Mass shooting in France at magazine that published Mohammed cartoons

[idb]

And there are also countries with strict gun control.......that have far higher gun murder rates than the United States....

How do you explain that.....?

I'm not going to try...your point seems to be that gun control makes a place more dangerous.

 

[Sunni Man]

Supporting the terrorists again I see.

Nope......just not a fan of an Imam who supports the terrorist state of Israel. ....

 

[Alex.]

And there are also countries with strict gun control.......that have far higher gun murder rates than the United States....

How do you explain that.....?

I'm not going to try...your point seems to be that gun control makes a place more dangerous.

Gun control is not the issue terrorist control is.

 

[idb]

And there are also countries with strict gun control.......that have far higher gun murder rates than the United States....

How do you explain that.....?

I'm not going to try...your point seems to be that gun control makes a place more dangerous.

Gun control is not the issue terrorist control is.

Exactly

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

And there are also countries with strict gun control.......that have far higher gun murder rates than the United States....

How do you explain that.....?

I'm not going to try...your point seems to be that gun control makes a place more dangerous.

Gun control is not the issue terrorist control is.

what do terrorists actually control except the fear instilled in far too many American right wingers?

 

[Katzndogz]

Because one of the terrorists was so foolish as to drop his identification one suspect is dead. One is in custody. The remaining one will be dealt with any time.

 

[HenryBHough]

We must show those shooters some empathy! After all, they have a grievance and that makes everything OK as we saw in Missouri and Noo Yawk.

 

[theHawk]

They got the shooters:

Authorities identified the three men as Said Kouachi and Cherif Kouachi, both French and in their early 30s, and 18-year-old Hamyd Mourad, whose nationality wasn't immediately clear.

One of the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to publicly discuss the investigation, told The Associated Press that the men were linked to a Yemeni terrorist network. And Cherif Kouachi was convicted in 2008 of terrorism charges for helping funnel fighters to Iraq's insurgency and sentenced to 18 months in prison.

Paris Attack Suspect Dead Two in Custody U.S. Officials Say - NBC News


Muzzies of course. One was caught helping other terrorists before, yet was let loose instead of hanged or left to rot in prison.

 

[Flash]

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So, it suits your purposes to suggest that a shooting incident in a state with gun control proves that gun control doesn't work however, shootings in a state with liberal ownership laws does not mean that lax gun ownership laws makes that state a more dangerous place.
Got it.

The crooks are going to do their bad things no matter what the gun laws are. No gun control law will ever be effective in disarming the bad guys. We saw that today in Paris, didn't we?

The question is do you also disarm the good guys, because at the end of the day they are the only ones that will obey the gun control laws.

Once you disarm the people that would never use a firearm for a crime then you have created potential victims and have taken away the ability of a citizen to defend themselves.

There can be high crime in an area that has lax gun control laws but that is not the norm. For instance, North Dakota with lax gun control laws has about the same population as DC with stringent gun control laws but the violent crime rate in ND is substantially less.

Gun crimes in Florida went down when the state went to a "shall issue" carry permit. Now Florida has about two million concealed weapon permit holders and has fewer gun crimes per capita than it did before the law was passed.

When you take guns away from the law abiding citizens then all you have are potential victims.

Whether a citizen choses to carry a firearm when they can is their own business. If they can and don't and become a victim then that their own fault. However, if the state prevents them from protecting themselves then the state is at fault.

 

[theHawk]

Supporting the terrorists again I see.

Nope......just not a fan of an Imam who supports the terrorist state of Israel. ....

Are these shooters in Paris really Jews pretending to be Muslims?

 

[2aguy]

Now....are those who want gun control happy with what happened as far as guns go?

I mean....not one French citizen used a gun for self defense today........right? Gun control worked today in France....Right? They don't let the average French citizen walk around with pistols....let alone AR-15s...right.....so gun control is a complete success....right?



I know, I know.....let's look past the fact these 3 guys not only got illegal guns in a gun control country......but they were apparently military grade Russian rifles....and also, if reports are accurate, a rocket propelled grenade? so....all together a successful day for supporters of gun control....congratulations on your win today....

