emilynghiem
Constitutionalist / Universalist
- Jan 21, 2010
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My initial thoughts
1. the person who gave the bogus tip should also be held responsible
2. the officers and community should have had an advance agreement and training
on what procedures they are using to go after drug dealers.
So both the officers and the homeowners know the process
and can tell the difference if it is police or not. they would have to agree on procedures for identification
so there is no mistaking the criminals from police or law abiding citizens
3. in practice, in the process of training the community,
any criminals can be weeded out in advance. so this may reduce the necessity of surprise raids
that endanger the lives of both police and residents
4. how is this process following reasonable searches and seizures and due process?
if it is not even constitutionally sound, it puts people in undue danger by skipping steps people agree to follow
thewhole process seemed faulty and dangerous
I would have trouble trying to judge this frm the outside.
I would urge the people involved to work out a complete agreement
how to prevent the need for this, and focus on corrections.
if they heal their relations first, they can us ethat to form a fair
solution on how to deal with the aftermath of what went wrong
this problem cannot be solved by remaining as adversaries
the first step is to get on the same side, then you can solve the problems
and formulate an agreement on what restitution or correction is owed here
whoever slandered or libeled this man if he is not involved with drugs
is equally liable. if he does have involvement with drugs, that should be dealt with
as a separate issue. and this whole mess over what is police procedure should be addressed fully in itself.
1. the person who gave the bogus tip should also be held responsible
2. the officers and community should have had an advance agreement and training
on what procedures they are using to go after drug dealers.
So both the officers and the homeowners know the process
and can tell the difference if it is police or not. they would have to agree on procedures for identification
so there is no mistaking the criminals from police or law abiding citizens
3. in practice, in the process of training the community,
any criminals can be weeded out in advance. so this may reduce the necessity of surprise raids
that endanger the lives of both police and residents
4. how is this process following reasonable searches and seizures and due process?
if it is not even constitutionally sound, it puts people in undue danger by skipping steps people agree to follow
thewhole process seemed faulty and dangerous
I would have trouble trying to judge this frm the outside.
I would urge the people involved to work out a complete agreement
how to prevent the need for this, and focus on corrections.
if they heal their relations first, they can us ethat to form a fair
solution on how to deal with the aftermath of what went wrong
this problem cannot be solved by remaining as adversaries
the first step is to get on the same side, then you can solve the problems
and formulate an agreement on what restitution or correction is owed here
whoever slandered or libeled this man if he is not involved with drugs
is equally liable. if he does have involvement with drugs, that should be dealt with
as a separate issue. and this whole mess over what is police procedure should be addressed fully in itself.
Man Shoots at Intruders Turns Out it was a No-Knock Raid. Now He Faces the Death Penalty The Free Thought Project
On Friday, May 9, 2014, just after 5:30am in Killeen, Texas, Marvin Louis Guy was the target of a no knock raid.
The officers were looking for drugs, yet none were found in the home. There was some questionable paraphernalia, but nothing indicative of drug dealing- or anything damning enough for a reasonable person to feel the need to take an officers life.
Unfortunately the danger of no-knock raids is real. just ask the parents of baby Bou or the family of Detective Dinwiddie.
Detective Dinwiddie was one of the SWAT officers who broke into Guy’s house on May 9th, based on a seemingly bogus informant tip off about drugs being dealt from the home.
Likely alarmed by the men climbing through his windows at 5:30 in the morning, Guy and his wife sought to protect themselves and their property and fired on the intruders- in self defense.
Dinwiddie, along with three other officers were shot while attempting to breach the windows to the home, according to the department’s press release.
“The TRU was beginning to breach the window when the 49 year old male inside, opened fire striking four officers.”
Since the shooting occurred during the break in, a reasonable person would assume they had not yet identified themselves as police officers. How on earth is this not self defense?
Prosecutors are now seeking the death penalty against Guy. He is charged with capital murder in Dinwiddie’s death, as well as three counts of attempted capital murder for firing on the other officers during the shootout, injuring one other officer. Body armor protected others who were hit.
This announcement, given by the prosecutor in open court, comes one day after Governor Rick Perry presented Dinwiddie’s family with the Star of Texas award. This award is given out each year to police and first responders killed or injured in the line of duty, the Killeen Daily Herald reported.
Let’s flash back to December, in Texas, for a moment.
On December 19, also just before 6am, Burleson County Sgt. Adam Sowders, led a team in a no-knock marijuana raid on Henry Goedrich Magee’s mobile home in Somerville.
Also startled by these intruders, Magee opened fire, fearing for the safety of himself and his then pregnant girlfriend.
Read more at Man Shoots at Intruders Turns Out it was a No-Knock Raid. Now He Faces the Death Penalty The Free Thought Project
Thoughts?
And please any authoritarians who want to comment about bowing to police under all circumstances you are excused from this thread. Everyone knows your angle