Australia.

The prime minister said the search has expanded to points as far north as Kazakhstan and as far south as the South Indian Ocean - a stretch of more than 5,000 miles.

Malaysian Government Repeatedly Declines Help from Interpol in Search for Missing Plane - ABC News

Miles: 3907.38

Distance between Tehran iran and Kuala Lumpur malaysia

The unverified article said while the plane’s transponders were inactive once it disappeared, data sent automatically from the plane’s Rolls Royce engines to a facility on the ground indicated it may have continued for four hours.
This would have taken it up to 4000 kilometres past its last known location.

Malaysia Airlines missing plane: MH370 'vanished', says Malaysia

If it was heading west, it could have reached the border of Pakistan.

Malaysia Airlines missing plane: MH370 'vanished', says Malaysia

https://www.google.com/search?q=bor...j8&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

 

[namvet]

Climbed to 45K pilots go on O2 then decompress the plane. Maybe thats what happened

-Geaux

killed em all. then nosed dive to 26 or 29. they tried this in a 777 sim and the stall alarm went off before they hit 45

 

[namvet]

Latest reports have suggested that the ill-fated Malaysian Airline Flight 370 apparently made several course corrections after getting off the civilian radar.

It is said that the radar signals recorded by the Malaysian military appeared to show that the plane ascending to 45,000 feet and made a sharp turn to the right after vanishing from the radar.

According to news.com.au, the height of 45,000 feet is above the approved altitude limit for a Boeing 777-200.

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[Pop23]

Apparently they now know it climbed to 45,000 feet, which is so high that the air would thin, which could kill the passengers, then it descended to 23,000 feet, then back up to about 30,000 feet. At that point it made its u-turn. That plane is rated with a ceiling of 43,000.

At 45,000 feet, a 777 would be tough to control. Its window for proper speed would be really small. In other words, if 500 mph was the perfect speed for a 777 at 45,000 feet, at 505 mph it would shudder uncontrollably, and at 495 it would stall. So if the pilot took it that high, he was desperate. Maybe someone was trying to enter the cockpit. It seems like they were eventually successful, or maybe the climb to 45,000 feet was designed to kill the passengers, in which case the culprit was already in control of the plane.

Where did you get the 45,000 feet number? I would question the source. If they do not know where it is, the altitude would be more difficult to determine.

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Apparently it came from the Malaysian Military who tracked it longer than the Civilian radar. If I remember right they said it climbed to 45,000 feet, then back down to 23,000 feet.

 

[JimH52]

Climbed to 45K pilots go on O2 then decompress the plane. Maybe thats what happened

-Geaux

That sounds like a possibility. If they stayed at that level for any period of time, then it would have killed all the passengers on the plane. This plane could be somewhere in terrorists hand waiting for the opportunity to use it as a weapon. There are many possibilities right now.

 

[Chuckt]

Climbed to 45K pilots go on O2 then decompress the plane. Maybe thats what happened

-Geaux

That sounds like a possibility. If they stayed at that level for any period of time, then it would have killed all the passengers on the plane. This plane could be somewhere in terrorists hand waiting for the opportunity to use it as a weapon. There are many possibilities right now.

“We have to be careful about our words and conclusions, and examine all the possibilities, but the likelihood that a pilot was involved appears very likely,” said Mr. Xu. “The Boeing 777 is a relatively new and big plane, so it wouldn’t be anyone who could do this, not even someone who has flown smaller passenger planes, even smaller Boeings.”

According to a person who has been briefed on the progress of the investigation, the two “corridors” described by Mr. Najib were derived from calculations made by engineers from the satellite communications company Inmarsat, which were provided to investigators. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity because details of the search operation remain confidential.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/16/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight.html?_r=0

Sounds like the plane did a military move. Terrorists wouldn't know to do this. A country did this.

 

[Freewill]

I have once again cracked this case. It was David Copperfield. I seen him do it once in vegas, although a smaller plane.

 

[Sunshine]

No. The wing span on a triple 7 is so wide that it would wipe out at the first carrier's command "island"

I don't see how a plane that large could land on grass, dirt, or sand.

Landing wouldn't be a problem but they'd probably never get it up again.
Loads of old air bases around, designed for heavy bombers.

That would be my point. I'm sure the wheels would sink on impact and likely flip onto the nose causing major damage. I wouldn't want to be in a plane going 120 mph on landing in sand, dirt, or grass.