Man Cannot Be Suitably Moral or Good without God. Here's why:

[Fort Fun Indiana]

According to God, yes. He doesn't make the distinction, for instance, between a man who has sex with his best friend's wife with his brain or his penis.

Which is immoral and gross. Thought crimes. Add "fascist" to the list of Yahweh's unsavory, immoral qualities.

 

[The Irish Ram]

That's us you are describing.
Add grace to God's qualities. It prevents us from eternal damnation for our fascist immoral, gross behavior...

 

[Faun]

The ONLY way to go to the Father is through the Son.

Most faiths reject that. Who knows why Christians believe they know the way to G-d but others don't?

 

[The Irish Ram]

Because the One in the Bible came back 3 days after He died, to prove it.
Most faiths do reject it, which is why the road to Heaven is a narrow one. It is reserved for those who look like the righteousness of His Son, Jesus, to Him.
He gave everyone the opportunity, which most will reject. The rest are co-heirs with Christ.

 

[Faun]

Because the One in the Bible came back 3 days after He died, to prove it.
Most faiths do reject it, which is why the road to Heaven is a narrow one. It is reserved for those who look like the righteousness of His Son, Jesus, to Him.
He gave everyone the opportunity, which most will reject. The rest are co-heirs with Christ.

So the Bible says, but it was written by people who were fallible. Again, most faiths reject that. It's the height of arrogance to claim you're right but the vast majority on the planet is wrong.

 

[there4eyeM]

The Son of Man is the avenue of connection.

 

[there4eyeM]

So the Bible says, but it was written by people who were fallible. Again, most faiths reject that. It's the height of arrogance to claim you're right but the vast majority on the planet is wrong.

Logically true. Perhaps a bit narrow.
The sense that the universe exists in a context allows for exploring in a non-material direction.
That "sense" may not be universal.

 

[GMCGeneral]

Scripture is replete with the true nature of mankind. Romans 7 talks in detail of the battle between the old vs. new natures. There is zero good in man and everything we try to do under our own power are as "filthy rags" as Isaiah puts it or more accurately, a menstrual cloth. That's how disgusting G-d sees us without the redemptive work of Jesus Christ.

 

[Meriweather]

There is zero good in man and everything we try to do under our own power are as "filthy rags" as Isaiah puts it or more accurately, a menstrual cloth. That's how disgusting G-d sees us without the redemptive work of Jesus Christ.

More accurately, that is how God sees some of the deeds mankind declares righteous. What have we declared 'righteous' that God may see as filthy rags? Abortion comes to mind. The pouring of money into bureaucratic agencies in the guise of helping the homeless. The bureaucrats get nice salaries while the homeless are left with little to help them resolve drug or mental health issues. Castration pharmaceuticals (aka "puberty blockers") for children. Legalization of drugs; refusal to stop drugs and sexual trafficking from crossing our borders.

There is a spark of goodness--the spark of the divine in every man--for we are all made in His image and likeness. The question to ask is which of our actions qualify as 'holy'? Can anyone claim abortion is a holy act; are puberty blockers a holy act?

What we need to remember is that we are meant to be a holy people--and many of us want this for ourselves and our nation. Seldom do we firmly stand up to the unholy and unholy ways. They are, after all, elected officials.

 

[The Irish Ram]

So the Bible says, but it was written by people who were fallible. Again, most faiths reject that. It's the height of arrogance to claim you're right but the vast majority on the planet is wrong.

Not arrogance, just belief in the Word. The Bible was authored by God, penned by 40 men under His direction. People are fallible. And not one can tell me who is going to win the next Kentucky Derby. And yet, I am living in prophecy that was penned thousands of years ago.
Only God knew, that long ago, that man would invent the technology to obliterate all forms of life on earth. A fallible human, who knew nothing deadlier than a crossbow, would never have written something so absurd...

 

[Hollie]

Because the One in the Bible came back 3 days after He died, to prove it.
Most faiths do reject it, which is why the road to Heaven is a narrow one. It is reserved for those who look like the righteousness of His Son, Jesus, to Him.
He gave everyone the opportunity, which most will reject. The rest are co-heirs with Christ.

"dead people becoming undead" is simply legend building that was the result of tales told over time which changed with each retelling.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Scripture is replete with the true nature of mankind. Romans 7 talks in detail of the battle between the old vs. new natures. There is zero good in man and everything we try to do under our own power are as "filthy rags" as Isaiah puts it or more accurately, a menstrual cloth. That's how disgusting G-d sees us without the redemptive work of Jesus Christ.

PROPS for knowing!

And to add to that, that shed blood shows that body will not be producing fruit. Trying to work your way to Heaven is fruitless.
It's a slap in the face to the one who paid the debt, once and for all...

 

[Faun]

Not arrogance, just belief in the Word. The Bible was authored by God, penned by 40 men under His direction. People are fallible. And not one can tell me who is going to win the next Kentucky Derby. And yet, I am living in prophecy that was penned thousands of years ago.
Only God knew, that long ago, that man would invent the technology to obliterate all forms of life on earth. A fallible human, who knew nothing deadlier than a crossbow, would never have written something so absurd...

I have no doubt you believe all that.

 

[The Irish Ram]

"dead people becoming undead" is simply legend building that was the result of tales told over time which changed with each retelling.

That's just because you don't understand the power of the Holy Spirit. Raising the dead is a piece of cake. Your human-ness can't comprehend something beyond human endeavor. We can't comprehend agape love either, but it exists none the less.
Just like you can't see the wind, but you know it's there when a breeze touches your cheek...

 

[The Irish Ram]

I have no doubt you believe all that.

All of it. John didn't know of any way to wipe out life on earth. Or the Gospel being preached worldwide. Or one man leading the world. And before you tell me he was referring to Rome, the one John described is loved by all.

 

[Faun]

All of it.

That's what I said. I feel sorry for you.

 

[The Irish Ram]

That's what I said. I feel sorry for you.

Ahh, honey. You have no idea what coming. And it's eternal. I grieve for you...

 

[Mashmont]

Ahh, honey. You have no idea what coming. And it's eternal. I grieve for you...

Why people wouldn't strive to live their best lives possible is beyond me. It makes things go so much smoother on earth, besides.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Because the One in the Bible came back 3 days after He died, to prove it.
Most faiths do reject it, which is why the road to Heaven is a narrow one. It is reserved for those who look like the righteousness of His Son, Jesus, to Him.
He gave everyone the opportunity, which most will reject. The rest are co-heirs with Christ.

This fails as an appeal to authority fallacy.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Why should I buy into any of this horseshit? My morality is far superior to the Yahweh character's primitive, stunted morality. Hell, a 7 year Old's morality is superior to that of the gross God character in the Bible.