Not one law abiding, peaceful, innocent French citizen had a gun on their person today....put one in the win column.....

Presumably your point is that no one gets murdered in states will liberal gun ownership laws.

No.....my point is that France has strict gun control laws....right? They always throw Europe at us as gun control paradise....right? That tell us we don't know what we are talking about when we tell them, if you make guns illegal, the criminals will still get them when they want or need them.......and only law abiding citizens won't have guns......and then the law abiding citizens won't be able to defend themselves against criminals who get guns, knives, clubs, or attack in groups......because a gun would make it possible for the weak, the old, the injured, the out numbered, and the handicapped to actually defend themselves against those very criminals....

And here we have strictly gun controlled France..........and 3 guys on the watch list by the French authorities....not only got illegal guns....they got, apparently, illegal military grade Russian Rifles and a rocket propelled grenade.......in strictly gun controlled France....

And the law abiding French citizens....who complied with the theories of the anti gunners to a "T".......were slaughtered in under 5 minutes.........in a country with strict gun control laws.....that those 12 people were promised would make them safer.......and they willingly gave up their right to self defense.....probably happily since it was a left wing magazine....a hard core left wing magazine.....

Right?

So, it suits your purposes to suggest that a shooting incident in a state with gun control proves that gun control doesn't work however, shootings in a state with liberal ownership laws does not mean that lax gun ownership laws makes that state a more dangerous place.
Got it.

Correct....as shown by the United States...and our gun murder rates going down, not up after more Americans are owning and carrying guns....and shown in Puerto Rico...with strict gun control....and one of the highest gun murder rates in the world.....and the fact that in Canada, Australia, and now France.....three countries praised by anti gunners.....violent criminals still acquired guns and murdered people....that they do it less frequently has more to do with their people not wanting to do it, not their ability to do it.....

 

[idb]

[

So, it suits your purposes to suggest that a shooting incident in a state with gun control proves that gun control doesn't work however, shootings in a state with liberal ownership laws does not mean that lax gun ownership laws makes that state a more dangerous place.
Got it.

The crooks are going to do their bad things no matter what the gun laws are. No gun control law will ever be effective in disarming the bad guys. We saw that today in Paris, didn't we?

The question is do you also disarm the good guys, because at the end of the day they are the only ones that will obey the gun control laws.

Once you disarm the people that would never use a firearm for a crime then you have created potential victims and have taken away the ability of a citizen to defend themselves.

There can be high crime in an area that has lax gun control laws but that is not the norm. For instance, North Dakota with lax gun control laws has about the same population as DC with stringent gun control laws but the violent crime rate in ND is substantially less.

Gun crimes in Florida went down when the state went to a "shall issue" carry permit. Now Florida has about two million concealed weapon permit holders and has fewer gun crimes per capita than it did before the law was passed.

When you take guns away from the law abiding citizens then all you have are potential victims.

Whether a citizen choses to carry a firearm when they can is their own business. If they can and don't and become a victim then that their own fault. However, if the state prevents them from protecting themselves then the state is at fault.

The point made was that the shootings in Paris prove that gun control doesn't work and leaves citizens vulnerable.
It proves nothing of the sort.

 

[Iceweasel]

The point made was that the shootings in Paris prove that gun control doesn't work and leaves citizens vulnerable.
It proves nothing of the sort.

How do you figure? It didn't stop the shootings and no one had a chance to defend themselves. Empty rhetoric proves nothing.

 

[2aguy]

And there are also countries with strict gun control.......that have far higher gun murder rates than the United States....

How do you explain that.....?

I'm not going to try...your point seems to be that gun control makes a place more dangerous.

Gun control is not the issue terrorist control is.

I agree......but why don't anti gunners see that?

 

[idb]

Now....are those who want gun control happy with what happened as far as guns go?

I mean....not one French citizen used a gun for self defense today........right? Gun control worked today in France....Right? They don't let the average French citizen walk around with pistols....let alone AR-15s...right.....so gun control is a complete success....right?



I know, I know.....let's look past the fact these 3 guys not only got illegal guns in a gun control country......but they were apparently military grade Russian rifles....and also, if reports are accurate, a rocket propelled grenade? so....all together a successful day for supporters of gun control....congratulations on your win today....

Not one law abiding, peaceful, innocent French citizen had a gun on their person today....put one in the win column.....

Presumably your point is that no one gets murdered in states will liberal gun ownership laws.

No.....my point is that France has strict gun control laws....right? They always throw Europe at us as gun control paradise....right? That tell us we don't know what we are talking about when we tell them, if you make guns illegal, the criminals will still get them when they want or need them.......and only law abiding citizens won't have guns......and then the law abiding citizens won't be able to defend themselves against criminals who get guns, knives, clubs, or attack in groups......because a gun would make it possible for the weak, the old, the injured, the out numbered, and the handicapped to actually defend themselves against those very criminals....

And here we have strictly gun controlled France..........and 3 guys on the watch list by the French authorities....not only got illegal guns....they got, apparently, illegal military grade Russian Rifles and a rocket propelled grenade.......in strictly gun controlled France....

And the law abiding French citizens....who complied with the theories of the anti gunners to a "T".......were slaughtered in under 5 minutes.........in a country with strict gun control laws.....that those 12 people were promised would make them safer.......and they willingly gave up their right to self defense.....probably happily since it was a left wing magazine....a hard core left wing magazine.....

Right?

So, it suits your purposes to suggest that a shooting incident in a state with gun control proves that gun control doesn't work however, shootings in a state with liberal ownership laws does not mean that lax gun ownership laws makes that state a more dangerous place.
Got it.

Correct....as shown by the United States...and our gun murder rates going down, not up after more Americans are owning and carrying guns....and shown in Puerto Rico...with strict gun control....and one of the highest gun murder rates in the world.....and the fact that in Canada, Australia, and now France.....three countries praised by anti gunners.....violent criminals still acquired guns and murdered people....that they do it less frequently has more to do with their people not wanting to do it, not their ability to do it.....

You're still arguing that shootings in countries with gun control laws proves that gun control laws don't work.
What do shootings in places with loose gun control laws prove?

On the other hand you dismiss the fact of there being less shootings in Canada, Australia and France as simply a cultural phenomenon.
Could it possibly be because of the gun control laws?

 

[2aguy]

[

So, it suits your purposes to suggest that a shooting incident in a state with gun control proves that gun control doesn't work however, shootings in a state with liberal ownership laws does not mean that lax gun ownership laws makes that state a more dangerous place.
Got it.

The crooks are going to do their bad things no matter what the gun laws are. No gun control law will ever be effective in disarming the bad guys. We saw that today in Paris, didn't we?

The question is do you also disarm the good guys, because at the end of the day they are the only ones that will obey the gun control laws.

Once you disarm the people that would never use a firearm for a crime then you have created potential victims and have taken away the ability of a citizen to defend themselves.

There can be high crime in an area that has lax gun control laws but that is not the norm. For instance, North Dakota with lax gun control laws has about the same population as DC with stringent gun control laws but the violent crime rate in ND is substantially less.

Gun crimes in Florida went down when the state went to a "shall issue" carry permit. Now Florida has about two million concealed weapon permit holders and has fewer gun crimes per capita than it did before the law was passed.

When you take guns away from the law abiding citizens then all you have are potential victims.

Whether a citizen choses to carry a firearm when they can is their own business. If they can and don't and become a victim then that their own fault. However, if the state prevents them from protecting themselves then the state is at fault.

The point made was that the shootings in Paris prove that gun control doesn't work and leaves citizens vulnerable.
It proves nothing of the sort.

Hmmmm...it sure left those 12 people vulnerable...as well as all the other people attacked by violent criminals on a daily basis in France....

 

[Iceweasel]

I fell off my bike the other day...if I'd known that was going to happen I would have put a mattress at the very spot it happened.

That's what you get for taking your training wheels off.

 

[idb]

The point made was that the shootings in Paris prove that gun control doesn't work and leaves citizens vulnerable.
It proves nothing of the sort.

How do you figure? It didn't stop the shootings and no one had a chance to defend themselves. Empty rhetoric proves nothing.

It's easy to figure.
The shootings in Paris do not prove that gun control does not work.
Nor does it prove that more guns would prevent all shootings.

 

[Alex.]

And there are also countries with strict gun control.......that have far higher gun murder rates than the United States....

How do you explain that.....?

I'm not going to try...your point seems to be that gun control makes a place more dangerous.

Gun control is not the issue terrorist control is.

what do terrorists actually control except the fear instilled in far too many American right wingers?

death and destruction of innocents and their way of life.

 

[2aguy]

Now....are those who want gun control happy with what happened as far as guns go?

I mean....not one French citizen used a gun for self defense today........right? Gun control worked today in France....Right? They don't let the average French citizen walk around with pistols....let alone AR-15s...right.....so gun control is a complete success....right?



I know, I know.....let's look past the fact these 3 guys not only got illegal guns in a gun control country......but they were apparently military grade Russian rifles....and also, if reports are accurate, a rocket propelled grenade? so....all together a successful day for supporters of gun control....congratulations on your win today....

Not one law abiding, peaceful, innocent French citizen had a gun on their person today....put one in the win column.....

Presumably your point is that no one gets murdered in states will liberal gun ownership laws.

No.....my point is that France has strict gun control laws....right? They always throw Europe at us as gun control paradise....right? That tell us we don't know what we are talking about when we tell them, if you make guns illegal, the criminals will still get them when they want or need them.......and only law abiding citizens won't have guns......and then the law abiding citizens won't be able to defend themselves against criminals who get guns, knives, clubs, or attack in groups......because a gun would make it possible for the weak, the old, the injured, the out numbered, and the handicapped to actually defend themselves against those very criminals....

And here we have strictly gun controlled France..........and 3 guys on the watch list by the French authorities....not only got illegal guns....they got, apparently, illegal military grade Russian Rifles and a rocket propelled grenade.......in strictly gun controlled France....

And the law abiding French citizens....who complied with the theories of the anti gunners to a "T".......were slaughtered in under 5 minutes.........in a country with strict gun control laws.....that those 12 people were promised would make them safer.......and they willingly gave up their right to self defense.....probably happily since it was a left wing magazine....a hard core left wing magazine.....

Right?

So, it suits your purposes to suggest that a shooting incident in a state with gun control proves that gun control doesn't work however, shootings in a state with liberal ownership laws does not mean that lax gun ownership laws makes that state a more dangerous place.
Got it.

Correct....as shown by the United States...and our gun murder rates going down, not up after more Americans are owning and carrying guns....and shown in Puerto Rico...with strict gun control....and one of the highest gun murder rates in the world.....and the fact that in Canada, Australia, and now France.....three countries praised by anti gunners.....violent criminals still acquired guns and murdered people....that they do it less frequently has more to do with their people not wanting to do it, not their ability to do it.....

You're still arguing that shootings in countries with gun control laws proves that gun control laws don't work.
What do shootings in places with loose gun control laws prove?

On the other hand you dismiss the fact of there being less shootings in Canada, Australia and France as simply a cultural phenomenon.
Could it possibly be because of the gun control laws?

No....it isn't because of gun control laws....in recent weeks we have seen that when an evil person wants a gun in those countries, they can and do get them......and they have been immigrants, with looser ties to each of those countries cultures....in the case of Canada and Australia....Also...in other countries with strict gun control laws, there is horrendous gun violence....Mexico, Russia, Puerto Rico.....

Gun laws only affect law abiding citizens.....in states with strict laws and states with lax laws...the difference, in states that law abiding citizens can carry and own guns, the gun crime rate goes down....not up.....and in cities with strict gun control.....gun crime is greater......

In fact...our gun crime rate has gone down faster than Australia's and we have bought more guns, not less.....